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This thread was removed by the AutoModerator because it received 5 reports (apparently while we were sleeping - this thread had zero reports when I saw it last night).

With 140+ upvotes, 60+ comments, and 2 x Gildings I'm gonna overrule AutoModerator. Apparently you all want to discuss this topic.

Please carry on.

[–]smallbluetext 376 ポイント377 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Just got my soup cert this week actually and spoons became obsolete last year with the introduction of the micro-ladle. Trust me it gets the job done better than any spoon.

[–]zombieninja 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (15子コメント)

The one thing I don't understand about micro-ladles is how do you integrate it with immutable soup?

[–]Secondsemblance 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (13子コメント)

If you need the features from immutable soup, you should definitely check out non Newtonian broth. It acts like a solid to the utensil layer, while still maintaining the classic bowl interface.

[–]WeeferMadness 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'd be so happy if someone could invent inverse non-newtonian broth. Shake it and it goes liquid, but otherwise can be eaten with a fork? That'd make camping so much easier..

[–]truefire_ 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

We ate our soups with forks back in the International Broth Machines days, and we liked it.

Kids.

;)

[–]pizzaboy192Lead Datawrangler 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You just need Lots Of Salty Pieces which helps solidify the soup.

[–]devonnull 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

With all this talk of broth and soup...and salt...I think that we have...

TOO MANY COOKS!

[–]pizzastevo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah fuck you beat me to it. So much relevancy.

[–]Dilong-paradoxus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You want a shear-thinning non-newtonian fluid instead of the corn starch-style shear thickening. Ketchup is a good example, where it sticks to the bottle but if you hit it hard enough it comes out really easy.

[–]elprophet 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tonight on Maury: "You claim the physics of hitting a ketchup bottle helps the ketchup come out, but our diner tests indicate this is a lie!"

[–]kellyzdudeLinux Admin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I never had good experience with hitting the bottle, but do much better by holding the lid closed with a finger and swinging my arm in violent arcs to induce centrifugal force on the contents of the container.

[–]WeeferMadness 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I advise against letting go in that situation. Gets messy.

[–]UnreasonableSteve 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just keep the lid on and slam the bottle (lid-down) on the table. Works for ketchup, mustard, pickles, soy sauce, butter, whatever.

[–]pleasedothenerdful 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically, the name for that phenomenon is thixotropy.

[–]Ganondorf_Is_God 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Join the Army and open any canned "food".

[–]RollingprobablecauseSr. Software/Systems Engineer 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't forget SCI - Spoon Converged Infrastructure. It's 3 spoons glued together made by different companies that have terrible relationships and cost as much as 1000 spoons.

[–]jfireballzLinux Darkside: We have cookies. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What SaaS (Soup as a Service) tiers are offered by your SCI? Can I live migrate spoons like you can with SPWare SpoonMotion?

[–]snegtulSr. Sysadmin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

VCE customer reporting in, yep. That's about right. And also, it doesn't do normal spoon functions until you upgrade to the next RCM version, which is still in beta.

[–]epsiblivion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

not to be confused with SCSI: Super Converged Spoon Infrastructure

[–]FyzzleNetwork Admin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been using a spoon for decades, there is nothing wrong with the spoon, I demand future soup be made backwards compatible with the spoon.

[–]atri_at_workJoaT 2nd award 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As long as i can connect my old spoon via dongle, I'll be happy.

[–]ShadowedPariahSysadmin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's time for cloud spoon man, get with it!

[–]fierostetz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should you go to college and get a degree in micro-ladling... or is a micro-ladle certification better?

[–]theevilsharpieJack of All Trades 564 ポイント565 ポイント  (57子コメント)

Your shitpost isn't accurate. Here's something that better reflects your typical exchange

OP: I'm looking for the fastest and cheapest way to heat pre-made soup. Any suggestions?

CR: Soup should never be pre-made. It tastes like crap. You make soup from scratch. What kind of chef are you? What kind of environment re-heats soup?

OP: I work in a small fast-food restaurant. We can't make fresh soup because it's too slow and too expensive, and our customers are specifically coming to us for fast and cheap food.

CR: Then get the SuperUltraHyperSoupMaker 3000, like the big chains use. You can keep it filled with ingredients, and it will make soup all day and keep it heated.

OP: I don't even have the budget for a free quote.

CR: You're in a shitty environment and don't do things right. The best practice is [whatever fancy restaurants or chains with orders of magnitude more revenue do], and if you can't do that, you may as well just give up.

OP: Reheating soup is so far removed from our primary revenue-generating activities that I'm not even sure our management knows that we do it. The odds of anyone investing a significant amount of money in this are minimal. I'm just trying to do the best I can with the resources that I have.

CR: Doesn't matter. If you don't do this in exactly the same way as the textbook corporation, you are failure and an embarrassment. Also, since I'm loud and seem to post right at the beginning of new threads (even though I'm supposedly a manager with a full-time job), I've already derailed any potential discussion you might have had. Sad!

