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[–]thru_dangers_untold 1745 ポイント1746 ポイント  (140子コメント)

I'm surprised Wikipedia isn't on board. There's still time I suppose.

[–]bamforeo 2097 ポイント2098 ポイント  (11子コメント)

They need the donations to afford all the paint needed for the black out.

[–]JediNinjas 159 ポイント160 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I guess we can mail them some cans of spray paint so they can spray paint their screens. I heard that going into css and changing background-color: white to background-color: black, was just to expensive.

[–]ourari 373 ポイント374 ポイント  (113子コメント)

Wikipedia takes part in violations of net neutrality ("zero rating") through Wikipedia Zero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero

Article from 2014: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/

[–]rushingkar 252 ポイント253 ポイント  (95子コメント)

Unrelated, but so does did T-Mobile with their Binge-On plan. You can stream all the video/music you want and it doesn't count against your data cap. Basically they are treating certain types of data different than other types, which is 100% against net neutrality in my book. But a while ago, there was a thread full of people arguing that it wasn't against NN because it favored the consumer.

[–]Dood567 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Binge-On is dead now. T-Mobile one has unlimited data for everything with HD streaming too.

[–]truh 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet should treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication.

Binge-On plan is very much in violation of net neutrality.

[–]rafitufi 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They're fiercely apolitical, and that's probably a good thing.

[–]tryfap 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Only to the extend that being apolitical wouldn't harm them. For example they blacked out during Sopa because it would directly affect their ability to run Wikipedia. Same thing for court briefs they've made over freedom of panorama.

[–]Baalinooo 2343 ポイント2344 ポイント  (345子コメント)

Why aren't google, apple, and microsoft joining the initiative?

[–]SpongederpSquarefap 2049 ポイント2050 ポイント  (231子コメント)

Too big to care. No NN means less competition.

[–]Lilcloud_x 178 ポイント179 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Amazon is pretty big though. I'm surprised they joined.

[–]jmcs 166 ポイント167 ポイント  (14子コメント)

AWS is a big part of Amazon's business, I wouldn't be surprised if ISPs are already preparing to try to shake that money tree.

[–]reifier 857 ポイント858 ポイント  (200子コメント)

This is why I'm cancelling my Netflix sub.

[–]NGC4826 450 ポイント451 ポイント  (148子コメント)

What is their stance on net neutrality?

[–]IByrdl 324 ポイント325 ポイント  (21子コメント)

The CEO said it's not a big issue for him now that he's on top.

[–]Zcypot 1194 ポイント1195 ポイント  (80子コメント)

they practically said they dont care anymore

[–]zyck_titan 1494 ポイント1495 ポイント  (57子コメント)

More specifically I think they said that they are big enough to negotiate the deals they want.

Which is;

  1. Awful, because it's the same thinking that goes on with ISPs.

  2. Laughable, because all the major ISPs also have streaming video services, and they'd just as happily ditch Netflix to funnel more users onto their own services.

[–]JesseJaymz 325 ポイント326 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Right?? Like they know a LOT of companies throttle BECAUSE of Netflix already right??? Y'all are big enough to sit at the negotiation table and pick out which strap on they're gonna ram you with.

[–]jmerridew124 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Netflix: "We'll be fine! We're big enough to negotia- why does our site redirect to Hulu?"

[–]Istalriblaka 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Step 1: offer service

Step 2: charge competing services so much operating on your network is cost prohibitive

Step 3: redirect your customers to your service

Step 4: profit

Step 5: spend some profit on Congress to undo/loosen more regulations

Step 6: ???

Step 7: profit even more

[–]K1ng_N0thing 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This shit is already happening.

I have a data cap with Comcast (which is another hate message by itself) and when I streamed Hulu (owned by the Comcast parent company) none of the data counted towards the cap.

For a time period I stopped streaming Netflix because it was driving up my internet bill.

In general this is insane and I feel as if customers have no power.

[–]Xenomech 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, the courageous "I got mine" approach.

