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[Serious] Is MGTOW feminism for men? (self.MGTOW)

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[–]JStheHammer 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. We are not a male supremacy movement.

[–]lonewolf-chicago 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

MGTOW is about sovernty from government mandate (alimony, stealing resources aka divorce rape).

It is also about mitigating risk in the workplace and personal life (false rape accusations, bullshit sexual harrasment charges)

It is also about Not being used by women for resources (labor, money) "can you carry this?" "How about buying me a drink?"

[–]mentalidade_logica 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Negative!

Feminism is a powerful advocacy movement, a supremacy cult. MGTOW are individuals who have adopted the motto "I Don't Care".

Feminism advocates to make changes that harms males. MGTOW is a natural allergy to those pro-active changes.

[–]ikhwan_arif 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

MGTOW isn't about equality, it isn't exactly about men's rights (though it may or may not overlap), it certainly isn't a political movement.

MGTOW is about self-ownership.

It is about the individual man taking back sovereignty of his life and well-being.

It is about living life for your own sake, making your own decisions, being accountable for your own happiness, striving for your own goals in life without being shackled.

MGTOW is about exploring and discovering what it really means to be you, how to achieve the best version of you with your own blood, sweat and tears.

To achieve this, we must first discard everything that does not matter, discard that which does not benefit you as the individual, discard what society wants you to believe especially that which causes you harm for their benefit.

MGTOW is about breaking free of the shackles of tribal identity with critical thought, reason and logic.

MGTOW is about thinking yourself, for your own good.

MGTOW is not about the group, it is not about the moniker.

MGTOW is not about men, it is about Man.

MGTOW is about you.

Because you matter, in a world where people think you don't matter at all.

MGTOW is about freedom, in a world where everyone wants to chain you to their agenda.

MGTOW is about you.

Because in your most desperate time, the one person that should matter the most is you.

MGTOW is about you.

Go your own way.

[–]PinkHatPurpleNipples[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This intense focus on one's self, with all due respect, seems like a pathway to mold yourself into a hedonistic, self-important narcissist. Sure, it's good to break free and discover what you feel is important in life, but I believe that you are doing more harm than good when you intentionally isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the sake of "going your own way". I've sensed some anti-capitalistic, anti-women themes in some other user's posts and comments, users speaking of quitting their jobs and refusing to speak with women, all because (and this is a direct quote from a user) "fuck society".

It all just sounds like everyone is trying to live out a fantasy of being Brad Pitt's character in Fight Club.

This isn't to say that there aren't some great things going on here; there are examples of positive results displayed here. But to a certain degree, this "I do not care" attitude comes with the price of leaving its users unempathetic and apathetic to the world around them to the point that they believe that they themselves are the only thing that matters.

discard that which does not benefit you as the individual

There are times when you may have to compromise in order to achieve genuine, long-term happiness. And I don't see MGTOW as the all-encompassing solution.

[–]Bencho101 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So lets break it down, shall we ?

This intense focus on one's self, with all due respect, seems like a pathway to mold yourself into a hedonistic, self-important narcissist.

Improving yourself is hedonistic, self-important narcissistic ? If so, yes

but I believe that you are doing more harm than good when you intentionally isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the sake of "going your own way".

We are not isolating ourself form the world. Its not like we are cutting away contact from rest of the world and becoming a monk in a forest (although you can do that).

We are just cutting away from traditional (often loss making) form of life.

I've sensed some anti-capitalistic, anti-women themes in some other user's posts and comments, users speaking of quitting their jobs and refusing to speak with women, all because (and this is a direct quote from a user) "fuck society".

Anti- capitalistic ? On the contrary, MGTOW people will be some of the most capitalist people you will find, closer to anarcho-capitalist. Who else is able to save > 50% of income and invest it for future technology/infrastructure.

As for refusing to speak to woman, its their personal choice on individual level.

It all just sounds like everyone is trying to live out a fantasy of being Brad Pitt's character in Fight Club

Good for you, we don't care what it sounds like.

This isn't to say that there aren't some great things going on here; there are examples of positive results displayed here. But to a certain degree, this "I do not care" attitude comes with the price of leaving its users unempathetic and apathetic to the world around them to the point that they believe that they themselves are the only thing that matters.

Well all individual will value themselves more than others to some degree. Think about that.

There are times when you may have to compromise in order to achieve genuine, long-term happiness. And I don't see MGTOW as the all-encompassing solution.

If you think so, we deeply differ in our view of happiness than you. Only you can make yourself happy, it sometimes does require compromise.

