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Sarkeesian interviews Arkane's Harvey Smith, gets him to admit Emily was added because of SJWs (youtube.com)

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[–]DEG23 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I thought Aunty Anita had moved on from video games.

I still remember when they announced Dishonored 2 and revealed the two playable characters and she tweeted about how much of a shame it was that it didn't feature a female protagonist only. That's the day I learned the true meaning of feminism's "equality".

[–]ExpendableOne 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I had hoped the video game industry had moved on from Anita. Why was she even at e3?

[–]MazInger-Z 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably to shore up her cred in case her attempts to go mainstream fall flat.

She's trying to get out of video games during a time when SJ is getting blowback everywhere.

[–]MosesZD 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because her new video venture isn't gaing any traction and she's desperate to maintain the gravy train.

The FREQ Show

  • Episode 1: 60K views

  • Episode 2: 41K views

  • Episode 3: 43K views

vs

Tropes:

  • Episode 1: 2.7 MILLION views

  • Episode 2: 1.3 MILLION views

  • Episode 3: 941K views

  • Episode 4 1.2 MILLION views

[–]lordsmish 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No doubt most of the tropes views were from people in disagreement

[–]Orgell_Evaan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tough to replace the Lulz bloc of viewers, I guess.

[–]White_Phoenix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Millions of downvotes.

[–]ceyen1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Speaking of ventures, just wondering whatever happened to Ordinary Women? She made $200,000 off that right?

[–]jlenoconel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Engadget keeps on inviting her to shit.

[–]UltimateScorpion 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought she completely ignored it alongside ReCore and Horizon Zero Dawn and focused instead on Fallout4 and especially Doom4's glorified violence that year.

[–]The14thNoahtriggered from here to Tucson 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, she managed to dedicate some time to complain about how Dishonored 2 was equal.

[–]ElvisDepressedIy -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She said this because she's a sexist, but I think this probably should have happened for a different reason.

The game was clearly designed with Emily in mind. Corvo has no purpose. He's just a tacked on choice for people who got attached to him in the first game. For the purpose of making a tighter narrative where the canon is a bit more clear, they should've just made Emily the only choice. It's her game. It's what the developers wanted to do, but they were obviously too chickenshit to be decisive.

[–]dualestl 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why would anyone accept to get interviewed by her? You could literally have the same discussion and insight with a hobo from across the street.

Matter of fact who the hell gave her a E3 pass?

[–]Bomb_adil[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Matter of fact who the hell gave her a E3 pass?

Engadget apparently hired her as a E3 host for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2JMLuYkmoc

[–]AcidJiles 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well there were other reasons I never go there anymore but I can add this to the list.

[–]Wiseguy300 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The more they keep giving her a platform, the more my sympathy for the industry drops like a ton of bricks.

I wish they'd just tell her "Here's the door. Go away. You've done enough damage".

[–]Javier_Mendoza 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. Why this shameless, parasitic whore keeps getting invited to shit all over an industry she obviously cares nothing about, I have no idea.

Nerds need to grow a backbone and stop being so thirsty for female attention.

[–]descartessss 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because game dev in position of power, writers, directors are SJWm while the business people are convinced to increase the sells with that. I doub't logic based jobs like coding has many sjws in them.

[–]BarkOverBite 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doub't logic based jobs like coding has many sjws in them.

And most of the ones that are there are just there to gatekeep to try and keep as many men out of there, can't let even more misogynists in after all.

[–]jlenoconel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could almost feel her trying to force the guy to give her an acceptable answer, like what he was telling her wasn't good enough. I felt a slight air of uncomfortableness, like he didn't wanna say the wrong thing either way.

[–]MeremadesingsMods /r/neogaming 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I liked playing Emily. Her powers were fun and I enjoyed the gameplay. The story had some issues. The writers seemed to want me to sympathize with Deliah and her witches, but I played the Brigmore Witches DLC and I just have no sympathy for mass-murdering cannibals.

[–]i_am_the_ginger 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only thing I didn't like were the mechanics of Far Reach; it made it so much harder to get on ledges from a sharp angle under it.

