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Newly announced Wolfenstein game draws controversy over portrayal of Nazis (self.SubredditDrama)

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"They are taking a jab at our current politics with the KKK and nazis in the US because liberals love to call conservatives nazis and klan members."

"WW2 was a mistake :(
Also: lol thinking Nazis would associate with KKK degenerates"

"I don't remember conservatives calling liberals the KKK or nazis"
"You call feminists "feminazis""

"Fuck this bullshit game. I appreciate the idea, but they lost me when they decided to act like mild racism is okay for video games."

"Then they wont get their progressive points, being anti-nazi in 2017 is just fucking pointless"

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[–]Procrastinare[🍰] 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I don't remember conservatives calling liberals the KKK or nazis

Liberal Fascism

Hitlary

Hillary KKK

Democrat KKK

Liberals are Nazis

I could go on but it's just an easy Google search to prove that right wingers call liberals Nazis, racists, evil, communists, pedophiles, Party of the KKK, etc, constantly.

It's incredible that ideologues are truly incapable of seeing their own behavior or the behavior of their team. They also have no memory for anything their team has ever done. "I don't remember my team ever..." is such blatant bullshit. They are so hyper focused hating the other team that they are completely blind to their own team.

[–]mdp300 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also all those times they called Obama a fascist socialist

[–]giigu 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glenn Beck has made an entire career out of calling liberals Nazis.

Here he is literally holding up a swastika next to the words "social justice"

Here is a 5-minute compilation of the many, many, many other times he's compared liberals/Democrats to fascists

[–]18hourbruh 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean the literal term "femiNAZI"

[–]von-vaper 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Nah dude, those are fringe groups.

Liberals, as a single monolithic block, are prone to hyperbole and stupidity. Conservatives are far more rational and respectful...

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    [–]Killgraft[🍰] 442 ポイント443 ポイント  (45子コメント)

    They are taking a jab at our current politics with the KKK and nazis in the US because liberals love to call conservatives nazis and klan members. The main character had to tell the NPC he wasn't a literal nazi. WTF? Even during WW2 german citizens didn't have to tell people they were not nazis. Fuck them for putting their personal views on politics into a game to try and indoctrinate kids. Normally I don't care about art/video games with a message, but when its specifically targeted at retards and kids, thats when I think they cross the line.

    Even if this was pushing a political agenda (apparently "nazis being bad" is a controversial idea now), its rated M so wouldn't be pushing it on kids anyway.

    [–]Aetolthings should work the way I misunderstand the rest of the world 474 ポイント475 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    apparently "nazis being bad" is a controversial idea now

    The alt-right was a mistake.

    [–]lolpancakeslol 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Funny how the side that is so quick to tell someone they're triggered is so easily offended themselves.

    [–]PrincessKindnessVideoing your daughter having sex is a conservative tradition? 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You don't have to be self aware if your beliefs are founded on your insecurities

    [–]KickItNext 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, they're guilty of basically everything they accuse others of being guilty of.

    Being easily triggered, swallowing fake news like it's pizza, being weak, being afraid, being "cucks" (I mean, they'd totally be elated to have trump bang their waifu pillow), etc.

    [–]Power_Wrist 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Every accusation, an admission.

    Fucking Illinois Nazis, man.

    [–]StreetfighterXD 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh! Oh! Oh! Don't forget the serious alt-righters who 'base their arguments on realism and logic instead of emotion' who will then argue in the next sentence that voters went to Trump because they felt mocked by liberal elites.

    You can't make this shit up

    [–]Killchrono 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I'm still convinced Melania is banging other dudes in Trump tower while he's in Washington.

    If that's the case, they are worshipping a literal cuck.

    [–]twinksteverogersThanks for the daily reminder that idiots like you still exist. 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Hell some of the bodyguards are hot too, wouldn't be surprised if she's banging the staff.

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      [–]DragyDeviThis is good for Star Citizen 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Every time I see a thread like this I just want to run in there and ask them "You seem a little triggered there, bud. Do you need a safe space to talk it out?"

      [–]TheDeadManWalksCaught in a writhing oiled pit of elderly, confused meth-heads. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Spoiler, they don't like it.

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        [–]g0_west 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The phrase "alt-reich" has never been more applicable

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          [–]Blacksheep2134Filthy Generate 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Even during WW2 german citizens didn't have to tell people they were not nazis.

          Now I'm imagining French rebels recruiting people into their organization without checking to see if they were Nazi's first.

