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[–]Loeb123PC 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hello fellow cows. Not sure about you, but I'm so eager to get my nipples sucked and tits pumped dry with the Mod-Pump-9000!

[–]Arteeh 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

loverslab.com

[–]DarkStar5758PC 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think Bethesda is going to want to even try to charge for Loverslab mods.

[–]20150506 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's not the mindset that put a man on the moon and porn on your computer.

[–]Loeb123PC 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want this engraved in my gravestone.

[–]ScherazadePC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny because loverslab has really good quality content in terms of minor animations and immersion.

Like BLUSHING. With mods your character can blush. Sure it was intended to show arousal, but if tied with one of the emotional states it can work well for other purposes.

[–]Korrafan_1PS3 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (11子コメント)

By the time ES6 is announced, most of us will be dead.

[–]crazydoc2008 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

No...I just think they're waiting for the Half-Life 3 announcement. Competition makes for better products, no?

[–]SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (8子コメント)

By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Dec 2052.

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[–]worryingcow 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dafuk is this bot

[–]Kanegawa 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the love of God someone delete this bot! We can't keep holding out like this!

[–]TheCreationMachine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Half-Life 3

[–]ScherazadePC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Half Life 3.

[–]SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Jan 2054.

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[–]ScherazadePC 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good. Skip the christmas panic, get it during the sales.

[–]Gadion 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it got delayed by a year and a month in 40 minutes.

[–]xcosmicwaffle69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck man 2 years in 40 minutes? Y'all better stop fucking around.

[–]Korrafan_1PS3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A last sequel standing competition.

[–]DrakonLitshedPC 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (23子コメント)

And you'll like it!!

[–]sierrabravo1984PC 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (20子コメント)

And you'll pay for the mods!

[–]DrakonLitshedPC 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And you'll like that too! Now shut up and give us your money!

[–]PDawgizeXBOX 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I missed the conference. Could you possibly explain this whole paid mods concept and when/how it's being implemented?

[–]sierrabravo1984PC 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Bethesda announced their creators club, basically their version of paid mods, without actually saying the words paid mods. You submit new mods and content to bethesda, they pay the modders and users have to pay for content. And already created mods are not eligible. Most of us are extremely skeptical of this whole thing, since the steam paid mods thing failed spectacularly. I'm sure that bethesda will take in almost all of the money paid to them and creators probably won't get much. I personally think they are getting lazy so that they don't have to make dlc themselves, pay modders to create the dlc and I'm sure the fine print probably says something along the lines of 'you submit the mods, we now own them.'

https://kotaku.com/bethesda-announces-creation-club-for-fallout-4-and-skyr-1796008701

[–]djscrub 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I personally think they are getting lazy so that they don't have to make dlc themselves, pay modders to create the dlc and I'm sure the fine print probably says something along the lines of 'you submit the mods, we now own them.'

This business model has been very successful for Valve. They make money hand over fist from TF2 by getting the public to design and render thousands of ideas, sort them, and rank them for free so that Valve can step in periodically, skim the very best ideas at no effort, and push them as paid DLC (paying only the designers of the successful ideas, and giving them far less than an inhouse art team would cost). Bethesda would love to get a piece of that pie.

[–]DaftSpeedPC 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That game is free and has free content updates, Bethesda have released Skyrim like 5 or 6 times at this point.

[–]aedmark -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They've released it twice. Where the fuck are you getting 6 times, child?

[–]1grantasPC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh man you got him good, I hear calling someone child over the internet increases your penis size 2 inches every time.

[–]aedmark 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man you got me good, I hear poorly conceived sarcasm increases your chance of never touching a woman again by 2 points, every time.

[–]CinderSkye 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh for fuck sake.

Bethesda enjoys a real comfortable relationship with the top modders; remember, most of the mod creators who had mods that required the most internal work to make were signed on to create new paid mods.

It was underreported, but I remember several that expressed uncertainty they would continue to mod because it took too much time and energy and donations were too unreliable as a revenue stream. Given their past, I bet those same 20 or so mod teams remained in close contact with Bethesda as Bethesda developed this system.

Paid mods failed because they had the opportunity to inadvertently screw over the "middle class" of modding, people who put in a decent amount of time and effort but don't make professional quality stuff.

This avoids that issue.

[–]Tianoccio 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are mods I would pay for.

