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[–]remedylanecm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Where's the medicinal value in this? Compare the medicinal value of the five element theory, then you will understand that one has medicinal value and the other does not. Except the four qi of the seasons, which already exists in CM.

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

For medicine, I use a different table that I never published.

Here, I'm just trying to understand the cosmos.

What is this four qi of the seasons?

PS: Not that understanding the cosmos is entirely separate from medicine. Everything is connected in a great big fractal structure.

PPS: The emotions of the weather are actually useful for medicine, because the human being being treated exists in that environment and cannot be treated as an independent entity from it.

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Urgh... I wish someone would explain the Five Phase theory in a way that makes sense to me...

[–]remedylanecm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Four qi of the seasons, go and read Neijing Chapter 2 and 4.

Why don't you understand the five elements?

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thanks.

I haven't so far found any explanation that guided me to finding them in reality.

[–]remedylanecm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Have you read the Neijing? how can you expect to understand that which you have not read?

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Five Phases theory isn't in the Neijing, and wasn't added to Chinese Medical practice until later.

I've read a lot of quotes from the Neijing from various books, and plan on buying a translation or two when I get the money.

[–]remedylanecm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You want to make a bet that Five Phase theory isn't in the Neijing?

Take it from someone who can read Chinese, has studied the classics (though not as much as I should), that you a wrong, wrong and wrong again. Check Chapter 5 of the Suwen, and then read the Da Lun chapters of 66-74.

You need to forget all this crap you keep trying to come up with, and understand that Chinese medicine is a system that has existed for 2,000 years. You have so much reading to do but all you do is try to write stuff that has nothing to do with Chinese medicine.

Seriously, this will be my last reply to you unless you actually read something.

I'm happy to answer questions, but when you act like you know something that is completely incorrect, it makes you look like you know nothing and I question why I should bother replying to you.

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I guess maybe I'm wrong about the Five Phase theory not being in the Neijing. I read somewhere that it was only added to TCM later, and I suppose that source could have been bad.

As for my theories, they are the best working model of my own body that I currently have, so I will continue to develop and use them to manage my own health until such a time that I find a better model.

And it could very well be that, once I understand the Five Phase theory, that will prove to work better! I do have a lot of reading to do. Currently working through:

The Seven Emotions, by Claude Larre and Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallee,

Alchemical Acupuncture for Psychological and Spiritual Healing, by Lorie Eve Dechar,

The I Ching,

A stack of translations/renditions of the Tao Teh Ching,

Chi Self-Massage: The Taoist Way of Rejuvenation, by Mantak Chia,

The complete guide to Acupressure, Acupuncture, Chinese Herbal Medicine, Food Cures, Chi Gong, and featuring Prentive Care throughout, compiled by Dr. Duo Gao,

Fundamentals of Traditional Chinese Medicine, by Yin Huihe and others,

as well as Angel Tech and The Eight-Circuit Brain, by Antero Ali.

I also have several more books on my to-buy list, including Wu Shen (Five Elements) by one of the same authors who wrote The Seven Emotions.

Anything else I should have?

[–]remedylanecm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seven Emotions is good, but the rest a pretty trash.

Find a PDF of Paul Unschuld's Huangdi Neijing Suwen, you should be able to.

Then read the Lingshu (Spiritual Pivot/Needle Classic), then read the Nanjing (Classic of Difficulties), then read the Shanghan Lun (Guo Liuhui) and then the Jingui Yaoulue (Wilms & Wiseman) from the Shanghan Zabing Lun (215 AD). Chapter 1 of the JGYL has a passage on the Five Elements you should read.

Perhaps instead of disagreeing with me based on what you have heard, maybe phrase it as a question? I'm happy to help, I teach foundations at a school. You need to forget this system you think you knew and learn the Chinese system.

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks, all those that weren't already have been added to my book list.

What about this book?:

Foundations of Theory for Ancient Chinese Medicine: Shang Han Lun and Contemporary Medical Texts, by Guohui Liu

I should try to be more humble, but I will continue to use whatever theory works best for me as I continue to study.

[–]icameforgold 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The qi of the seasons describes how everything on our planet functions, you, me, the trees, the insects, everything revolves around nature and the seasons. When they say to follow the laws of nature it is not some empty phrase. What it means is the qi in your body should match the qi of the environment for your body to be truly balanced. So for example, during spring time is when energy comes out from the kidneys or from "winter". Summer is when energy reaches its peak and that's why it is the season of abundance. Fall represents energy coming out, but then returning back inside to be stored for the winter. Winter represents the deepest level that your body qi can go. It is here where your energy recharges and you rest and prepare for the next rotation of the seasons. Look at how the plants sprout up as there qi reaches for the sun, during summer they usually reach their peak and begin to bear fruit, during winter that fruit gets even riper before it falls down onto the earth, and during winter those seeds go into the ground and prepare to sprout again during spring. This philosophy can be applied yearly, and even daily. For example, when you wake up in the morning and the sun is rising, that is yang qi rising along the sky and you wake up and stretch, thats you drawing your body's yang qi out from hibernation. I feel like this is becoming long winded so I will stop here.

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks for this, it made sense.

I agree that each wake-sleep cycle is very much like the four seasons, but not so much for our yearly cycle. Humans are very adaptable, and depending upon one's life purpose/destiny, one may be destined to have one's summer period in the earth's winter, or maybe even two years in one, etc.

[–]icameforgold 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If your belief is that humans are independent from their environment then that is your belief. Looking at the hdnj it is clearly stated that the "sages were able to live over a hundred years because they understood the law of yin and yang and obeyed the four seasons." What this is saying is that any time you go against the law of Yin and yang you are consuming your essence, yin, and blood. You are right that some people have adequate amounts of those substances that they can enjoy their life as they see fit, but they are still consuming themselves at a faster rate than someone who follows the laws of yin and yang. Only when​ your life and actions and emotions are in balance can your body flourish. Any time you are experiencing one season outside of another your body is in a state of disharmony.

[–]justonium[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't believe that humans are independent of their environment--only that they are more insulated from it than the animals are. Perhaps this does cause them to consume their essence faster.

Another point to note is that seasons are fractal in nature; for example, there was a long summer-like period within the last winter where I live in Atlanta, North America. It was cool relative to our summers, but very summer-like relative to the cold around it.

[–]icameforgold 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes the seasons do change and some seasons are hotter or colder than normal. Some say it's a normal change in weather patterns to regulate the Earth's own essence. Some doctors theorize that the Earth is going through its own "hot flash" as we are consuming all the Earth's essence with the oil that we have been taking. This causes the Earth to experience say summer in winter. Similar to how women experience hot flashes at night time.