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    [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (58子コメント)

    Hi Lu,

    We meet again. How very nice. I so enjoy your arguments.

    minimum wage Do you know what average means? Have you ever heard about velocity of money? You are a brilliant international economist are you not?

    It is perfectly fine for companies to make tons of money in profits, but the poor can go suck a lolly. You fully dismiss how the Neoliberal bastards and their kind friends, you know, the Elite Globalists have moved some 70K factories out of America. Thank you Bill Clinton, and Bush II, and Obama. Look there if you want to know why the middle class is suffering.

    lobbying

    Here is more of your bullshit. Membership in unions is terribly down. It has been in decline for very many years. Go learn about Patco, the union that Ronald Reagan fully destroyed and you will see how long this decline has been in place.

    social security

    More bullshit from Lu!

    Oh how you and your friends would love to take Americas funds in retirement planning better known as Social Security and use it to line your pockets. Bush, the Retard tried this and so did the Hope President, you know the Elite Globalist Obama.

    cost of pills

    Yet, more bullshit! Screw any foreign supplier. What America needs to do is to break the pharma monopoly and price rigging that fully exists and have Medicare negotiate for new pricing per Bernie's proposed legislation.

    making the rich pay their share

    If the average Elite in the 1% pays 25% of the income in taxes, why so many off shore accounts, you know, like in Panama. Riddle me this you amazingly brilliant economist?

    Oh yeah, I feel so sad that the ultra rich are having to pay for accountants and lawyers to not get HURT by the tax increase.

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      [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (56子コメント)

      Truly, the CHIEF APOLOGIST & LIAR for THE CORPORATIST is what YOU are, or are trying to be, never mind you really suck at it.

      In a nutshell, you are clearly the paid-off employee whose job is to lie, twist, make up crap as the head or Chief Explainer, Liar and Apologist for the wonderful, superior set of conditions that ALL American should simply love. Keep it up, keep working on it, you are NOT doing well at all.

      minimum wage

      No matter what you do, those jobs are never coming back because they're not economical. . .

      Again, you do not address the missing factories but talk about an entirely different matter. If the output is so fantastic, when are the employees going to benefit from it? Please answer that question. That's right, you never answer, you just throw up another smoke screen. Where did all that income go? Who is benefitting fully if not the corporations directly? What American workers get are simply the crumbs never mind their tremendous output and loyalty of their labor.

      Of course, you are fully a fan of NAFTA! Screw America, move to create one trading block inclusive of Mexico and Canada. So much the better given that it will become easier to control. You know, like the failed EU travesty that is coming apart.

      lobbying

      I've got news for you. Have you heard of At-Will employment? Do you even know what that means? Was that not a part of your script?

      There are very many surviving unions now that fully destroy your lies. I can list them but won't given how you would then know who to go and try to destroy next.

      But nobody likes being fired because "seniority" needed a desk job and so the union fired the youngest, most qualified . . .

      This is what I call total and free-standing Bullshit!

      Repeat a lie often enough and very many will eventually begin to believe it. Nice try! Only the facts fully contradict your feeble lies.

      social security

      1.) I'm fresh out of college and a minimum wage worker, what do you mean, "my friends and . . .

      What? I guess, that magnificent degree you claim to have is fully crap. Sadly, nobody told you what the consequences are of getting a mail-order degree or are you getting exposed for what you are? I think the latter is actually spot on.

      2.) Do you know why bush and Obama, who are opposite parties, both pushed for it? Because there has not been a SINGLE case where a persona . . .

      Upon getting shot, a certain Mr. Regan joined the pod. As in: (Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama) all peas in the same pod. No opposite parties, simply two sides of the same coin. Did you get that, or do I have to break that down some more for you?

      Address the questions I posed, why don't you? Lovely, keep talking in circles with made up crap and expect me to buy. I don't think so pal. To date, you have implied and confirmed all too much and supplied not a shred of factual information. You would have better luck making it snow in the Sahara. Again, repeat the lie, and keep on repeating the big lie.

      Here is an important tip for you. The entire open market is a farce. Bernie has said as much, as have many others. This is precisely what you and so many other Corporatists want. Get Americans to move away from Social Security. Dump all of their hard-earned money into the markets controlled by the Globalist Bankers, and then crash it as fast as is possible.

      Of course, the Banking cartel pulls out at precisely the right time, and then they tell Americans, oops, so sorry, your retirement funds are lost. Gone forever, so sorry, that is part of the risk you take in the open markets. We told you so. Now shut up and get back to work, production output is too low.

      Look at chile's system if you want to see a foreign nation's personal savings account in action. Actually wait, I forgot that you don't like dirty foreigners,

      Chile is an entirely different country and the parameters are fully different. Once again you compare apples to lemons. This argument fully puts your entire so-called "credentials" in question. Get a clue, better yet, go to a real American University and learn something. If you want, I can help you choose a fine institution for said purpose.

      Your effort to portray me as a xenophobe or some sort of foreigner-hating person is truly childish and blatantly comical. I guess when you have zero argument to offer, that's what you were told to say. Good luck with that.

      Given your considerable wisdom, do you know why it is that when you are on a plane, and if the cabin should decompress, the airlines tell you, when the oxygen mask drops, please put it around your nose and mouth first? Do NOT tend to your child. Have you ever been on a plane?

      Do airlines hate children and others that may be incapacitated? No moron, they want the most able-bodied person to remain strong and calm in order to then help others out as fast as is possible.

      That is why America must first throw out the Corporatists, the Globalist, the Zionist and lock up the lying, cheating, fraudster that are the Neoliberal and Neocons and get back to good health. Once that happens, Americans can look to help others.

      3.) If you want to expand social security, then you only hurt minorities and men. White men and black women can expect . . .

      By Jove I've got it. You must be a Certified Financial Planner. No disrespect to real CFP's, your infantile efforts to show how the market is wonderful and everyone should simply jump into something that is fully rigged are plainly evident. Let me know how much to wire you such that you can try to represent me.

      cost of pills

      While you say "screw the foreigner" what you actually mean is "I'd rather Americans die from easily preventable causes rather than pay a dirty foreigner even 4 dollars."

      You are a real screw-up. I never approved $4. You gave a $2 raise without my consent. Is that how you are going to manage my funds? I am not happy with that. Like The Donald would say, YOU ARE FIRED!

      When you get past the lies supplied to you to spread on this site, and elsewhere, do tell me why Bernie's proposal to have Medicare negotiate drug costs is so vehemently opposed by everybody that is on the take?

      making the rich pay their share

      . . . Just because SOME people (mostly corporations) use tax havens, that doesn't mean that everyone does. . .

      Oh ok, sure, silly me, I get it. It is perfectly fine for some, a few, the blessed one's, to cheat, to steal from America's hard work and effort, just as long as it is not done by everybody.

      If you are so in the know, and have such vast knowledge, please tell me why it was that every single American individual and every single American firm on the Panama Papers files were summarily blocked? Better yet, why not publish the entire set of documents for all Americans to learn and see. Riddle me this dear wizard, you seem to know ALL and have ALL the answers.

      Enough said, no more time to waste, you are fully my nominee for:

      LIAR OF THE DAY! This day and every day.

      Have an awesome day, and tell your friends I send my regards.

      [–]Lu___ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (55子コメント)

      "you do not address the missing factories but talk about an entirely different matter."

      What missing factories? Our manufacturing exports have grown by 250%.

      If the output is so fantastic, when are the employees going to benefit from it?"

      The "employees" weren't the ones who caused the increase in productivity, so why would they get a pay raise? Instead, employers pay workers the same, and lower the cost of their goods. When the cost of goods get lowered, everyone is effectively richer.

      "Please answer that question.  That's right, you never answer",

      actually I have always answered your questions, however I can't say the same of you.

      Where did all that income go?

      It went to make goods cheaper and our exports more competitive, which is why our exports have grown by 250%., And because everything is cheaper, Americans have been able to afford so more more, which is why our imports have grown as well.

      "Of course, you are fully a fan of NAFTA!  Screw America, move to create one trading block inclusive of Mexico and Canada." 

      Do you believe in climate change? Well, congrats for listening to 97% of scientists. You don't believe in free trade? Well, I'm sure you know better than 96% of economists..... You call me elitist? I don't claim to know better than every specialist in a field that isn't my own.

      "Have you heard of At-Will employment?"

      Yes, it's contract based, so you don't get any benefits.