If you have a mod where you add a new area of map, add 20 voiced NPCs, etc. etc. I'd pay for that. I'd pay $15 for an expansion pack even if it's not official. I think that if you have people doing projects like this, paying them encourages better projects like that.

But I'm not paying $1.50 for crab armor, which is one of the real things they showed.

This also hurts mods too, because now people are going to be far more likely to say no when you want to make a recolor that uses a mesh they made.

The people who make giant overhaul mods likely won't be making more of them because they take a lot of time to develop as it is, and the people who cash in on bullshit are going to make lots and lots of bullshit, meaning that when a good mod that deserves to cost money comes out it will be buried in a sea of shit. Just look at Steam's greenlight.

[–]CinderSkye -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The crab armor thing seems a joke as much as anything else (albeit a monetized joke).

This also hurts mods too, because now people are going to be far more likely to say no when you want to make a recolor that uses a mesh they made.

I can see it going either way; however, given that the base assets in the game are reusable, I think some form of Creative Commons licensing is most likely. (Feel free to reuse these assets but not for the purpose of making your own paid mods without my express written consent). Many mods already include such a disclaimer.

And as someone who made a 'recolor' based mod -- I did some work putting it together. I did nowhere near as much work as the base author did and it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

The people who make giant overhaul mods are several of the ones who signed on for the last round. Steam's greenlight isn't curated worth a damn and is worst-case scenario but not especially plausible.

[–]darkgod2611 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not paid mods according to Bethesda it's mods you can pay for lmao

[–]FACE_HECK_FASCISTS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

On your last point, it would be completely stupid for Bethesda not to have that in the fine print. That's kinda the point of paying them.

[–]ScherazadePC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not necessarily a bad concept to make monetised mods, but Skyrim's modding community has been hit too hard by the previous attempt at it.

Not now, I say.

Next game.

[–]Lava_Croft -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you seriously linking Kotaku while at the same time lamenting Bethesda?

lol.

[–]communist_gerbil -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll definitely pay for the mods! The modders do a great job!

[–]sierrabravo1984PC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, I think creators should be compensated as well, I just hope the bethesda does it right.

[–]Sumwunn 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're gonna build mods and make the community pay for it!

[–]IgotJinxed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did it because I liked it!!!!!

[–]happy_beluga 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Give me Elder Scrolls VI goddammit.

[–]Marxist_Saren 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They likely have a large team working on exactly that right now, but Fallout 4 only came out 2 years ago, and it wasn't announced until earlier the same year. Bethesda generally has a 3 to 4 year dev cycle for their games. Oblivion was 2004 2006* , Fallout 3 2008, Skyrim 2011, Fallout 4 2015. My guess is we're two years out from the next Elder Scrolls title.

[–]TheNineFiveSevenPS3 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oblivion was 2006 but yeah it's gonna be a while for the next Elder Squirrels game.

[–]LasseSL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They said they are gonna release two new games before they start working on an Elder Scrolls game source.

[–]DragonsandmanPC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I wouldn't expect Elder Scrolls 6 until at least the end of 2019, probably later.

[–]floralcode 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't worry, we'll get it by the time the xXBOX ONEXx comes out

[–]RazoridePC 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are trying to figure out exactly how they are going to lock down these paid mods first.

[–]Biggallonofmilf 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Elder Scrolls VI should be valenwood😱

[–]happy_beluga 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or Elsweyr!

[–]aceCrasherPC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please no elsweyr, i dont think i could stand khajits 24/7.

[–]Erikkman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or a fucking desert, yeah there's some cool pockets in Elsweyr but I'd rather not have a desert as the setting

[–]happy_beluga 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are so prejudice against Khajits!

[–]happy_beluga 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or maybe ESVI could be an open full world. We deserve it at this point and ESO doesn't count. It won't ever count.

[–]Insane_Artist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plot Twist: Skyrim was Elder Scrolls VI this whole time.

[–]MrJaggerVey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I vow not to buy skyrim for a fourth time!

[–]ImOnlyHereToKillTime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hate that people expected this from them.

Literally nothing should have led anyone to believe they were going to announce the new ES game, and they are definitely working in it right now.

Just because they didn't announce it (because they have been announcing games the year they come out) doesn't mean they aren't working in it.

You're not a part of the company, you're not entitled to day-to-day updates.