[–]whoareyouagain 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Their CEO recently made several statements expressing their stance on NN. One of the statements he made was:

“We had to carry the water when we were growing up and we were small. Now other companies need to be on that leading edge.” -Reed Hastings (Netflix CEO)

Absolutely pathetic. If anything, now that they're bigger they have more power to influence decisions. This is their time to step up. He also mentioned that since they're no longer vulnerable...

"It’s someone else’s problem now."
Source

[–]NGC4826 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well.. That sucks

[–]reifier 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (19子コメント)

[–]JackGetsIt 139 ポイント140 ポイント  (17子コメント)

relation

Wow. Fuck Reed Hastings. Maybe we should all cancel our subscriptions on July 12th. I've been thinking about dropping them for a while now.

[–]F22Rapture 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you're going to do that without also boycotting Hulu (jointly owned by Comcast and Disney, and a few other anti-NN companies) and every other service that works against net neutrality behind the scenes, you're kind of shooting yourself in the face.

Otherwise the only lesson companies will learn is "don't get politically involved with issues important to internet mobs, because they might turn on you later"

[–]JackGetsIt 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. This is a solid point. I don't plan on switching to Hulu I never bought into their business plan anyway. I felt really betrayed when they offered a free service/ad supported for so long then just basically totally shifted and walled everything up behind a pay wall.

[–]cookiemikester 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (1子コメント)

they use to be for strongly for net neutrality. There was a recent article that stated that they no longer care about the issue now that they're big. I'm not sure the companies official current position

[–]Gerfalcon 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Their stance is kind of like "We're big and beloved now. Eh."

[–]ageofthoughts 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They used to care but the CEO has recently said that NN is no longer as far up on their list of priorities. I mean honestly, I don't know what people are expecting at this point.

[–]mikron2 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Between that and their VPN policy (I run a VPN on my router that I have to turn off for netflix) I'm seriously considering cancelling as well. It's unfortunate, but if they think they're too big the only way to fix it is to make them smaller.

[–]dchap 565 ポイント566 ポイント  (59子コメント)

Google could end this shit in a day if they really wanted to. Can you imagine if Google search, gmail, youtube were all shut down for an entire day and just replaced by a paragraph on net neutrality?

They would never do that of course, but fuck if that wouldn't get literally everyone's attention.

[–]flounder19 371 ポイント372 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I imagine they're reluctant to remind people how much of their online life is controlled by google

[–]SuccessAndSerenity 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think an ever bigger wake up call would be if Amazon Web Services (AWS) did something. I think even less appreciated is how much of the web is hosted by Amazon. The few times there’s been a minor glitch in AWS, a very substantial portion of the entire internet goes down.

If both google and AWS made a simultaneous statement, it’d be game over. Obviously Amazon would never fuck with its clients sites to make a statement. But alas it’s fun to think about.

[–]Z0di 179 ポイント180 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is really what it is...

"holy shit, google is literally bigger than government"

[–]leaky_wand 215 ポイント216 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Google is practically a public utility by this point. People have come to rely on Google for advice on damn near everything, including safety issues, childcare questions, or whether or not something is safe to eat. If you took Google offline people would literally die.

[–]Divc09 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (19子コメント)

In August 2013, Google and all of its services came down briefly for 2-3 mins. And the whole internet traffic went down by a massive 40%. That was for 2 minutes 4 years ago. If it happened today for even an hour I can't even imagine what'll happen

[–]Timmarus 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Gutting net neutrality benefits them. They can afford to pay whatever fee the ISPs want, and any other competition that can't pay dies.

[–]cadium 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Netflix is probably already paying the ISPs, even under current Net-Neutrality rules to avoid the link-problems they had before.

[–]d01100100 9192 ポイント9193 ポイント  (416子コメント)

Classic quote - "No one in the porn industry ever yells 'slower, slower, slower,'" he said. "We're much more accustomed to 'faster, faster, faster.' Here at Pornhub, we want to keep it that way."

[–]QBin2017 8891 ポイント8892 ポイント x2 (377子コメント)

You really want Net Neutrality to get out there? ...... Have every one of these sites agree to shut down for just 3 hours, with a message about Net Nuetrality and links for next steps.

3 Hours without Social Media, Porn or Shopping will make worldwide news for weeks and shake up the country like never before.........as sad as that is.

