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Final feedback and state of the sub. (self.MarriedAtFirstSight)

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Hello all. So after my post about things going forward, I have taken all the suggestions into account and have made changes to both the look of the sub, and the suggestions.

Please note that there is a difference between the Rules and Suggestions.

The Rules: The Rules are absolute. They will not be changed.

We can have disagreements without resorting to name calling. We can talk about the contestants without calling them ugly and being wildly disrespectful. There is one former contestant who has said that they still lurk here, and there is another who I know has visited. Whether that second person has stayed or not, I do not know, but I can't imagine that they enjoyed reading nasty comments and posts about themselves. If you like reading nasty comments and writing nasty comments, please look to the discussions on Facebook and Twitter and I promise you will be fully satisfied.

For the Suggestions, I have taken out the suggestion that there shouldn't be any posts about things in the episode outside of the episode discussion. Despite the fact that I personally would rather have everything inside one post, the arguments for having more posts have won out by majority.

The other three Suggestions I think are good, but if there's any argument against them, I'm still willing to listen to them.

The look:

Personally, I love the way the sub looks. I love the background picture, the header, and the sidebar image. I would also love for things to not be so vanilla. Everything is always the same everywhere, and it sucks up the enjoyment of new things for me. I like that this looks different from anywhere else on reddit with a bold background picture. If were up to me, there would be no background on the text because on my screen it's perfectly legible without them. However, the majority won out again, and I added the background to the text. Hopefully that has resolved all visibility issues. If not, please let me know. As much as I am satisfied with the look, I am still willing to change it, if it needs to be changed.

Someone accused me of having a bad attitude. If you feel that my attitude is in anyway bad, I apologize and hope that we can resolve any issues that you may have. The only thing that I refuse to change is the rules.

Edit: The background image is not of contestants, neither is the banner image, and neither is the couple who now appear next to self posts. However, they are all from the official MaFS hompage

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[–]sean_macktruck 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There are subs that are 10-20x larger that would (figuratively) kill to have a mod that is not only this involved in the sub, but who listens and responds to the users suggestions. Ocean and his weekly threads are a huge reason this sub has any activity or discussion at all.

I'll say this to anyone who doesn't like what's going on. You can go and start another MAFS sub, use the default style, type "be nice" in the sidebar, never do any mod tasks, and you'll have exactly what we had here a week ago. The reality is that even small subs need semi-active mods to deal with spam (which this sub had last season, I feel like that specific post took months to be addressed).

On to the actual rules. I think they're fine. As for the background, I use mobile almost exclusively so it doesn't affect me. From the screenshots you posted a few days ago I think it looked fine, and it sounds like you made changes so I'll assume it's fine.

However, if I get on a computer and decide I don't like it, I have a feeling that if I list detailed issues with it, and maybe suggest edits, you might listen and try to play around with it (crazy right!?)

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you for the kind words, they are much appreciated.

How do banners generally look on the mobile site? I was thinking of adding the banner to mobile but I don't know if they're obtrusive on the smaller screens. I don't have a phone only use a tablet so I don't know how the banner would affect the view.

[–]I_am_really_shocked 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if anyone ever answered this, but I use the Reddit is fun app on a tablet almost exclusively. I don't know if this app has the bells and whistles or if there is a switch I haven't thrown, but I see absolutely no change at all. I'm strictly black and white text, no background picture, nothing. I am going to have to fire up the laptop just to see what the hub bub is all about.

[–]sean_macktruck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Along the lines of u/I_am_really_shocked I use the Relay for Reddit mobile app, so I only see text as it's formatted in the app.

Also, not that I know anything about formatting a sub page, but r/minnesotatwins has links on the sidebar that can convert the page to a "classic theme" and the "target field theme". I'm not really sure how it's done, or if you'd even want to go through the trouble, but it can serve as a one-click alternative to get different layouts.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! But I kind of hate you now lol. Now I'm going to have to tinker around to do this. It doesn't seem to hard, but I guess we'll see in an hour or so.

Okay, I figured it out. Thanks again!

[–]Erinnerungen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lovely post, Sean. Agree completely.

[–]-PurpleHaze 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Personally, I love the way the sub looks. I love the background picture

No one else does. It makes it impossible to see anything.

I have no problem not posting here anymore because of this shitty background. It hurts my eyes way too much. It's super shitty.

[–]nicolekrantz 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Agreed. I won't be posting here because of the attitude of certain mods 🙄 pushed me right out the door

[–]Erinnerungen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It obviously didn't, because you're still posting. Please be less dramatic and reactionary. The regular posters love to have a chat about the show, and welcome people to join in, if they are game for a decent discussion.