[–]BenderButt 179 ポイント180 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Can...Can we just all agree NOT to buy any of the paid mods. Please. For once lets not give in to big companies squeezing all the cash out of us they can.

[–]ich852 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree but I feel like people are going to give in. I'm hoping that since modding has been a free download with the option to donate for such a long time that less people than they expect will buy.

[–]sierrabravo1984PC 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (4子コメント)

My fear is that one day they/someone will make a game that is not compatible and/or locked from installing mods from 3rd party sites like Nexus Mods and will only accept Official Bethesda Creation Club© mods.

[–]BenderButt 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't worry, someone will mod out that fe..atur...ee.....

Oh NOOOOooooooooo

[–]psychobilly1PC 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, if we can get around DRM, we can get around this too. Nothing is impossible, it just might take some time.

[–]ich852 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think strictly single player games will always be moddable for the most part but look at how much of a pain modding GTA is since it has an online aspect

[–]CinderSkye 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That will never happen for the reason that the last round of paid mods failed, that this round was designed to address: lack of curation created a situation where a lot of fleecing of consumers or mid-grade mod creators was possible, ultimately harming the modding community as a whole in a very real way. They rely on that whole ecosystem; Chesko's mods are popular because a thousand lesser mods come out first to sustain interest until he can make something big, complex, and great, just as his high quality stuff sustains interest in and provides hope for the thousand mediocre mods.

[–]Tianoccio 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

PC users won't buy it, but console users won't have much of a choice.

[–]SpiderDetectivePS3 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a PS4 user, I see the plus side of having a mod system that Sony can't castrate day 1, but I sure as hell don't wanna pay for that shit.

[–]TheCreationMachine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you really think custom assets are worth paying for when they've been free for so long?

[–]TYxTxYTPC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is not skyrim, but later release - if we ever get them, that is.

[–]rageingnonsense 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not the big companies you are hurting, but the people who make the mods. It's basically a second job you get nothing but high fives for.

Look at DayZ. The creator wanted to make some money for their effort and it turned into a 4 year escapade of a half finished stand alone game. Maybe if they could have made some money, they could have just focused on the mod instead that everyone loved.

Think of the mods you could see if the people who are creating them could conceivably focus on them 100%. Mod makers gotta eat too man.

[–]TheCreationMachine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No because if we know Bethesda they're probably going to take most of the revenue. Plus they've stated the mod makers would only get payed once for the 'DLC' they make and wouldn't get payed by download amount or bought credits.

[–]Hammedic 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Why? Why are we all upset about this? What's wrong with mod makers making money for development of mods we want? You were never entitled to the free work that mod makers produced, they just had/have little choice in monetizing their work due to copyright laws and public pressure for free stuff. And if mod makers still want to produce free mods, they can.

This will only affect mods that, I'll remind you:

  • Must be original and not currently available
  • Are developed with the help of or by Bethesda developers
  • Are tested by Bethesda QA teams
  • Are hopefully fully compatible with the games and require no special programs or workarounds to get working in-game.

The only part I'm worried about is paying $5+ for everything. That's too much unless it's a large mod.

[–]drunkenvalleyPC 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Conceptually I'm not against paid mods. However, I'm against the slippery slope that this industry is on. It's not even a slope, it's a goddamn vertical drop.

If Bethesda really wanted this to work it should be on them to provide this feature for free - not the mods, mind, but that the modders get the full pot. The last time we had this spectacle Bethesda and Valve were taking something like 75% of it all. Fuck that, that's not in the modder's favor, that's just Bethesda stealing money from its users.

[–]Hammedic -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do agree that it should favor the mod maker. I know it's not the internet's strongest feature, but we should wait for the details before calling for boycotting.

[–]Lava_Croft 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It involves money and a large portion of the internet just expects people to work for free. I honestly wonder if those internet people also work a few days a week for free.

[–]neonordnance 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd like to see the percentage of internet whiners who have ever made anything. As someone who has designed, created, released, and patched a small mod for Fallout New Vegas, it is a LOT of work. I will gladly pay modders for their time and effort, especially considering we are getting Bethesda quality control as well.

[–]Cubia_PC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I will gladly pay modders for their time and effort, especially considering we are getting Bethesda quality control as well.

Well you already could with the donate button on Nexus, but you haven't. The option has been there for years. So in a word: Bullshit.