Edit : Thank you for the Gold!!

[–]Twitch_Half 3576 ポイント3577 ポイント  (141子コメント)

I was thinking a full 24 hours, replaced with splash page mimicking a locked TV channel.

"Sorry! Your current Internet plan does not allow you to access this webpage. You can upgrade to the Social Media Plus package for just $14.99 for the first 3 months!"

Edit: I know, I doubt this would happen, and it would certainly be harder on smaller companies looking to show their support, but we can dream can't we?

And as /u/TheUnchainedZebra pointed out, displaying or having it link to a Net Neutrality page to provide context would be best.

[–]TheUnchainedZebra 2560 ポイント2561 ポイント  (60子コメント)

Took a few minutes and put this together.

I think the idea could work really well. Feel free to share the image.


Edit: Made the Net Neutrality line stand out more

Edit 2: Alternate version with the Net Neutrality line in red.

Edit 3: Another alternate version with a couple of "links" to follow

[–]CrimJim 533 ポイント534 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I feel like the message at the bottom should be in a bigger font. Other than that, I really like it.

[–]TheUnchainedZebra 459 ポイント460 ポイント  (23子コメント)

[–]Christoh 249 ポイント250 ポイント  (12子コメント)

So like, shall we start sending this image round the ol' social media? It's very well done and would get the message across to a good few people.

[–]BasementJockeys 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Already shared on Facebook

[–]money_loo 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Jokes on you. I'm so fast I shared it on Facebook before it was even created by me to take credit for me stealing it. From myself. And I don't even have Facebook!

[–]badcookies 753 ポイント754 ポイント  (34子コメント)

You can upgrade to the Social Media Plus package for just $14.99 for the first 3 months!"

Sadly people would be clicking like hell to get that package deal :\

[–]snoopoopoop 460 ポイント461 ポイント  (6子コメント)

"I never knew how much I valued this until someone told me its value."

[–]Waldy565 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or you inform them this will happen if they don't rally their local politician when you click.

[–]Sabuleon 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hopefully they then would be presented with a page that explains "You don't have to pay now, but you might--this is what your cable/ISP is trying to force you to do.

Avoid paying more for the contents you already have access to.

Support Net Neutrality by writing your representatives! <insert link to list>"

... or something worded better than this crappy 30-second reply.

[–]thegreattober 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

When they click it, it redirects to a page with information on why we need net neutrality. Boom.

[–]TobiasCB 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (8子コメント)

When you click you get rickrolled.

[–]BlackDeath3 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't wait for the Rickroll package - all resources redirect to that one damn YouTube video.

[–]straigh 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a really great idea, even if the sites (understandably) do not shut down business. I think it would be an attention-grabbing way for them to communicate what's at stake rather than just "another wordy pop-up". I wonder what their plans are.

[–]jiiiveturkay 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They don't even need to shut down their sites. Just have this be the page that comes up when you first come to their webpages but at the bottom could be a link like "Now, since we still have a full and free internet, click here to continue, unhindered."

[–]onenose 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully 'next steps' also includes encouraging people to contact their local representatives for their state legislature. That is, not simply their representatives and senators for the US Congress, but their representatives and senators for their state legislature that introduce and pass state legislation.

State representatives and senators are usually part-time legislators that live near residents and are easier to get ahold of than their national counterparts. They are fully capable of introducing legislation to implement Net Neutrality and internet privacy on the state level in a manner unimpeded by gridlock in Congress.

State legislators are also capable of lifting any state-level restrictions on municipally owned fiber.

[–]lessyes 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (12子コメント)

3 hours would not be enough. 24 or 96 hours could be beneficial, people would loose their minds at not being able to access any content. That could definitely get people to open their eyes and see what's at stake here.

[–]Jamespeg 365 ポイント366 ポイント  (106子コメント)

Too much lost income for participating companies for something like that to ever happen I would assume.

[–]thebusterbluth 725 ポイント726 ポイント  (65子コメント)

I can't imagine they'd like a world in which they're at the mercy of ISP corporations though, so consider it an investment.