Just not the ones you would like for us

MGTOW is not the solution for society, its for the individual. Society has to figure out that for itself.

[–]ikhwan_arif 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are times when you may have to compromise in order to achieve genuine, long-term happiness.

Very good. Anyone living and having a stake in the real world understands this well. This realisation is critical for anyone wanting to go his own way.

And I don't see MGTOW as the all-encompassing solution.

Double score. No one in MGTOW ever said it was. This is only a false attribution to those that don't understand it. MGTOW isn't a manual, it is a merely guide that the man utilises as he forges his own way.

[–]soelc3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Adding a [Serious] tag and not even bothering to write a single word to explain what you mean.

Low effort trolling.

[–]rider450 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

well they say that it's not the same because it's not trying to push a change in society

MGTOW don't rally up in the streets when someone they don't like gets elected, for example. which is what makes MGTOW simply a label rather than a movement. but some of the ideas they follow, i find eerily similar to some feminist ideas.

[–]mentalidade_logica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

but some of the ideas they (as in MGTOW) follow, i find eerily similar to some feminist ideas.

How so?

[–]rider450 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

awalt gender flipped sounds like a feminist motto

i go by the idea that most people are unlikable regardless of gender and anyone male or female can be a good person

[–]mentalidade_logica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

i go by the idea that most people are unlikable regardless of gender and anyone male or female can be a good person

That's basically the same concept I hold which is, I'm initially neutral towards everyone until I get to know them.

awalt gender flipped sounds like a feminist motto

Hum! "awalt" = all women have vaginas. And yes, all vaginas are gynocentric by Nature, they have to be otherwise our species would not have survived. Incidentally, this is indicative of large female mammals too. The problem with gynocentrism is that feminism has turned women into legal Fallopian tubes with fangs. So yes "awalt" is very legit be it by Nature, by Daddy Government or a combo.

Let me ask you, given you do not accept the term 'awalt', am I correct assuming you are or will seek a female companionship, and if so do you have any concerns about her Daddy Government?

[–]rider450 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i'm not looking for a woman i am an mgtow just like you

[–]mentalidade_logica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, I checked your comments. If you are not seeking female companionship then obviously you have adopted thus you believe in the term 'awalt' for one reason or another, no? Unless of-course you are completely asexual, but that's a rarity.

[–]exit-stage-right2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. Not even close. Feminism forces everyone(man, woman, child) to conform. We don't give a shit what society does with the concept of MGTOW.

[–]ADrunkCanadian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. Feminists rally and protest. Mgtow wont bother to even show up.

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[–]secant128 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism is about more government and more laws catering towards women and censoring all those that disagree with them.

Mgtow is about freedom from gynocentrism and social expectations and instead focusing on yourself your goals and passion.

You have to remember the core of feminism is cultural marxism and feminism compared to mgtow is like authoritarianism and collectivism vs freedom and individualism. Therefore, no mgtow is not feminism for men, its deeper than that.

[–]tribalbandit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We will know once manbearpig returns.

I'm serial

[–]bonusfruit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The assertion doesn't even possess enough substance to be wrong or right. It's a non question. There is no feminism for men. Even men's rights doesn't equate to feminism for men. At no point will any significant number of people advocate for a system that benifits males over females.

[–]dot_dot_beep 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mgtow + buddhism/stoicism = you cannot be fucked with

[–]PinkHatPurpleNipples[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tried looking into the whole Buddhism craze, but I cannot see how this eastern religion fits into the lifestyle of the modern man. Sure, meditation has its benefits, but what else does Buddhism offer? In this day and age, isolating yourself in a cave for 20 years is not an option. Starving yourself of any and all desire will turn you into an incel. The pursuit of nirvana is a pipe dream. Self-improvement is masturbation.

[–]Bencho101 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Buddhism offer?

The things that you don't value.

In this day and age, isolating yourself in a cave for 20 years is not an option. Starving yourself of any and all desire will turn you into an incel.

You have to be foolish if you consider all MGTOW are going to became incel.

Most of us will take part in society. However there will be an mental disconnect, of what is good for society and what is for the individual.

Over long term there might very well be major disconnect. For now, its only minor ones.

[–]Bencho101 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well i did reply to OP's comments.

Looks like i am shadow banned.

[–]Rhodesius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some people definitely have the attitude of inverse feminism. A lot of male superiority gets preached and if you ask me men can be just as shitty as women. Men just get less from relationships these days.