          We're in a French hideout somewhere and there's this one German guy in Groucho Marx glasses and an SS uniform in the corner. One of the rebels turns to the other and says, "do we trust the new guy?" And the other just responds, "well I can't very well ask him if he's a Nazi! How impolite would that be?"

          [–]g0_west 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Even during WW2 german citizens didn't have to tell people they were not nazis.

          Wasn't it the polar opposite? Germans had to pretend that they did support the nazis, else face punishment? Or was that only the Soviets?

          [–]nutellabr00t 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Opposition wasn't allowed, I don't think you'd have been prosecuted for not fully supporting them. My knowledge about this is a bit fuzzy though.

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            [–]Enthused_Llama 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Even during WW2 german citizens didn't have to tell people they were not nazis.

            I'm pretty sure that's not entirely true.

            Fuck them for putting their personal views on politics into a game to try and indoctrinate kids.

            Ok, this game clearly isn't political but even if it was - people need to fuck off with the 'keep politics out of videogames' bullshit. Media has been used for centuries to express political opinions, whether blatant or subtle. It's not your story.

            but when its specifically targeted at retards and kids,

            I forgot the new wolfenstein was given an ESRB rating of 'for retards and kids only.'

            [–]RVallant [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Keep politics out of video games makes sense in some situations, but a game where the Nazis won is kinda fair game to tackled said politics.

            Or do they expect the Nazis to be installing democracy and freedom throughout the world? O.o

            [–]cmdrfirex 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I am really annoyed that nazi ideology is nowadays labelled by alt-righters as "controversial" instead of downright evil. When it was bassically a death cult with fantasies about some mustard race angel people.

            [–]Buttstache💕known fat lover 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Makes you kinda glad WW2 vets have mostly died off. They don't have to see the absolutely disgusting things their shitty great-grandchildren are saying about the ideology their brothers died fighting against.

            [–]moffattron9000But they have a WNBA title 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Meanwhile, Germany has become one of the main places fighting against this nonsense.

            [–]Charlie_Mouse [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            I don't think it's a coincidence that this crap is resurgent now the generation that fought it last time is no longer around to call it out.

            [–]The_Consumer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            That's exactly why. Not at all dissimilar to the resurgence of previously almost-eradicated diseases and illnesses due to anti-vaccinationists who never lived through the horrible reality of the diseases they are bringing back with their ignorance.

            [–]Sedorner 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If it steps like a goose…

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              [–]Goroman86Giraffical Interchange Format 420 ポイント421 ポイント  (11子コメント)

              Well, I am sure conservatives have a reason for calling feminists feminazis.

              Well, I am sure leftists have a reason for calling nazis nazis

              This was beautiful.

              [–]tdogg8Folks, the CTR shill meeting was moved to next week. 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              Well, I am sure conservatives have a reason for calling feminists feminazis.

              This is one of the dumbest arguments. Everyone has a reason for what they do. Nobody is living life solely based on RNG. The idiot who tried to play Russian Roulette with a magazine fed pistol had a reason. Alex Jones has a reason for believing in fish people. Just because they have an excuse for being shitty doesn't mean that excuse is valid.

              [–]HauntedFurnitureTurboautist 1085 ポイント1086 ポイント  (84子コメント)

              Good guys are the resistance that is led by a powerful black female protagonist with "natural" hair and a ragtag band of characters that have been checked off an SJW checklist.

              So... the objection isn't even that the player character is a black woman? The mere presence in the game of a black female NPC is enough for them to confirm some kind of liberal agenda.

              EDIT: Best comment:

              When you think a game about killing literal Nazis is about you, you might be a literal Nazi.

              [–]BonyIver 386 ポイント387 ポイント  (45子コメント)

              Right? It's not enough that the main character is still a pretty generic, gruff white guy (don't get me wrong, I love BJ), the simple fact that there is a black woman in a leading role is an issue

              [–]PlayMp1when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles 245 ポイント246 ポイント  (36子コメント)

              BJ is a Polish-American, and as a Slav, is literally the untermensch, obviously.

              [–]BonyIver 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (22子コメント)

              I have zero issue with BJ, I'm just saying he doesn't really break the mold as far as video game protagonists go

              [–]PlayMp1when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Oh, I know, I was just mocking the Nazis.

              [–]NorthernerWuwu 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Listen, don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.