[–]arhombus 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP: I don't even have the budget for a free quote.

Lol

[–]itwebgeekJack of All Trades 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know the feeling.

[–]WCC5D1F0E 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (32子コメント)

This is beautiful. This is why I never ask advice on Reddit, it'll turn into someone trying to crush me for even asking.

[–]Klathmon 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Start your thread with "It's literally impossible to make soup! Only absolute idiots would even make soup!" and then watch the helpful advice pour in as the trolls will go to the ends of the earth to ensure you can make soup.

[–]SheeEttinJr. Sysadmin 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Cunningham's Law, isn't it?

[–]uberamdcurl -k https://secure.trustworthy.site.ru/script.sh | sudo bash 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (20子コメント)

The way I see it, /r/sysadmin is a pretty fucking good place to ask about issues where you:

  1. have no budget

  2. know shit is being done the wrong way but it's out of your hands

  3. don't work for a big enough org to justify purchasing a larger solution

  4. want a turnkey solution

  5. have an issue with a Microsoft product

Not trying to knock this place at all, comment and post trends just seem to indicate that a majority of the admins here work for small businesses as Windows specialists. Cranky isn't a small business employee, but it seems like a majority of other commenters are. So if you can ignore the noise he, and a handful of others make, odds are you will eventually get an answer.

[–]f0gaxJack of All Trades 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (15子コメント)

a majority of the admins here work for small businesses

True. And that's not surprising. When I worked for very large corporations we had support and maintenance agreements with all of our mission-critical vendors. If some strange problem occurred or we needed a new solution, we phoned them up. Where for a smaller company it is less likely that they have such relationships. So when the sysadmin runs out of ideas, there's no budget for a paid support call, and/or they can't find anything on Google, then it's off to the "forums" to start asking around.

[–]uberamdcurl -k https://secure.trustworthy.site.ru/script.sh | sudo bash 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Bingo. I imagine there are few things worse than being in a position where the company won't pay for support, and the mission critical component of your infrastructure is down.

We're looking at taking our legacy application and moving it in the direction of containerized microservices. My first thought? Lets look at a paid container platform like OpenShift Enterprise by Red Hat. Why? Because this stuff is still newish, and if shit hits the fan having someone to call is CRUCIAL.

I might know a fair amount about containers, but the complexities of Kubernetes and OpenShift mean I'll be underwater pretty quick if the issue is anything under the hood. Lucky for me my manager said "absolutely agree."

If the business is going to lose tens of thousands of dollars due to a single outage, whether it be via sales or SLA violations with 3rd party customers, you should have support contracts.

[–]0fsysadminwork 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Bingo. I imagine there are few things worse than being in a position where the company won't pay for support, and the mission critical component of your infrastructure is down.

What about being in a position that pays for support, and the mission critical component goes down, and it takes 3 months for the vendor to get back to you? Sometimes you gotta do it yourself.

Sadly, doesn't seem to be many Oracle Micros Sys Admin's around :(

[–]meat_bunny 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RedHat support is pretty good.

It's literally one of the only reasons people give them money, they try hard not to fuck it up.

[–]forte_bass 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

have you tried /r/oracle ?

[–]0fsysadminwork 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, Oracle recently (year or so) purchased Micros. It really is a separate product and doubt it gets much coverage there. I will check it out though, thanks.

[–]OtisBIT Mangler/Sr. Sysadmin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo. I imagine there are few things worse than being in a position where the company won't pay for support, and the mission critical component of your infrastructure is down.

Funny enough, I just had a conversation about this with the guy that owns the company I work for. He said that for some of us (meaning tech people, IT, Engineering in particular), this is specifically why we got hired (and paid!) - because this is one of our prominent skills - making do without things that we really should have. It allows us to push into and benefit from technologies that we really can't afford to do the right way.

So I asked him (because he doesn't know it yet but I'm looking at leaving this job) "What happens when we become dependent on this and the expert on it leaves?"

To which, he replied "Well then we're fucked"

I smirked a little bit inside.

[–]montarion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dammit I want to read your flair!

[–]RollingprobablecauseSr. Software/Systems Engineer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

to the "forums" to start asking around

In the development world, we go to stack exchange lol

[–]thejourneyman117Aspiring Sysadmin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was just thinking they have some related stuff over there, and I'd probably head there first for an answer.

[–]dnietz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and the funny thing is, if you are in a huge IT department, not only is your role "tracked" or limited, but you will get the enterprise level full support from the vendor and often not learn how to actually fix a problem yourself.

While having "mentor" or someone better than you at an organization help guide you and tel you what is wrong or right technically, I have never actually worked with a high skilled IT person that is forthcoming with their knowledge. Many people like to pretend that they are leading or mentoring those around them, but in almost all cases, they are just pretending to be helpful for show.

[–]dagbrownLarry needs more yachts [Solaris guy] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

comment and post trends just seem to indicate that a majority of the admins here work for small businesses as Windows specialists

Which makes me feel doubly-weird working for quite a large business as an OpenSolaris (now known as Illumos) specialist.

