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julian2006

why do so many men speak to you like they’re giving a ted talk

ghostguest

I need a frame of reference here

julian2006

go and find the nearest man who’s read one book and talk to him

earlgraytay

….well, this is ableist and anti-intellectual as fuck. 

earlgraytay

OK, I’m going to elaborate on this even though I’m doing the exact thing this post is about and proving your point, but this is a thing that cheeses me right the fuck off. 

There’s nothing wrong with learning things. There’s doubly nothing wrong with wanting to show them off. Or wanting to Explain A Thing in detail. In a perfect world- or at least my perfect world- that would just be a part of daily conversation. “HEY, I LEARNED ABOUT THIS COOL THING OVER THE WEEKEND, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW TOO???” 

Explaining The Thing in detail - infodumping- is a thing that a lot of autistic people do. Men and women both, though autistic guys are a little more prone to it because they don’t get the intense social conditioning that autistic gals get. Most of my friends are on the spectrum and so like 85% of our conversation is just us Infodumping At Each Other about Special Interests. 

I have a friend, fr’ instance, who really likes mecha anime. I know more about mecha anime than I ever would have found out on my own because said friend likes to infodump about mecha anime and talk about the fanfic she’s writing. I have another friend who’s fascinated by tiny eastern European countries, and I’ve learned a hell of a lot about Kosovo and its environs because of her. Similarly, I went on for like six hours the other night about the entire plot of Bioshock Infinite and how it all interconnects and the bits of the story that are hidden in audio diaries and stuff. 

This is just how our brains work. It’s normal for us. I think it’s normal for a lot of people, on and off the spectrum. Explaining The Thing is fun. It’s stimulating. It makes us happy. 

 And like I get it, what you’re talking about is dudes that do that while being condescending jagoffs, explaining things to you that you already know or treating every conversation like it’s a Debate ™ or whatever. 

but. a lot of feminist Discourse about this tends to elide the difference between the two things. in a way that implies ‘people talking at length about what they’re interested in is bad’. or ‘people wanting to learn new things and share them with other people is bad’.

and yes. i said ‘people’, not ‘men’. because shit like this has fucking splash damage. an autistic woman who hears this Discourse isn’t going to think “ugh, men, amirite”. she’s going to think “the way my brain works is Bad and Wrong, i need to change it to be accepted by other women”.  

this is fucking garbage. it’s unnecessarily mean. if you want to talk about guys being condescending jagoffs, say that. don’t talk about how guys being remotely intellectual is bad. when you do that, you don’t just hurt the people you want to hurt; you hurt autistic people, especially autistic women. 

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isaacsapphire:
“ obiternihili:
“ h3lldalg0:
“ obiternihili:
“ ranma-official:
“ zoobus:
“ diversionofpoetry:
“XD my brother is 24 and he still does this haha
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That’s really pathetic, hope he gets help
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who the fuck punches holes in walls that’s...
diversionofpoetry

XD my brother is 24 and he still does this haha

zoobus

That’s really pathetic, hope he gets help

ranma-official

who the fuck punches holes in walls that’s insane are you people made out of money is it an especially dumb american meme like spelling bee and voting republican please explain i need help

obiternihili

Not made of money. That’s why it ain’t fixed yet!

also usually the people I think of with these are Ken Park rejects, so yeah.

Ken Park - that’s a movie that took place like half an hour away from me! I like it, because I know people like the people in it. Like all of ‘em. You could watch it, or like, Kyle Kallgren/Oancitizen’s review of it if you can’t be assed to stomach it; I even think there’s a russian sub of the review on youtube if that’s your thing. Just, be warned, that guy with the glasses style sketches here and there.

h3lldalg0

>are you people made of money

…it’s not hard to fix a wall

obiternihili

We’re talking about “If I don’t get $5 for gas, I’ll lose my job that pays me the $5 I need for gas to get to work and the $5 I need so I don’t end up homeless tonight” people

isaacsapphire

Ime, your average man is significantly more likely to know basic plastering and wall repair because #notallmen but a heck of a lot more men than women lose their temper and punch a hole in their bedroom wall as teens. And then a lot of parents at least force him/teach him how to repair the damage he did, so at least he gets a learning experience out of it.