[–]MeremadesingsMods /r/neogaming 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, the teleporting powers reach never worked quiet how I wanted them too. Neat animation, but need a little more to get the most out of them.

[–]i_am_the_ginger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, that was the only thing that made me not enjoy Emily as much as Corvo.

[–]FooQuuxman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were doing the cannibaling-murdering thing again in D2 also.

[–]NeoNGANGSTA56k Get Party! Diversity Expert with a CoC 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Well I'll admit that the way they introduced Emily was okay and not just SJW pandering. (at least from what I saw in the trailers and reviews)

She does have a place in the story, she is relevant and vital to the progression of the story, you could CHOOSE to play as her or Korvo (very good from their part) and overall she seems like a decent, well acted character.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if any company were to introduce female leads to their already established franchises, this is a really good way to do it. Give the player the choice and establish her importance in the story overall.

Don't just throw some chick at us, for the sake off "Im really scared of FemFreq interviewing me and saying we didn't come up with an Arabic female, transgender saving Sweden from the evil grasps of the Green Frog and his army of delicious cakes"

cough-EA-cough

[–]Havel-the-Rock 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Dishonored 2 has a strange place in my heart. I liked Dishonored 1 a lot, not necessarily because the gameplay was something fantastic or the narrative was superb but because the setting was dope as shit. Gameplay was decent and narrative was present but not overbearing. It was also nice when just as you thought the game was over, BAM! Get double crossed and enjoy the best level in the game.

First and foremost, but only in hindsight, the sequel had the issue of everything going exactly as planned. The enemy targets fall like dominoes and the protagonist, be it Corvo or Emily, does not suffer a single setback. I felt like the chaos system was slightly improved but it still wasn't enough to justify augmenting a playstyle. I also kind of felt like Emily has superior abilities but that's subjective. At the end of the day, I agree with you. Emily was handled well enough and including her was justification for a second playthrough.

Something that was extremely noticeable though was that nearly every female character of note is either a lesbian or a tranny. Emily is an implied lesbian, the witches are a lesbianic cult, Mindy Blanchard is a tranny, Meagan Foster is implied to be bisexual, and there might be more but I can't think right now. Not that that in and of itself is a problem per se, just noticeable. I could easily pass it off as fictional characters within a fictional world, who cares, but between the blue haired problem glasses that was on the project and now this, it's no surprise.

The last point which to me is more important than the previous point, was that level design for the most part took a step back. There was, I felt, a single moment of brilliance: Addermire had a very Bioshock 1 feel and Hypatia was a much more dynamic target than the rest. Apart from that, even the flagship areas like the clockwork mansion and Stilton mansion felt gimmicky and/or bland. The formula for almost every mission was: penetrate a large outdoor area full of guards to get to a large indoor area full of guards. There was no flooded district to spice things up although I'll grant that unlike Dishonored 1, at the very least, Dishonored 2's areas were visually different, with the exception of the fucking take-the-same-goddam-area-from-the-last-game final mission.

Apart from that, I felt like the aesthetic of Karnacka wasn't as interesting visually or conceptually as Dunwall. There wasn't really much of an emphasis on the bloodfly plague and the only time I felt like it was addressed was in the dust district although at that point, the game is almost over. Not that Dishonored 1 did the rat plague any special service outside the flooded district but it was an interesting part of the larger story.

[–]Tico117 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hold on, I thought Emily had a male... Boyfriend/suitor/really close friend and you can ready letters he writes to Emily.

I have r maybe I just have bad memory.

[–]i_am_the_ginger 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, there's a letter from him to Emily to find in the safe room right at the beginning.

[–]Tico117 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He also sends one to her later on.

[–]Havel-the-Rock 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah you can read some correspondence but the gender is never explicitly stated (use of "they") I remember reading a thing about how in like the German and/or French versions of the game mistranslated something to imply Wyman was male. That sounds like at the very least, the gender was meant to remain unspecified. Combine that with the name "Wyman" itself and it could be seen as an implied lesbian relationship, or at the very least, not strictly heterosexual. Otherwise, why even mention it was a mistranslation?