      "There are very many surviving unions now that fully destroy your lies.  I can list them but won't given how you would then know who to go and try to destroy next."

      I fully realize that some unions still exist, why? Because people want to join them, however, that doesn't apply to the vast majority. If people don't want to join a union, they shouldn't be forced to.

      "This is what I call total and free-standing Bullshit!"

      This is what I call lack of a argument.

      "What?  I guess, that magnificent degree you claim to have is fully crap."

      Actually, third term (and my last) for finishing the degree just ended ended last week, because of this, I still hold onto my minimum wage job because I intend to reapply to college for one year longer so I can get a TESL certificate, and I want the flexible work schedule that my minimum wage job gives me. I already have a damn near guaranteed job as a business translator, advisor, or English teacher in a foreign nation. However, this is irrelevant as it didn't pertain to the argument. You are ignoring my arguments just to ad hom my life, because you don't have an argument.

      "Address the questions I posed, why don't you?"

      How can I be any clearer? I'm literally isolating your questions and responding to them (and I'm cutting your dozens of lines of insults in the process), and I have done so with very infrequent divergence or insults. I daresay you have been ignoring my points far more than I yours. Please, by all means make a list of questions that you believe I've missed and I'll respond to them as directly as I have the rest.

      Meanwhile, answer me why you believe you know better than 96% of economists on free trade?

      Meanwhile, address why you think you think that index funds, which in the past 80 years have never suffered any prolonged negative growth (including the great recession) would rob the Americans of their savings? And if privatised social security is so bad, then why has privatised social security in America and in the 20 nations that have it literally never performed worse than America's ponzi scheme. Also if you don't want to, why would you opt out? In a privatised system you aren't required to invest, you could sill keep your government pension, why anyone would do so defies logic, but they're allowed to.

      Meanwhile, explain why you view an increase in the social security tax (which you clearly support, because in my original comment, I said we shouldn't expand social security because it hurts the poor, so because you said that I hate the poor because I don't support a tax increase, you clearly must be for it.), which mainly harms poor workers in the immediate taxes, and harms poor and minority elderly when they retire by not paying back what more than what they contributed, as a good thing?

      "Here is an important tip for you.  The entire open market is a farce. "

      here's an important tip for you, government caused nearly all the issues you blame on that free market.

      "Bernie has said as much, as have many others. "

      holy shit, you talk about the man as if he's a fucking prophet. I'll just ignore the clear fallacy of authority because Sanders isn't an expert on anything.

      " This is precisely what you and so many other Corporatists want.  Get Americans to move away from Social Security".

      Yes, precisely. I'm glad you understand that I want to dismantle the ponzi scheme that harms the poor into a system that'll actually benefit the poor.

      " Dump all of their hard-earned money into the markets controlled by the Globalist Bankers, and then crash it as fast as is possible."

      My money is in index funds, (which let me remind you, over any given decade has NEVER ONCE had a negative growth rate.) So why would I want it to crash? And why would the bankers? They'd lose money too.

      "Of course, the Banking cartel pulls out at precisely the right time, and then they tell Americans, oops, so sorry, your retirement funds are lost."

      As I've said, why would I invest my money to bankers who have done this? And how the fuck would bankers gain? They'd lose money, they'd lose costumers, and they'd never be open for business again. And once again, index funds have never had a decade of bad growth.

      "Chile is an entirely different country and the parameters are fully different.  Once again you compare apples to lemons."

      Holy SHIT your cherry picking skills are truly tremendous, did you not learn your lesson from when you quoted " why should government cut doctors wages by 30%" when in the same fucking sentence I said that doctor's wages should be cut by 90%? I suppose not, because I know how much you hate successful foreigners, I said that there were counties in Texas that opted out of social security, and that they got far better results than the rest of America. Come on dude, just for you I gave you evidence that it worked better in America, using American examples, yet you completely ignored it and said that we can't use foreign countries as an example.

      "Your effort to portray me as a xenophobe or some sort of foreigner-hating person is truly childish and blatantly comical."

      You realized I have done that purely because you repeatedly try to insult my education, which is fucking hilarious because I've not once bragged about my education, I've merely once answered your question of "do you know what supply chains are" with a perfectly reasonable yes, because my education literally requires it. However, you have, on multiple occasions said that you'd rather Americans go without good doctors or cheap pills because the money would go to a foreigner. That statement is simply a fact. And as such, I have found it amusing that you get offended whenever I point out you are denying Americans care because the money goes to foreigners. While I've been calling you racist, I've been doing it in a trollish matter because I was wondering if you'd start to understand the irony in your numerous insults towards me. But alas, I was expecting too much from someone who appears to take debating and English  lessons from Donald  Trump.

      " do you know why it is that, when you are on a plane, when the oxygen mask drops, please put it around your nose and mouth first? 

      Do you know why, if a person starts choking , we wouldn't deny a person trained in cpr from helping that person because they're a foreigner, and we should wait until an American comes along to help? Because that's seen as harmful and racist.

      "Do airlines hate children and others that may be incapacitated?  No moron, they want the most able-bodied person to remain strong and calm in order to then help others out as fast as is possible."

      In your scenario, a more accurate comparison would be you would refuse to let a man wearing an oxygen tank from putting the oxygen tank on other passengers because the man was a foreigner, and you didn't want your fellow passengers to be saved by a foreigner. You say that the other passengers can wait until Americans come to put on their gas masks but the airplane security guard steps up and stops passengers from helping other passengers because there's too many passengers helping, and that means that certain passengers must be stopped from helping because we need to raise the value of the remaining passengers. You then argue that, when not enough passengers get access to assistance, the security guard that caused the lack of abundance should be the one to fix the problem.

      3.) If you want to expand social security,  then you only hurt minorities and men. White men and black women can expect . . .

      haha you say that I dodge questions, yet you LITERALLY dodged this by saying that I'm an evil Zionist corporatist moron. Here's some word of advice bud, ad hominen isn't an argument, it just makes you look like you have no argument.

      "When you get past the lies supplied to you to spread on this site, and elsewhere, do tell me why Bernie's proposal to have Medicare negotiate drug costs is so vehemently opposed by everybody that is on the take?"

      This is why drug negotiation is opposed, I believe that we should pay market price for pills. Negotiation means that we should negotiate down from extreme costs to moderately extreme costs. Quite simply I'd rather pay 4 dollars for a pill than 1,000 than whatever markdown the government would get from 1,000 dollars.

      [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The "employees" weren't the ones who caused the increase in productivity, so why would they get a pay raise? Instead, employers pay workers the same, and lower the cost of their goods. When the cost of goods get lowered, everyone is effectively richer.

      First, employees helped build that which then got improved. Second, let's tax robots. They drain on the resources same as people do, and they exist here as we do, need to fund like we do, or it all doesn't work.

      Second, "trickle down" failed. You can say "effectively richer" all you want, but the growing, ugly realities as well as a growing body of data on improving wages linked to positive economic outcomes stand in firm, undeniable contradiction.

      As things progress, you will find the audience receptive to your arguments will continue to decline as the standard of living does.

      Failure to value people well enough to fund a reasonable standard of living insures a decline in said standard.

      There is no getting around this. It's real, all around you.

      I won't respond further to this.

      [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (53子コメント)

      Dear Liar of the Day!

      holy shit, you talk about the man as if he's a fucking prophet. I'll just ignore the clear fallacy of authority because Sanders isn't an expert on anything.

      Right there, right here, in this specific comment, ALL your own, is the reason why you are here!

      You are not here to learn, you are not hear to listen, you are not hear to catch up on the news of the day, you are not here to grow.

      You are a college student, so say you, but you apparently know ALL. You have apparent mastery of all too many subjects yet now, in this latest note you confess that you have yet to graduate. As I said, before, Liar of the Day!

      Do you remember this? Is this not your comment?

      . . . fucking international business and economics major)

      When your failed arguments are refuted like so much rubbish, you start cursing. Sad, rather pathetic I say.

      You are clearly working on some cockamamie agenda, per some direction, for whomever it is that is paying you to fully try to change the narrative, to distract, to lie, and to work on your assigned task. According to you, everything is simply wonderful in America! No need for a Progressive voice that is telling it like it is. Right? And, when I call you out on this, right here, per your very own words, you will go on with some bullshit that you make up along the way. Sure, right, I just hate foreigners. You are so bright that you clearly missed the history lesson that everybody agrees with.