Also Bethesda QC is so good you can steal a mod off the nexus and put it on beth net and not have any issues. They certainly didn't ask me about my mods being on the nexus and on beth net.

[–]BenderButt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did you make the mod for free then?

[–]Lava_Croft -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are not allowed to make any money from your work, you downright evil capitalist community killer!

We are not living in the 90's anymore where creating a total conversion for Quake was fairly doable. There's a reason why such mod communities mostly died out. It's simply too much work for no real gain.

[–]BenderButt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Donate $ button, no one has a gun to modders heads forcing them to do it, most people do it because they love the game and want it to be better. Also, don't go throwing stones in glass houses too hard, I'm sure you've paid for all the porn you've ever viewed.

[–]Biggallonofmilf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This man is right, the only way to continue to get great content is give the minds an incentive to keep using their creativity. If there was another way that wasn't money, I feel as if it would have already been used. I have no problem with throwing a couple dollars for some great content that is outside the minds of Bethesda but is also compatible with EVERYTHING inside and out of the game.

[–]BenderButt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get your points, we shouldn't expect things for free, but I Donate to mods I like/use frequently, I do this when I have the funds, but 4 years ago as a poor college student mods were a lifesaver for me, basically re-vamping my favorite game.

Also, this idea on its own, in a vacuum, is a fine idea and I'm all for it. The problem is that it is NOT in a vacuum, the gaming industry as a whole will take this concept and warp it into a Fee to Pay model and take even MORE content out of games to sell it back to the player. Remember how 'Cool' dlc was at first, pay $5 get some cool new maps, well COD modern warfare got remastered and its map pack is not free, its now $15 DLC, again, and it was only $10 when the game came out. This industry will turn this good idea into a monsterous nightmare that we all will hate in 4 years.

[–]catofillomens 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First, the mods having been tested by Bethesda QA teams doesn't exactly inspire much confidence, given how broken the base game is, so there's probably not much value adding being done here.

Secondly, this feature doesn't give anything of value to the players. Do you seriously believe that more high-quality mods for this 6-year-old game will suddenly appear with the introduction of paid mods?

Thirdly, this harms the modding community. The sharing of assets and code and learning from other mods are very much integral to a healthy modding scene. Paid mods will obviously be a break from this culture. What would stop someone from simply copying the features of a paid mod and releasing it as a free one? DRM and code obfuscation, that's what. This has the potential to cause much harm to the modding scene in the long term.

[–]FoxyBrownMcCloud 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not currently available where? On Bethesda's own site? Cause how will you stop people from stealing Nexus mods? Again?

[–]KantArgueWithThatPC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thieves wouldn't have the kind of technical documentation to prove their work, or be able to make sure their mods "work nicely".

[–]redghotiblueghoti 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The application to get on the creation club and produce a paid mods requires you to submit something you have already made as proof of concept. The requirements for creation club content is that it must be new and not available anywhere else currently or previously. The modders will be paid for their time making the mod and, according to the E3 presentations and FAQ on their site, the creation club mods will have the same QA as current DLC (i.e. will work with existing saves and shouldn't have compatibility issues with other dlc/creation club mods).

Not sure what all the fuss is about. There will still probably be plenty of free mods made by the people who can't get into the creation club/just started modding and the good modders will have even more resources to make their mods that much better.

That's of course if Bethesda actually does what they say and properly vet the people who are going to be allowed in.

[–]Bi-Han 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only they could bite something. Maybe... something metallic like... that was polished to the extreme.

[–]DrMantisTaboggn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

No. If I see something I think is worth buying, I'll pay for it.

You guys can still use the free mods, and free mods will still be made. I don't get this crusade against people getting paid for their work

[–]mindonshuffle 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same. I'll look at the offerings and see if there's any I want to buy. I'd pay a few bucks for a few new high-quality official questlines. I won't pay five bucks for crab armor.

[–]DrMantisTaboggn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. If they use this to add new dungeons and quests, I'll be ecstatic. I don't see why this isn't something to be excited about

[–]mindonshuffle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand the backlash a bit, because Bethesda has a history of badly-done microtransactions, and there's a concern that any "paid mods" will kill mods as a concept (talented devs will only offer paid, the free stuff will become lousy, the community will shrink, and Bethesda will stop having mod support). But I think it's a knee jerk reaction. We'll have to see what Bethesda offers, but my initial reaction is that it will either be a bad value that falls on its face or will be the best of both worlds, offering top mod devs a way to earn some decent cash while still allowing a healthy free mod community.