Maybe it is an American cultural meme? That one may punch a wall in anger, and presumably related to the methods of housing construction used. Presumably punching the wall in a house made of bricks or stones would have different results and probably be less of a cultural meme.

lyycernment

I think you’re on point, punching a wall in Europe is a lot more likely to end up with broken knuckles than a broken wall so it’s not much of a thing (it still exists though)

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happinessisnotalwaysfun

One thing this latest political cycle has done has firmed up a commitment to communism which was very vague before?

I’d now describe myself politically as socially libertarian, soft-communist floating voter.

Libertarian views are still the most important to me, things like regulation of porn or drugs are the things I’d most likely turn out a 4000 word effortpost on.

But yes, I feel very certain thst the key ideas of communism are good, and we should work towards them slowly - without jettisoning the good thst also comes under capitalism. The main boosts for me have been like,

1) fully automated luxury communism, and a growing understanding of how automation and globalisation are going to make huge swathes of the population essentially useless;

2) annoyance that only one of our two political parties thinks “paying everyone a living wage” and “giving everyone rights as a worker” is a good idea; fury at the Conservative idea that allowing companies to pay people a pittance to work ludicrous hours, and subsidising that with benefits, is a good idea.

3) Being bought a damn house, like it’s a real illustration of how the problem isn’t “rich people” or even like right wing governments, but the accumulation of capital over time, and how having it makes such a difference. I worked so hard to save up for a home, and was actually getting - not close, but in the zone - so having my folks just swoop in and fix it overnight caused a huge sense of dissonance.

I also think in the last couple of years I’ve developed a much better understanding of like the advantages I’ve had in life, which is embarrassing to say at the age of 28 but there it is.

4) I really don’t think I can go back to work, but benefit won’t cover my rent. By rent, I mean repaying my family for the house, an amount which is £200 less than the average London rent for a single room, and at least £1000 less than what I’d be paying to a landlord if I lived here. So how do people who CAN’T essentially set their own rent, and CAN be evicted manage on the benefit? The mind ~boggles~

So yah, soft communism yo.

lyycernment

The problem with paying everyone a “living wage” is, what happens if the worker is not profitable to the company because the salary imposed by the law is too high? This will become more and more relevant with the progress of automation.

In the other hand companies, especially bigger ones, have a disproportionate negotiating power compared to the worker which is an argument in favour of minimum wage.

An alternative (the only I can think of tbh) to minimum wage would be wealth redistribution through a partial or total UBI, but it also comes with its share of problems… 

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hellotailor

With a screenplay by Rhianna Pratchett, daughter of Terry Pratchett, we’re finally going to see an adaptation of The Wee Free Men.

The Wee Free Men introduced Tiffany Aching, the young witch who starred in several of Pratchett’s last Discworld books. It also features a group of Discworld characters who seem absolutely perfect for a Jim Henson movie: the Nac Mac Feegle, a community of foul-mouthed and gleefully violent gnomes.

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meabhair

*HIGH PITCHED SCREAMING*

i hope this is glorious

@thebibliosphere have you seen this?

thebibliosphere

I’ve been indisposed for most of the day but yes! I saw it on Facebook and promptly lost my shit for a good few minutes. I am very excited to see how this turns out :)

the-tao-of-fandom

Excite! Also:

“The Discworld series offers a wide range of genres and characters, and the Ankh Morpork City Watch books (a series of law enforcement adventure stories) are probably the most obvious choice for a Hollywood adaptation. Unfortunately, the humor and absurdity of the Discworld series just doesn’t fit with the expectation that adult fantasy stories should be dark and gritty, likeLord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, and Warcraft.” 