      ALL present day Americans are foreigners in this land. Duhhh! The only people that are truly Americans per the European name chosen for this land are the native "American" indians. In fact, please know that that makes me a foreigner too. Kindly go back and review that particular history lesson on Google U.

      What more need be said? Again, your purpose here is to dilute the message, the action, the energy that is to be had in the effort to get a Progressive leader like Sanders either in the White House, or some other office whereby he would help ALL Americans, including YOU. If not this, then you have some serious issues that you should address promptly.

      No, Senator Sanders is not God, or any such thing, at least not to me. Nor does he claim to be. He is flawed like ALL of US, with YOU as the significant exception. What I believe is that Sen. Sanders is an honest man, a man of integrity, a man that remembers and wants to support an America from a time past perhaps whereby everybody had opportunity for growth and success, never mind what is happening today. I support that ideal.

      How you arrive and conclude on your assertions based purely on your comments and your scatter-brained ideas is part of your problem that needs serious psychological attention and help. Again, I cannot help you there.

      I will be brief simply because you are a bore and I have wasted enough time on this. How so? You believe that a little of bit of education, via Google U perhaps, is enough such that you, and only YOU know all there is to know. And, while I think that that fantasy is great it is not grounded on fact. In fact, once you graduate, you should start to run the world entire. Is that about right? God help us if that somehow happens. In the meantime, knock yourself out.

      I will only respond to the first few of your asinine comments.

      What missing factories? Our manufacturing exports have grown by 250%.

      Please read this..

      And there is:

      The "employees" weren't the ones who caused the increase in productivity, so why would they get a pay raise? Instead, employers pay workers the same, and lower the cost of their goods. When the cost of goods get lowered, everyone is effectively richer.

      Please read this. Kindly read this also. And thenthere is also this.

      Of course, I can just see it, if you read all this, you will not like the sources, you will flat out contradict it all, again, I made it up, YOU know all, any other source is inconsequential, but they are all too real, yet it matters not one bit to you. And, you accuse me of "cherry-picking" and assorted other crap. Ok then!

      When a question is asked of you, you are so thin-skinned that I can just see you crying, and bouncing off the walls, pulling your hair. That said, you need to grow up a whole lot before I can even start to have an adult conversation with you. I suggest you reach out to me again in some 30 years. NO, please scratch that. You truly are a confused puppy. How sad! Double :(

      If you are perhaps writing to me believing that I am your Mommy, you are fully mistaken. You need to go elsewhere to suckle as much as you need in order to address whatever your needs truly are. I can't help you there.

      Do have a great graduation, a wonderful life and good luck on your way to becoming that millionaire, and famous world leader that you desperately want to be.

      Expect me to no longer waste my time.

      [–]Lu___ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (52子コメント)

      When your failed arguments are refuted like so much rubbish, you start cursing."

      Haha, have you READ your original post, you know the "fuck the poor" one? (edit, both spud and verum were replying to me, so I got mixed up which one was which, my apologies for the mix up.)

      You offered shitty arguments and cursed every other word. And when you couldn't refute my arguments, 80% of your posts turned into insults. Do you know how I can tell that you're out of arguments? You've had to insult me repeatedly to defend your views, I haven't. 

      According to you, everything is simply wonderful in America!  No need for a Progressive voice that is telling it like it is.

      Nope, I believe that, while everyone but the bottom 5% has benefited from globalization, the gains have been incredibly skewed towards the rich. Thus, I want to implement wage subsidies that create a wage floor equal up to 1/2 the nations average earning, and if you earn below the wage floor, instead of paying taxes,  you'll recieve half the remaining money needed to get you to the wage floor. This way, even though it's not the worker that's caused the increased productivity, they still benefit from globalization. This, of course, would be funded by taxing the rich. 

      I also want to end all tax deductions and lower the tax rates for all brackets,  because I believe that our tax code is so long and so complicated, that it's led to crony capitalism and a tax code that favours the rich. 

      I also want to have the top tax rate fluctuate based off of what % of your workforce is earning above the poverty line. If all your workers earn above the poverty line,  then your tax rate will be 20% (lower than what the average person in the top 1% pays in taxes), and if all of your workforce earns poverty wages, then your tax rate will be 35%.

      I also believe that our current social security system redistributes money from the poor and minority to the benefit of women and rich people. To fix this, I want to make a social security system that benefits the poor and middle class by giving them the power of compound interest. And I want to have the system be a force to end poverty. Imagine if you were only allowed to take out 2,000 dollars a month from your personal savings account (3 times what poor people get from social security), there'd be so much left over money that even people earning minimum wage could pass wealth down to their children. So this way, every child born, even to those born in poverty, have 100,000 dollars in the bank that repeatedly compounds until they retire, where they'll pass down 300,000 to their children. 

      There's so many other issues I believe America has, police brutality, ever increasing healthcare and university pricing, our insane military spending, the list goes on. However, I don't believe that the left has the best solutions. And, unlike you, I don't believe that my personal views are THE ONLY WAY to help the poor. 

      Sure, right, I just hate foreigners.  You are so bright that you clearly missed the history lesson that everybody agrees with."

      Do you mean the history where every time a nation has opened up their market, they've gotten richer? Do you mean the history where every single nation that's privatised social security has performed so much better than those that haven't? Do you mean the history where allowing poor people to improve their lot has never harmed the middle class? 

      ALL present day Americans are foreigners in this land."

      I am mixed race, my white side is just as American as everyone else in my family. Regardless, I never claimed that all white people are foreigners, all I said was that letting foreigners in doesn't harm anyone.

      your purpose here is to dilute the message, the action, the energy that is to be had in the effort to get a Progressive leader"

      if your message has to be protected from arguments in order to not weaken it, then maybe it's not a good message. Look, I voted for Sanders in my state (Minnesota), but I don't agree with everything he says. I voted for him because I felt like he was the lesser of the evils. 

      "like Sanders either in the White House, or some other office whereby he would help ALL Americans, including YOU."

      Well clearly I don't believe that his policies would benefit me or else we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

      "He is flawed like ALL of US, with YOU as the significant exception."

      You're the one who thinks that their views are infallible. I accept that my positions may be wrong, and I'm willing to look at other people's ideas.  Because I don't believe that I know everything, and that nobody knows everything, I don't want the government to have supreme control over my,  or anyone else 's, lives. You however, believe not just that you know better than everyone else,  but that you could use the government as an authoritarian would, to implement policies. 

      What I believe is that Sen. Sanders is an honest man, a man of integrity.

      As do I, hence why I voted for him. But good intentions don't equal good results. 

      You believe that a little of bit of education, is enough such that you, and only YOU know all there is to know.

      Actually, I have enough education to 1.) Not get my information from blogs, as you seem to do, And

      2.) To know that nobody knows enough to wield supreme power over anyone else's lives. All of my policies revolve around the freedom of choice, all yours revolves around forced compulsion. 

      "you should start to run the world entire.  Is that about right?"

      Stop projecting.  You want to use the government to carry out your goals, I just want the government out of my life so I can pursue my own goals without forcing it on anyone.

      "Please read this"

      oi dumbass,  your link says that manufacturing jobs have decreased, while manufacturing has increased. So your own link proves me right. to quote one of your links

      "They say it's [the manufacturing economy is] just changing. The sector's output grew for a decade through 2000 before weakening during the economic downturn in 2001 that swept across the economy but hit the manufacturing sector hardest. And economists say the change in manufacturing, albeit painful, is healthy for the sector and for the overall economy in the long run."

      "It's good for us to displace low-wage, manual kinds of labor with higher-skill, higher-tech, higher-education-content labor," says Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President William Poole, who compares what's happening with the decline in agricultural employment of the early 20th century."

       oi, once again, read your links. those links directly tied output factories made per worker. That doesn't mean that workers did more work, it means that automation replaced workers and the ones who remained kept their current jobs. 

      To quote your second link, "In the past 20 years, the US economy has grown nearly 60 percent. This huge increase in productivity is partly due to automation, the internet, and other improvements in efficiency."

      "you will not like the sources."

      Nope, I love them, they prove my point. I just wish that they were actual data from a study or the irs rather than from a blog.

      "you will flat out contradict it all."

      Nope, I agree with your links, our manufacturing has increased since NAFTA, and I agree with you links that,  because of automation, the people who remain will, technically, have a Larger output per person. But they themselves didn't cause the increase in production, automation did. 