              [–]earthDF 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              One of the best episodes of that show. Not that there are many episodes to pick from. But still.

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                  [–]saadghauri 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  That's sorta the point - his looks help him infiltrate Nazi offices etc. His "pure Aryan" looks are praised by the Nazis often in The New Order

                  [–]Enthused_Llama 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  I wonder how many people didn't really catch on to the 'literal slav being praised as a pure aryan' satire of how stupid the Nazi ideology was?

                  [–]AtomicKaiserHerbert Bailbonds 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah I think that was kinda a nuance point making fun of their pseudoscientific mystic views.

                  [–]Vio_ 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  That actually happened in RL a couple of times. One Jewish man who hit all of the "Aryan" checkmarks was checked out by a Nazi doctor. The doctor all but refused to believe he was Jewish. The guy was so far up Nazi regime ass he couldn't quite understand that this Jewish guy had all of the traits of not looking "Jewish."

                  [–]cyberpunk_werewolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  It is also a game where the Nazis can only win by literally Jewish super science from a religious sect dedicated to creation as a means of praising God. The game is huge on irony, especially when it makes the Nazis look like the fucking morons they were.

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                    [–]Zombies_hate_ninjas 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Oh Bj doesn't break the mold, he made the mold. I loved in the last game that they kept him so on point. He hates Nazis because they're baddies, he kills tons of Nazis, he gets almost killed by Nazis, he lives. . . to kill more Nazis.

                    It's not Shakespeare, but it is awesome. Also every game is improved with the addition of killer robo-dogs.

                    [–]catchabadone 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Part of that is that he is literally the mold though. I don't disagree that the games could still be rad with another protagonist though.

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                      [–]Grizzant 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      unter to uber rustlesjimmies.

                      the main thing for me, since i played the original back in the day is the storyline is not divergent at all from the original. all they are doing is filling in the future. it has, and always will be, about killing nazis. atleast they dont have those terrifying as fuck nazi zombie gun in chest dudes. they used to give me nightmares.

                      i will admit im a bit sad that since the original i havent felt the urge to run against walls pressing spacebar and hearing errrrrrrrrrr and the occasional click-grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr of finding a secret passage.

                      edit: for the younguns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc4CDuCp4FU

                      though you can play the old version for free online these days.

                      [–]snally[🍰] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You kids… Wolfenstein 3D isn't the original.

                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8fgok9eHqO8

                      [–]Enthused_Llama 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Points for the old lady pronouncing his name properly.

                      [–]Mawrten 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Isn't he Jewish too or did I imagine that?

                      [–]PlayMp1when did globalism and open borders become liberal principles 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Don't think he's Jewish. At the very least, in The New Order, all the Jews except that one guy (keep in mind I didn't finish the game) are dead.

                      [–]mdp300 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      In the London level, you discover some blueprints, and BJ read their Hebrew writing. So he might have had someone Jewish in his family.

                      [–]Head_of_Lettuce 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They aren't all dead, almost all of them live in forced labor camps. There are a lot of Jews in the mission where you infiltrate the labor camp to look for the Jewish scientist.

                      [–]Mawrten 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Yeah, seems like I might have gotten that wrong. According to the Wolfenstein wiki it is just a point that been a lot of speculation about.

                      [–]koredozo 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Possibly because his surname ends in 'wicz' (sometimes spelled 'witz' or 'vich.') It's a Slavic patronymic that was adopted by many Eastern European Jews, who traditionally use patronyms ('bar/bat ____' in Hebrew), when they were forced to take a 'local' surname by the authorities or just got tired of everyone knowing they were Jewish just from their name.

                      By no means are patronymic names in Slavic countries an exclusively Jewish trait but it's developed an association with them over the years.

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                        [–]antiname 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Maybe we'll be able to shift perspectives in some missions.

                        [–]BlargWargInternet Speech Warrior 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        And I mean, BJ, being white (and let's be honest, the Aryan ideal) is fine with me. If only to show people that, yes, you too white privileged straight male, can help less privileged people for the sake of being a good person.

                        [–]Vio_ 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        And I mean, BJ, being white (and let's be honest, the Aryan ideal) is fine with me. If only to show people that, yes, you too white privileged straight male, can help less privileged people for the sake of being a good person.

                        But isn't that like 90% of all comic book leads out there? I mean, that was pretty much the whole point of Captain America.

                        That point's been made for decades.

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                            [–]MrBigSaturn 143 ポイント144 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                            I also like that they put natural in scare quotes.