Who’s gonna tell them?

thebibliosphere

It’s my honest opinion that Hollywood couldn’t handle Discworld at it’s darkest.

It would want to take Sam Vimes and either make him into their kind of Good Hero (who are generally neither), or it would make him into the Villain, because they wouldn’t know what to do with a character like him. They wouldn’t know what to do with a man who is cynical and dark and terrified of his own thoughts and so filled with rage he becomes a beacon of light and hope instead.

They wouldn’t know what to do with Lady Sybil other than make her into a jolly fat woman who dotes on her “barely-tolerating-husband” and has an eccentric hobby in breeding dragons. They wouldn’t make her tall and fat and so sure of herself you could bounce a nuclear missile off her self confidence. They most certainly wouldn’t allow Sam and her to have a sex life, or if they did they’d kill her in childbirth because that’s “Realistic™”, right?

They wouldn’t know what to do with a woman like Granny Weatherwax without making her lament her spinsterhood, or twisting her magic into something dark and fueled by loneliness. They wouldn’t know what to do with an old baggage like Nanny Ogg without turning her into pure comedic relief for Granny’s darkness, when what she actually is is incredibly complex and powerful in her own right because Nanny’s power is not having to use magic at all.

They’d take Tiffany Aching and make her “spunky” and a rebel, when in fact all Tiffany wanted to do was make sure no one ever got hurt for being different ever again.

Brother Brutha would become a fated prophet when all he was was a simple man who believed in being kind and changed an entire religion and culture simply by being so.

Vetinari would become a monster, an evil man who controlled the city with an iron grip, not because he loved it, but because he can, when Vetinari never wants power, not really. He’s a tyrant yes, but only because the world is so profoundly messed up that it needed someone to get to the top and say “No, no more…” and sometimes the world needs good men to do bad things, because as much as Hollywood might want to make us believe, bad men rarely do good.

Death would either become cold and uncaring or tragic, when he is in fact neither. Death is not justice and he knows this, Death is just death, so he tries to be kind and do his job as efficiently as possible because at the end of the day, that’s what is required of him. Susan would become this hard nosed bitter “don’t talk to me” bitch with the powers of Death and would constantly suffer the urge to use it on “bad people” because that’s what Hollywood does to women with any kind of power, when Susan is actually the Goth version of Mary Poppins and also considerably kinder because she takes the fear of children and teaches them how to make it into a weapon against the thing that frightens them. She knows they don’t need to be told there are no monsters under the bed because there are, what she does instead, is show them that monsters can be beaten. She empowers them in a way children rarely are, and she does it without a spoonful of sugar because that shit will rot your teeth.

Carrot would become the fallen King, banished from his realm and forever longing for a throne he can never have when in fact he chose, he chose to carry a lantern and walk the streets at night because the night might well be dark and full of terrors, but it doesn’t have to be.

Hollywood wouldn’t know how to handle Discworld at it’s darkest, because at its darkest Discworld is so overwhelmingly human in its need for hope it hurts. And Hollywood doesn’t deal with human, it deals with tropes, and that’s what is wrong with the majority of mainstream media at the moment. People are not tropes. 

As for the whole idea of “the world is dark and terrible so we all must be grim faced and stoic”, like have you been to a funeral? Do you know how many people laugh at funerals? Do you know how many people smile, and hug and kiss and cling to each other with such profound love because that’s what humans do? We look at the darkness and we follow the sunrise. Grief might be the price we pay for love, but that doesn’t make love a weakness.

And Jim Henson understood that. His family, understands that. And it makes me happy that it’s them who are involved in this adaptation of The Wee Free Men.

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argumate

you can think of emotions as being helpful/unhelpful instead of right/wrong.

getting a little angry when someone is deliberately jerking you around can be helpful if not taken to excess, while flying into a rage over a trivial inconvenience usually isn’t.

sadness can have a purpose we all learned from watching Inside Out, and while enjoyment is usually enjoyable for its own sake it can vary in how helpful it is depending on exactly what you’re doing and why.