      And, you accuse me of "cherry-picking"

      I do indeed,  twice you've quoted me when the next sentence that you left out directly contradicted what you quoted out of context, and you appear to not read your own sources, even if they are just shitty blogs.

      When a question is asked of you, you are so thin-skinned that I can just see you crying, and bouncing off the walls, pulling your hair."

      I have yet to post paragraphs of insults, opting instead to answer your questions directly. You however, have no other alternative to insult,  as the second I prove your arguments incorrect, you call me a liar instead of proving me wrong. It's quite sad actually. I wish you would've tried to give me convincing arguments rather than insult me, had you done so, you could've changed my mind.

      [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      And just to confirm, once again here is your reason for being on this sub, here it is, in your very own words:

      holy shit, you talk about the man as if he's a fucking prophet. I'll just ignore the clear fallacy of authority because Sanders isn't an expert on anything.

      You just hate Sanders, you just hate anything having to do with opposition to HER, and your twisted agenda. Is that it? Sure seems like it.

      Take a read here. Enjoy all the condemning facts and truth about the EVIL QUEEN.

      [–]Lu___ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Haha holy shit I can't tell who's better at cherrypicking, you or (edit verum) spud, but you really helped prove my point. I said that you approach everything as if your beliefs are infallible, and go on from there. So it makes sense why you just took that quote out of context, if you put it in context, you can't call me a shill.

      But you know, if I hated Bernie Sanders, why would I have voted for him? Oh wait, I forgot, you didn't actually read my comments, you just find an out of context quote to insult me over.

      [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Hello Moron/Liar/Shill of the Day!

      You are so confused and getting so tangled up with your pseudo arguments and scatterbrain lies that you are now sending your responses to the wrong people.

      How does this next comment, per your very own note as misdirected to me jibe with another two of your prior comments immediately below?

      But you know, if I hated Bernie Sanders, why would I have voted for him?

      Sure you did.

      Look, I voted for Sanders in my state (Minnesota), but I don't agree with everything he says. I voted for him because I felt like he was the lesser of the evils.

      And, Killary is simply an angel.

      holy shit, you talk about the man as if he's a fucking prophet. I'll just ignore the clear fallacy of authority because Sanders isn't an expert on anything.

      And Shillary is a saint waiting to be canonized. Bet you can't wait to attend the ceremony.

      Did you finish reading the ugly truth about your Goddess, you know, Hill? I can send you so much more but why bother. She is a two-time loser waiting to become a three-time loser.

      I may have to call scumbag Brock myself and tell him to fire you for doing a crappy job. Go back to ESS, or ShareBlue and keep drinking the magic potion they force-feed you over there. This is not a retirement home full of sick 90 year olds where you can simply spread your lies and cheat to get our votes. Your agenda ain't gonna work here!

      All the while, do tune in to CNN to get the latest and biggest pack of lies known to mankind.

      Take a hint and get lost moron. You are simply a terrible cockroach shill!

      [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

      By the way, I'm the author of "FUCK THE POORS!"

      Carry on, want another shovel? LMAO

      [–]Lu___ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

      I know you are, and that doesn't change my arguments in the slightest.

      [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      You will have a better time of all this should you ask, rather than tell.

      I'll throw you a bone:

      Take the economics model you favor now and ask yourself what it is predicated on. What and how we value things.

      Value people differently, and the same model supports progressives. A diamond has high artificial value, as an example.

      Next, look at modern monetary theory. We can invest at any time, get the returns, pay down non investment debt, not affect the world use and trust in our dollar, and make ourselves worth more and put our people to work.

      This is compatible, and in fact, a direct implication of the economics you advocate here.

      It is not that people don't believe, or are ignorant. They would make different choices.

      Economics is not a hard science. It's roots are human, and are political and behavioral.

      Your mode of debate here is ineffective on those who get this.

      I have personally validated both of these observations with very well educated economists.

      Others have too. They are out there, published, peer reviewed.

      This is all about the choices we make as people. Priorities and value recognition.

      I was hoping you might ask, open the door, but you did not.

      [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You are really giving ample evidence, by the buckets, no, by the truckload, to the old proverb, "You can't fix stupid"!

      That said, please tell me, how stupid are you? Instead of Liar of the Day, a better title for you would perhaps be, Moron of the Day.

      Why do I say this you may ask? I briefly scanned the latest trash that you wrote. You get it all wrong right from the start.

      Haha, have you READ your original post, you know the "fuck the poor" one? You offered shitty arguments and cursed every other word. And when you couldn't refute my arguments, 80% of your posts turned into insults. Do you know how I can tell that you're out of arguments? You've had to insult me repeatedly to defend your views, I haven't.

      It may come as a surprise to you, but I am NOT the OP on the subject you actively chose to respond to. I am the OP on the Single-payer post. Both of these do NOT fit with the narrative you are trying to change. What other posts are you actively trying to engage in order to confuse, to alter, to dilute, and to change the narrative to fit your needs?

      Thus my revised assessment, and per your own note, Moron of the Day!

      The Poors note is such that I support it. I support it because I have seen the damage done to the middle class. It does not attack anyone specifically, thus no personalization. Rather, it speaks to all the things that are fully wrong such that very many Americans will continue to suffer. While fortunate, I myself have seen all too many suffer at the hands of the active hideous economic policies enacted by Reagan, Clinton, Bush I and II and lastly, Obama. It did not have to be that way. But of course, fully as a 20-24 year old you know better, right? You have lived it all? You have first hand experience, right? Truth is that you are full of xhit.

      And this is to my point that there is no sense in engaging with you because you offer nothing other than conjecture. Simply put, what you say, write and comment is fully fact, verified, and golden, and nothing else much matters. Yet, nothing is further from the truth.

      That fabulous study on economics that you noted is total crap. You know who funds that questionable "think tank"? Well, it is none other than the Popplestone Foundation, among others. Stay with me now. You know who funds the Popplestone Foundation, none other than Enanta Pharmaceuticals, and Enanta-Bioventures. Did they put you up to this? Why don't you tell me about these firms? I shall stop here.

      You nonsense about being a student, and all the other dribble you wrote is simply stuff you make up along the way. Fact of the matter is you wanted to impress me with your credentials, to then state later on that you had not even graduated yet. Nevertheless, you have zero working experience in Economics yet you are fully expert in it. How does that even work? Do you see the stupidity of your assertions? Never mind, I retract that question because it fully destroys all your bullshit.

      fucking international business ....

      Your comment, fully yours, and you can't hide from it. You can lie about it, but that is all it is.

      All you care about is attacking all that would NOT benefit your patrons.

      BTW, I shall send a note to the Nobel prize friends that I know in order to nominate you for the ultimate prize in Economics given how you have just learned all about compound interests.

      Your time would be better spent, finishing your "education", and then going back to ESS, or Daily Kos, or ShareBlue, or wherever the hell you crawled out from. Give it a rest!

      [–]RuffianGhostHorseOur Beating Heart 💜 Gypsy Monsoon 🌊 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (27子コメント)

      Ummm ... what's sad is the length of your wasted effort.

      Actually. It's too bad, too; I'm sure there are many other voters you can convince of your Wisdoms, otherwise.

      This one, however ... is pretty set with their own determinations.

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        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (22子コメント)

        As for being calm, etc...

        Here's the deal: When you are arguing for people to be devalued, they take that personally.

        You should not only expect less than nice commentary in response to doing that, but understand why.

        Nobody, except for those with the most, taking too much and looking for more, appreciates your efforts.

        See how that works?

        Hope so. No regrets here. You should take some shit. Ugly words for ugly ideas and all that.

        [–]RuffianGhostHorseOur Beating Heart 💜 Gypsy Monsoon 🌊 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        (I was speaking about the person you were speaking, to... them. I just happen to know of their opinions.)

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        To sum up here:

        Poor pride? God forbid a poor State actually improve it's overall standard of living!

        Fuck unions? Surely we can't have people working together for better compensation and work conditions.

        Social Security? God forbid we actually insure that people have some basic dignity in their later years. Notice we've gutted perfectly reasonable pension plans, replaced them with gambling via 401K, and now we've got a generation of Seniors bleeding what's left of the middle class dry for lack of income and any way to earn it.

        Agree with you on drug pricing.

        And your last point: let's just squeeze even more out of the over 60 percent of us already fucked economically and the corporations will be happy with that? They never are happy, want too much, want more, and that's why we are having this entire discussion!

        Frankly, you are way off base here. I won't respond again. Not worth my time.