The best I have here is some writer mentioning the topic in an AMA. http://archive.is/xeG07

[–]Tico117 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guess I'm just a shitlord then for assuming his gender then. Oh well.

[–]marinuso 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

but between the blue haired problem glasses that was on the project and now this, it's no surprise.

If you really want to start reading into it this deeply (where have the times gone when you'd just play the game), you can also note that the enemies are a lesbianic cult that are intent on remaking the world in their image, supported by gone-off-the-rails offspring of the elite, and you have to stop them on behalf of the old order. And they operate out of an art institute they've taken over.

That's a lot less subtle than finding out about Mindy and Meagan (the first requires using the heart on her a bunch of times, the second you can figure out from notes on the ship.) That really can't be called pushing IMO - you could play the whole game and never notice. Note also that they're both on the margins of society. Emily is actually implied to be heterosexual (via a letter in the safe room IIRC).

[–]Havel-the-Rock 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough. I'll give you that about having to do some hunting concerning Mindy and Meagan but if Dishonored 1 taught me anything, it's explore everywhere, read everything, use the damn heart.

I went back and looked at the note in question.

Emily,

I didn't want to wake you this morning, but you'll forgive me since we must have said goodbye a hundred times yesterday night. And the only chance I get to see you with your hair all whichever way is while you're asleep. As soon as the sun rises, you'll put on your Empress face. It makes me happy that I know your real face, the one that laughs at our silly rhymes.

I don't want to go back to Morley, but I'm needed there. It'll be four months before we see each other again. I'll miss you. And yes, I'll bring you some white leaf tobacco for your hookah. (Lord Corvo, if you're reading this letter as per your Royal Spymaster functions, know that I am joking and perfectly aware that the white leaf tobacco is forbidden in Gristol).

Take care, my daring Emily, don't go falling from a rooftop.

I love you.

-Wyman

Maybe I just don't see it. I put a link in another reply with some writer's AMA stating it was purposefully left vague but I digress.

Good point about the witches remaking the world in their image. That's quite funny now that I think about it. Also of note is that while the cult-like nature was present in the first game, it wasn't implied to be as explicitly lesbianic since I seem to recall some of the witches having the hots for Daud although perhaps since interactions with non-major character members of the witches is next to non existent in Dishonored 2, we don't get the same perspective.

[–]oaka23 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wyman is a dude's name

[–]sarcastabal 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did the talking bother you much? I loved Dishonored 1, still in the beginning of 2, part of it is I am irrationally annoyed by all the talking Emily (and I assume Corvo) does.

[–]Havel-the-Rock 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I don't think Corvo was as yappy as Emily but I can't really remember. A bit silly in a stealth game.

[–]Bomb_adil[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well I'll admit that the way they introduced Emily was okay and not just SJW pandering.

Cara Ellison afaik wrote that part, it doesn't get much more SJW than that: http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=cara_ellison http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=cara_ellison

we didn't come up with an Arabic female, transgender saving Sweden

Oh, but they did: http://store.steampowered.com/app/614570/Dishonored_Death_of_the_Outsider/

[–]Lolawalrus51 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Billie Lurk has been around since the first games DLC. They didn't just create her for this game.

EDIT: For giggles I looked it up. Billie Lurk was first featured in The Knife of Dunwall DLC released April 16th 2013, before gamergate even started. IMO she is fair game to put in any sequel regardless of SJW shenanigans.

[–]MindWeb125 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think people like to forget that both sides have people who misrepresent or ignore facts that don't fit their narrative.

[–]ReverendSalem [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, personally, the way the intro works for Dishonored 2 is actually really clever. It's literally the first 5 minutes of the game (and isn't a spoiler), there's unrest in Dunwall, people are unhappy with Emily's rule, and someone appears with a claim to the throne and attacks. Freeze-frame, and you choose between Emily and Corvo. The other is incapacitated as the the freeze-frame ends, and your ultimate goal is to take out the person with the claim to the throne and rescue the protagonist that wasn't chosen.