[–]nicolekrantz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Dude leave me out of your shitty sub and quit bringing this back to my inbox. I've seen you all over this place making dumb comments and I don't need yours 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼

[–]Erinnerungen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

You're an abusive person by nature it seems. Probably for the best that you don't post here, if that's your character.

[–]nicolekrantz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You actually don't know me so go off somewhere else with that. Way to judge people you don't even know 🙄

[–]Erinnerungen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You are being judged on your negative, unkind posts. Take responsibility for your behaviour. We need less unkind behaviour on internet forums. You are part of the problem with your current posting style. You owe Ocean an apology.

[–]nicolekrantz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ha! You're funny. Thanks for the laugh. While I have plenty of ammunition against you I will just keep my comments to myself. I will say- you realllllllly need a life outside of Reddit sweetheart 😘😘 QUIT COMMENTING ON THIS I HAVE ZERO DESIRE TO BE HERE cluck cluck little hen 🐔

[–]Erinnerungen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.

[–]nicolekrantz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're a fucking idiot clearly

[–]-PurpleHaze 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOLOL

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are only two mods here, so there's no need to speak broadly. If you show me where I've gotten a bad attitude with you I will gladly apologize and try to make it right. This is the second time I am asking you this, maybe this time you will show me?

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (32子コメント)

If there is something you are honestly having trouble viewing, I'm willing to listen, but your language make it seem that you are just being disagreeable for disagreement's sake.

This is actually the second time I am asking that you let me know what it is you are having difficulty viewing. You didn't reply with specifics last time, maybe this time you will?

[–]swingline40 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

This might be a dumb question, but do you see it the same as we do? Or does it look different on your screen? Just curious if something is lost in translation.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've looked at with two different accounts, two different devices, with RES, without RES, and across three different browsers. I've had to have seen it the same as everyone else at this point.

Edit: To my eyes it was viewable without the background on the text, with the background on the text, I can't see how it isn't readable.

[–]swingline40 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Got it. Just curious. My personal feedback is that the background image of the random couple makes everything hard to read. I also find the red font on light blue background and the bright blue font on light blue background hard to read. That's my two cents!

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'll change the text colors, but what about the image makes the words hard to read? For me, the background lifts the words off of the image.

[–]swingline40 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think there are just a lot of different colors going on, so when on top of the image it just looks really busy and makes it hard to read. It definitely might just be a matter of preference! Feel free to ignore.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, I appreciate you giving specifics. You are also not the only person apparently. I don't know if my eyes just work differently or something, but I'm not seeing any issues. All the text is black and white now, so hopefully that helps.

[–]swingline40 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The black and white text plus the darker background image looks much better!!

[–]Erinnerungen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lovely posts, Swing. We can all learn from the kind way you give feedback.

[–]-PurpleHaze 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (23子コメント)

It just fucking ugly and horrible!!!

The ENTIRE sub was FINE till you came along and fucked it up completely. Put a banner, fine, but to put a background and fuck up the entire sub and make it IMPOSSIBLE to see is just fucking stupid. And refusing to do ANYTHING about it. The colors clash. Leave the background white as it was before. It doesn't NEED a tacky, annoying background. I'm not the ONLY one with issues seeing anything either.

There, happy??

[–]I_am_really_shocked 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think you need some of what Derek is smoking.

[–]-PurpleHaze 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

She asked. :)

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

First, I'm a guy. Second, calm down. Third, I've changed it again to make it more readable.

If the background is really that annoying to you, download the RES extension for your browser and disable the subreddit style. I confess that the background image is more important to me than others, but I took that into account and darkened it.

Also, you really need to calm down.

[–]-PurpleHaze 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (13子コメント)

It still looks like shit.

I'm perfectly calm. You asked, I told.

Edit:

That being said, NO one else likes the stupid background. If you're "so concerned" about what other posters think about the new bullshit - at least listen to them and DO something about it.

[–]Erinnerungen 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Again, stop abusing the poster. Your behaviour is a disgrace right now.

[–]-PurpleHaze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Neat - It's not abuse either. :)

[–]Erinnerungen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Post all the emoticons you like. be as defiant about your behaviour as you like. There are far too many cowards posting abuse hiding behind screens. You wouldn't dream of addressing someone the way you've addressed Ocean in real life. Your language is offensive, as is your tone. You don't seem able to convey thoughts, without posting inflammatory content. How sad.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I did listen to them... but I suppose you can't read the other comments in this thread, only mine.