        [–]MIGsalund 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        You forgot that we are fighting against the gutting of net neutrality as well.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Do you mean, "gut the net?" Like the poors don't need real Internet?

        [–]MIGsalund 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Nope. I mean, that certainly would fit within the piece, but I meant specifically in the part about what we are actually fighting for.

        Preserving net neutrality is our only hope of getting out of this oligarchic nightmare.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Oh cool. Yeah, I'll make an edit.

        Nice catch :D

        [–]MIGsalund 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Nice post!

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thanks. This will pretty it up just a bit more. Nice!

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Be careful, you know what happens to potatoes when they get fired up.

        [–]NetWeaselSCContinuing the Struggle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Be careful, you know what happens to potatoes when they get fired up.

        Are you saying that maybe he needs to take a little break and get a little baked?

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's gonna happen. Legal here.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If Trump is that bad, then the Democrats can give me what I want, because it's better than more Trump.

        Or do they think that what I want is WORSE than Trump?

        (Spoiler Alert: They do!)

        If you think what I want is better than Trump, then you have no excuse. Give it to me, or I give you more Trump. You can say I'm playing with fire, and maybe I am, but I don't care anymore. I'm calling your bluff. The rich own more firewood than I do, after all.

        If you think what I want is WORSE than Trump? Then you can fuck right off.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's a great line of response. I may use that in the future.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Will sell participation ribbon for food.

        [–]justice_here 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        made me laugh

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Then it was worth it.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        :D

        [–]Bad_Times_Man 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        This is awesome. Also, I read most of this in George Carlins voice. If only he were here.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Saw this. Thank you. I hope you know how great this is to read. Carlin was my rock. That guy who could put reality out there and have us handle it with a laugh. People got better, stronger, smarter just listening to him.

        Big deal for me. Thank you, thank you.

        I still miss him terribly. He's needed.

        [–]RomeisonFire 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        What a bunch of bland, stiff grammar nazis. All the intelligent people are gone.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Some are still there, but no way they can step in that heat. It's hard enough just to cope.

        Feel for them. They need to get out. Good peeps.

        [–]FunLovingMonsterHold Them ACCOUNTABLE! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Ugh, you made me click on that site. :-P

        Great post though!

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        i resisted--& after reading your comment, i'm glad i did. sounds like i didn't miss anything by not doing so :)

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You didn't. The brain drain has been significant.

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        speaking of brains being drained from TOP...i'm sure the "usual suspects" are still there, running around with their pc-correct hammers looking for nails to hit. like dov & bbb, & the rest of the hillary-addicts.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yup. They avoid me near completely. :D

        [–]GryehoundIgnore what they say, watch what they do. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I suppose that exposing the remnants of that gathering as the soulless parasites they are is worth something, but I think you're wasting your time. There are a few charity cases and those with no options still hanging on to their nostalgia over there, but the rank and file that made it worthwhile are all gone.

        Back when I was younger, and still believed that, given real information and time to absorb and consider it, people would come to their senses and put aside the dross of inconsequential hubbub obstructing their view, and get busy fixing these easily fixed problems.

        I was wrong. Further, I wasted more decades fighting the tide after seeing that they have no interest in helping anyone but themselves, even when that meanness personally costs them far more than they can afford.

        Our systems of politics and governance have grown to reflect ourselves. Whether we are an ignorant screaming racist, convinced that life sucks because of those people that don't look like me, or whether I am another faceless drone wasting my life for $250K working in an organization that exists only to make the world a worse place, for a fee, and all of us that are somewhere in between, we are the people that have collectively decided to identify with our abusers and work against everybody else.

        We have the ready-made rationalizations all lined up and provided from even before we know what they mean. Well sure, I develop technology to make missiles more accurate, but I have to provide for my family. I don't want to spend 70+ hours a week addicting innocent people to astronomically overpriced, ineffective drugs, but I've got a mortgage and school loans, I need this income. If it was just me, of course I'd go off and use my talents to help where it's needed, but....

        It never ends. And none of these rationalizations are lies, really, they just make it easier to say "yes" to that deal with evil. After a few years go by, you won't even think about what you're doing to your children, anymore.

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        great comment.

        it reminds me of an old saying that goes, "some see the world, & weep...while others see it as it is, & laugh." (presumably, in exasperation)

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Was 10 minutes to drop. There are readers there. A number of them.

        Some are seeking, many just coping. It's sad.

        you won't even think about what you're doing to your children, anymore.

        I do, will. Sorry.

        [–]JonWood007 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        This is my huge problem with the dems. This is why they're such bags of crap right now. Because they're doing everything possible to avoid the economic issues. They dont wanna discuss economics. They hate discussing economics, unless they're the good guys relative to republicans. They are trying everything possible to steer the discourse away from republicans, hence why they're making trump out to be literally hitler and fear mongering against him.

        Dont get me wrong, theres a lot to critique with trump, but it seems like everything the dems has done has a common thread: they dont wanna face up to the economic issues and be the greater good. They wanna bully, they wanna intimidate, they wanna fear monger, they wanna deflect, they wanna talk about anything else. It's quite clear who the modern democratic party serves, and it's not us.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        They do serve us, but only in the Twilight Zone sense.

        [–]JonWood007 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is strangely accurate.

        [–]GryehoundIgnore what they say, watch what they do. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nothing so dramatic, they just want to keep stealing and stealing ever more, that's what they do, that's all they've ever done. Just look at their records.

        They make themselves rich by making us poor.

        [–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        some one figu red out forma tting

        [–]goshdarnwife 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is probably the best thing I have read here. Amazing.

        [–]Sandernista2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Re the issues listed by SpudDK:

        Nowhere do I find the issue that IMHO underlies the unique inability of the US (as in ALL government bodies ALWAYS) to tackle any but the easiest identity issues:

        THE USA IS AN EMPIRE

        Like it or not, we all live in an empire. One that stretches over nearly the entire globe with only a few pockets of either resistance or counter power (Russia, China, Iran....). Our allies are more like vassals. the "Davos man" is a symbol of our global power. Ours, America's, with everyone else in the west paying homage. Our soldiers are more like the Roman legionnaires of old (we don't pay them enough so they grumble....). Our endemic corruption (which is how I like to think of the influence and bribing by the lobbies) is part and parcel of what happens when you are an empire and must continually find ways to fund the over-reach (how the lobbies hel in that endeavor is complex). The decline and delegitimization of our democratic process, is again, something that happens to empires when they weaken and find it difficult to keep everything together on the domestic front. It sure happened to Rome, and just as it got worse there, it will here. And yes, I have been wondering whether Trump may be our Nero.

        But more than anything, it's the positive energy of the citizens that gets distorted and mischanneled into two "teams" slogging it out. That and the inability of the country's larger economy to sustain the needs of its citizens. These undercurrents something we see now amplified under Trump, having been revving up for the past two-three decades. That because, like all empires we have entered a period of decline. Not a precipitous one, yet, but one that is already quite observable to the naked eye.

        So I look at SpudDK's list of issues and think to myself - it's a good but academic exercise. And screwing the poor? it'll remain a plaintive rant until such time that more Americans are willing to look at the problem in the face and ask the most significant question of them all: do we, as people, want to be part of an empire? if we do, then yes, any and all the listed issues can only be tackled in the margins, except the identity issues that empires don't mind at all. No skin of Empire's back if more gays are given more rights. heck - let them all into the military because the shortage of men means that all must be welcome. Women too - send them to combat duties if they are so inclined. Couch it as "women's rights". And by all means keep those petitions and marches going. It helps sap the populace's energy.

        But if you don't want to be part of an empire, why that is what has to be front and center. It has lots of implications for the economic and social order. But no one, as in NO ONE - even here on WoTB wants to talk about this. Is it just because it's too complicated? is it because it's too uncomfortable/ is it because we don't know how to even begin addressing this issue?

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        THE USA IS AN EMPIRE

        Maybe it's not a coincidence that the two most recent Star Wars movies are about people in the Empire who realize they're bad guys and do something about it.

        [–]SmartAleqPurity Pony Name - Reinbeaux Merkin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I can't say you're wrong--for quite some time now it's struck me how creepy it is that the president of the USA is referred to (seemingly non-ironically) as "the leader of the free world." Man, that's a damned arrogant statement right there, that is, and it makes me cringe every time I hear it. Puts it right out there, don't it?

        [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm not unwilling to discuss it, I think it just never came up.

