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Anyone here think Pizzagate has more circumstantial evidence than the Trump/Russia story? (self.WayOfTheBern)

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[–]TotesMessenger 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]E46_M3 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow this thread is downvoted a ton

[–]gametheory94[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah it seems people don't like to have civil discussions about important issues and instead downvote shit they know nothing about.

Either that or they're paid trolls

[–]turtlebait2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Important Issues.

Pizzagate.

Pick one.

[–]gametheory94[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since when is suspected trafficking and child sex abuse not an important issue? I just don't get how people can joke about it

[–]8headeddragonQuestion the Narrative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not only does this sub have a lot of strange attention when it comes to posts about these topics, it doesn't help that just as bad as unreasonable conspiracy theorists who can't have their belief disproven are the conspiracy deniers who have a religious resolve that conspiracies are never, ever true. Two sides of the same coin, people who are entrenched in their stance on CTs to such an extent that they will never consider the possibilities. S4P for instance does not even want to hear a certain panda-loving DNC staffer's name, or else the downvoting, hostility, and mod removal will follow.

[–]LarkspurCA 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, absolutely...The 2 most compelling pieces of circumstantial evidence that support the pizzagate theory are:

1.) all of the pedophile code language in the Podesta Wikileaks

2.) as others in this thread have pointed out, the MSM doth protested too much...Never, ever have they all banded together to crush a story with the ferocity that they employed against pizzagate...

Unfortunately, as I have learned in the past 8 months, there is so much pedophilia, including child porn on computers, at all levels of government...here is just one story, this one from last week...it's absolutely horrifying:

"De Blaiso Employee Arrested for Child Pornography"

http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/de-blasio-staffer-arrested-for-child-pornography/

A leading young Democrat and de Blasio administration employee has a secret taste for sickening kiddie porn that involves baby girls as young as 6 months old, court papers revealed Friday.

Jacob Schwartz, 29, was busted for allegedly keeping more than 3,000 disgusting images and 89 videos on a laptop after downloading the filth from the internet.

The illegal smut shows “young nude females between the approximate ages of 6 months and 16, engaging in sexual conduct… on an adult male,” court papers say.A leading young Democrat and de Blasio administration employee has a secret taste for sickening kiddie porn that involves baby girls as young as 6 months old, court papers revealed Friday.

Who are all of these children, and who is rescuing them and protecting them?

[–]8headeddragonQuestion the Narrative 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear that is one of the big jokes about the way the TLAs handle this kind of stuff. As eager as they are to come down hard on the low hanging fruit (i.e. random weirdos caught downloading or sharing the content) they apparently don't do nearly as much about the people actually producing the content.

[–]8headeddragonQuestion the Narrative 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Technically speaking, yes. What is the evidence of the latter? Nothing that any politician is willing to say they've seen or they have. The most we ever get is "because the three letter agencies said so." What is the evidence of the 🍕 stuff? Advocates can point to some very strange Podesta e-mails, not just the cryptic uses of those words, but also the one strange message about small children who would be present for his entertainment. I wouldn't run with the story quite as far as some people do, but there is certainly much stronger evidence that something very strange is going on with the 🍕 than all this disjointed shouting about Russia.

[–]gametheory94[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The emails are just the start of it.

There's alefantis creepy Instagram pics.

The podestas friendships with known pedophiles.

Hillary intervening in Haiti to bail out a woman arrested for child trafficking.

Bill clintons friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and trips to orgy island

And so on

[–]8headeddragonQuestion the Narrative 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmm, I haven't dug that deep but I distantly remember seeing something strange related to Instagram. Also of note I just realized, lately politicians do not seem to have quite the same over the top anti-pedophilia fervor and outrage they'd used for easy support for years.

[–]gametheory94[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah definitely. You never hear them mention child abuse or trafficking as an issue even though it's more common than people think. Plus pedophilia seems to be more common with politicians than with the regular population which I find strange

[–]Skydiving_Squirrel 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Never heard so much pushing of the term "fake news" than when people were piecing together the odd vocabulary in the Podesta emails. Too many correlations, too much gaslighting, and a history of Clintons taking flights via Epstein's Lolita Express to his island. They all have dirt on each other. It is a club I would never want to be a part of. Gross, disgusting, unethical 1%ers.

[–]HootHootBernsJUSTICE FOR SETH RICH 🇺🇸🐼 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. Hell, the media panic over it made me more suspicious than some of the evidence did. Especially when Ben Swann asks reasonable questions and gets shut the fuck down--reduced to nice guy Atlanta anchor, still alive, but no more Reality Checks. He talks about 9/11, the MMR vaccine, Sandy Hook, nothing happens--talk about this, BOOM! Segment killed.

[–]expletivdeleted 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the media panic over it made me more suspicious than some of the evidence did.

yup.

[–]HootHootBernsJUSTICE FOR SETH RICH 🇺🇸🐼 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Russia and 🍕 do have a common theme--small bits of fishiness being blown WAY WAY WAY out of proportion. Enough to investigate, sure, but not enough to run around with your hair on fire and assuming everything.

Makes you wonder if RUSSIA might not have been another product of Clintonite "projection" rather than just some cooked up theme to explain away their failure.

[–]AnarchyInATXThe Panda was Assassinated 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Absolutely. And everyone goes to great lengths to convince you otherwise, and anyone who does talk about it publicly gets silenced.

Yes the 1% likes to fuck kids.

[–]Honztastic 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even a conspiracy.

The Catholic church did it for decades.

Hollywood does it and it's an open secret.

The British government had a big pedo circle get broken up.

There are high priced special sex escort services for the rich and elite, Eliott Spitzer showed that.

The notion that there is a circle of pedophiles within the US is not crazy. That is in Washington DC and politicians might be involved is not crazy.