[–]vonnillips 403 ポイント404 ポイント  (58子コメント)

Exactly. They'd probably lose a fuck ton more in the long run if net neutrality dies

[–]TurboChewy 234 ポイント235 ポイント  (23子コメント)

It's also a question of pride. Nobody wants to pay off ISPs like they're the fucking Mafia.

[–]goblue142[🍰] 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Shareholders don't have pride. That's who a lot of these companies answer to. It's why do many of our companies make morally shit decisions all the time. They answer to shareholders that want the stock price to go up.

I work for a fortune 200 company that is constantly finding ways to outsource, cut wages, and decrease benefits despite already being massively profitable. My wife works for a privately held company that pays well, fantastic benefits, flexible work life balance, and generally doesn't destroy the souls of the people working there.

[–]kr0n_ 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I work for a small private company that is destroying my soul... If I told you how shitty it was you wouldn't believe me. The pettiness and narcissim is overwhelming.

And I know of corporations with great work environment. So I don't think it's a matter of size but of leadership.

[–]Bendaario 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Actually, Amazon is one of the few that actually stands to gain a lot. Given its size it has a lot more bargain power that say, Imgur or Etsy.

[–]effyochicken 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But that means it still has to bargain and spend extra money buying off each provider. Then continue buying them off... While the isp has nothing to lose by saying "fuck you Amazon, pay me even more."

[–]onenose 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only thing which is needed to ensure net neutrality survives is privacy protections on internet traffic. If internet service providers can't inspect packets without violating privacy laws, then they can't implement price discrimination. If they can't engage in price discrimination, then they can't engage in rent-seeking beyond the existing system of territorial monopolies.

This can be accomplished by encouraging people to contact their local representative and senators for their state legislature (not congress), and asking them to pass internet privacy protections that prevent price discrimination passed on what sites you are communicating with, and to lift any restrictions on municipally owned fiber in the state.

Laws which prevent municipalities from owning their own fiber in the same manner that they own roads and pipes are usually passed at the state level, so dealing with state legislatures is also an important part of ending the current system of territorial monopolies.

[–]Istalriblaka 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, this isn't really true. For an ISP to function at all, they need to know what IP address a packet is going to. They can take that address, check an index of who the address belongs to and wether or not their customer has a package that allows access to that site, and then they can deny access or charge for it from there.

However, I totally agree with taking this to the states if it comes down to it. States usually have the ability to fix what Congress fails to.

[–]PAO_RT_IN_THE_KISSER 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (18子コメント)

But Comcast told me I'd be saving money if net neutrality died!

[–]grantrules 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Only pay for the sites you visit! You'll love our $20 basic package with access to weather.com, foxnews.com, and yahoo email. Add extra sites for just $2.99/mo per site or $15/mo for 10 out of network sites! Special sale on social networking, add Facebook, myspace, pinterest, and live journal for just $4.99/mo.

[–]Zeliek 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm dreading this so much. Here in Canada it would be more like:

The Internet Just Got Friendlier.™

You can now look forward to Bell/Rogers newer, faster, and cheaper internet! Starting Doomsday on your next billing period, you'll notice you're now saving up to $10 off your current plan!* In addition, we now have some exciting new packages to offer: Enjoy extra sites for just $5.99/mo per site or $20/mo for 10 out of network sites! Special sale on social networking, add Facebook, myspace, pinterest, and live journal for just $8.99/mo.

* For the first 3 months

So basically your $80 plan will be $70 and by the time you finish piecing back together the internet you were just paying $80 for, you now have a $120+ internet bill.

[–]i-Maccao 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (9子コメント)

3 Hours for 1 country should be survivable. Especially for World Wide sites like Amazon or PornHub.

[–]terrordrone_nl 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd prefer if they did it world-wide, actually. As an European many of the services I use are American, and I really don't want ISP's killing off services I use because said services didn't bribe the ISPs.

[–]jaysaber 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Some European leaders are starting to like the idea of scrapping Net Neutrality as well (cough Theresa May cough), so it's definitely a good thing to show it to as many countries as possible.

[–]quantum_entanglement 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They might lose more in the long run if this goes through

[–]hrkristian 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Without a doubt.

