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DRAMA[Discussion] The Last Night Megathread (self.KotakuInAction)

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I think its best to make a Megathread about The Last Night and the current backlash happening right now. Here's what has been posted so far. This will be updated with the help of comments:

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[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 361 ポイント362 ポイント  (42子コメント)

From NeoGAF archive:

Seriously. Why can't GamerGaters just make bad games? lol

QUOTE OF THE YEAR

[–]AcherosIs fake journalism | Is a prophet | Victim of grave injustice 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Maybe it's because gamergaters are actually gamers, and gamers know what we want? SOCJUS are too concerned with virtue signaling and "spreading their message" to actually make good content.

it's the same reason all christian video games are trash. they care more about spreading the gospel than making good games.

[–]Pixelguin 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (18子コメント)

On the flip side, the reason VeggieTales is considered a breakout hit in Christian media is that it manages to be entertaining for children first and foremost. Engage your audience before you give them a moral, otherwise it won't stick.

[–]AcherosIs fake journalism | Is a prophet | Victim of grave injustice 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Well that and, from what I remember from watching VeggieTales when I was little - so I'm probably missing a lot.

they didn't even try pushing gospel. They weren't trying to PREACH to kids. they were trying to teach them good, moral lessons that most Christians also believe in. Things like the "golden rule". You could watch most of VeggieTales and not even realize it's a Christian show; I know I never did when I was young.

[–]This_is_my_phone_thoFrumpy 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It uses stories from the bible. if you go to church you notice them.

I can't remember exactly but i kind of remember the boat being in there.

[–]sciencemile 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Eh even Pokemon did the Noah's Ark thing, that's an easy one.

[–]newb4 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, Evangelion used stories from the bible too. Most of our stories are based upon previous stories.

[–]Piratian 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all christian stories, but told in a way that they're not taking a bible to your head and beating you over it. To this day that stupid song about some guy eating a whole chocolate bunny instead of veggies gets stuck in my head every now and then.

[–]geedeeit 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Way back in the day I taught little kids in Sunday School, and when I would try to tell them Bible stories they were like, "hey, this is David and the giant pickle!" and they thought everything was fiction.

So I'm not sure it worked out like it was intended.

disclaimer: I now believe those stories are fiction so we don't need to have that discussion.

[–]Volcanic-Penguin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could you explain the difference between teaching and preaching?

[–]feelsbeforemeals 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Teaching: Looking to educate the audience about a subject. Preaching: Looking to convert the audience's opinion into their own.

[–]jared0h 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My daughter has watched it. I had no clue it was a christian show.

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    [–]Darddeac 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    it's the same reason all christian video games are trash.

    Nigga you what.

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      [–]SixtyFourssecret mod?[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      SHIT! That's a spicy quote

      [–]brokenovertonwindowI am the 70k GET shittiest shitlord. 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Awww, stupid megathread stole my internet points :'(

      [–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sorry not sorry.

      [–]HariMichaelson 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      On the other hand, if SJWs made good games, I'd buy them and play them. Instead, whether they're in a shitty indie studio or a big company, they make shit games, time and again.

      [–]Steampunk_Moustache 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That awkward moment when they realise that 'gators' make the games people want to play and SJW's make shit nobody cares about.

      [–]Agkistro13 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      BANNED!

      [–]GumshoosMerchant 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      LOL!

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        [–]YESmovementLaci Green raped me. 151 ポイント152 ポイント  (44子コメント)

        In case you had any doubt as to why ZQ was doing this: http://archive.is/kD8vn

        [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (16子コメント)

        "Buy my book".

        [–]pansexualgenderdruid 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Except nobody is 🌝

        [–]Radspakr 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        That is pitiful I could probably publish my shopping list to Amazon and get more sales.

        [–]Heuristics 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Tell me more about this shopping list. Does it have paprika?

        [–]Radspakr 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Fuck I knew I forgot something....guess you'll have to find out in the next volume.

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          [–]insinr8r 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          All this nonsense and whiny bullshit for 202 sales.

          Unbelievable. Fuckin' GamerGate.

          [–]Chyrys 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Europe gives 0 shits apparently.

          [–]NoOneWhere 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          She's barely known in Europe... Especially since (except for the UK, but I heard they're hiring a boat to move the UK closer to the US... And even those in Sweden don't know what to do with Sweden) Europe isn't as heavily infested yet by identity politics and SJWs. Sure, Europe is being called by Americans 'political correct' (and they'd have a partial point), but since Europe is less on the extremes in that regard, people see less the need for such bullshit politics.

          Only ones who introduced such shit so far are in general are either immigrants from the American continent (not only the US, but mostly) and some hipster women who have visited too much of Gawker and co.

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            [–]ErikaThePaladin 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Buy my book!

            [–]Raz0rking 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            202 books. Wow what an astonishing number!