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cyborgbutterflies

I am very critical of antifa’s methods, obviously. They’d probably attack me as a milquetoast liberal or whatever, but I’m also really concerned about how a lot of apparent moderates are radicalizing against them in response to antifa violence.

I have even seen a few people who I imagined were against liberal-ish and against doxxing posting in support of doxxing antifa.

At that point, they’re basically reacting to people they consider dangerous the same way many toxic leftists do. They dehumanize their enemies just like both antifa and its targets do.

So what even is the point? Do they actually want bad behavior to stop or is it fine if it happens to the outgroup? How are their principles and methods different from those of any of the other jerks in that conflict?

I feel like it would be a bad idea to trust or associate with anyone who discards their principles like that.

None of you are free of sin.

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naliya

About offense

naliya

People really need to get over the fallacious idea that offense is one of the worst thing one can do to someone. And even more than that: that something being offensive can never be useful. I’m sorry but some people should and need to be offended; because sometimes… hell, most of the times in fact, there is no way to achieve progress without offending some people along the line.

If, for instance, my kissing my girlfriend offends the religious right (no matter the flavour), then I’m sorry but they need to keep being offended until they’re not. Because feelings aren’t always right nor valid, sometimes feelings are wrong and above all you can’t prioritise offended feelings over humans and their rights to live in freedom and in peace.

I know that people on here will say that, obviously, they agree with the idea that homophobes should keep being offended and that it’s not what they mean when they shut down conversations over offenses and ask for “safe spaces”; but the thing is… this attitude is part of the problem, because it creates an atmosphere where suddenly every feelings become valid arguments in themselves and as such deserve to be given a platform over actual reasoned conversation, and it creates a society of echo-chambers of self validation where nobody ever see their ideas be challenged - including the people who’s ideas are bad ideas.

To give a concrete example: when I see American universities banning speakers such as Maryam Namazie or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for the sole reason that some people might have their religious feelings offended, I don’t even know what to tell them anymore. Suddenly the violent opression and struggles of aheists and ex-muslims in the Islamic world should be silenced because… some westerners might have their religious feelings hurt? It has to stop, people need to stop privileging feelings and ideological purity over human rights.

And moreover; fascists of all flavours are using this platform that the well-intentioned left has created, to claim spaces that they should never have been given; it’s what happens when suddenly people’s feelings of fear, anger and offense become as valid as arguments as plain facts. When politicians, activists, people… take those feelings as face value and have forgotten to talk, to converse, to ask “why” and “are those feelings founded”. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying you shouldn’t adress people’s concerned feelings - obviously you should and debunk them if needed - BUT I do not think using those feelings as arguments in themself a la Marine Le Pen is helpful, to put it mildly.

If someone’s offended feelings result in the oppression of someone else’s speech, of someone else’s sexual freedom, of someone else’s right to exist… etc… Then those feelings should keep being offended and challenged with more speech, more arguments and more conversation, it is in fact crucial that they are.

voicelessvociferation

Agreed. My god, the notion that one individual’s perception should control a global conversation is asinine. One’s feelings do not define what’s worth speaking of, they should simply be anecdotal as opposed to the entirety of the conversation.

naliya

Yes exactly. 

Honestly, I’m probably going to sound very harsh in about a second, but to me the idea that “your feelings always matter” is only good for your personal sphere, it has no use beyond that. Of course, you probably should care about your feelings on a personal level, and so should the people who love you, your family, your significant other… etc… should care and take them into consideration, sure. But the idea that some western teenager’s offended feelings should be taken into consideration in themselves when deciding what somebody such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali should be allowed to say about the reality and the culture she comes from, comes across as… painfully self-important, and that’s putting it nicely. 