Racketeering never helped businesses, and that's what the lack of net neutrality is.

[–]Sinfall69 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But it's better to lose that little bit now than to sacrifice some revenue forever.

[–]tehlaser 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (18子コメント)

If you want real pandemonium, get Amazon to slow/stop AWS.

[–]Deeptrance83 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can't do that. It would open them up to a shit storm of litigation for any potential lost business for the companies who pay a lot of money for their services.

[–]unholycowgod 195 ポイント196 ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is genius. 3 hours without porn would probably trigger 70-80% of legislators and 95% of congressional aides. Shit, if Twitter went dark for 3 hours can you imagine what Cheeto would do?

[–]forsayken 920 ポイント921 ポイント  (107子コメント)

How many of these sites are going to go black on the 12th? It's sounding like they are just going to put a message on their front page or something.

[–]evanFFTF[S] 734 ポイント735 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Just doing the same thing we've done in the past doesn't seem like very much fun, does it? :-) We're still working on the details -- and leaving lots of room for input from the Internet and for sites to get creative -- but the basic idea is that sites will display something really prominent that shows the different ways that losing net neutrality would break the Internet (ie slow loading, censorship, extra fees, etc.) SOPA was a blackout because it was about censorship -- net neutrality is broader, so we have more room to get creative.

[–]CheradenineTheBoss 426 ポイント427 ポイント  (18子コメント)

What about the sites intentionally slowing down page loads to take like 10 or 15 seconds while displaying the banner and saying "This is the internet without net neutrality. Welcome to the slow lane. You can prevent this by..." since this is about that particular issue.

I'm sure some great web engineers can make it so that only happen the first time someone visits a site that day!

[–]evanFFTF[S] 235 ポイント236 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yeah totally -- this is similar to what we did last time around with the "Internet Slowdown." Currently we're working on building some different options for sites to show the different ways losing net neutrality could affect them (ie slowing down, being blocked outright, being forced to charge fees, etc.)

[–]DrewsephA 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (5子コメント)

being forced to charge fees

What would be cool, is if there was a pop-up on the participating sites to pay for access, if that payment went as a donation to the EFF or some other charity/organization fighting for NN. I'm sure you'd have to clearly put some sort of disclaimer that says you don't actually have to pay to access, that this is just an example of how it could be, and that you can still access the site without paying, but I bet it would raise a buttload of money pretty quickly.

[–]invalidusernamelol 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or if they clicked "no" then it would bring them to a page explaining that they would not be able to visit that website anymore if NN is lost. If they click "yes" it shows them all these other websites they will likely have to pay for is NN os lost.

[–]evanFFTF[S] 167 ポイント168 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Also the most important thing is the phone calls, emails, and in-person meetings with lawmakers that all of this traffic generates. That's what wins the fight in the end, not just the symbolism

[–]crestonebeard 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would be amazing if you would share an embed code so others can show solidarity

[–]sanity 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can you use geotargeting to figure out who someone's representatives are, and give them the appropriate phone number right there?

I know congressional districts can have complicated boundaries (yay gerrymandering!), so you might need to ask for a street address to get the House rep.

[–]worldalpha_com 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I suggest that each site has a big message saying to access X you have to pay Y, then the click to payment page, and it explains NN and the fact is cable companies get their way that this is a real possibility.

[–]slumberjack7 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was picturing some kind of bravehart style battle outside of FCC headquarters. Chock full of pornstars, internet artisans, entrepreneurs and Giffers. Fingers crossed

[–]chuckberry314 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (17子コメント)

my question exactly. what are they going to do? If it's not go black then it's inconsequential in my book.

[–]evanFFTF[S] 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I definitely understand the allure of "going black" but it's not the only way to get attention. The Internet Slowdown protest we organized last time around featured a prominent slow "loading" symbol on major sites and was instrumental in getting the FCC to enact the current net neutrality protections we have now. That said, if sites want to black out on this day, that's awesome! The idea is to make it possible for as many online communities to participate as possible in their own creative way.