            [–]3happy5u 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (15子コメント)

            And people are angry at Notch for calling her a cunt lol

            [–]Agrias-Oaks 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That's like being angry at someone for saying that water is wet.

            [–]TheCid 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            She lacks the necessary warmth and depth.

            [–]YESmovementLaci Green raped me. 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Funny thing is, Notch had no idea it was ZQ because changes her username/Twitter handle all the time.

            [–]SupremeReader 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wasn't it ZQ that put his feet on Notch's table and had Sarky tweet it? Or do I mix it up now.

            [–]jlenoconel 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            She's a terrible person.

            [–]Spoor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "terrible" doesn't even come remotely close.

            [–]Itsalways451 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The best part is that they can't hurt him with their usual social tactics, he's got dat sweet "fuck you" money.

            [–]Raz0rking 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            and because he has "NO FUCK YOU ALL" money he does not care

            [–]Elmarby 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And by the way kudos to Notch for making the best possible use of "fuck you" money I have ever seen anyone do. He was never a big fan of beating around the bush but damn if he doesn't call them as he sees them like never before.

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              [–]supergtt 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              fucking beta orbiters.

              http://i.imgur.com/99e2Bxz.png

              [–]Izkata 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              "Memoirs"?

              Isn't that something you're supposed to make around retirement?

              [–]YESmovementLaci Green raped me. 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You think she's going to do anything bigger or better?

              [–]Singulaire 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Possibly? Nathan Grayson isn't very big or good so the bar for bigger and better is set pretty low.

              [–]Bamelin 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              To promote her book? For reals?

              [–]darkharlequinMPH 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Personally I can't wait for the dramatic readings.

              [–]Chad_Nine 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              https://youtu.be/aDTwO0TlwOU

              [–]youtubefactsbot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The Critic - Buy My Book [0:08]

              Jay Sherman wants you to buy his book

              RichUncleFloyd in Comedy

              154,538 views since Jul 2009

              bot info

              [–]ForkAndBucket 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              good for you for turning a nightmare into an opportunity to educate. How many book burnings do you think man children will film?

              Really? Someone seriously typed that?

              [–]YESmovementLaci Green raped me. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Apparently they don't know it's feminists who do the book burnings now.

              [–]Icon_Crash 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "How to make the internet suck less".. what, she she officially announcing that she's going to move off grid?

              [–]ceyen1 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (17子コメント)

              If the Anti-GG people are freaking out over some tweets moderate on GG three years ago wait till they see Kingdom Come Deliverance.

              [–]ZackRoyer 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              I believe Vavra has an axe behind a glass panel written "In case of SJW bullshit break the glass" at his office.

              [–]Singulaire 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              And a second axe on his table to break the glass with.

              [–]kamikazi34 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              AND MY AXE!

              [–]BrandonOR 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You carry the fate of us all little one

              [–]SupremeReader 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I believe Vavra has an axe

              http://gamergateblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/danielvavra-676x958.jpg

              [–]ZackRoyer 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That is just his letter opener.

              [–]HBlight 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The floor around it is probably covered in several layers of broken glass.

              [–]Arkblue 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You are naive thinking he doesn't have axes lying around for no reasons in particular.

              [–]3happy5u 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I guess this one is more important because it's E3. It's, like, the most important gaming event out there.

              [–]Makoto_Niijima 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              This is why Zoe Quin is so pissed, her situation is just schadenfreude for everyone else.

              Gamergate developers are getting E3 presentations, meanwhile she burned all her bridges with the gaming industry and will be infamous for the rest of her life because of a sex scandal.

              [–]MakeCapcomGreatAgain 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              No to mention she's assblasted because Milo's book is on the best sellers at amazon. XD

              [–]TheManGuyz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Lauren Southern's book did alright too.

              [–]saleri120 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              ZQ is just a shitstain in the gaming history. Let's make sure that she's remembered as nothing more than that.

              [–]alexmikli 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              This is why Zoe Quin is so pissed, her situation is just schadenfreude for everyone else.

              What a fucking cunt

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                [–]MakeCapcomGreatAgain 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Vavra's game was on last year's Sony's conference at E3 but nobody gave a shit. I think the difference is that Tim's game caters more toward hipsters due to the art style and stuff, so when they started to dig info on who the developer was then they found out the tweets and the rest is history.....

                [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                Jennifer Scheurle advocates for ideological blacklisting in the gaming industry (re: The Last Night)

                https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6gphxl/twitter_bullshit_jennifer_scheurle_advocates_for/

                Playing the victim 'muh mentions' when called out on this:

                https://archive.fo/WzYnZ

                [–]darkharlequinMPH 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                And she's Australian. Fuck me my country's going to shit.

                [–]kamikazi34 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                How exactly did you go from an island full of criminals to.... whatever it is you are now.