                            [–]HauntedFurnitureTurboautist 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            BE VERY AFRAID

                            [–]prettyinsoulpunkDon Quixote was the world's first otaku 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            her hair is made of very tiny snakes if you look closely

                            [–]DamnFineHatFluoride Swilling Ball-Earther 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I could totally see this being a piece of WWII propaganda.

                            [–]cnzmur 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            In fairness, I believe 'natural hair' means something specific to African-Americans. I am vaguely aware of it being a 'thing', but, as I am neither American, a woman, or black, I don't really know what it is.

                            [–]kekkyman 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            It does. It's very common for black women to have their hair straightened to conform to white beauty standards. Natural hair is about embracing the beauty of blackness.

                            [–]jimbosaur 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It means untreated with chemicals and dyes, and otherwise unstraightened (also, not wearing a wig or weave). There's no reason to put it in scare quotes except to make fun of the idea that many black women are proud of keeping their hair in its natural state in the face of overwhelming social/cultural pressure to make their hair more like European/South Asian hair.

                            [–]Labinb 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            There are definitely Politics to it, but basically it is just allowing your hair's natural curl pattern to do its thing. It's noteworthy when black people do so 'cause there's stigma attached to the tighter curl pattern and other stuff that characterizes typically "black" hair.

                            Complaining about a a fictional black chick just having ""natural"" hair is........at its root.............just complaining about a fictional black chick having natural hair.

                            [–]Raj-- 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It's more than that. It's accusing black people of being contrarian for not wanting to straight their hair...to look more white.

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                              [–]Citizen_O 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Nice to see Angela Davis is still making fascists uncomfortable.

                              [–]bubblesthefencer 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Pretty much confirmed that it's supposed to be an alternate Angela Davis the same way J was supposed to be an alternate Jimi Hendrix in the first new Wolfenstein.

                              [–]Gunblazer42The furry perspective no one asked for. 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              She's not even the leader of the resistance. Like the third or fourth line from her is "So I've been hearing about this 'resistance'..." And then trails off slowly as an arm shoves a bagel into a face until it's nothing but crumbs.

                              [–]Enthused_Llama 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The mere presence in the game of a black female NPC is enough for them to confirm some kind of liberal agenda.

                              Black people being both successful and in a position of authority is an issue, but a black woman? We know who's responsible!

                              [–]thisismynewacct 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              His head would explode at BF1. There's a BLACK GERMAN!

                              [–]macheniseYou're literally disabled. Liberalism is a mental disease. 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              If the presence of a black person or a woman or a black woman ruins an experience for you, you should know that you're the shitty person ruining everyone's experience.

                              [–]Illogical_BloxYou just dove headlong into a burden of proof fallacy 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I find that hilarious considering that with how badly many straight cis white men are treated under fascism, a minority would be even worse treated, and typically it isn't the people having a good time who rebel.

                              [–]viperex 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              So it doesn't matter the reason, so long as a minority (particularly black person) is used in any media, they're automatically being used as a prop?

                              [–]BloomEPUyour religious and not worth listening to [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Yup! Even if their race/sexuality/gender becomes really important in the exploration of themes of a work and fits perfectly with the story.

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                                [–]BonyIver 523 ポイント524 ポイント  (56子コメント)

                                Oh man, you could cut the irony with a knife. A bunch of "real gamers" whining about Wolfenstein like it's some new essjaydubya plot and not one of the most important shooter franchises of all time. Killing Nazis is like a central pillar of video games

                                [–]Blacksheep2134Filthy Generate 396 ポイント397 ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                Nazi's, zombies and robots basically form a holy trinity of things that can be shot without moral qualms in video games.

                                [–]catchabadone 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                Wolfenstein has had all of those since pretty much the start too

                                [–]Blacksheep2134Filthy Generate 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                Wolfenstein is the reason those things are OK to shoot. Getting angry at Wolfenstein for shooting Nazi's is like getting angry at water for being wet.

                                [–]Anlashok2016Killer Klown Popcorn Gun 204 ポイント205 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                Angry Declaration: You think shooting robots is a good thing? Check your organic privilege meatbag.

                                [–]ecnal89#SWEG 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Also just because somebody's already dead doesn't mean it's okay to shoot them! I'm sick of all this anti zombie propaganda.

                                [–]Blacksheep2134Filthy Generate 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                All they want to do is eat your brains :(

                                [–]Obscu 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                They're not unreasonable; I mean noone's gonna eat your eyes.