        Personally, I prefer kind of..isolationalosm? Where we would keep our nose and money out of other countries.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Empire is the sit down every President gets. It's the time when they get scared and they get sold on how it must be.

        The thing is, we have enough, can build enough to be that empire lifting all up without so much pain and anguish.

        People the world over must reject this current empire.

        Keep putting sand in the works, until it becomes worth it to do better by our own.

        [–]Sandernista2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        IOW, a more benign Empire? that was BTW, my answer to my own question about what would Sanders do if he were to become president.

        The good news about trump, if one can call it "good' (it isn't really) is that he will go for a more full throated Empire, pour money into a military already over-stretched and kind of demoralized (based on what I am reading), while sacrificing progress and economic justice in this country. And that is just what Rome did (not like Rome did not have its own "bernies"). As well as the Brits when their Empire started waning. In the fullness of time, the Empire will eat its own citizenry and rob its own coffers, while becoming ever more erratic across the board. The vassals, sensing weakness will start rebelling (check the Phillipines lately!) and new powers will rise, increasingly challenging the empire's dominance (Russia, Russia...China, China!). In the meantime, it'll be bread and circuses for the masses to distract them from the reality of becoming ever poorer.

        Not a pretty prognosis....

        [–]mysteriosala douleur exquise 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Empire

        Yep. I agree. America is Rome and we only have to look to Rome's collapse to see where the US is going.

        the Philippines

        Oh, that's the thing. From a 92% pro-US favorability to having a staunchly Anti-American president in just 2 years. Though it's one of Duterte's less popular stances with 60-70% of those polled against it. I think the Philippines is going to demand more for that fraying alliance but who the hell knows with a president who says one thing and does the other (granted, Duterte's more upfront about screwing people over and killing them than Obama ever was).

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        All why we cannot shut up.

        [–]Sandernista2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I just realized that the issues listed were Bernie's platform. It did look familiar.....but i failed to double check before writing my comment.

        That being said, my original comment remains, and indeed I am reminded of thoughts I had when Bernie was in the running. When i wrote my piece of ten reasons Bernie would have made a good President, back in June or July (forgetting now, it's been a while), I recall thinking - "but there is always that one problem - what would Bernie have done - as president - once informed that the US is indeed an Empire and intends to remain so"?

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He would be making the same calls he is right now. Both parties and the money would oppose. It's an ugly fight. Trillions of dollars.

        He would have put a much better cabinet in though. Tons of work possible through that. Change norms.

        It's possible he could have issued a number of executive orders that make screwing people more difficult and or could trigger various challenges.

        The thing people should keep in mind is he needs help either way.

        As POTUS those calls would be made from a stronger position, but they still need to be made.

        The money owns government. Undoing that takes us becoming government to get power and leverage needed to improve.

        I believe that us why he called for a movement and didn't just make a run for POTUS.

        Doing the stuff we need may not be possible any other way.

        [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We are not wrong here at WotB

        Not one lick. We are about the ideas, and that means being about making it better for all of us, including the least of us. We all know we have families, or others close to us who need us. We know everyone needs health care. We know everyone needs a clean place to live, school, and all that basic stuff.

        Thank you for posting this u/SpudDK! Some things just need to said without holding anything back.

        And, yes, I fully agree, I will NOT shut up!

        [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Epic.

        SpudDK for President.

        FUCK THE RICH.

        [–]Verum_DiceturInvestigate Seth's Murder! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Second this!

        [–]Lithgow42023 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Be the change you seek. Start small. Be willing to find common ground with people whom you have always thought of as enemies.

        [–]GryehoundIgnore what they say, watch what they do. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Start small and die unknown, for nothing.

        Change, and most especially change that goes counter to TPTB, does not happen incrementally nor from the bottom up. Never has, never will.

        Sure the fights and protests go on and the various media outlets of the time and place will jump onto one side or another, but when you look at what really happens, who makes the difference, it is always the comfortable class that makes change happen, and with very few exceptions, they only make it happen when they themselves are made to be uncomfortable.

        There is a study on revolution out that shows that what makes a revolution, successful of failed, is a long-term commitment by 3.5% of the given population.

        It's not the numbers, philosophy, or even means that make revolution, it is that commitment.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        they only make it happen when they themselves are made to be uncomfortable.

        Then let's make them uncomfortable.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Wanted to return to this.

        Ridicule works. It's shitty and they will vilify and attempt to marginalize in response.

        We have the high ground because we can and need to personify all this, humanize it and at that point they have no answers.

        Down deep, we know better and so do they.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Good humor disarms people. One of the guys that runs our D&D games says he knows what kind of humor we like, so when he's playing a character with a high charisma stat, he tries to be as funny as he can, because we tend to view funny characters as allies.

        This is why, of all the people who repeated the chair throwing lie, Colbert was the one who bothered me the most.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah, that was shitty. I couldn't put my finger on exactly why. Thanks. Nailed it. :D

        [–]Lithgow42023 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Or you can do it your way Comrade. What % of the population are you you willing to kill, maim or terrorize to make your revolution?

        [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Be willing to find common ground with people whom you have always thought of as enemies.

        The common ground is class struggle. If you aren't on board with stopping the fucking of the poors, I do not want to know you.

        [–]rundown9Still With Herb 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        But you know ... we do live much better than cavemen - what else do you want?

        ALL HAIL SMART ELECTRONICS!

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Complete with cool moocher and gig apps so we can serve everyone else more efficiently.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Complete with apps that can access your contact list.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        And location so you don't get out of hand.

        Jason Bourne level photo tagging too, just so you need to really mean it, should you intend to hide.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Don't forget the Smurfs that live in your phone:

        http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34444233

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yup. I just lost my removable battery phone and it really sucks.

        Got a Faraday case for the one I have now. There are definitely times I isolate the damn thing. No way in hell can I trust it with some stuff.

        [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Complete with cool moocher and gig apps so we can serve everyone else more efficiently.

        You mean so the poors can bend over and let the rich fuck them more easily?

        [–]helpercat 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We need politicians that know where to direct their blame. Bernie consistently talked about the millionaires and billionaires. Got mocked a bit for that line but he was pointing the finger in the right direction. Trump pointed towards immigrants and the urban working class other. Hillary points towards deplorables and the rural working class other.

        We need to break through that and forget the messaging, distractions, counter-distractions and refocus where that ire belongs. It is tough because talking about the distractions, horse races, scoring points on someone else feeds those dopamine centers. And it is so easy to do with the internet and places like Reddit.

        [–]FThumbIt's not you, it's me. Okay, it's you. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        tl;dr - Fuck The Poors, WCGW?

        [–]rockyaliHoney Serenity! 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        This is my favorite thing you have written so far.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        That makes me super happy! Thank you for it.

        [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        The comments are a total toilet over there. Ewww. It's like r/paidpolitcs

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        All part of what we face. You know plenty read it. Didn't dare comment or rec

        That is a great data point. Why I did it.

        [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        You are right. It was so terrible.

        • related- the traffic gods smiled on me and I was able to scoot around traffic and get in front of a Hillary supporter. I knew she could tell there was no reason for me to get in front of her. Then when it was time for me to exit she looked over and I waved. Put a bounce in my step for hour. REEEAD MY BUMPER STICKER REEEEAD IT.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        :D

        BRAKE CHECK!

        [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        :) I used the rear wiper and cleaner too. Gotta keep it spiffy.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        :D

        That's awesome sauce petty! Love it. (thanks for the rec)

        [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Maybe the best thing ever written on this subreddit.

        [–]rockyaliHoney Serenity! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yep. Instant classic.

        [–]FThumbIt's not you, it's me. Okay, it's you. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Spud, 2am

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        That was TOTALLY IT! Perfect GIF. Had a catch up call with Horse. She's doing shit right now. Can't say more. But it's goooood.

        And that hit.

        Got home, totally disinterested. Yeah, yeah, uhhuh, and then what happened, etc....

        Finally, BOOM!

        Wrote it, grabbed Zig the cat, because some other POOR CAT by the way, is here causing trouble, and snuggled up for a nice sleep.

        (Fed that poor cat too. Bet he got stuffed and warm in the little shed I left open.)

        And Mrs, wonderful Mrs, said, "We can't just leave that cat hungry. It's probably a good kitty, doesn't have anyone."

        Lesson there. The anthropologists define wealth in terms of our time. When we are needy, our time is purposed to the need. When we aren't, our time is free for things we want to do or can do.