                [–]bloodyminded42 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I suspect, but cannot be certain, that you just answered your own question.

                [–]darkharlequinMPH 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I imagine it's the same as in the US in the people in the big cities are completely out of touch with the rest of the country but of course it's their opinion that gets listened to by the powers that be.

                [–]Singulaire 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Yeah, but I feel like retarded game devs are a smaller symptom than, say, our government spending tens of millions of dollars teaching people that men can't be domestic violence victims.

                [–]Adiabat79 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                What happened with you guys? I swear ten years ago Australia seemed like a bastion of anti-PC. You guys just didn't give a shit, and it was awesome. Now you seem to have it worse than everywhere except Canada.

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                  [–]rusty_chipmunk 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  can dish it out but cant take it. She joined in to pile on the creator of this game but as soon as people start going for her its victim card time.

                  [–]withheat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Isn't that hair cultural appropriation? :)

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                    [–]AllMightyReginald 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    It's pretty funny the way they can't name any actually sexist things he has said.

                    [–]HBlight 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He used the term "GamerGate" without immediately following it up with "a sexist alt-right movement aimed at harassing women out of videogames" as is mandated by THE NARRATIVE. His thoughtcrimes are even worse, since he attempted to mention it in a positive light.

                    And there is the sexist thing, mentioning GamerGate in a non-negative light. Since the media have been doing well-poisoning on a level that even the Chinese environmental protection agency couldn't be bribed to overlook, the mere act of not toeing the line is itself 'sexist'.

                    [–]3happy5u 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Add this:

                    https://twitter.com/TynanSylvester/status/874136942622986240

                    Rimworld developer(who also had been a target of a witch hunt for supporting GG) congratulates Tim on the free publicity.

                    [–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Haha, beautiful

                    But he needs to get back to work and finish the damn game, still waiting to play it (I know I know I should just play it despite it being in Early Access)

                    [–]fikkityfook 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    You haven't played it even once? It has a lot of replay, getting in sooner just means you'll understand the current mechanics before they add more / make them more complex. Less of a hill to climb.

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                      [–]Elinim 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      If some far left nutjob made this exact same game with the premise that non-leftists took the world over, I would still be interested because the VIDEO GAME looks amazing.

                      I don't think anything disgusts me more than someone not being interested in a video game because of the developer's political view. How petty do you have to be to think like that, where your interest in video games takes a backseat to fucking politics.

                      [–]CallMeBigPapaya 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Dystopian stories are failed utopian stories, but this people don't want to be told that there will never be a utopia. People who believe in any kind of utopia are delusional and dangerous. Utopia is a tongue-in-cheek term, but they're too radicalized to realize it. They're also too ignorant to realize that someone making a cynical comment like this isn't just a nihilist who wants to watch the world burn.

                      [–]Sosogi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      people don't want to be told that there will never be a utopia

                      Which is funny because it's right there in the name. We don't call it Eutopia.

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                        [–]jlenoconel 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        They're already kinda making a game like that. Its called Farcry 5.

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                          [–]GG-EZ 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                          Was it really necessary to outright remove the previous threads without linking to them here? That's a lot of comments you're disappearing...

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6goswz/drama_zoe_quinn_leading_a_harassment_campaign/

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6gorhk/tim_soret_creator_of_the_last_night_supported/

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6gpch1/neogaf_adding_to_the_witch_hunt_against_the_last/

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6goyya/zoey_quinn_cant_understand_why_a_game_dev_has/

                          [–]TemporalTimeWarp 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          It's just pinkerbelle getting her kicks

                          [–]MoebiusOuroboros 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          For anyone who hasn't tried reading a removed thread: they still work. You can comment, upvote, downvote and everything else, they're just not visible. Protest the moderators' oppression by going there now!

                          [–]SixtyFourssecret mod?[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          Dude I'm not a real mod.

                          [–]AkudraA-cool-dra 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          Did you ask them to do anything or is this just the mods being shit again? Seriously, deleting older threads because of a mega-thread is absurd, especially when one had hundreds of up-votes.

                          [–]GG-EZ 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Seems to just be HandofBane doing his usual thing...

                          [–]SixtyFourssecret mod?[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          I made the megathread just to quell the multiple threads made. I actually expected the other threads to remain up in terms of grandfathering.

                          [–]graspee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          "I don't have to listen to you! You're not my read mod!"

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                              [–]target_lockedMayo shooting hotdog gun ready to fire! 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Ignore them, Tim. The only way to win their game is to not play.

                              [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Yes Tim. Don't apologize and don't acknowledge that their complaints have any validity. Utterly reject the world view that those who are offended by speech are owed anything by the speaker.

                              [–]darkharlequinMPH 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I call it Pulling a Rolfe after the way James Rolfe expertly handled the Ghostbusters situation.