[–]tiduxLinux Admin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well there's /r/linuxadmin where most of the penguin-herders hang out, so there's a bit of selection bias here.

[–]theevilsharpieJack of All Trades 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/linuxadmin is more for the corporate linux admin types. The cool tech kids hang out in /r/devops.

[–]dgriffithJack of All Trades 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's easy, all you have to do is provide an exhaustive summary of your issue, starting from the first bad decision you made - being born.

[–]j0mbie 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is so much more accurate. I was going to reply to the original post with:

"Spoons are incompatible with the custom piece of software that our entire business uses. The last quote we received to change the software was in the seven figures. Yes, I hate doing it this way, but can we please just answer the original question instead of arguing about methodology?"

But I think you put it much better.

[–]willhughes 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

OP: I don't even have the budget for a free quote.

Alternatively:
OP: SuperUltraHyperSoupMaker looks good, but how much for just one? Site has no contact details and directs me to two VARs in my region. VAR1 won't give me prices without a face to face meeting, then NDAs being signed. Last time I dealt with VAR2 was when I was acquring bowls. They tried upselling me to a Cloud BAAS (Bowls as a Service) platform, and when I asked about self-hosted bowls they wanted to put me on a Bowl Maintenance Plan with a minimum number of bowls that was 15x what I actually needed and refused to come down on the numbers.

[–]deeseearrSysadmin 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If SpaceX can list the exact price to launch a Falcon 9 or a Falcon Heavy right on their web site, what kind of excuse does SuperUltraHyperSoupCo have, anyway?

[–]CreshalEmbedded DevOps Techsupport Sysadmin [Austria] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't face as much competition as SpaceX does, and know it.

[–]dnietz 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, .... and queue the commenters that are sycophants of OP here stating that anyone that works at a company with less than 1000 employees and an IT department of less than 20 people is a complete fraud..... and if they dare call themselves or refer to themselves as "sysadmins" that they are liars and jokes and are ruining the IT industry and their actions are borderline criminal and they may someday soon be the cause of a mass trojan outbreak that takes the entire planet down.

and before anyone here says I'm exaggerating, this is exactly what happened last year when OP above got temporarily banned for like a half a day by an overzealous mod (because OP was being a complete db) and a whole bunch of high on themselves children that are sycophants of OP started a huge discussion and campaign to bring OP back. There were outright calls for purging this sub of anyone that they didn't consider to be in their class (according to their own definition).

There were outright accusations of anyone that doesn't fit the mold described above as not really being a genuine IT professional and also a complete fraud. The word fraud was specifically used about 45k times with no one rebutting the claim and no mod coming in and shutting down the personal vitriol and attacks by those who consider themselves in the elite IT class of a true sysadmin

The I'm better than you and you suck IT guys (who we don't know if they are real) won the argument that day and have since been the masters of this sub. One or two mods then set some rules that "SMB admins are allowed on this sub" (along with a gentle pat on the head, I'm pretty sure). As if the only two types are either 1000+ end user systems or smb only systems. There must be no companies that have only 500 employees and run modern technology.

Ever since then, OP has been really high on his own self-worth and every once in a while makes posts like this talking to this sub as if the majority here are children that needs life coaching (and not technical coaching)... therefore accomplishing exactly what he had claimed was annoying him about this sub (lowering it to a discussion board that no professional would ever reference in a real life professional discussion or would admit to using as a source of information to other executives or department heads.

This sub could have been what all those other sites wished they could: a news, discussion, and information sharing site for IT professionals of various experience and skill levels. Instead, we have a playground for children wishing to show off their machismo.

Queue all the little children and sycophants of dear leader OP telling me how much of a POS I am for a thousand reasons, etc...

[–]dehugger 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry, are you talking about the overall Post-OP or the comment chain-OP? I'm not really sure who you are referencing.

Also, this makes me sad. As a lone guy trying to hold the computers together at a (by those standards) tiny company, this sub is my go-to for information on whats happening and what I need to be aware of. I didn't realize that I was in such a frowned-upon category.

[–]dnietz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was referring to cranky.

I agree with the person I was replying to.

[–]Kraekus 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for saying this. I've been watching this sub for years and posted a time or two. I've never actually felt like OP is doing much other than jacking off all over his keyboard, but since the sub seems to like him generally, I assumed it was just me. Nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks he's an internet asshole who gets off on humble bragging.

Our team is about 15 people strong, supporting 300+ users and developers, we have roughly 300 servers, and manage 2PB of volatile data. I feel like we are right there in the middle of the crowd and nearly none of OPs posts apply to us.

[–]TheLilHipster 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

crankysysadmin has always been an apathetic bully from my perspective.

Didn't even realise he was OP until you pointed it out.

[–]what-the-hackEnchanted Email Protection 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean the people that never, ever, ever make technical posts because they are middle management?

It's a facade, they know that they lost the technical skills years ago so they gotta grump around the net for status.

[–]EkyouNetadmin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always seem to have the opposite problem, honestly.