And Billie Lurk has history. I'm perfectly fine with her getting some story. Looking forward to it, actually.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that entirely the point thought? 'Female character because good character' is fine. That's what Emily is. She's a great character.

[–]EastGuardian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like female characters that were never made to pander to progressives. This is why I like Forte Stollen from the Galaxy Angel visual novels.

[–]Camusofkahdol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've played the game as both characters, and Emily really feels like the more natural protagonist within the story.

[–]mancubus314159 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, they did a really good job of it. If this was in any way prompted by fear rather than artistic direction, then it doesn't show. It's really well done and expands what you can do with the game significantly.

It even has a through-line from the first game, where towards the end of the game young Emily would show you a picture she had drawn. Depending on how "chaotically" you had played the game, the picture would be fire and brimstone or utopia. The game is significantly better (and replayable) because of it. If it was indeed prompted by SJW badgering, then it's the first time I know of where the product actually came out better.

[–]mightyenano -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

we didn't come up with an Arabic female, transgender saving Sweden from the evil grasps of the Green Frog and his army of delicious cakes"

Completely unrelated, but you just made me realize the true meaning of a section of the Mario Odyssey trailer... Long live Pepe

[–]iroquoispliskin01 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

where exactly did he say that. the video has too much anita for me to actually watch the whole thing

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He referred to AS/FF saying "The roles that it has for women are very narrow" about Dishonored 1.

[–]iroquoispliskin01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that statement kinda doesnt make sense. its like saying that something like half life doesnt have roles for women even though the game only focuses on 1 character and hes male. however in my opinion the emily was a great character and dishonored 2 didnt try to force female>male or anything like that.

[–]maesterl 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well... Playing as Emily was fun, so... Good? I guess? I don't really care what the fuck they do with the game as long as it's fun.

Edit: added word care

[–]TacticusThrowaway 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, no, no, comrade! This is Gamergate! You're supposed to be upset about the forced inclusion of female characters, not assessing the situation in a reasonable manner! /s

[–]MindWeb125 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny because a comment higher in this thread actually seems upset that Billie Lurk is the playable character in the new DLC.

[–]Rygar_the_Beast 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

she is a horrible interview. Doesnt set up a question she just trails off and ends a sentence. Which leaves the dude here hanging for a time because he doesnt know what was asked.

[–]jlenoconel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

At least she didn't go full feminazi on him. She seemed more reasonable than you maybe thought she would be, I guess. I do feel like he felt a bit uncomfortable answering some of her questions though.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I thought she was fine here.

[–]ceyen1 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

She looks like she stepped out of a morgue.

[–]TacticusThrowaway 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think the lighting works with that hair and shirt. And there's something going on with her makeup.

[–]dontyougetitnow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now we know why she needed tens of thousands of dollars to produce her videos with equipment that would be considered overkill for a Lucas Arts film.

[–]garybuseysawakeninglISten And beLIEve is a lie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I swear I've seen that exact print on a nurse's scrubs.

[–]shillingintensify 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Harvey was whipped into joining the clique early on, block bot user, spread some bullshit, meanwhile Warren Spector stayed out of it because he knew it was nonsense.

[–]gyrobot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

More bending of the knee as always.

[–]CloudedGamer 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haven't played Dishonuored 2 yet, but honestly Corvo didn't have any story left except saving his daughter more. Daud was actually more interesting. Emily growing up and becoming involved makes sense to me, however, the whole feminist pandering is part of the reason i've chosen to spend money elsewhere for now. Probably would have gotten it on release otherwise.

[–]oldirtybaron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I concur on Daud. The DLC for Dishonoured 1 was leagues better than the main game, and the main game was pretty good. Dishonoured 2 was a disappointment for me for many, many reasons; only one of which was the whole SJW spin.

[–]mnemosyne-0002chibi mnemosyne 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]CallMeBigPapaya 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How can she be so "successful" and such a "prominent voice", but still have such shitty production quality?