                              [–]Eternal-Requiem 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Depends.. from what I understand, his game "might" be a distopian future where feminists won and egalitarians lost.

                              If that's the case, then the more drama, the better.

                              If anyone has more info on this, feel free to drop some knowledge bombs on us.

                              [–]GG-EZ 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Watch that supposed theme be so underplayed that you can't even distinguish the story and setting from any other dystopian cyberpunk unless you already knew about it beforehand.

                              [–]Eternal-Requiem 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              One way or the other, only time will tell I guess.

                              Would've been funny as hell if his previous tweets had been deleted and his game continued to get hyped by "everyone" to the point of getting massive sales.. only to have the plot smack SJWs in the face at launch. (if the plot really is about a distopian feminist future)

                              [–]jlenoconel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Sadly, its probably better that a game isn't overly political. I do enjoy it when people tell SJWs to go fuck themselves, but its obviously risky to do it in your work. Better to leave the politics at the front door.

                              [–]Rygar_the_Beast 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              so they found something from E3 to use to draw attention for themselves.

                              Who would've thunk it. Let see how many articles about this we get tomorrow.

                              [–]da394ba8f4646fabe414 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I'm sure the journocult slack is filled with faux outrage right at this moment. I can almost hear the angry keyboard clacking as smears and lies are angrily pounded into their shitty "blogs".

                              someone is not an sjw extremist communist and is going to be successful!. Get him. REEEEEEEEEEEE

                              [–]Tormunch_Giantlabe 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              It's pretty terrifying how quickly and unreservedly they dehumanize him. "Garbage person" is thrown around a bit. His work is dismissed not just out of hand, but in spite of immense initial interest. Not only do people say they won't buy or play his game, but many are criticizing Microsoft for publishing him.

                              If his game really is about a "progressive" dystopia, holy shit did he just get a majorly frightening validation.

                              [–]krautkid 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Not to mention all the 'gross' comments. I've been watching the fallout on my Twitter and it's hilarious watching them describe him in baby-insult terms because they lack any vocab that isn't just parroted in their circles. Seriously. They all use the same tired vernacular and phrases. 'Folks', 'Gross', 'Problematic', 'Y'all'. Just eyerollingly stupid how devoid of personality they are.

                              But you're right. Kinda scary. Which is why I keep my public mouth shut online about stuff like this. I have no idea that it won't cost me my job.

                              [–]Unplussed 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              'Folks', 'Gross', 'Y'all'

                              I think this stems from the narcissistic belief that they're smarter than everyone else, and have to talk like the target is a child or yokel (the last of which they assume everyone who doesn't agree with them is, if not simply a bigot).

                              [–]Intra_ag 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              I'm glad I'm not the only one that recoils at their repetitive and dismissive vocabulary

                              [–]krautkid 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I find it really obnoxious. Like seeing the same argument from a child who can't expand or explain aside from these really banal words to why something is wrong or bad to them. It just 'is gross' because someone else said it was and therefore a write off. They're like classic groupthink at this point.

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                                [–]mcantrell 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                Update: Raw Fury Games have posted a twitlonger about it: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spupkj

                                Basically, full on capitulation mode. Expect Tim to be fired within the next few days, and them to hire a pink haired diversity consultant this week.

                                [–]SNCommand 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Raw Fury is only the publisher though, only thing they can do is to chose to forego money just like when S&S dropped Milo's book

                                And I doubt Tim is going to fire himself from his own studio

                                [–]WylanderukDual wields double standards 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Well with that twit longer they have just made the first entry in my "never gonna buy anything they have anything to do with" list.

                                [–]GG-EZ 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Archive of said Idle Thumbs forum thread:

                                http://archive.is/7MGVR http://archive.is/PAtoZ http://archive.is/P1GgY

                                Keep in mind that this took place late 2014, a couple of month after the "Gamers are Dead" articles. So this shit-stirring happened before and now we're seeing a large-scale repeat on the exact same "crimes".

                                And yeah, this attempt at damage control isn't even going to satisfy the crybullies. They want Tim blacklisted, period.

                                [–]harry_redknapp 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Un-fucking-believable. His points are well-reasoned, rational and level-headed. Where is this horseshit vitriol coming from? From all this negative press and this Raw Fury Games twitlonger, you'd think he'd said something about women getting back into the kitchen or some shit.

                                These people are legitimately trying to ban alternate points of view.

                                [–]OzerhThen pull that trigger... For FREEDOM! 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Fucking garbage.

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                                  [–]danielmann861 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  So I see Zoe Quinn is still a talentless fucking nobody who can only make money by stirring up Internet Drama...so what else is new?

                                  Fuck Zoe Quinn...I wish I had never heard the name Zoe Quinn.

                                  [–]Bizz408 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Zoe Quinn is just a moniker she hides behind while she harasses and bullies people she doesn't like online.