[–]PeacefulElm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For some reason, people expect aesthetics for free. Games, mods, art, theater, anything that could have been perceived as a hobby at some point in time. Companies will ask graphic designers to "whip up something" and tell them that the payment is exposure (When all they get is a tiny mention on the "about us" page). Not to mention that all of those things I mentioned all require time and energy just to approach a skill level that anyone would consider professional, but people honestly expect artists and designers to starve themselves until they magically find something that everyone loves enough to pay for. And then they need more, but even better this time, and cheaper.

[–]FACE_HECK_FASCISTS -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's be honest, gamers are the most entitled hobbyists in the US (I'm gonna try to speak from experience.) Here, prices for games haven't been adjusted for inflation since the 90's. Despite that, people seem to think games have gotten less accessible. So hundreds of indie devs popped up that make games with 100s of hours of content for $5-$20. We have people so passionate about certain IPs they'll work to mod, curate, and data mine aspects of certain games for free. Video game companies often communicate and interact with the player base, and have the option to change aspects of the game if you just download a 10 minute patch. Like, video games are such an insanely pro consumer market if you compare it with almost any other luxury market.

[–]Lava_Croft 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll decide for myself how to spend my money, thank you!

[–]fieldnut 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what we said about DLC years ago...

[–]jfk_47 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But ... the crab things got armor!

[–]micromidgetmonkey 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh, I'd already sworn not to give them a penny till they came up with a new engine. At this point there's an increasingly long list of things they'll have to sort before I'm buying another one of their products.

[–]Wasthereonce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's basically microtransactions

[–]SigmaStrain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, but people don't like micro transactions because they hate paying the developer/publisher more money after they've already bought the game. Micro transactions feel like a money grab in that scenario.

This scenario is much different though. The money goes to fund creative people who make these mods in their spare time. I don't think it's wrong to pay someone for their work.

[–]Wasthereonce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, but it's still a micro transaction system. Bethesda is obviously going to profit off of marketing a mod developer's work.

[–]SigmaStrain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't know how they'll implement this system. I think it's great that content creators have an avenue for gaining some sort of revenue from their work. As for the implementation, I'm more comfortable waiting and seeing how Bethesda plans to make the whole thing work before crying foul.

[–]OIPROCS -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. Please don't listen to this uninformed person.

I've created a mod for Fallout 4 that took over a thousand hours of my personal time, with an open contact with Bethesda, to sell my officially approved expansion to players for ten bucks.

In your world, my efforts would go entirely uncompensated and no one would ever get to play my expansion. How the hell is that good for anyone?

They're not existing mods being given a price tag. Do yourself a favor and do some fucking research before you declare to everyone that the new creation club is Satan's dick.

[–]_Jias_ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just works

[–]ThatWeirdBookLady 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lets build a wall around skyrim and make the mods pay for it!

[–]squesh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and it''ll be the best wall and everyone will say so

[–]Kanegawa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a crazy idea. What if Bethesda hired modders as full time staff and paid them fair wages for their work!?

Insanity!

[–]iAMtruENT 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just think it's sad that they are selling this game at full value for the third time.

[–]KestrelGains 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We now have:

  • The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (PS3, 360 and PC)
  • The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Legendary Edition (PS3, 360 and PC)
  • The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition (PS4, Xone and PC)
  • The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - VR (PSVR)

  • The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Switch Edition (Switch)

  • The Elder Scrolls Online

  • The Elder Scrolls Online - Tamriel Unlimited

  • The Elder Scrolls Online - Morrowind

  • The Elder Scrolls: Legends

Don't get me started on all the Collector's Editions.

[–]THE_GR8_MIKEflair 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The only reason I want it for Switch is the Master Sword and Hylian Shield. Which there are probably mods for anyway, soooo

[–]NoxiousNick 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah but it's harder to pay for the mods on the other 4 copies of skyrim you already own.

[–]THE_GR8_MIKEflair 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I ain't paying for shit. They already got enough money from me.

[–]Insane_Artist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are literally mods out right now that do that for PC.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34718/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/80976/?