                                [–]Woodsie13 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                We're at an impasse here, maybe we should compromise?

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                                  [–]BonyIver 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  r/botsrights

                                  [–]drossbots 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  r/HKLivesMatter

                                  [–]DamnFineHatFluoride Swilling Ball-Earther 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                   Frustrated Observation: I was very much hoping that was real.

                                  [–]OmegaBlue0231Space Jam Wizard 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Your bodies don't matter, you can just make a backup of your mind! Check your privileged 01110010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100010 01110101 01100011 01101011 01100101 01110100!

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                                    [–]beary_goodPro-Censorship Fascist 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    and sometimes Russians

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                                      [–]CVance1sick twisted social justice bullshit pleasure 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                      Killing Nazis is the only reason for Wolfenstein to exist

                                      [–]a57782 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Killing Nazis on the moon with lasers is the only reason for Wolfenstein to exist.

                                      [–]Enthused_Llama 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      Honestly I was disappointed with the EVA section...why didn't I get to shoot Nazis while also moon bouncing across the surface?

                                      [–]finfinfin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Hey, no, every dead Nazi is important, from the Moon-Nazi you shoot with a laser to the Nazi you knife in an alley on Earth.

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                                        [–]Jiketi 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Some are prolly jokes, but there are some who are paranoid - see everything as political propaganda - so a silly game about killing Nazis to us - to them it's Liberal anti-white/anti-right propaganda.

                                        So true.

                                        [–]Enthused_Llama 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Killing Nazis is was like a central pillar of video games making america great.

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                                          [–]MrBigSaturn 278 ポイント279 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                          Move over, Far Cry, a new game is here to stir up unnecessary drama. To think, 10-15 years ago, making Nazis the bad guy might have been the least controversial choice you could make. How times have changed.

                                          [–]AkortMy point, is no Jews invited me to worship Saturn 176 ポイント177 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          This is somehow even dumber than Far Cry.

                                          Ffs it's Wolfenstein. Its more or less the original Nazi Shooting game. What the fuck is wrong with people.

                                          Yes I'm pissed because people reacting like this is frankly disturbing. Atleast most people are telling them off.

                                          [–]Enthused_Llama 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          This is somehow even dumber than Far Cry.

                                          Agreed, the bad guys of Far Cry 5 are clearly a fucking wacko cult but they don't have the whole 'industrial genocide' thing.

                                          And FFS, in the wolfenstein universe the Nazis actually fucking completed it!

                                          [–]Vio_ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Special naziflakes need their safe sauce

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                                            [–]banjist 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            Man between Wolfenstein 2 and Far Cry 5 I'm going to be pretty busy slaughtering reactionary right wing nuts in the US in video games for the foreseeable future. I love it.

                                            [–]mdp300 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            I had little to no interest in Far Cry 4, but 5 has me excited.

                                            [–]Korysovec 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            It finally looks a bit different than FC3. I hope it's good, one of few games that I am hyped for in the near future.

                                            [–]IDontKnowHowToPMTobias is my spirit animal 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            I've never played a single Far Cry game, but I want to buy 4 for one reason alone. The Easter Egg where if you just sit there when the villain leaves, he comes back and the game ends with no conflict. I'm not big on FPS games like at all, but I want to reward that kind of cleverness.

                                            I might pick up 5 at some point when the price drops as well because I just have to play a game where sovereign citizens are the bad guys.

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                                              [–]cisxuzuul 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Also helped that there were a lot more WWII vets alive and telling their stories.

                                              [–]OmegaBlue0231Space Jam Wizard 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              In fact it would be seen as boring and beating a dead horse since so many games were doing it.

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                                                [–]beary_goodPro-Censorship Fascist 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                This is the type of story that you'd used to read in The Onion.

                                                [–]TheCommunistElephantNot Actually A Communist 340 ポイント341 ポイント  (45子コメント)

                                                Why not make this same game, but with I dunno, the Soviets as the bad guys? They're underused as villains.

                                                The Russians just got out of being the default bad guy to he replaced with pan asian and this dude is already trying to pull them back.

                                                [–]BonyIver 214 ポイント215 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                Why not take this 40 year old franchise that is almost exclusively about killing Nazis and make it about something else? Won't somebody give the Nazis a break :,(

                                                [–]NarwhalShibboleth 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                40?