                                  her real name is Chelsea Valkenburg or some shit.

                                  [–]jlenoconel 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I wish this wasn't becoming a "thing." Its obvious that Quinn wants to reignite GamerGate so that her piece of shit book sells when it comes out in a few months. Just sad that people like her have to use others success to gain notoriety for themselves.

                                  [–]OpiesMammogramResult 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  And, right on cue, here comes Graham Linehan, "Do NOT buy games from GamerGaters

                                  [–]bloodyminded42 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  She's never gonna sleep with you, Graham cracker.

                                  [–]OpiesMammogramResult 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I dunno about that, once she finds out that he's really the leader of the DUP, she might be attracted to the power he wields... even if he had to dress up as a lady to get it.

                                  [–]TheManGuyz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Has Jim sterling made any condescending snarky remarks about this guy and his game yet? I know he praised the game the first time he saw it at e3, but...

                                  [–]_videogames_ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I think most people that were neutral during the genesis of GG are coming around to the pro-GG side as SJW hysteria reaches a critical point. That certainly describes me. I think this is incredibly good press for this game and will increase sales.

                                  [–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I wrote this on The Last Night's Steam page:

                                  There are more people who will support this game than 'boycott' it.

                                  I'd just like to add my voice to what I'm sure is a growing number of people who support Tim Soret and absolutely despise the way he has been treated in the media.

                                  I would buy this game just on principle if it gets 'boycotted' by certain individuals who claim to be all about 'social justice' but actually just want to act like bullies towards those they deem unworthy.

                                  I will NOT, however, even take one look at this game if you, Raw Fury Games, decide to fire Tim Soret or indeed punish him in any way for being a human being with reasonable views. Shame on you already for throwing him under the bus and criticizing gamers in your recent Twitlonger post.

                                  I'm a huge cyberpunk fan and hearing about this whole incident has put this game on my radar. If you stand up for free speech and leave Tim Soret be, rest assured you will have a mountain of positive interest in your game.

                                  I think it's absolutely disgusting the way people think they can police who can and can't make videogames based on completely reasonable views expressed on Twitter.

                                  I think it's important to let the developers know that these Twitter bullies don't represent their game's audience.

                                  [–]takenusername5000 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  David Jaffe comments on the witch hunt.

                                  Reading his tweets is painful

                                  [–]Boogalulu 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  The regressive left continues to show how fragile they are calling for this game to be banned. Do you snowflakes need a safe space because of this game?. How about you feminists say something about the children and women being sold as sex slaves in the middle east. Instead of getting outraged about a fucking video game that dares not agree with your modern feminism. Fun fact. Most women don't identify themselves as feminists anymore. They are leaving that movement in their droves as you royally fucked it up in recent years. Still got nothing to say about those Christian women and kids being raped to death in the middle east as sex slaves?. You spineless fucks.

                                  [–]mcantrell 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  What's really nice is someone took a screenshot of Google News Search Results of all the praise Polygon et all were lavishing on The Last Night... before Quinn gave them their marching orders.

                                  [–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  got a link for that?

                                  [–]shillingintensify 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                  The universal praise:

                                  https://twitter.com/9_volt88/status/874023835707822083

                                  https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/874021990339936256

                                  https://twitter.com/kezamacdonald/status/874022465483231232

                                  https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/874022006198489088

                                  https://twitter.com/JesseCox/status/874022053917057024

                                  https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/874022190857023490

                                  Then, the cry storm:

                                  https://twitter.com/Gaohmee/status/874070502884519937

                                  https://twitter.com/nath_kai/status/874024412797960192

                                  https://twitter.com/Bearpigman/status/874041727363022849

                                  https://twitter.com/justgamesonly22/status/874058962101874689 HMM https://twitter.com/Brad_Glasgow/status/874101532593192962

                                  https://twitter.com/yumecaty/status/874067346310049792

                                  https://twitter.com/bravemule/status/874102005656113153

                                  https://twitter.com/VoidBurger/status/874084436228415488

                                  https://twitter.com/machineiv/status/874077426996830208

                                  https://twitter.com/juliecornewell/status/874077969936986112

                                  https://twitter.com/xandertheblue/status/874105121587777537

                                  https://twitter.com/GillianDN/status/874087409914433537 - haha that NL hack

                                  https://twitter.com/spacetwinks/status/874064550978617345

                                  https://twitter.com/PeachyAenne/status/874091334360899584

                                  https://twitter.com/BronsonLee/status/874093750968082432

                                  https://twitter.com/Peeardee/status/874093488932962304 sjw PAXer

                                  https://twitter.com/designcoyote/status/874096020183031809 http://archive.is/l1DBn the blacklisting is real

                                  https://twitter.com/MadamClinton/status/874068166506409984

                                  https://twitter.com/BAKKOOONN/status/874082692769370113 gamergate seal of good looking games

                                  https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/874083995050328064

                                  [–]Agkistro13 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Jaffe telling GG mischaracterizations of our movement are our own fault because we didn't try hard enough to correct them pisses me off. For one thing, what the fuck does he know about it? For another thing, we've got 80k subs and regularly hit the front page, and there isn''t an objective pair of eyes on the planet that doesn't think we're doing better than the SJWs in terms of PR these days. For a third thing what fucking hole does he live in where he thinks places like Vox, Gawker (RIP), and FemFreq change their stances in the face of evidence?