There are a suspiciously large amount of CONVICTED pedophiles in close contact with highly powerful people.

And I don't know what all those code words refer to in Podestas emails. But they do NOT actually mean food. Could be drugs. Sex parties. Pedophilia. I don't know. But they are absolutely code words for something. And the lense of it being pedophilia fits a lot of strange occurrences and behavior and symboly.

Like one email of someone saying "I really loved your hot dog stand, I hope to go back!" Or something similar. Someone dug into the time. They were in Hawaii. The guy does not own any businesses in Hawaii, but DOES own a secluded beach property. How do you explain stuff like that? There is a shitload of smoke for there to be no fire somewhere.

[–]gametheory94[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's horrific that the media is so corrupt that it will cover up for pedophiles. Even to the point that they joke about how "fake" it is

[–]HootHootBernsJUSTICE FOR SETH RICH 🇺🇸🐼 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

This, I unfortunately think is, to some degree, plausible.

All the "cannibalism/Luciferian/sacrifice" stuff? Sounds a bit primitive and gross for hoity-toities...

[–]joshieecs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the more bizarre parts to the stories are probably just there to make the whole thing seem implausible.

[–]NirnaethArnodiad 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spirit cooking

[–]Honztastic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's out there as well, but an explanation for WHY it might be happening made sense.

So a bunch of power hungry sociopaths need a gate for access. Yoy have to buy into some weird ritual/group/cult to be shown the real secrets and learn the way of things. Hell, Republicans have that weirdass retreat. But you make it that gate weird and crazy enough to deter the people not willing to buy-in and "sell their soul" to prove they're equally willing to break rules and doubledeal. And you make it weird enough that exposing others makes you look crazy. So once you're in, you're in.

[–]martini-meow(I remain stirred, unshaken.) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389142/British-royalty-dined-human-flesh-dont-worry-300-years-ago.html

[–]gametheory94[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah idk about the whole sacrificial canabalism type stuff, that sounds a bit too far fetched.

But I definitely think snuff films are a thing and pedophilia is a way for elites to control politicians through blackmail.

[–]penelopepnortneyPurity Unicorn 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The art work collected by Podesta's brother seems primitive and gross to me and that "spirit cooking" lady does seem to move in fairly exalted circles. But then, I read somewhere that women were having toes amputated to accommodate their Jimmy Choos. Fitzgerald had it right, I think - the rich aren't like you and me.

[–]HootHootBernsJUSTICE FOR SETH RICH 🇺🇸🐼 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Podestas do have some creepy ass art with kids, along with their buddy pizza boy.

I see your point, and buy that these types of people also like to engage in silly things like human-shaped cake and bizarre performance art, because glitzy 1% weirdness. There's plenty of evidence to back that up.

It's just also my belief that, barring tangible evidence beyond human testimony--which can be the result of drugs, an unstable-enough mind from abuse, etc.--I just don't buy that they're so far out as killing and eating babies and all that. Further, I would speculate that such things are introduced into the heads of some of their abused so that their testimony as abuse victims loses credibility. Pure speculation, on my part, though.

[–]AnarchyInATXThe Panda was Assassinated 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

faux-magick for the elites is nothing new. The elite are obssessed with anything exclusive, secret societies, members-only clubs, esoteric flim-flam. It's not real magick, it's performance art to con some big paychecks until the mark gets bored with the act.

[–]greenascanbe -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

LOL, no

[–]gametheory94[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Really? Please explain why

[–]greenascanbe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

all 17 intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered and that many high level Trump campaign and now Administration folks are involved - there are 5 separate investigations going on right now - pizzagate has what? nothing - to compare the two is trivializing what is currently happening in front of our eyes

[–]nehark#DemExit 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

all 17 intelligence agencies agree

Those little words give you away immediately. (So what...? Did they come to the Coast Guard and say, "Hey would you be kind enough to say you agree? You make 17.")

[–]BlaBlaOligarchy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

all 17 intelligence agencies agree

You have been misinformed.

Now that you know that, please take some time to think about what that means.

[–]HootHootBernsJUSTICE FOR SETH RICH 🇺🇸🐼 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've evidently not seen the evidence behind 🍕 with your own eyes, or you would understand there's something there also in need of investigation. And the MSM's definition for it is a strawman, NOT what those who believe in the theory are trying to argue.

[–]penelopepnortneyPurity Unicorn 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

all 17 intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered

If you actually maintained even a modicum of disbelief about what the media feeds you, you would wonder how any of our intelligence agencies knows anything at all since the FBI was not given access to the DNC server - ergo, the only "evidence" is hearsay from the DNC and those on its payroll.

[–]OrdinaryPanda 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. They just took Crowdstrike's analysis, and said "looks good to me", and didn't inspect for themselves.

And considering CS is run by a Ukrainian who is anti-russia, and they stepped back from their own report as soon as it received more scrutiny and were asked about swearing to it under oath...

This is just ridiculously flimsy. Peter Pan politics. If they can get everyone in the media to accept it as true, most viewers will accept it, too.

[–]gametheory94[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The same intelligence agencies that told us Iraq DEFINITELY has weapons of mass destruction? Yeah okay

Flynn and Sessions may have met with the Russian but that doesn't prove anything.

Pizzagate has an insane amount of circumstantial evidence that hasn't been investigated and none of the people involved has explained any of the coincidences

[–]OrdinaryPanda 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was 3/17, kept the intel from the other agencies, and relied upon a very small group of analysts. Then used the publishing channel that is supposed to be used when data has been more thoroughly vetted.

It was given the exact opposite appearance of what actually happened in the analysis process.

Think of it as the first university to announce a scientific discovery. It's taken with a grain of salt until other independent studies are performed.