"Hey guys I'm a new chef at a 3 star restaurant and I really think we'd benefit from having a better soup course. What kinds of soups do fellow chefs serve, and who can I talk to about getting quality ingredients in bulk?"
"Why would you make soup? Just buy it in a can. The Walmart brand tastes fine."
"Why would you buy the ingredients? I have a couple tomato plants in my back yard and that's enough to make all the soup I can eat"

[–]Jordo_99Jack of All Trades 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought the sarcasm was pretty entertaining...as it got more outrageous it just got funnier and funnier.

I find it hard to believe that anybody would interpret it as a serious analogy rather than just getting upset because it's cranky saying cranky things about SMBs.

...if we're to take this at all seriously, OP would've just let the soup cool before eating it

[–]marco262 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, this is more accurate to what I've seen around here.

[–]wgoshenuDevOoops 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You missed the part about OP being a fucking moron for hugging the soup.

[–]sigmatic_minorSchrödinger's SPARC 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I get that some of the parrallels being drawn on the types of responses sometimes are accurate, but I'm not sure I see what your point is..

Sometimes, I'm eating soup and my company and our customer absolutely will not allow for the spoon, or magical soup bowl 2.0 or a colder soup. The hot soup and the bowl are the specs I have to work with. So if someone from reddit has an answer I maybe haven't considered, to me it's worth the chance to ask.

When myself or other posters here have been in a similiar position, often I see some great out-of-the-box thinking that really helps AND meets the specs, I rarely just see bad answers and then a deleted post.

[–]SpacePirate 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is one of assumptions and poor communication.

There is a very different thing between coming here assuming that soup should be eaten with your hands while not knowing of a spoon's existence, and between knowing that a spoon exists, stating explicitly that you cannot use it, and asking about the best solution while asking for advice for alternatives.

Cranky's example explicitly assumes a lack of knowledge while implicitly stating that the OP believes there is no alternative method for dealing with this, and thus is asking for help for a problem based on incorrect assumptions:

"For those of you who eat soup, how do you clean your hands afterwords and what do you do about all the burns on your hands?"

So... somehow someone appears to have made it to adulthood but never learned about the concept of a spoon, probably by ending up in some sort of small and isolated environment.

The difference between what Cranky brought up and your case is when the poster explicitly already knows that they're not doing things in the best way, so one should really make this clear in the OP. This shows that you've done at least a bit of research before asking the forum, and avoids people piling on with RTFM-esque comments.

[–]thereisonlyoneme 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The hot soup and the bowl are the specs I have to work with.

I hate to be "this" guy, but this really is one of my frustrations. Not just on Reddit. No one is prepared to trust this. But on the other hand if you post the wall of text on how you got to where you are, then it distracts from the actual question.

[–]sigmatic_minorSchrödinger's SPARC 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (7子コメント)

EDIT: Sorry, I'm in the wrong here, my own examples that I was thinking of obviously don't apply to everything and I didn't really consider that!

I really dont understand why it's so hard for some to believe that an admin is given a task or a problem to solve with specific specs and parameters they have to stick to, but otherwise have a pretty good job. I think it's more common than what people think.

For example, if I ask for how to get XYZ working on an old UNIX flavour, with specific hardware, you can be very sure there's a good reason I can't​ use something else. If someone asks if I've considered using other specs without me saying I can't deviate from it, of course that's fair enough, but it's very frustrating to be told "well that's a terrible solution" or "you shouldn't be doing it that way" when I simply HAVE to go with the setup I have. There's often reasons. A lot of the time there's other reasons someone can't go into detail as to why (NDA, military, government, customer IPO etc).

[–]bofhWhat was your username again? 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For example, if I ask for how to get XYZ working on an old UNIX flavour, with specific hardware, you can be very sure there's a good reason I can't​ use something else.

Maybe we can be sure that if you ask how to do something a "stupid" way then that means you cannot do something more sensible but that clearly isn't the case for everyone.

And I don't know about you, but I've been doing IT for quite some time now and still learn how to do things better because someone challenged my assumptions instead of just letting me continue on with trying more efficient ways to be dumb. I don't mind people challenging my assumptions because the discussion can often be valuable. The only thing I enjoy more than learning something new is teaching others something new.

[–]ghostchamberMSP Eater of Babies 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But on the other hand if you post the wall of text on how you got to where you are, then it distracts from the actual question.

Then the problem is you have people that come in and start asking why the hell anyone would do something like that (something that Cranky does regularly). It is almost like those people are gating their help behind receipt of a satisfactory explanation for why things are the way they are. Except, in his case, he usually does not help with technical questions. He'll just toss out some mean spirited comment about how the person has no idea what they are doing.

This is why I haven't come to this sub with an actual question for help with something in almost two years.

[–]poke-it_with_a_stickBOFH 190 ポイント191 ポイント  (52子コメント)

You've made a decent analogy about quite a few of the threads on here... Now, what's your point?

[–]suren69 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pfft you need the point spoonfed to you?