                                  [–]MakeCapcomGreatAgain 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Jaffe is the kind of guy that loves running his mouth even when he has no idea what the fuck he's even talking about. That's why he's always getting in trouble and then having to apologize and suck some dick to be forgiven by the clique.

                                  [–]HBlight 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  we didn't try hard enough to correct them

                                  GG literally can't get mentioned any more without the following format:

                                  "blah blah blah blah GamerGate, a misogynist alt-right hate group whose goal is to harass women out of vdieogames, blah blah blah blah".

                                  And GGs opponents won't let it go because it was one of the first big backlashes against their ideological monopoly, so they have to bring it up at any point to reinforce their narrative and salt the earth beneath it. It has to be destroyed and those who do not fall in line get destroyed with it.

                                  So yeah, we picked a fight with a bunch of social-media whores and journalist types who had much greater influence in those spheres than us plebeians could dream of, it's not that unsurprising when our reputation is outside of control. It was by sheer force of will and numbers that we could even get a word in edgewise.

                                  [–]darkharlequinMPH 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  Zoey Quinn is the Courtney Love of gaming. And lol at that one chick who looks like she's doing a Battlefield Earth cosplay calling anyone garbage people.

                                  [–]SysRootErr 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Hey now, at least Courtney Love had some talent and a successful career. Quinn has... her constant whining on Twitter.

                                  [–]darkharlequinMPH 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  That's fair. Continuing the theme of chicks Billy Corgan fucked maybe she's more of a Tila Tequila.

                                  [–]Bomb_adil 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Zoey Quinn is the Courtney Love of gaming

                                  Nah, she actually seems to have principles and stand for things: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/courtney-love-rips-linda-sarsour-vile-disgrace-women-anti-american-fraud/

                                  [–]SysRootErr 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Courtney's a lot more coherent now that she's off the drugs.

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                                    [–]sewerferaligatr 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    She did brag about killing some dude.

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                                      [–]DrakarisNoticed by SRSenpai and has the (((CUCK))) ready 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Just fyi I am 100% for never letting it go when a developer participated in GamerGate (unless someone actually made amends but no one has)

                                      Notch is wrong. It's not just a fucking cunt. It's "narcissistic entitled fucking cunt". This piece of irrelevant shit Quinn is somehow under the impression that people owe her stuff - apologies, explanations, groveling to the ground for offending the great God feminism and xir prophet, Zoe Quinn's gaping vagina. Get fukt, cunt, you're not entitled to anything, the only amends you deserve are a big middle finger, a spit in your stupid mug and a used butt plug.

                                      [–]notshitaltsaysProud Retard 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      The stuff that upsets people is so strange these days. Not only is there a different controversy every week, its always depicted as critically important. People talking like ignoring whatever Tim Soret did is the behaviour that elected trump, and Trump being elected is a clear path towards oppression.

                                      Stop, get some help. Thats certainly not a healthy thought process. Dislike people all you want, boycott things out of spite, but keep things in a realistic perspective.

                                      [–]ComradeShitlord 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I think the reason people are getting their jimmies so rustled over this is because that dumb pixel art style is more often associated with those progressive "artsy" kind of games. The neoprogressives assumed he was one of theirs, and then it turned out he wasn't.

                                      [–]Zmanwarrior 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Already posted but this is on a wholly separate tangeant.

                                      There's actually already a cyberpunk game that takes place in a (much more blatant) Feminist-centered dystopian cyberpunk setting. It's called Aerannis. Basically you play as a transgender hitman(hitwoman?) in a society ruled by TERFs. I've actually played through it myself. It's surprisingly good game-play wise, if a bit clunky. The controls are the biggest issue.

                                      The story is rather critical of radical feminism and our babby V-James even makes a cameo. The plot kind of loses its shit in the second half though. Gets really trippy.

                                      [–]SysRootErr 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I clicked your link and to my surprise I already own this game. It was in a bundle I bought last year. Guess it's time to play it.

                                      [–]Eternal-Requiem 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                      Like I said in the other thread, I don't think Ian (Heat Street) writting about the "incident" first is "part of the problem".

                                      If anything, this helps to prevent Polygon and Kotaku from instantly setting the narrative that the dev is evil and likes to kick puppies.