[–]ProJokeExplainer 542 ポイント543 ポイント  (41子コメント)

If all these go black, July 12th will be the most productive day ever

[–]ChocoMilkYum 4288 ポイント4289 ポイント  (202子コメント)

Idea: can we collectively recruit CPGrey, Kurzgesagt and VSauce team to work on an explainer video that we all display on our websites that day?

[–]EarlGreyOrDeath 1882 ポイント1883 ポイント  (93子コメント)

Maybe not Vsause, we want to stay on a central topic not 20 different ones about tech and the internet in general.

[–]psdnmstr01 739 ポイント740 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Another gray and kutzgesagt colab would be cool though.

[–]EarlGreyOrDeath 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Totally agree

[–]doorbellguy 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Another? Did they colab before?

[–]xlnqeniuz 154 ポイント155 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yes they did!

Here is Kurzegesagt's video, and here is CGP Grey's video

[–]gregjw 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Several people in this thread have said 'CPGrey' instead of 'CGP Grey', I wonder how much of this traffic comes from people googling the former.

[–]xlnqeniuz 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been subscribed for 2 years and never noticed, wow. I guess I just didn't type his name that much.

[–]enceladus47 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They made two videos that referenced each other in the end, one on each channel.

What Are You?

You Are Two

[–]Osbie_Feel 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Needs bill wurtz for the soundtrack

[–]Pojodan 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The internet is great! I cangoontheinternetanddoallsortsof-KKKZZZZKKZKKTKT

CENSORSHIP

Oh no! I can't get to the thing I wanted because CORPORATION MAN has decided they don't want me to!

What do?

bloop

bloop bloop bloop

We can free the internet!

AAAAAAAA!

[–]timeshifter_ 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Destin from Smarter Every Day might be worth contacting too (/u/mrpennywhistle ping?), he's done videos in the past about how content stealers on Facebook affect YT content creators, and this is a tad bit more serious.

[–]evanFFTF[S] 179 ポイント180 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yessssss. We desperately need more good videos to help break down and explain this super important but complex issue

[–]NeonTrigger 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's an older one

It's terrifying that this came out in 2014... It doesn't necessarily cover specific recent events but it's still rock solid.

[–]HuevoSplash 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Different Idea - every page should put up a big scary looking warning sign and say "Your ISP has blocked you from visiting this site for free due to the recent FCC decision ending net neutrality. Please call your ISP to ask for access to be reinstated."

Give the people a blunt working example.

[–]Zacmon 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Unfortunately, CGP Grey and Kurzgesagt wouldn't likely be able to meet that deadline. CGP might be able to pull off a short sequel to his original Net Neutrality video because his animations are somewhat simplistic and he hires outside animators, but Kurzgesagt's animation is extremely complicated, precise, and uses 100% in-house assets. Those videos take multiple months to produce and are likely booked up into the end of the year, meaning they're likely storyboarding and creating assets for the next 2-3 videos. I wouldn't expect either to release a special video unless they've already planned for it since March or so.

VSauce could probably do it. Tom Scott could definitely do it; same with Numberphile, as they're largely camera shots and interviews. Sci-Show (or one of the Green's other channels) could maybe do it if they toned down the animated sections and editing, assuming they used one of the educational channels; John/Hank could also just do a split vlog type of deal to make the process easier.

[–]TalentedLurker 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Grey already has a net neutrality video.

[–]ShoutyCrackers 1796 ポイント1797 ポイント  (139子コメント)

All that REALLY needs to happen is for Google to threaten Comcast that they'll block all Comcast IPs from using their site and this overturning Net Neutrality crap will all go away.

(It would never happen, Google would lose too much money. But imagine if they did it...)

[–]factbased 615 ポイント616 ポイント  (77子コメント)

Comcast has captive customers, from long contracts and lack of broadband competition. When they get in a dispute with a content provider, and traffic is harmed or blocked altogether, it hurts both sides. But Comcast can hold out longer, because their customers largely aren't going anywhere.

[–]Highlyactivewalrus 581 ポイント582 ポイント  (57子コメント)

Still though, how mad would those customers be if when they typed in www.google.com, they got a page with the message "Looks like you're using Comcast to access the internet, Google cannot be reached from your walled garden."