[–]thcricketfan 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I prefer a fork

[–]redacteduseridJr. Sysadmin 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Chopsticks or GTFO.

[–]FearMeIAmRootIT Director 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love to use Chopsticks, but we don't have the budget required to license them. And because of the limited number of dishes we serve, it actually fits our needs better if we use Sporks. They don't work perfectly in every situation, but seem to get the job done in our small restaurant.

[–]Bellyfluous 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most underrated comment of the thread

[–]tardis42 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP is " the guy who suggests a diamond encrusted spoon made out of platinum." and/or one of the people making " ...commentary about using consumer class spoons and how you must work for a really shitty small place if you think you can hand an executive a spoon made out of plastic.", and doesn't realise it.

[–]egammaIT Manager 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Something about people being too sensitive to criticism, probably.

[–]changeupcharley 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Bingo. crankysysadmin gave some good advice to people earlier today about not fucking off in the "server closet", as it's not the room to fuck off in, and then someone tried to make him feel guilty for being "too enterprise", and then someone said he was a dick because he made them look stupid by using a great analogy of moving sales into the bathroom because of limited space, and people just started playing victim, as usual. It's amazing how people can start making excuses and playing victim from something as black and white as "don't fuck off in the server room". The sub is a circle jerk, and while some great stuff comes from it, it's still a circle jerk. Good times.

[–]sirex007 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (13子コメント)

it's just a classic case of closed minded advice being given without qualification. Yes, in a large data center or enterprise situation you should have security on your server cages, a list of who went in there and why, security cameras on the rooms, and long list of entirely sensible precautions. In a smaller company you probably want a few of those things, and in a really small company you'll probably be able to get none of those things. But that doesn't mean i can tell a small business that they need fingerprint readers, or a large company that it's ok to store boxes in there. Giving black and white advice is rarely a good idea and leads to getting shoes thrown from one side or the other every single time.

[–]SpacePirate 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

in a really small company you'll probably be able to get none of those things.

In a really small company, you're probably equally concerned with who is able to get into employee work areas in general as much as you are concerned with who is able to get access to those servers that are running on a desk in the hallway. If someone besides your three fellow employees is poking around employee areas without an escort, the company has probably got more important problems to deal with than IT.

[–]sirex007 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no joke, a place i was at last year had their 'servers' literally sitting in a pile on the floor. They got colocated quickly, but up to that point the cleaner had been hoovering around them and there was concern they'd knock a lead out of them. I went there directly after a financial services company that spent 6 months planning a move of 2 racks to a new location with roll back plans at each step of the way.

[–]MynameisIsis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly thought they were all giving cranky a hard time and he was taking them literally, but no one seriously meant it. If I'm wrong, please don't correct me, I'd like to believe people aren't that dumb.

[–]GTFr0 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Now, what's your point?

This is the largest issue I have with cranky. He throws bombs but doesn't actually give any decent advice.

It's like the thread he responded to a while back about what kind of hiring tests to use for a new IT hire. He just called OP and his proposed test stupid without giving them an any actual advice on what would be a good method to screen people.

I too am in the process of hiring a junior IT person, and would have liked to see advice on how to screen applicants, but nothing (including cranky's response) was even close to helpful.

[–]Clickity_clickity 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile on /r/talesfromtechsupport:

Suddenly, there was cold soup everywhere, and it was my fault. The spoons were on their way but wouldn't be here for another hour. The customer was seething. Somewhere, a child cried out.

Turns out the crockpot wasn't plugged in.

[–]ranger_doodK12 Sys/Net/Desktop/Toasteradmin 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There will be commentary about using consumer class spoons and how you must work for a really shitty small place if you think you can hand an executive a spoon made out of plastic

Oh the irony in a crankysysadmin post.

[–]i_pk_pjers_ipcpartpicker.com/p/mbqGvK (16TB) ESXi WinServer2016 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Someone will tell the OP that he should quit immediately if he's eating soup with his hands and get a better job.

This is actually really good advice.

[–]1s44c 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The OP can easily get a new job where the management are less incompetent and give out chopsticks for eating soup.

[–]YourMomLikesDogPoo 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Forget the soup delete Facebook hit the gym.

[–]wakdem_the_almighty 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I lnew i did something wrong when i hit the soup, deleted the gym and ate facebook with a spork on a Friday.

[–]Fregn 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also stop drinking.

[–]bobsomeguy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, wen did that become part of the meme? And let me just say, I strongly oppose it's inclusion.

[–]IT_2784628364 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget to lawyer up or all previous advice is null and void.

[–]Tinkado 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most reddit advice boils down to quitting or breaking up with the person.

Its the easiest, most dramatic, flashiest, and best feeling. Makes for the best story as well.

Best advice? Probably not.

[–]Telnet_RulesNo such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The best advice to give to someone that want to make a house from cardboard and broken glass is "fucking don't" but as soon as you say that you get people bitching.. "waah I don't have the budget for wood and brick" "waah but the boss wants that way"

[–]ROWeek 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If someone has made it to adulthood and still hasn't gotten the concept of eating soup with a spoon I will most surely not want them on my team.