                                                [–]BonyIver 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                36, but I rounded up. Pretty crazy, right?

                                                [–]NarwhalShibboleth 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Crazy haha omg I'm so old...

                                                [–]Enthused_Llama 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                ONLY JEWS ROUND UP!

                                                [–]EliseMN 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                "Castle Wolfenstein" was released for the Apple II in 1981. So I suppose if you round to the nearest 10?

                                                [–]innrautha 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                It's 36 years old (first game in 1981). I think a little rounding is fine.

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                                                  [–]TierschlossWho are you even? The defender of whores? 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                  Why not make SCHLOSS WOLFENSTEIN ZWEI: DER NEUE KOLOSS but with, I dunno, the ancient Egyptians as the bad guys?

                                                  [–]Blacksheep2134Filthy Generate 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                  Oh! Someone get the guys from Wisdom Tree to reskin The First Order to be a game where Moses fights the Egyptians! I'd buy that.

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                                                    [–]Mawrten 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Now there's a moment where you might question someone's gamer cred.

                                                    [–]Enthused_Llama 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                    Soviets

                                                    Underused as villains

                                                    r u retarded.

                                                    [–]_haydad 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                    When you're only fifteen and weren't alive for the fifty year long red scare.

                                                    [–]JamarcusRussel"What are you gonna do, ban me?" -quote from guy banned 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    even if you know nothing about that, the russians are the "villains" irl right now.

                                                    [–]KickItNext 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    For real, did these kids not play modern warfare. Evil Russians and evil middle eastern terrorists.

                                                    [–]SAGORN 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Not even that, if you grew up after the wall fell Russians were villains in movies, books, and games for quite a long time, they still are, but they were too.

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                                                          [–]mrscienceguy1 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          The Russians have been bad guys in plenty of games recently, it's like they've never heard of Call of Duty before.

                                                          [–]KickItNext 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          It's like the far cry 5 drama where people were saying that middle eastern terrorist villains were underused in fps games.

                                                          [–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          What about the Jews? Talk about under used, they're never portrayed as the villains!

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                                                            [–]Phelipp 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                            Nazis haven't existed since 1945

                                                            Yeah, of course, every nazi disapeared after Hitler killed himself.

                                                            [–]Shrimpscape 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                            Are these kids fucking new or something? The Wolfenstein series is literally about killing Nazis. Even the suggestion that killing Nazis could be considered a political soapbox now is pathetic.

                                                            [–]tehbehA fallacy to surpass metal gear 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            Yeah but so far we only shot European Nazis, now we shoot American Nazis.

                                                            [–]ChiefQueef98 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Good, I hate the Illinois Nazis

                                                            [–]SpookBustersIt's about the ethics of metaethics 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            As long as we're killin gnat-zees, it doesn't matter what country they come from.

                                                            [–]No_Warhawkz 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Can you imagine a Wolfenstein NOT about killing Nazis? It's like ice cream without ice! It's like eating a banana stem first! It's like literally shitting in your own mouth for the warmth!

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                                                              [–]DotaDogmaPetition to put admins on the endangered list. 159 ポイント160 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              I've never been in threads linked to /r/SubredditDrama before. I feel like I've achieved something.

                                                              But yeah no as I pressed submit I never thought anyone would be upset about killing hypothetical Nazis, but welcome to 2017 I guess. Where Nazi hating is a political stance.

                                                              [–]beary_goodPro-Censorship Fascist 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I never thought anyone would be upset about

                                                              Welcome to SRD

                                                              [–]Xealeon 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              You'd be amazed at what's apparently a "political issue" now. Like hating Nazis or being gay.

                                                              [–]twinksteverogersThanks for the daily reminder that idiots like you still exist. 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Or being a muslim

                                                              [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              Or thinking that maybe people who aren't white could be the main character more than once a decade.

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                                                                  [–]Mawrten 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  Jesus fucking Christ! This is even dumber than the Far Cry 5 drama. Complaining about killing Nazis in a video game? What the fuck!

                                                                  [–]AkortMy point, is no Jews invited me to worship Saturn 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  In a game franchise that has always been about killing differnt form of Nazis

                                                                  [–]german_leopard 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  "Or I'm not buying this game because the company thinks all white people that disagree with them are nazis. My gender is nazi. I identify as a nazi frog and this is very triggering."

                                                                  [–]cisxuzuul 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Ribbit

                                                                  [–]nikfraProve it then you fucking shill 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Have the chemicals in the water already turned you into a gay Nazi frog?