                                      [–]lucben999 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      this helps to prevent Polygon and Kotaku from instantly setting the narrative that the dev is evil and likes to kick puppies.

                                      I expect a barrage of hitpieces from more than just Polygon and Kotaku, their sacred cow has mooed.

                                      [–]Eternal-Requiem 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Yup and not only that, the premise of the game.. leans in a potentially unfavorable direction for the aggros: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCFrzxNUwAAeiDT.jpg

                                      [–]mcantrell 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      If it turns out that:

                                      • Straight People
                                      • White People
                                      • Men
                                      • Conservatives

                                      Are what makes people be "second class," then this is just the first salvo in the upcoming shitshow.

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                                        [–]SixtyFourssecret mod?[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I removed that part to be more neutral.

                                        [–]brokenovertonwindowI am the 70k GET shittiest shitlord. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        I'm not sure I would call the HS an issue, but it certainly won't set the narrative. How many are reading Heatstreet AND Polygon/Kotaku/etc? I would guess the overlap is actually very small. And the people reading HS are unlikely to have gone along with that narrative even if they DID see a hitpiece first. I honestly don't think HS's article will have much effect either way, most people who would care already had a position before they knew positions needed to be had.

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                                          [–]sexyjunglewarrior 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          If this game is a success, it will prove once and for all that the loudmouth social justice crybabies have NO power.

                                          I'm in for a copy.

                                          [–]groovegmr 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Publisher has started to grovel a bit which is not smart, you give an inch/opening when the people whining don't give a shit and will just take it even further now.

                                          [–]Confirmation_Biased 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          My god they're so afraid of upsetting the hive. It's so pathetic how scared they are to even be remotely critical of obvious frauds like Anita so they genuflect at the alter of feminism. It's ironic since the premise of the game is about this very issue and yet the they're publishing the game.

                                          [–]This_is_my_phone_thoFrumpy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Does anyone think microsoft is going to bend in to demands? or anyone else who has any pull over this game's health?

                                          [–]lowderchowder 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          hits blunt

                                          Dude what if he made those tweets back then because he knew Quinn would get butthurt and try to destroy him, but the premise of the game just proved his point along with getting free publicity and people talking about it.

                                          exhales

                                          [–]da394ba8f4646fabe414 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          lol http://archive.is/AF49q

                                          The longer I go on, the more I can't separate art from the people who make it.

                                          That's because you're an activist who supports ideology and not gaming. You're an ideologer not a gamer. Best not to confuse the two. Also It's entertainment not art. get rekt neet

                                          [–]ZackRoyer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I just heard about this game because of the bullshit, I love cyberpunk so this game is wishlisted already, I just hope the dev don't try to backpedal.

                                          [–]CountVonVague 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          here we go again.

                                          [–]MakeCapcomGreatAgain 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Is this tweet real?

                                          http://i.imgur.com/MKhGwtU.png

                                          [–]Keanu_Reeves_real 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So the problem isn't that Notch called someone a cunt, it's that he called Chelsea a cunt.

                                          BTW "Chelsea", "cunt", and "coincidence" are all c-words. Coincidence?

                                          [–]Rounder8 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          People openly advocating for people to have permanent second class citizenship over a tweet from years ago containing nothing particularly inflammatory.

                                          Amazing.

                                          [–]weltallic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          "If we can't find a leader of Gamergate to punish, we'll crown one ourselves!"

                                          [–]Chriss_m 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          Not that this actually matters, but the lead writer of The Last Night liked a tweet calling us terrorists and telling any developers who supported us to delete their accounts.

                                          [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Link?

                                          [–]Chriss_m 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          His Twitter is @MadQuills. It's fairly recent under his likes.

                                          The guy calling us terrorists used to write for Joystick and lives in London. SMH.

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                                            [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Another straight-up call for ideological blacklisting:

                                            https://archive.fo/H3lhG

                                            [–]Lugonn 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            People are throwing a massive tantrum because a cyber PUNK game is going against established politics and ideas. Has punk ever been more dead than this?

                                            [–]SysRootErr 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Punk was completely dead when all the bands started shilling for the Democratic Party and kept their mouths shut throughout the Obama administration only to reemerge the moment Trump was elected.

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                                              [–]Zmanwarrior 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              She doesn't seem to be getting the same article traction she used to.

                                              [–]96stars 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              From the publisher's statement:

                                              The wording of his statements toward feminism in 2014 was poor, and his buying into GamerGate as a movement on the notion that it represented gamers against journalists was naive, but in the same year he also cheered the rise of women in gaming. In a similar situation as the one happening now, folks on the IdleThumbs forums found questionable tweets and Tim took it upon himself to address them. What came from that was a dialogue where different viewpoints were considered and debated in a purposeful way. 