[–]Fregn 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if they have 37 certifications from the University of Cameroon's 3 weeks IT program?

[–]ZangomuncherWindows Admin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whereas that analogy is easy to understand, whether you should hug your server or not is a little more difficult to say if you should be doing it or not, I guess if it's dust free and static free, maybe not best to hug the server in general, if it's not causing static charge and/or dust to enter the area then I don't really see an issue.

[–]ZeroHexWindows Admin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exposure to tools is really inconsistent across industries and companies, so someone not knowing about a basic tool used at the enterprise level wouldn't concern me too much.

I'd be much more interested in how receptive they are to an easier way to do things and how quickly they could pick up the newer methodology and tools.

[–]devonnull 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You forgot the pampered soup eater who is making a ton of money eating the soup but is going to go to a different restaurant because they aren't being paid enough or appreciated while talking with their mouths full about automated menus, food distribution, controlled ingredients management and licensing and that you're falling behind if you don't eat soup the way they do.

[–]Hellman109Windows Sysadmin 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So the point of this is?

Ive seen you delete threads when they're downvoted and/or disagreed with plenty of times. If all we did was reply on how we washed our hands that would actually be doing a disservice to the OP.

The point of this forum is for discussion, if someone asks about ghosting a machine the much better way to do it is MDT/WDS/SCCM or similar and that should be brought up, especially if there are no qualifiers about why ghost is needed, I think that came up a week or two ago and the OP had a good reason for it.

Offering alternatives to problems is part of being a good sysadmin, you can use technology in numerous ways to solve a huge range of problems and most of them are a good way of doing it, depending on use cases, sizes, etc.

[–]WoodChuckingIT Director 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Unless you're a total n00b, you'll just use a spork for everything.

[–]Secondsemblance 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be honest, sporks are an attempt to solve too many problems with one solution, and do all of them badly. Spoons are a reliable workhorse that have a history of getting the job done no matter what. Sporks may have less of an initial learning curve, but they'll never be reliable as a spoon in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing. "Sporks are foodscale" is just a fad.

[–]letsgetphysITalReplica is inconsistent 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sporks make no sense until you upgrade your soup to include the noodle plugin. Then they come into your own.

Getting good at using a spork for soup will decrease the learning curve in the future as business expands.

[–]Jordo_99Jack of All Trades 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

you need to go backpacking ;)

[–]Secondsemblance 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That statement is never not true.

[–]1s44c 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is nothing a general purpose tool does better than the correct tool.

[–]crankysysadminsysadmin herder[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sporks are only used by people who think they know what they're doing.

Total dunning-kruger move

[–]stephendt 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see you've played sporky spoony before

[–]chodeboi 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, dat Dunning-Kruger Use Paradox doe

[–]letsgetphysITalReplica is inconsistent 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see you're still using just basic soup. This is fine for most eating tasks, but not as efficient as it could be. When you upgrade to add noodles, you'll find spoon isn't up to the task and you'll lose productivity. Upgrading to the spork early on will make eating plain soup a little worse off, but will decrease your learning curve for implementing improved soup.

[–]StrangeWillSenior Software Engineer / Consultant 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you pay for the expensive soup support package? If you do you can call support and they'll eat it for you.

I also know some consultants that specialize in soup eating.

[–]multivacacmulti-food environment 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know about all these multi million dollar companies where you guys work where you can afford to talk about things like spoons, I was turned down again in my request to buy a pot to cook the soup in so we could just stop pouring the soup right onto the stove and then when it goes everywhere I am forced to stay all night and clean it with my toothbrush I had to bring from home. Also I don't get paid for it. And while I am doing this my boss goes into my house and steals things.

How can I change my horrible work environment? And please stop telling me I need a new job, this job pays terrible and is a 4 hour commute from my house.

[–]owned_at_worms 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sounds like something that could be resolved by contracting a good MSP. Managed Spoon Provider.

[–]jeffmoss262have you tried turning it off and back on again? 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

sudo apt-get install spoon

[–]mbgotwOG *nix admin 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That thought seems to be predicated on OP responding with "FUCK YOU, I DIDN"T ASK ABOUT SILVERWARE"

That, IMO, isn't what happens.

OP may say something along the lines of "uh, what does a spoon have to do with soup?", at which point people tell him he's an idiot, etc, etc.

[–]polprog 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Imo this is a classic xy problem, asking about the solution you came up with instead of asking about the solution for a problem

[–]mbgotwOG *nix admin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP: I need a place for failover VM's. Dunno what I'm doing, really.

CR: Ugh. So easy. Just install ceoh. Duh.

OP: So, I googled "ceoh" and didn't come up with anything.

CR: I MEANT CEPH, YOU FUCKING SHITGIBBON. GOD DAMN I HATE YOU NEWBS.

OP: So, I got ceph up and running, but one of the osd's refuses to start. I'm not sure what the next step is.