        Animals often form packs. That's wealth for them. Frees time. They can take turns, relax, groom, beat back fear.

        As a class, we are wealthy. It's time to beat back fear, blame and shame, take some back.

        It does not have to be this hard for so damn many of us.

        [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I've noticed I don't do a lot of the things I used to do, and I don't miss them. They were a waste of time.

        Even when I used to like Maddow, it felt like a waste of time to sit through an hour of her show every night. It felt like work. Reading the news here doesn't feel like work at all.

        I used to go to the movies about once a week, but I barely go anymore, and I don't miss it. When I do go, they play a bunch of crap before the movie, before the trailers, and I hate it so much. It's worse than a waste of my time, it's propaganda that I have to defend against.

        I like Consumer Reports because there are too many products, and choosing the right one is a waste of time. I want something to limit my choices. I don't even care if the recommendations are good, I just want to edit the list down to a few choices to save time. This is also why I like buying clothes at the Salvation Army. I usually only find a few good shirts, and they're cheap, so I just buy them and I'm done.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Me too. It's damn tough to get me to a movie or long sessions of TV.

        Heh, put down the maddow, breath easy, the first step is really hard, then it gets easier!

        [–]penelopepnortneyPurity Unicorn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It's damn tough to get me to a movie or long sessions of TV.

        Man, that describes me to a T. Glad to know I'm not the only one, my friends all think I'm an alien life form.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Then we both are, lol!

        Aliens UNITE!

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        the words of j k galbraigth come to mind:

        "We can safely abandon the doctrine of the eighties, namely that the rich were not working because they had too little money, the poor because they had much."

        "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."

        "There's no question that this is a time when corporations have taken over the basic process of governing."

        ...& my all-time favorite:

        "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        superior moral justification for selfishness.

        This

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        i know, right?

        if you distill all that is evil in the world, & everything that's fucked up, it all comes down to selfishness.

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        It does.

        This is why good takes work. It's why being FOR politics is important too.

        It's not enough to be against bad, hoping good is left over. No, we just get different and maybe more tolerable bad.

        We have to be for a net good, stand together to actualize it and then remain vigilant lest it slip away.

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        sometimes it seems it would be easier to just give everyone who's selfish a brain transplant or gene replacement therapy, & solve the problem that way :)

        [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        unfuck the poors virus

        [–]bluezenspurity pony name ~ rainbow jellybean 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        :)

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          [–]GryehoundIgnore what they say, watch what they do. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          There are no restraints that can contain capitalism, permanently, and that's why we need to redefine our society, while we still can.

          "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." - John Maynard Keynes

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Indeed. I believe this. It will be cyclic otherwise.

          For now though, I would be content with any meaningful take backs. Just a coupla nice wins could do real good. Momentum, which is why we get fought so hard.

          I believe the tinder is there to catch fire and they do too. We are created by them.

          Just one instance of real left economic policy and the people would catch real fire and GO!

          Honestly, if I had to pick, universal health care as right would be the best, serious wages second best.

          [–]GryehoundIgnore what they say, watch what they do. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          You're spot on there. There's a reason that health care was the central political issue for almost two decades before we got stuck with ACA.

          Socially funded education would work as well.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes. I'm working on an education piece.

          I happen to remember the my entire primary education. Can tell you want we did each year all the way through. Mostly.

          It's kind of amazing to compare to today.

          They have done to education what they are trying hard to do to the Post Office.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yup.

          [–]SA311NY Bernie Delegate, The New Progressive 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Fuck us for being disenfranchised by the Democrat establishment time and time again, right???

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Learn from it, take shit back.

          [–]LoneStarMike59 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This meme I made during the primaries seems appropriate for this thread.

          Ha Ha! They're Poor!

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Bingo!

          [–]whynotnever 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Succinct and gets right to the root of the matter. Perfect. I was practicing in the mirror this morning, "So, what you're saying is 'Fuck the poor.' Nope, that's what I'm hearing. You've got yours, so 'Fuck the poor.'"

          [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Someone just used "succinct" to describe something /u/SpudDK wrote.

          History made. :p

          [–]whynotnever 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Haha, I was referring to the "Fuck the poors" portion of the post.

          [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I know, just wanted to make that joke. :D

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's a good one!

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          :D Modeled above written back to our frenemy wonk.

          When we declare what is, we dare power to deny truth. They will, so then we tell our friends so they lose stature, credence: "Did you see that? They are saying, FUCK THE POORS!" I can't support them and neither should you."

          Then we beat them.

          [–]penelopepnortneyPurity Unicorn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          "Did you see that? They are saying, FUCK THE POORS!" I can't support them and neither should you."

          Oughta be the new meme.

          [–]whynotnever 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Rock on

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          :D

          [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          I remember, I just could not stand to read a Little Women one more time and try to cheer myself.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          I didn't get this! Usually, I do. Help!

          [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/ALCOTT/ch1.html

          I used to read it every year when I was poor and try and be positive and look on the bright side, think of others, you know. But it gets grinding after years and years. I just could not read it again.

          We have an ok income now, but the only reason we are not deeply in debt is because we have continued to live almost the same way. Like..our car is a 12 year old used car and we got screwed on it, we paid 6k and found out a week later it needed 9 thousand dollars in repairs. My husband and two friends took two weekends to get it mostly fixed and it still cost us four thousand more dollars, which is better than the nine but was still awful. We only were saved by them having better than average automotive skills and access to a shop where they could work for free. But the shop was four hours away, so he'd have to stay there, etc.

          So we've had the car a year, owe about four grand on it and I think we finished paying off the parts we had to buy.

          I will be delighted if we get three more years out of it. If we had not had a credit card to charge thousands on and then work a side hustle to pay off, and my husband had not been able to do extensive car repairs due to a combination of years of DIY car repair ( his dad taught him) along with some YouTube videos, we'd have had a six thousand dollar paperweight.

          Paddling twice as hard sucks.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I just clicked parent on this and connected it back to "little women"

          Thanks! I get it. That book will be on the Pooky reading list one day.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Gotta hate shitty cars. For years I drove an old 89 corolla. I can do almost everything on that car. Saved my bacon, and 40mpg on average!

          Just got a newer car. 2k, cheap. Finally gave the corolla to my son and his best friend to share. 360k miles, does not burn oil yet. This newer Kia is a v6 long runner. Worse on gas, but comfy. OK fine.

          My strategy has always been private sales. Qualify car based on model. After 6 to 10 years, the best of the best are known.

          Target a few and start seeking.

          Once the right model,.mileage, and care profile is on the table, I qualify with one question: "Why are you selling the car?"

          Takes a while, but there are always a few deals where someone just needs to be rid of a good car and I buy those. I've scored 100k low hassle driving miles on all but an old 70s Era Futura that threw a timing belt early. I should have serviced that right away. Might still have it. (It was a fun old car)

          Anyway, save up 2500 cash, and this strategy will almost always net you a good car.

          When I've reached the "pissy" stage, I unload the car super cheap, like 50 bucks. Don't care, all done, get another one, wash, rinse repeat.

          I do it cheap so they have a shot at some real value should they service and repair it. Pay forward kind of thing. I tell them that too. They can almost always drive it away and there is enough run time on it they have a decent shot at another good run, like I had, with a little time to plan and fund the service and or repair.

          I gave the Futura away, too much work for me. That guy dropped a new engine in and may still be driving it for all I know. Getting it for 50 makes that kind of thing economically plausible for all involved. Good cars stay in the hands of those who need them.

          Used from lots is hell. Hate it. They do almost nothing but polish turds and sell them premium.

          And I can't ask that question. It's super important. That one question is the lemon filter.

          Good answers are:

          Someone died.

          Great car, but this dent... (love those, and my current one was this reason. Salesperson just needs spiffy car, didn't care to fix this one, so I did with one of those as seen on TV dent pullers. Worked!)

          Bought an SUV from a guy who rents cars to his business. He runs em 100k, full service, sell them, gets new. This was one of my best buys.

          Was grandpa's car, fixed it up, can't get hot girls in it. Lol. That one was good too. The kid learned his auto skills on it. Did good work.

          Downsizing, empty nest.

          You get the idea. Get them to tell you they love the car and why.

          Also how did they use the car?

          An SUV that spent 100k miles hard towing is very different from one that was soccer mom or sales person transport.

          Commuter cars are good too. Long runners with easy miles are very good bets, depending on why they want to sell the car.