It is not enough to say “I’m offended” in order to demand that other people shut up about what you personally find uncomfortable, it should never be enough. You’re offended? So what; make your case, take part in the conversation, argue back. Being offended is not an argument, it’s nothing but a feeling that shouldn’t have any bearing when it comes to deciding the kind of discourse a society should (or shouldn’t for that matter) give any space to. 

bambamramfan

Brute Reason on boundaries & tone policing

ineptshieldmaid

Why might someone have a boundary about being screamed at or being called a worthless piece of shit? Sure, it could be because they just want to stew in their privilege and avoid any criticism of their words or actions.

Or it could be because of their own abuse history. Some people who were screamed at or called worthless pieces of shit by abusers may be triggered by it now. Or they may just be unwilling to allow anyone to speak to them that way ever again. (Remember that one of the functions of abuse is to make the victim feel worthless, so if you’re using language that’s intended to make someone feel worthless, you are utilizing abusive dynamics, even if the other person has more privilege than you on some axis.)

It could also be because of their mental health issues. Many people with anxiety can shut down and become nonverbal when spoken to extremely harshly. Screaming at someone can trigger a panic attack. Calling a person with suicidal ideation “worthless” or “a piece of shit” can provoke them to harm themselves, since it confirms the worst things they tell themselves.

Unfortunately, when someone has a mental illness, these types of responses are a risk no matter what. Sometimes even the most gentle criticism can cause a person with depression to spiral into self-hatred. But just because we can’t prevent all harm doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to prevent some harm, and a good place to start is by respecting stated boundaries. If someone tells you they can’t handle being yelled at, assume they have a good reason for setting that boundary, because they probably do.

But I’m going to take it one step further to say this: you don’t need to be triggered by something, or experience strong negative reactions to it, in order to have the right to set boundaries around it.

Miri Mogilevsky at Brute Reason

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If there isn’t a word for this line of reasoning, there should be.

“Don’t say [obviously mean thing that serves only to intimidate or belittle a fellow human being due to immutable group membership] because they might also be part of [group your in-group considers worthy of empathy].”

A couple of weeks ago, I saw this argument over and over again in an argument on a blog I follow about bi women. “Be nice to bi girls,” it goes, “because they might not even date cishet males. For example, you could be implying cishetmale collaboration/contamination in women who date only NB people!”

In this case, it’s abuse victims as a subset of some other larger group deemed worthy of being called pieces of shit.

Previously, I’ve seen this as, “don’t make horrible blanket statements about men because trans men might think you’re talking about them!”

This sounds like empathy, but it’s really just a complaint that the lines demarcating unpeople were drawn slightly incorrectly. The fact that you’re declaring open season on any class for what is obviously dehumanizing verbal abuse is the main problem. Not that you might catch up someone with ideological protection in the vitriol. That’s just CYA.

So does a word for this word exist? If not, what should it be?

(Slightly less endorsed, the quasi-inverse of this, in which people argue that their group should not be dehumanized because it contains sub-groups worthy of sympathy. The most painfully common example is repeatedly trotting out the poor socioeconomic state of Hmong immigrants to the US just so the suburban-born sons and daughters of Korean-American middle-managers can use their Asian heritage to play Oppression Olympics.)

Source: ineptshieldmaid
immanentizingeschatons
random-thought-depository

“I have a theory that much recent tech development and innovation over the last decade or so has had an unspoken overarching agenda—it has been about facilitating the need for LESS human interaction. It’s not a bug—it’s a feature. … I see a pattern emerging in the innovative technology that has gotten the most attention, gets the bucks and often, no surprise, ends up getting developed and implemented. What much of this technology seems to have in common is that it removes the need to deal with humans directly. The tech doesn’t claim or acknowledge this as its primary goal, but it seems to often be the consequence. I’m sort of thinking maybe it is the primary goal. There are so many ways imagination can be manifested in the technical sphere. Many are wonderful and seem like social goods, but allow me a little conspiracy mongering here—an awful lot of them have the consequence of lessening human interaction.