[–]dgahimer 517 ポイント518 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Comcast's business practices clearly illustrate that they don't care if their customers are mad because, once again, they have captive customers.

[–]Gaywallet 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (8子コメント)

they have captive customers.

Well when they have no other options for internet access ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]getFrickt 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah but I don't want government telling me that if I became a multinational billion dollar corporation that I couldn't make Draconian deals with local municipalities and form regional monopolies.

[–]2SP00KY4ME 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (22子コメント)

That only works if it meant Comcast would lose customers. They wouldn't because they have nowhere to go.

[–]lHaveAQuestion4u 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Or Google could just rollout more Google fiber. Pls

[–]InsanityRequiem 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Google Fiber is dead. The only places that get Google Fiber are the places Google Fiber was installed.

[–]tacofrog2 300 ポイント301 ポイント  (17子コメント)

It would be nice to know exactly what is happening on this day. Everything is quite vague and there are no "details" other than a date.

[–]sipsyrup 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's most likely going to be a lot like two years ago during Internet Slowdown Day.

[–]evanFFTF[S] 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (9子コメント)

We're going to be announcing a lot more details soon. We wanted to make it an open process where we can get lots of feedback from Internet users, online communities, and websites that will be participating. See my comment above for some more examples of the types of stuff sites might do :-)

[–]tacofrog2 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So is it a site will do whatever they want on this day, or are all the sites talking about what they should all do collectively? I hope those details are released soon, because so far it feels really unplanned and vague.

[–]BEEPBOPIAMAROBOT 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If these sites do anything less than shut down for 24 hours it won't have any impact and nobody will care. Just my two cents.

[–]blindoptix 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (2子コメント)

oh JULY 12th, not June 12th. I wondered why nothing happened Monday.

[–]pdinc 684 ポイント685 ポイント  (102子コメント)

You know who's missing here? Netflix. Shady assholes don't care now that they're an established player.

[–]HokusSchmokus 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think Netflixes statement is the saddest part about this. They basicly said "we want to fight this, but it would be futile and it won't hurt us as much anymore". The futile part is what gets me, since Netflix has been so strongly in favor of NN for years now.

[–]salamislam79 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (82子コメント)

Looks like a good ol fashioned boycott may be in order.

[–]powercow 402 ポイント403 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Hey porn sites.. wanna help? BAN CONGRESSIONAL IPs. Them fucks will quickly learn wtf net neutrality means.

[–]jokomul 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I was just thinking how cool it would be if all of these sites could block Ashit Pie from using their services. I feel like that would be an awesome way to demonstrate why we need certain regulations for fairness in internet services.

[–]TurkeyGod 146 ポイント147 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is really poor form to require people to enter their name and email address to participate in something purporting to fight for Internet freedom. Past endeavors like the SOPA campaign had a wonderful site that 1) stated exactly what participants would be doing and why and 2) openly provided the graphics/code/etc for websites to use. None of it required providing personal information. Visiting this new site accomplishes none of those things.

[–]Eeevil2 211 ポイント212 ポイント  (43子コメント)

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this, but isn't the net neutrality battle currently specific to the US? I'm Canadian, and would like to do everything I can to help, but am unsure what I can do from outside the US. Does anyone know if an equivalent law is already in progress here in Canada? If not, I'm sure we would be one of the first counties to follow suit after the US killed net neutrality, so I'd like to help. How can I do this?

[–]mockidol 213 ポイント214 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Oddly enough it could actually affect the internet outside of the us. Say for example a small American startup hosts their new video site themselves and have to serve through Comcast yet refuse to pay Comcast's extra fees for priority bandwidth. Well, if you try to use their site it's going to run slower because the source is being restricted. It's one example but a real one.

[–]aezu97 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It would definitely affect me, some game servers are in Washington state so my already sub-par connection will turn to crap.

[–]exadrid 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It would be huge for the tech businesses in Canada. They would have a huge advantage in hosting their stuff in this country (even if americans would still be fucked by their government).

[–]mishugashu 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yep, there's not much you can do as a non-US citizen except watch in horror. Except if you have excess cash, and then you can still donate to foundations that fight this, like the EFF.