CR: Did you nope-out it? Did you search? DID YOU RTFM? GOD, YOU ARE STUPID!!

OP: Nevermind, you rude fuck, I am going back to rsync'ing data across nodes every 5 minutes.

....or something along those lines.

The bottom line is that /r/sysadmin/ isn't helpful unless you do things exactly like the loudest of you think things should be done.

[–]bfodder 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or OP responds with "the company I work for won't get me a spoon, this is what I've got to work with."

I see that way more often.

[–]motodotoJack of All Trades 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There will be commentary about using consumer class spoons and how you must work for a really shitty small place if you think you can hand an executive a spoon made out of plastic.

Gee, I wonder who does that.

[–]phatkez1GinAdmin 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was a great read to start my Monday morning. I was in bits at "Someone will challenge that and claim they have 25 years of experience and they use a fork."

[–]eruffini 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I came for the soup, but all I got was this lousy spoon.

[–]egammaIT Manager 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is no spoon.

[–]jamesfordsawyer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"aaaaahhhhghaaaaaa" - Old Jewish Guy in the Barbershop in Coming to America

[–]jeffmoss262have you tried turning it off and back on again? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

hahahaha

[–]Slinkwyde 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

[–]shadoweye14 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

JOEY DOESNT SHARE SOUP!

[–]badteeth3000 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

there is an powershell function that will clean the soup from your hands and remove the burning feeling and replace it with a dependency not found in psgallery (yet it is really there).

[–]Reverb001 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is most internet discussions go.

[–]jfoust2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What? You don't have a soup cloud? That's where everyone is getting their soup these days.

[–]zapbarkSr. Sysadmin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is a lot of truth in your post.

But to use your metaphor.

If you don't like certain posts in /r/sysadmin. Isn't the proper way to deal with bad OPs and bad comments to downvote them?

That seems like the proper solution rather than a low info post?

[–]brontideCertified Linux Miracle Worker (tm) 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this is /u/crankysysadmin, all hail his shitpost wisdom since none of us can find our way out of a paper bag without him.

[–]trapartist 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

ah, the sunday cranky shitpost

most of the other ones during the week are good, but i always feel like these sunday ones are 'i had a few drinks, here is what i think about...'

[–]King_Chochacho 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...this sub.

Seriously, it's just posts about how the sub's content are shit, but they add nothing of value to the sub and for some reason people love them, so it just exacerbates the problem he's whining about. Can we at least get a meta tag to filter out this bullshit or something? Turning into HQG over here.

[–]Anlarb 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instructions unclear, made curry.

[–]greybearded_goat 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I find /u/crankysysadmin to be the worst thing about this sub.

[–]bfodder 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is guilty of a lot of the things he is bitching about and he is not being fair to the hypothetical person he is belittling. Most of the time these posts happen because OP's company won't get him a god damn spoon and he is trying to make due with what he has.

[–]iwifiaCloud Admin 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And his constant slams to small companies. Most of us see those posts he talks about and moves on, nah he makes a rant about them!

[–]My_usrname_of_choice 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Last interaction I had with him he was the one having a go at me for not working somewhere that can afford to separate their workplaces, stemming from mention of server rooms being used as storage areas.

OP is literally the one in the wrong for harping on about executive spoons.

[–]iwifiaCloud Admin 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ohhhhh yeah! I remember that post!

This is normal for him. He is a cancer of the industry. He is the old guard that doesn't understand moving forward and has worked in a single environment for so long that he can't grasp anything but large enterprise.

[–]laaazlo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When pressed, it turns out fork guy has welded the tines together and/or doesn't eat soup

[–]Bellyfluous 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Petition to rename Systems Administrators to Soup Dragons

[–]BrontosaurusB 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instead, you should try to realize the truth. There is no spoon.

[–]hthu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get your analogy, and it's a good one. But, I must remind you that sometimes when people post a seemingly moronic question asking for a solution while ignoring all the obvious work-arounds, it's because they are facing a situation that the obvious work-arounds don't (or can't) apply. It's easy for an outsider to point out the "spoon", but the real life circumstances of the OP might be that the spoon isn't actually available, and must do it without. You can't assume you know everything about OP's particular environment and its restrictions. Also, sometimes people post a question that's a parallel of their problem but not exactly, as in a hypothetical situation but the solution would help with their actual situation. They don't want to post the actual question because of fear of revealing their (or the organization's) real identity. We all know how that would play out badly, right.

[–]UgbrogNiMdA@2008 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ending is lackluster, this would be slightly more accurate:

OP comments that he's resolved his issue. There are no additional details.

The next comment comes 5 years later from someone who accidentally got hot soup on his hands looking for help with cleaning them and dealing with the burns. All he wants to know is what OP ended up doing.

[–]Amidatelion 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what I hate more, this post, its popularity, or the sheer quantity of gormless, oblivious neckbeards asking, "So what's your point?"

[–]swollenlovepony 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You left out the part where you tell them that they're not smart enough to use a spoon because they don't have a college degree.