… Engineers and coders as people are often less than comfortable with human interaction, so naturally they are making a world that is more accommodating to themselves.

This last one might be a bit contentious, but hear me out. My theory is that much tech was coded and created by folks somewhere on the spectrum (I should know—I’m different now, but I used to find most social interactions terrifying). Therefore, for those of us who used to or who do find human interactions awkward and uncomfortable, there would naturally be an unconscious drive to make our own lives more comfortable—why wouldn’t we? One way for an engineer to do that would be to remove as much human interaction from their life, and therefore also our lives, as possible.”


I’ve been reading up on robotics lately, and this puts its finger on something that makes me uneasy about the implicit Silicon Valley vision of the future: it looks like the utopia of somebody who doesn’t particularly like dealing with other people (or at least with strangers).

Drone deliveries instead of mailmen, robo-cars instead of busses and taxis, order screens instead of cashiers, robots instead of waiters, cleaners, and nurses, online education instead of classrooms … put it all together and there’s a definite arc of transforming the utilitarian side of daily life from a social experience to a solitary experience. You could even see the grand UBI + automation vision as fitting into this: most jobs are social experiences, having money unconditionally auto-deposited to your account every month is a solitary experience. In such a robotopian future people will still socialize, e.g. by getting together with friends or seeking partners on dating sites, but they will increasingly do so only on their own terms; the necessity of dealing with other humans just to survive will be reduced or eliminated. Think of common stereotypes of tech types in relation to this, and it’s not hard to read in a desire to eliminate potential sources of social friction by replacing interactions with humans (who have independent will and desire) with interactions with machines (which do not). A self check-out machine will never get annoyed with you for insisting on digging out 11 cents worth of change instead of just handing over a ten dollar bill, and a robot bus will never get sassy with you over a miscommunication (as a human bus driver once did with me).

I strongly suspect I’m on the spectrum myself and have struggled with social stuff, so I have sympathy for this impulse … but I’m uneasy with it. If this is happening, it seems like an unrepresentative clique optimizing the future for their own atypical priorities and preferences, without realizing that’s what they’re doing.

Of course, some critiques come to mind:


If you look at what capitalism is actually doing instead of futurological speculations, what’s actually happening is kind of the opposite of this. Communication technology has exploded, while the roboticization of daily life remains mostly a fantasy. And jobs that are relatively low on social interaction have declined, while the social-intensive jobs (service and helping professions and bureaucracy) have become more important. Say what you will about factory work, but it required little emotional labor - and that’s an option that’s increasingly being foreclosed. Near-term trends seem likely to further this: the near future will probably have less factory workers and drivers and more waiters, cleaners, nurses, doctors, salespeople, and bureaucrats. This is terrible for socially awkward people, at least on the employment end. Incidentally, I think this is a major factor behind the rise of gender anxiety: women tend to be better than men at the sort of servile sociality that this sort of economy demands.

I think this may have something to do with the fact that Silicon Valley doesn’t actually rule our civilization: Wall Street, Washington, and Main Street get a say too, and they’re either psychologically typical (Main Street, by definition) or skew toward different atypical personalities (my cynical side suspects that Washington and Wall Street skew toward sociopaths with high cognitive empathy, i.e. the socially awkward person’s natural predator). Futurology looks different from reality because Silicon Valley and its adjacent fellow travelers have much more influence over futurological fantasies than over the real shape of society.


As @bambamramfan said, the actual trend isn’t so much toward simple dehumanization as transactionalization. I think this actually fits pretty well into an expanded version of Byrne’s thesis though.

- The great nemesis of socially awkward people is the tendency of human societies to be full of unwritten rules, implicit contracts, unacknowledged hierarchies, and unpredictable impulsive spontaneity. Transactionalization means the rules and contracts become explicit, and spontaneous impulsivity is circumscribed (breaking the contract means negative consequences). I’ve talked about the possible relationship I see between autism adjacency and preferring explicit contracts before. I think you could tie this back to David Byrne’s idea and suggest robotocization, transactionalization, bureaucratization, feminist “no means no” sex norms etc. as aspects of an attempt by socially awkward people to “terraform” society into something more hospitable to themselves (or perhaps I should say ourselves).