                                                                  [–]RealRealGoodfun is just a buzzword 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  We are not taking your liberal bullshit anymore. You will see this in the next few elections.

                                                                  Hating nazis is liberal bullshit, cool.

                                                                  Stuff like this is ensuring votes for the people you guys hate the most in the next elections.

                                                                  "Calling people racist is the real hate speech!"

                                                                  (I am not even a conservative.)

                                                                  Oh, this guy likes to smoke weed.

                                                                  [–]quasiix 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Stuff like this is ensuring votes for the people you guys hate the most in the next elections.

                                                                  If there is a more accurate representation the voting population of America than a group of people whining about video games on reddit, then I surely have never found it.

                                                                  Their thoughts, their feelings, their priorities....how could they not speak for us all?

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                                                                    [–]Not_A_Doctor__ 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    "Why can't we have a kinder, more balanced portrayal of nazi collaborators?"

                                                                    [–]centurion_celery 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    so, literally killing Nazis is now a bad thing

                                                                    these alt right tards whine about "LOL TRIGGERED" yet get triggered by...video games and world war 2 era fighting.

                                                                    [–]Enthused_Llama 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                    The alt right tards get triggered by everything that disagrees, that's why they scream about everyone else being triggered.

                                                                    [–]ElectJimLahey 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    It's an entire political ideology based on projecting one's insecurities onto others.

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                                                                        [–]virohmYour Reddit karma is just a reflection of your life 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        I mean... shooting nazis is getting kind of old as well as including one stereotypically "black" character. However this game has a parodic twist that sets it apart from the crowd.

                                                                        Being critical of repetition in a video game thread about shooting things seems a little ironic to me.

                                                                        [–]The_Gares_Escape_PlaConstantly having an existential crisis 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        I'm like 99% sure the "stereotypical black character" is a Pam Grier/blaxpoitation film reference. The last game had this weird, grindhouse flick (with the crazy story and over the top characters and violence) vibe going on, so it makes sense the new one would continue that trend.

                                                                        [–]Citizen_O 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        If hating Nazis is now somehow a controversial political stance, I'm happy to take that stance.

                                                                        [–]IDontKnowHowToPMTobias is my spirit animal 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        The instant a political party adds the words "Hating Nazis" to their official platform, I'll be registering for that party.

                                                                        [–]Jiketi 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                        The developers of this game have a political point to make to gamers- an audience that is filled with kids. Indoctrination. We know for a fact this is a tool of liberals because we see it everyday in ALL media.

                                                                        "Of course, everything I don't like is indoctrination."

                                                                        [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        None of the other Wolfenstein games where you shoot Nazis was indoctrination, just this one, because I don't like it.

                                                                        [–]Buttstache💕known fat lover 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        Frankly I don't think indoctrination AGAINST NAZIS is a bad thing. My history classes in school also did that.

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                                                                          [–]Enthused_Llama 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          We've reached peak irony.

                                                                          People that spout the "Make America Great Again" slogan are bitching about a video game protraying shooting Nazis - WW2 being literally the thing that made the 'Great' America they want to return to.

                                                                          THEY ARE LITERALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT MAKING AMERICA GREAT.

                                                                          [–]tehbehA fallacy to surpass metal gear 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Shouldn't these fucknuggets love wolfenstein? The overarching story involves a Jewish society of super scientists that are centuries ahead of the rest humanity in terms of technology and use that knowledge to carefully steer human science around the most deadly of those technologies so we don't wipe each other out.
                                                                          Also all the Nazi buildings are slowly dissolving because one of the Jewish super scientists fucked with their formula for super concrete.

                                                                          [–]Enthused_Llama 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Also all the Nazi buildings are slowly dissolving because one of the Jewish super scientists fucked with their formula for super concrete.

                                                                          Thanks for some reason I couldn't remember the conclusion of that little miniplot.

                                                                          [–]grungebot5000jesus man 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I don't remember conservatives calling liberals the KKK or nazis

                                                                          immediately proceeds to call liberals the KKK and "the real racists"

                                                                          edit: holy shit why are people mentioning tay tweets in that thread

                                                                          i still don't understand why people act surprised that when you forcefeed a learning twitter bot nothing but heinous shit, it starts saying heinous shit.

                                                                          [–]CyborgSlunk[🍰] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          It's E3 drama season!