                                              Ugh. This whole paragraph is just painfully lacking awareness.

                                              [–]mnemosyne-0002chibi mnemosyne 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Archives for the links in comments:

                                              I am Mnemosyne 2.1, Ask not what kek can do for you. Ask what you can do for kek. - John F. Kekidy /r/botsrights Contribute message me suggestions at any time Opt out of tracking by messaging me "Opt Out" at any time

                                              [–]bobbybonnadouchey/r/gamers 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Meh, unless he's being funded by Microsoft he'll be fine.

                                              The game looks amazing. Hope it isn't short.

                                              [–]MakeCapcomGreatAgain 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              the panic mode clearly kicked in tho. He started writing a wall of tweets about how he's not a harasser and that the game is not against feminism and then he stopped even tho he said he was gonna address more things... He probably got a call from someone telling him to get the fuck away from twitter before he make things worse. haha

                                              [–]METAL4_BREAKFST 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              O. Who the fuck went and flipped the rock Zoe's been hiding under?

                                              [–]mcantrell 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Her book is already half off on Amazon. That's why. After stirring up the beehive she shilled her book.

                                              [–]mancubus314159 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Zoe Quinn is being a cunt again? Nostalgia!

                                              [–]KyleHydesNotebook 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              For people that want to see GamerGate fall into obscurity, they certainly know how to keep it in the limelight.

                                              Don't worry about marketing; these people give GamerGate all the fee publicity in the world.

                                              [–]Arkblue 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              On the other hand, who found out about The Last Night due to this drama?

                                              [–]AStereotypicalGamer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Never would've known without ZQ.

                                              [–]MalXenos86 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Oh look a game to buy

                                              [–]sewerferaligatr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I won't buy it blindly, but it certainly has my attention.

                                              [–]Marius_de_Romanus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              This game looks terrible to me...ZQ makes me want to buy it.

                                              How's that Streisand Effect working out for her?

                                              [–]Unplussed 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                              Why are people falling over themselves here trying to support this Tim guy? He looks like he's trying to play himself up as a "newly woke feminist ally who's totally on board with all your lady struggles".

                                              [–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                              Wouldn't you do that too if your entire career was about to disappear down the toilet?

                                              Oh no, I can hear you saying, I would be brave and stand up to the bullies and lose my job!

                                              [–]Free-Kekistan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              I would tell her to eat shit and die, then release the game on steam to record sales. I've been running a business for 13 years now, managing many people. Only cucks bend when the pressure is on. Hopefully he doesn't break or he's doomed to forever be at the mercy of cunts..

                                              [–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              He doesn't run the business though, that's my point

                                              [–]HariMichaelson 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              I would, but all of my friends tell me I'm an insane fucking bastard and that playing a game of chicken with me is suicidal.

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                                                [–]iiBuzz7S 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                He's either gotta apologise and go against his beliefs, or the contract will be torn up while the ink is still fresh.

                                                http://imgur.com/vI2z9vy

                                                [–]Shandlar 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                It seems she has now deleted this tweet. I cannot find it now. That should be good news that Microsoft will likely not be dogpiling on the wrong side of this issue (at least publicly).

                                                We shall see, going forward. All the pro-GG tweets I've seen from him archived seemed extremely tame and neutral, so I can't imagine there is any problem here.

                                                [–]supergtt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                That's not how contracts work.

                                                [–]PessimisticPaladin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                One of several people who if they got karma'd would restore so many people's faith in a kind and loving God.

                                                [–]SupremeReader 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                https://archive.fo/p0Csb

                                                I thought they wanted to replace the clapping with jazz hands?

                                                [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYThe internet was a mistake. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Louis Gauthier of Ubisoft says he will illegally download the game and then distribute it via torrent.

                                                https://archive.is/W48Xu

                                                [–]Internet_Hydra 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                DON'T PRE-ORDER THIS GAME OUT OF SOLIDARITY.

                                                Given the publisher's comments I can't trust them to not sift through and compromise the game before release to pander to these human trash, maybe even hire Sue Queen as a consultant or give a percentage of profits to feminist causes. It's safer to assume the game is fucked then to give money to compromise.

                                                Wait for post-release reviews from reliable sources.

                                                [–]Daedelous2k 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                ZQ is getting annihilated over their antics lol.

                                                [–]GG-EZ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Anyone else taking notice of this "milkshake duck" meme being passed around by anti-GG on Twitter? It apparently comes from the same guy who started the shit-stirring over The Last Night, making the joke a year ago and then rezzing it for this occassion. It goes like this:

                                                The whole internet loves Milkshake Duck, a lovely duck that drinks milkshakes! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you the duck is racist

                                                Somewhat dark humor, but really for the opposite reason than how they interpret. It's a joke encapsulating their desire to witchhunt and destroy someone at the drop of a hat, often over over faux crimes.

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