[–]Enex 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be very surprised if there wasn't a Master Sword mod made within one month of Skyrim's original release.

[–]GastonBastardoPC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

https://imgur.com/OPLTzW4

[–]psychobilly1PC 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the 4th and 5th time though. First release 2011, Legendary Edition in 2013, Special Edition in 2015, now the Switch Special Edition and the VR Edition. The game is 6 years old and they are still rereleasing it for $60 every single time.

The other thing that sets it apart is that Sega, Capcom, Konami, etc. all release new games or at least sequels to their games. We've been given the same games over and over with 2 games released since: Fallout Shelter and Fallout 4.

We know games are a business, we know games take time to make, but when you spend time, effort, and resources on remasters, then you're actively taking away time from new games. Its not as simple as the public being upset that they're just rereleasing a game. Add on the outrage from the paid mods and their lackluster E3 conference and you can begin to get a picture of the outrage.

Holding a conference just to show an updated version of a 6 year old game with almost nothing new to show for it is pretty insulting to their fanbase. It makes them (us) feel like we are nothing more but a resource that can be sold the same thing over and over and we'll be okay with it.

[–]THE_INTERNET_EMPEROR 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well Skyrim has as many players as World of Warcraft in North America and Nintendo has a vocal fan base with a console which is loaded with only ports and indie games and a couple of original titles.

I'm not saying I agree, but I understand why it's happening.

[–]Polybius_is_real 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is because a lot of is to be expected of bethesda with their recent realeses such as skyrim and fallout 4 which has been major succeses. All thos other publishers have been doing remakes and reboots and such for a long time, thats why people aren't surprised of them doing exactly that.

[–]Rommatix 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you think capcom isn't getting fully shit on by their fans for other reasons just go to a fgc subreddit. People are mad at them for so many other things they can't even stop to complain about the porting.

[–]balanceofpower -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. This is manufactured outrage. 4chan et al have been brigading Bethesda announcements evey year since Skyrim released.

[–]fuckdirectv -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man, you people need to get a grip. News flash - Bethesda is a company and companies exist to make a profit. Without that incentive they literally wouldn't be producing the games that so many people love to play for hundreds of hours, only taking breaks to trash them on the internet. If you don't like the idea of paying for mods, there is a simple solution. Don't get the paid mods. People also seem to be under the mistaken impression that remasters and VR updates of older games are somehow taking away from them producing the next new game in the series that you love, which I don't believe to be the case. Bethesda is a big company - mostly a publisher - that puts out a lot of games. They have multiple studios/divisions, but only one developer that makes new TES and Fallout titles. That developer is called Bethesda Game Studios. They opened a second studio in Montreal in 2015 and it is my understanding that they are the ones who were responsible for the Skyrim remaster and Fallout VR. That leaves the core group at BGS that has always made TES and Fallout to continue working on those, or on Starfield or whatever they plan to release next. Based on that, it seems the complaints boil down to either "I'm mad that they didn't announce their next new release" or "I don't want to pay for mods", which btw, you don't have to.

[–]beau-tie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the criticisms of the conference are definitely justified, but I just look at it as an off year. Hence all the rereleases in order to make some money between big releases. Next year they HAVE to announce something big. Either something completely new or ES6 has to be announced.

On the other hand it's reaaally really hard to defend the paid mods thing. Like I still don't know exactly how it works so I'm still holding judgement. But, what the hell were they thinking?

[–]Ruler_of_rabbits 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel ashamed now that I own the PC-, 360- and PS4-version.

[–]Pax56 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instead why don't they try to work on Elder Scrolls 6?

[–]amalgam_reynolds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You actually have to pay for the "Todd Howard's Face on Vault-Tec Employee" mod though.

[–]karvus89PC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What came first? ES6 or VEGA?

[–]chillyGDD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Half life 3 needs to come out

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[–]toadsanchez420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, what did I miss?

Skyrim has been out for a while and so has Fallout 4. What would anybody be pre-ordering if there are no new releases?

[–]tummateooftime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This would be accurate. If it were Pete's face. Because we all know he's holding Todd hostage in his basement.

[–]Kacu5610PC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/gamingcirclejerk

[–]pshaywood 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

PS3 original release? Got it. PC original release? Got it. PC special edition? Got it.

looks at Switch

yeah prolly gonna get it

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[–]ImOnlyHereToKillTime -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not at all