[–]graspee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's working on a shoestring budget! /s

[–]jlenoconel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like he felt uncomfortable with answering her questions, like if he said the wrong thing, that she would give him bad PR. I don't hate Bethesda for trying to create strong female characters, its up to them. I just bought the first Dishonored for Xbox One. Will definitely give it a whirl.

[–]CallMeBigPapaya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Women often get written out of history of course

I'll admit them, but that isn't an excuse to write them back into history 10 fold and as super heroes.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's an argument for historical accuracy, and there's also an argument for doing whatever you want in your fictional game.

The point, ultimately, is let developers develop, give suggestions if you want, make critique even, but stop telling developers that they're sexist, misogynist, perpetuating violence, etc by not caving to demands.

There's a huge and significant difference between:

I don't like the writing in this game because there's no strong female characters

and

This game and its developers are sexist and misogynist for not including strong female characters, and they marginalize female voices by doing this. And gamers that like the game are just misogynists.

[–]PSA_Sitch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. He looks so uncomfortable to be talking to her in the beginning.
  2. Remember when people would say, "why do you waste your time with Anita, she's a nobody..."

sigh

[–]EastGuardian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she ever touches Crusader Kings 2, there will be many who will scream Deus Vult at her while refuting her shit so hard that it would make that game very famous.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If he thought Anita made a valid point, then he thought Anita made a valid point.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly I thought the interview was OK.

It's the first time I've ever seen a video of AS in where comments and ratings aren't disabled, so... I think it's going to get pretty nasty in there.

[–]Lolawalrus51 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm honestly glad that they did add her. When it was revealed we could play as Emily the Dishonored subreddit lost their fuckin mind with excitement.

The real story is that several months and like 4 patches later the game still runs like ass on PC, specifically AMD cards.

I only played the game though once due to the shit optimization, shame too it's a fun game.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think Emily is a much more interesting choice of protagonist than another game with Corvo.

[–]Lolawalrus51 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't be dissin daddy Corvo. He's got a voice now too!

[–]Aurondarklordunwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was this ever in doubt? I mean Dishonored 2 is almost beat for beat for beat Anita's hypothetical game pitch.

But hey, it's an option, you can still choose to play Corvo if you want to, nobody LOST anything so Anita could be appeased, so I'm cool with it.

[–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the comment I wrote under the video, remains to be seen whether it'll stay up or get nuked, but there we go.

"The roles that it has for women are very narrow"

That's an accurate and objective statement. Nothing wrong with that at all. If that's all Sarkeesian and FF had to say about games like Dishonored, there would be hardly any issues at all. However...

The problem is when you start to paint the game, and the people that play it, and the people that develop it, as sexist and misogynist, and when you say that the game, the people that play it, and the people that develop it, are contributing to, encouraging and perpetuating violence against women.

An argument for better writing (better in this case being your subjective opinion that women should have wider roles in the game ) is fine. Tarring games, gamers and developers with the 'sexist and misogynist' brush is not. In short: stop being the new Jack Thompson.

That's what the vast majority of people have a problem with when it comes to Sarkeesian and FF. Of course there will always be dickheads - I'm sure this comments section is going to have plenty of abusive content (I myself just reported a comment that called Sark a 'slut', completely out of line).

But again, the vast majority of gamers just want fair criticism, and Sark/FF isn't known for that.

That said, I actually thought this interview was really fair and balanced - there was criticism but there was also a genuine passion for games which came through here (and I'll admit I was somewhat surprised by it). It's a shame more of your content isn't like this, Anita.

Honestly there isn't that much wrong with the interview. I get that most people's reaction is going to be GAH SARKEESIAN, SLAM DISLIKE, POST NEGATIVE COMMENT, but what was actually said in the interview was fine, in my opinion.

Harvey's statements are fair, and the critique he brought up was totally fair and objective.

The key thing here is to look at the narrative that's lurking underneath.

[–]Final_Paladin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Strange. I don't understand, why you wouldn't call her a slut. o.O

I mean, she uses 'pussy' for fame and money. Not in the literal sense, but she's riding her womanhood hard. Also she's a very dishonest person, who lies a lot. And she tries to manipulate and deceive.

To me that's falling very much into the definition of a slut.