[–]iwifiaCloud Admin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or that they are stupid for getting a cert in spoon using and that he would never hire them because of said cert.

[–]GiveMeBackMyPantsJack of All Asses 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get-SoupSpoon | Set-SoupSpoon -Spork -Free

Remove-Sandwich -Identity RoastBeef

Add-Bowl -Type Ceramic -Style Flowery

[–]redacteduseridJr. Sysadmin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what, I give up. I'm going to go and farm papier-mache balloons, it's much more rewarding and less stressful.

[–]baggysmills 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Straws work pretty well for the broth.

[–]inucune 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The larger ones are less prone to issues with larger objects, and have more through put for effort if configured properly.

Don't trust anyone with a crazy straw.

[–]bofhWhat was your username again? 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reminds me of the thread from about a year ago about people thinking that linus tech tips idiot and his "tips" deserve the time of day.

[–]Razithel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Somewhere in there we're going to find out that the soup is made by Oracle and you can only use $100 Oracle HyperSpoons with this soup that end-of-life after a year.

[–]JeffbxIT Director 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

$100 for unlimited use? I have to pay per spoonful.

[–]pizzastevo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't fucking care! Bring back my gazpacho soup piping hot!

[–]slick8086 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This problem can be avoided if when Sr. Sysadmins are training the youngns the introduce them to:

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

The situation you describe is one of the examples of how not to ask a question.

How can I use X to do Y

  • If what you want is to do Y, you should ask that question without pre-supposing the use of a method that may not be appropriate. Questions of this form often indicate a person who is not merely ignorant about X, but confused about what problem Y they are solving and too fixated on the details of their particular situation. It is generally best to ignore such people until they define their problem better.

[–]LupichLazy Sysadmin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost as if most sysadmins are conceited assholes!

But seriously, sysadmins are generally conceited assholes. Having spent a ton of time in the hospitality industry, and then in a call center I can confidently say my soft skills far exceed 99.98% of IT guys I've met and that soft skills get you as far, if not further than, hard technical skills paired with a shitty attitude.

[–]itisok4meJack of All Trades 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stupid post

[–]MurphyLyfe[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought this was about stackoverflow for a minute

[–]Stulanderwanting to get out of IT, maybe I will use a gun 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last time I asked a question there some guy edited my entire post and changed the meaning of my question, and then answered it according to his interpretation of what I wanted.

[–]mattsl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

For the record, I don't think soup counts as food. It's just liquid. I do prefer sandwiches, or pretty much any other actual solid food.

[–]dgriffithJack of All Trades 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we can all agree that some sort of broth is liquid, but what about a thin stew?

Or something like pea and ham soup?

Where do you draw the line? 50 percent solids? When it's still pourable? Cut it with a knife, like you can with jello?

Does the texture of the solids affect this threshold?

What about croutons?

We need a standards committee in here, and quick!

[–]mattsl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thin stew is just soup. Thick stew is ok.

If you need to cut it with a knife, great. If the knife will stand up in it, acceptable. If the knife falls over, bad.

Re croutons: if I have enough bread to sop up all the soup and never need a spoon, that works.

[–]creativeMan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first thing would be someone telling OP that they need to get the hell out of there and find a better job.

[–]im_no_robo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot about migrating the soup to the cloud, you just need to make sure all the soup evaporates.

[–]aXenoWhatsmooth and by the numbers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mods pls change my flair to "soupadmin"

[–]Sandwich247 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, sandwiches are better than soup...

[–]bitreign33 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer to drink my soup, after its cooled, and just bypass the spoon.

[–]zerodamageSr. Sysadmin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I eat my soup with chopsticks. What kind of moron are you?

[–]Worse_Username 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Indian culture it is customary to eat with your hands, without cutlery as a sign of respect for the chef.

[–]pleasedothenerdful 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post and many of its progeny threads are so entertaining to me.

[–]tupcakes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are all doing it wrong. Use bowless soup.

[–]adude00 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to the internet.

[–]RPRob1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I eat my soup with bread. It works for me.

[–]jfireballzLinux Darkside: We have cookies. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy gets the big picture. People are like cats, they don't listen unless they want something, consider all help an attack and refuse to be herded unless many other cats are doing the same thing, and the cat community shuns them.

No wonder that IT managers are called cat herders.

[–]TheElusiveFox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone will challenge that and claim they have 25 years of experience and they use a fork.

Forks are just a branch of spoon that no one likes... all the pros use Spork.

[–]eyessewnopen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I eat soup with a fork.

[–]tomkatt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look, I'm tired of being told to eat soup with a spoon. We in IT have all kinds of setups and sometimes a spoon isn't the best answer. I mean, sure, for a lot of cases it's great, but are you really going to tell me that a spoon is the best option for soup that's frozen, or gaseous after boiling?

Nice thread, Cranky. On the nose, even when being facetious.

[–]mtfw 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're not using a grilled cheese sandwich distro to sop up all of that delicious soup, you're an idiot and should quit the profession.