[–]-PurpleHaze 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're right. I can't read shit with this stupid background. I have to go to my inbox to reply. ;)

[–]Erinnerungen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Purple, you are out of order here. On what planet would you imagine it's ok to address a stranger the way you have? I can't imagine you'd behave this way in real life - why do you imagine it's ok from the shelter of your computer? Moderate your tone and words please. You're being abusive to a fellow human being.

[–]-PurpleHaze 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, I'm really not. :)

[–]Erinnerungen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Again, post all the emoticons you like. It doesn't change that you are aggressive and a bully on the internet. You choose to offend and hurt, rather than participate in civil discussion. Unacceptable. You owe Ocean an apology.

[–]-PurpleHaze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

HAH. I don't owe him shit. Who the fuck are you to demand that?

The fucking internet police? Haha. Get a grip.

[–]Erinnerungen -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a childish remark. Can't you type in a civil fashion? Why on earth would you swear at me? You don't know me. I can only assume you were dragged up, rather than raised by people with a moral compass.

[–]-PurpleHaze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha. Get out to the real world. You're ridiculous.

[–]Erinnerungen 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks very much for darkening the background image, Ocean. Everything's much better for me now. The only lasting thing which I notice is making things tricky to read is the text on the sticky threads (the threads that are staying at the top of the list - this is an example of such a thread). On sticky threads, the text still appears to have an effect on it.

Am fine with the rest of the changes, and welcome moderation, because we haven't had any, and it's needed from time to time. The names and pic's of the contestants and experts are a lovely addition to the sidebar. The background image is also a lovely addition, now it's darkened.

Lastly, everyone reacts badly to change in itself, and that's why some people are going so over the top with their "I'll never post here again!" comments. I posted on the other thread that we all need to let the dust settle for a few weeks. Then people will see how firmly you are cracking the whip and whether doom has descended upon us. I love your posts as a fellow poster here, and I appreciate you responding as a moderator to my posts asking for changes now, whether you make the changes or not.

The job of an unpaid mod is a thankless one. Keep your chin up. Wishing you a lovely week ahead.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, I took the effect off of the sticky posts. To be honest, it's still on the visited links, but I guess it's subtle enough on the white text to not be a bother?

As for cracking the whip, I won't be doing that unless someone goes really overboard with vitriol. In most case I will just give a warning.

Thanks again, and a good week to you too. :)

[–]Erinnerungen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funnily enough, I'm not expecting doom really! "Cracking the whip" and "doom" were intended to make you smile. I was being facetious.

I'm out-and-about again, so cannot check links right now, but will do later. Thanks for all your help.

[–]Erinnerungen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just letting you know that I don't see any distinction between threads I have read and not read (I never saw anything different in this vain, even prior to changes to the appearance).

The change to the sticky thread titles is great - thanks.

[–]DragonMommy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hi Ocean!

I think you've done a great job of listening to everyone's feedback and making changes. The text colors with the darkened background is much easier to read.

You're not going to please everyone but you've made a good effort to make changes that can please yourself and the users.

[–]Erinnerungen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lovely post, Dragon. Agree completely.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you. Going forward, feel free to voice any concerns you may have, and please continue to join in the discussion.

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[–]Erinnerungen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love this bot, but why don"t we see more of it? There are loads of polite posts.

[–]I_am_really_shocked 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As long as we can talk about the show, I am pretty much okay with almost any guidelines you want to come up with. Unless I can't pop in a four letter word now and then; I would just have to take my demerits. I can't speak to the appearance. I'm on mobile 99.5% of the time, so I haven't seen any change visually.

Relax and put some WD40 on the door so the noise doesn't interfere with discussion when it swings shut after those that can't be civil leave. And remember, better you than me.

[–]Erinnerungen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lovely post, Shocked. Agree completely.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been thanking you a lot lately, lol, but thanks again. I meant to reply earlier but was tinkering with style then had to do some real life stuff.

[–]swingline40 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but is it possible to post the episode threads before the episode airs (earlier that day) in case anyone wants to discuss the episode in real time? Then you can always edit it with your summary after? There might not be anyone else interested in this, but I figured I would at least mention it.

[–]OceanCarlisle[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There might not be anyone else interested in this, but I figured I would at least mention it.

I'll try it for tomorrow's episode and see how it goes. I personally watch it 30-60 after it starts so I can fast forward through the commercials, but if people are active during the episode, we'll keep it going.