[–]krunchybacon 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are correct, it is currently a battle in the US right now. You should have nothing to worry about, not too long ago Canada ruled to uphold net neutrality.

[–]GravityHug 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don’t know how non-US citizens could influence the fate of NN in US, but I wouldn’t agree that there’s nothing to worry about for them, exactly. Internet as a whole would lose a great amount of services, websites, and people from the US — in quality, quantity, or both.

Less online startups would be happening, less people would be creating their original content to share online (e.g. Youtube), less people would be participating in the day-by-day internet discussions (e.g. Reddit), less players would be available in all online games — especially in those where the lower ping doesn’t matter that much.

No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

Internet would be less.

[–]Phi1ny3 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seems Brandi Maxx is back to being politically active again.

[–]crypomonde34 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Even Pornhub is calling out Ajit Pai/Comcast on their shit...

[–]hrkristian 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (2子コメント)

PornHub is probably one of the most progressive companies out there. This is par for the course for them. Remember, the company basically exists on the fringe of society by the mere nature of their business.

The "establishment" are who want NN to go away.

[–]HokusSchmokus 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why "even" Pornhub? They do stuff like this all the time.

[–]Faroh_ 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having to rely on PornHub to get things noticed in the political world, what a time to be alive.

[–]1k1k1k1k1k1k1k1k1k1k 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (28子コメント)

It would be so awesome if Google and Facebook joined. I don't get why they don't do that ...

[–]belgarionx 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (12子コメント)

In my country mobile providers already have Social Media Data Packs (Unlimited FB/Twitter/Instagram/YouTube etc. for cheap)

Now you know why.

[–]Fluffcake 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess they figured out they could make more money without net neutrality.

[–]OMGitisCrabMan 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That would be the fastest way to get me to stop using Facebook permanently.

[–]tkhan456 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Google just needs to shut down for one hour and people will understand or at least slow itself down to a crawl

[–]g4tam20 363 ポイント364 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'd be fine with pornhub going all black for a day

[–]INTRUD3R_4L3RT 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get Twitter to join and watch Trump go bananas.

[–]itwasquiteawhileago 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I already have been in contact with my rep, but he's a complete waste of space. Chris Collins (R) is a total asswipe about everything, so this is no surprise. He gives the same BS about not having government overreach, but he also said that his committee was looking at creating legislation which would accomplish the same thing that the FCC Title II classification of ISPs accomplished. I asked him, specifically, what he was going to propose, and I've received no answer. Big surprise. My two (D) senators, however, are clearly on board for NN.

I've shifted to talking with my state senator, asking him to create laws for NYS in the event that the Feds fuck this all up. The community manager I've been talking with has been pretty positive in my conversations. I guess the legislation is wrapping up in the next few weeks, but after that he's going to take all my information I've sent him and have a chat with the Senator to see what his thoughts are. I pointed him to your website and referenced the event for 12 July as part of the overwhelming support for NN. I feel like my state might actually have a chance to protect us where Dump and Co. can't/won't. Then again, my state senator is an (R), so hope is minimal. But I will continue to fight the fight.

[–]JackGetsIt 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If one percent of the populace put the political effort in that you just exerted we wouldn't have half of the issues we do in this country.

[–]trebory6 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm the administrator to several WordPress websites, is there a plugin I can activate on that day or a redirect to another site I can do?

We don't get a lot of unique visitors, but all the sites are involved in the entertainment industry so if I can raise awareness to our clients, then hopefully that'll spark something.

[–]snoozieboi 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

European here. There is nothing European citizens nor governments can do?

[–]Gaviero 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for asking. You could donate to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF): https://www.eff.org/

[–]fatclownbaby 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Netflix should stream everything in 240p

[–]EarthDayIsEveryDay 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could tagline it "Imagine paying your ISP $40 extra a month to get your regular streaming quality back."

Thats all we would need. We'd win.

[–]justsean09 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We really do live in an era of greed. I hate politicians and their hunger for power and I hate the greedy cxnts that only care about money. If enough people listened and agreed, I would propose nation-wide protests across the UK and US seeing as we have both been getting shafted by our 'overlords' for far too long.