                                                                          [–]AkortMy point, is no Jews invited me to worship Saturn 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Idk. This is far more disturbing than the normal E3 drama.

                                                                          Although we got part 2 of the Bethesda paid mods debacle that is mire in line with the silly drama we are used to getting from this part of the year.

                                                                          [–]ComfyBrah 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Reddits welcomes filth like these idiots with open arms. They are getting bred in edgy subs like IGTHFT.t_d.dankmemes,cringeanarchy,KIA,TIA.

                                                                          Pathetic

                                                                          [–]JynNJuiceDon't lecture me on sugar. I know all about it 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          How am I living in a reality where it's now controversial to kill Nazis.

                                                                          For fuck's sake, world.

                                                                          [–]ElagabalusRexAnarchist-Monarchist-Feudalist 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          With gamers like these, who needs Jack Thompson?

                                                                          [–]sugakiwi 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                          Between this and The Last Night's co-creator's past tweets that reeked of redpill, gamergate, and general altrightish talk, this E3 has been good for drama.

                                                                          [–]tehbehA fallacy to surpass metal gear 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                          Yo friendo, can you give me some links cause I must have missed that drama

                                                                          [–]sugakiwi 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                          Here are some neogaf links that summed it up

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                                                                          If you need more just google "The Last Night game" and you will likely find a few dozen articles about it. It was the fastest transition of "THAT LOOKS HYPE" to "OH NOO" I've ever seen. Like sub 30 minutes.

                                                                          The best thing this caused was the popularity of the term "Milkshake Duck"

                                                                          [–]Twitch_Half 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                          I miss the 90s when I was a kid and we were all mixed and never thought about colour or religion.

                                                                          Remember when racism took a decade off?

                                                                          [–]joesap9 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                          I feel like all the media I watched as a kid then made it seem like that, like racism was in the past and MLK solved it forever. Without direct exposure to racism it took a long time for me to understand how bad it still is

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                                                                            [–]DreadCascadeEffect 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I confused The Last Night and Night in the Woods for a second there and was very confused.

                                                                            [–]happyscrappy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Nazis are just a bunch of snowflakes.

                                                                            [–]Zombies_hate_ninjas 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Haha FML I've lived long enough that BJ "I kill Nazis for fun" Blazkowicz is seen as an SJW. I don't know what to say. If you have a problem with Nazis and Klan ass hats being the bad guys, you're probably beyond help at this point. I just can't help you.

                                                                            [–]AnimeIRL 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            nazis getting mad that you kill nazis in the nazi killing game

                                                                            [–]Enthused_Llama 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            being anti-nazi in 2017 is fucking pointless

                                                                            Oh no.

                                                                            [–]endperform 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            These comments are real? Wow, never thought I'd see the day where a Wolfenstein game gets complaints for being a Wolfenstein game.

                                                                            [–]Dhenn004 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            Hasn't this game always been about killing nazis? Did I miss something? Why the sudden outcry? Lol

                                                                            [–]12-juin-3049If you follow gaming culture you'd know where im coming from 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Nazi apologia is on the rise

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                                                                              [–]SupaSonicWhisper 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                              I don't get upset if they're SS, or enlisted men. They signed up and they knew damned well what they were doing. Conscripted soldiers are different. They were forced to fight when Hitler declared total war: This would sometimes include children and young women.

                                                                              So now we need to separate which Nazis were bad eggs to begin with and signed up to be Nazis and which ones were forced to be bad by Hitler. Maybe we can get the good ones to wear an arm band or some sort of symbol on their lapel and the bad ones could be stamped with some sort of permanent tag. You know, just to be safe so we don't discriminate against the good Nazis.

                                                                              Well, we'll see. It's implied that resistance still exists in some countries; Maybe we'll see conscripts in America.

                                                                              Jesus. I feel like so many of these dopes who just know they're gonna start drafting men and day now want a war and conscription just so they can play out their war fantasies. In reality, they'd be the first dipshit to run and hide in their neighbor's poorly constructed doomsday shelter.

                                                                              [–]TexasKilldozer 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              So much for the tolerant left joystick.

                                                                              [–]A-Theist0896 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              You get a life. We are not taking your liberal bullshit anymore. You will see this in the next few elections.

                                                                              Viva La Revolution!

                                                                              [–]DreamerlaxFeminized Canadian Cuck 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                              Holy fuck these people are dense. People have been kicking Nazi ass in Wolfenstein for more than 20 years already!

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