- I’ve been reading Just Ordinary Robots, and one of the points they make is that social rationalization often prefigures and paves the way for mechanization. First social practices are reformed to be more consistent and efficient, and this makes them more amenable to automation, and then they are automated. The assembly line factory is much more robot-friendly than the sixteenth century workshop. One of the reasons industry is so friendly to robots is it’s a controlled environment that’s already heavily rationalized. It would be easier to create home robots or car robots if our homes or highways were more rationalized (think of railroads for a much more rationalized version of a highway).


Of course, this is all based on fairly crude stereotyping. All I can say about that is, I don’t think stereotypes are an entirely useless heuristic. And I’m a socially awkward nerd who may be on the spectrum, so Byrne’s idea sounds believable to me because I can see the appeal of replacing interactions with potentially surly humans with interactions with safe and obedient robots for somebody like myself.

Edit: I also want to say I disagree with Byrne about social media. It’s true it isn’t as rich as face-to-face interaction, but I think it contains the essence of the social: you’re dealing with other intelligent beings with minds, agendas, desires etc. of their own.

immanentizingeschatons

So, a few thoughts


If this is a trend I support it.

I mean yes, many people like lots of interacting with random strangers but the point here isn’t to make that impossible, but to make it voluntary.

And yeah, unfortunately, that will leave some people without as much interaction as they want because not everyone is going to go out and do that. That’s not good, and I would want to help those people as much as possible but…I suppose its kind of analogous to people saying they would be bored out of their minds if they weren’t required to sell labor for survival- and letting them sign up for such a scenario wouldn’t cause them to choose it, or it wouldn’t feel real to them if they could leave. It’s an anti-preference is the problem, a preference to not have a choice, and the thing is there is no ethical way to fulfill anti-preferences.

Labor automation is a different sort of issue, though of course tied all in here. In theory it can do a lot of good and is required for utopia but under the current system moves in that direction could easily make things worse, because labor markets are evil and also we don’t have enough redistribution ready.


Looking at the actual article though I really don’t think Byrne has made a case for this being a thing though. I mean, all of it can easily be explained by being profitable.

The examples he gives are wonky too- his view of social media is very weird and you are correct about that, but also IMO it doesn’t make sense to describe social media anxiety as arising from lack of social interaction, if anything it is a problem from too much, or too little privacy, or knowing too much about one’s acquaintances, but too little? That makes no sense. 

(I also think what social media you are talking about here matters a lot- tumblr is very different from facebook)

Gig jobs are problematic because of labor stuff, not how they effect clients, and I think most of the other things listed here fit that too- actually one of the things Uber did that was most concerning was their ranking system, which seems like a case of making jobs more social, not less. 


And then there is this…

Neuroscientist Antonio Damasio wrote about a patient he called Elliot, who had damage to his frontal lobe that made him unemotional. In all other respects he was fine—intelligent, healthy—but emotionally he was Spock. Elliot couldn’t make decisions. He’d waffle endlessly over details. Damasio concluded that though we think decision-making is rational and machinelike, it’s our emotions that enable us to actually decide.

EMOTIONS ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY WITH RATIONALITY AND WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SOCIAL INTERACTION AND…

Remove humans from the equation and we are less complete as people or as a society. “We” do not exist as isolated individuals—we as individuals are inhabitants of networks, we are relationships. That is how we prosper and thrive.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

a possibility to believe in “fictions” such as nations, money, religions and legal institutions.

Money and legal institutions are not “fictions”, and Byrne thinks increased belief in religions and nations is a good thing?!


I think you are correct that the actual direction has largely been opposite of this.

Also I’m really not sure if the leadership of Silicon Valley actually fits the neurotype described here?

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