          [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Yes, I don't know if I'd want to try it again. Certified preowned maybe. Your idea is good though, hopefully we have some time to mull it over. I currently drive a minimum of 10 hours a week but next year I should be trimming it by 2.5 hours a week.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Certified pre owned is still turd polishing more than not.

          I'm super leery of lot sales. They just want too damn much margin.

          It's to the point where one can get an awesome ca with bad transmission or something, buy it cash, repair and still come out ahead on risk and value relative to what they make.

          A ton of those are trades, and a ton of trades are pissy cars. Lease returns are generally good though.

          You gotta grill the shit out of the lot people.

          One tip there is to buy when they are super needy and or leave yourself an out, such as a late transaction. Start near close. They will open up and deal at those times.

          Honestly, it's a battle.

          [–]GladysCravesRitzI bite. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think you and my husband are peas in a pod.

          I'll show him all this.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Probably. Gotta do what it takes.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I drive a fair amount right now too.

          This strategy varies by region. It's super important to get the car in an area where it's plausible they want to sell a good car.

          I've driven 100 miles for a good buy. Where I am, it's mixed. Low income places do not work well. Nobody ever let's go of a good car. The lost that serve those areas are the same way, churning shit cars for dollars.

          Avoid.

          I will also do this having a car that does work. That corolla is insane. It was the backup, commuter car. This one I have now is similar.

          Where you are, the people are different in many places. Players. Or desperate.

          If I were you, best risk hedging would be save cash now. At 2k start seeking, save still. If you have time, this becomes more possible.

          I have found under 2k it's too much hassle. There are gems, but it takes work and luck. Between 2k and 5k private sales become excellent opportunities when you can take your time.

          Corolla 89 to 94 run forever. They can be had for 1 to 2k. If they have had even modest service, they are safe bets. I've scored these for family. Easy DIY too. If you need a get there no matter what car, these things rock, but are shitty otherwise. Just not much of a car comfort wise. More like go carts.

          Kia Optima V6 is good. V4 pissy. 2002 to 2006.

          I find this by watching what stays on the road, forums where there is car talk, friends, various reports.

          You need to evaluate under carriage too. Here we don't salt. Older cars are fine.

          [–]peppermint-kissimpatient populist 💣 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I love this. Having a succinct, accurate talking point is SOOOO useful to cutting through the BS and getting to meaningful communication with people. Caitlin Johnstone has helped so much with this - she ties up everything I've been thinking into a neat little package I can drop off in a thread or a conversation where telling the whole story would lead to crickets or derailment from the other side.

          Thank you for giving me a new little present here!

          [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think this is why memes are so powerful, and why I hate memes that have too much text in them.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Truth

          Lota fuck the poors ones possible.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          She is insane good at that.

          And this is something the right does extremely well. It's time we punch back.

          [–]AravanFoxBasket of Oligarchs! 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          We put them in prison, and that's not enough, so we do it for profit

          Random thought. If we all end up in prison or on assistance, who will be paying for the prisons or for the assistance? The jobs are getting automated and our kids getting incarcerated, so...

          Edit: Oh, forgot. Welfare "reform" will have us on the streets. Fuck the poor. :(

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Indeed :(

          Well, you know what to do, as do I. Others. Don't shut up.

          [–]Older_and_Wiser_Now 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (23子コメント)

          In the words of George Carlin, hallowed be his name:

          “Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff.”

          The trick is keep the poors as poor as possible without getting them so poor that they can't take it any more and decide to revolt. Carlin nailed it right there, he simply nailed it.

          We already have a party for the Rich Fucks, it's called the Republican Party. Some people think those folks are too mean, and so they are trying to remake the Democratic Party into a party for Rich Fucks too, albeit one that is Kinder and Gentler.

          Anyone who does not care about the health and welfare of the 99%, including the ones at the lower end of the wealth spectrum, does not hold the moral high ground in any way shape or form. Kinder and Gentler Rich Fucks are still Rich Fucks.

          [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          ...so they are trying to remake the Democratic Party into a party for Rich Fucks too, albeit one that is Kinder and Gentler.

          They already did. It's been that way since Bill Clinton, maybe longer. How many senators and representatives endorsed Bernie? That's how much of the party isn't part of the Rich Fucks party.

          [–]GryehoundIgnore what they say, watch what they do. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          How many stood up for The American People when they were literally invited to by the House back in 2000?

          [–]Older_and_Wiser_Now 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          You are right of course. The only thing is, they were doing so "privately". Now they seem to be getting more brazenly public about it.

          [–]flickmontana42Tonight I'm Gonna Party Like It's 1968 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It seems like Frank Zappa was right, and it's getting too expensive to keep the curtain up in front of the brick wall.

          [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Yes, Hillary and Chelsea got tired of having to be discreet. Hence Chelsea's $3 million wedding.

          You know, if you'd spend $3 million on your kids wedding, you are an oligarch or an oligarch wannabe.

          A $3 million wedding for Chelsea. To every single dumbass who voted for Hillary in the primary: You. Got. Conned.

          [–]Older_and_Wiser_Now 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          And now they are trying to get her a seat in Congress.

          Because that is where the $$$ is.

          [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sickening.

          [–]FThumbIt's not you, it's me. Okay, it's you. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Some people think those folks are too mean, and so they are trying to remake the Democratic Party into a party for Rich Fucks too

          The Democratic party is where Republicans who are okay with gay marriage and abortion rights go. We only have two rich parties, those who wear religion on their sleeves, and those who don't.

          [–]rundown9Still With Herb 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          And more than a few of those "enlightened folk" could tolerate all the nastiness of Trump just to be sure a progressive populist like Bernie never won.

          [–]expatjournoFuck the Hillbots 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The Iron Law of Institutions.

          [–]LoneStarMike59 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          . . . so they are trying to remake the Democratic Party into a party for Rich Fucks too, albeit one that is Kinder and Gentler.

          Let them eat cake have some crumbs. But NO frosting!

          [–]BillToddTooPuttery Pony 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          They pretty much completed making the Democratic Party into a party for rich fucks under Clinton - it's just taking rather a long time for the poor fucks who constitute most of its base to catch onto that.

          LOVE the Carlin quote.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          “Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff.”

          Me too, and isn't it interesting how the Netherlands are closing prisons, due to lack of prisoners, while we open more up and run many of them for profit?

          Crime is a primary indicator of capitalism gone bad.

          It takes a lot of work to make it work reasonably, and we've not been doing that work for some time now.

          [–]BillToddTooPuttery Pony 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Me too, and isn't it interesting how the Netherlands are closing prisons, due to lack of prisoners, while we open more up and run many of them for profit?

          Now, if our capitalism were working the way it's allegedly supposed to work we'd just export our excess prisoners to the Netherlands as a more cost-effective solution than building a bunch more prisons ourselves. Isn't that how out-sourcing is supposed to work in a global marketplace? Why wasn't Obama all over this?

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Good grief, that's terribly good. Meant in the literal and figurative senses!

          LMAO!

          [–]BillToddTooPuttery Pony 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I didn't think it was that good. Perhaps you're still a bit woozy from your excellent rant.

          [–]turbonerd21662 yo AA woman in MIssissippi 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Satire is an effective form of political commentary. Look at "A Modest Proposal," for maybe the best known example. And what was that, other than an early version of FUCK THE POORS?

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          It bites hard. Makes one think about how globalism is very carefully partitioned.

          Without that done, it makes far less sense.

          [–]DK_emorej_a_hongkong 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Dean Baker has often highlighted some of the obviousness partitions, like protecting American doctors from competition by foreign-trained doctors.

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Exactly, FUCK THE POORS.

          Wealthy people need good, domestic doctors and that's important to preserve.

          [–]LoneStarMike59 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          One of my doctors is foreign-trained (University of Scotland.) And the icing on the cake? He's a Muslim. He also practices one day a week at the Community Clinic, so he gives back to the community as well.

          [–]DK_emorej_a_hongkong 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Baker explains that they use not academic-level education, but instead the post-graduate residency requirement, to:

          "restrict the number of doctors with a wonderfully protectionist rule that prohibits doctors from practicing in the United States unless they have completed a U.S. residency program."

          Source: this recent short commentary: https://rwer.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/economists-doctors-cartels-and-uber/

          [–]SpudDKONWARD! TAKE NO MORE SHIT ⭐️🌸[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Totally. I actually cried when Carlin died. :/

          And he did nail it too.