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[–]2ballsnawinky 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

How is this song related to mkultra? Honest question.

[–]_venkman 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]got-trunks 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

For example, a slave watching The Wizard of Oz is taught that “somewhere over the rainbow” is the “happy place” dissociative trauma slaves must go to in order to escape the unbearable pain being inflicted upon them. Using the movie, programmers encourage slaves to go “over the rainbow” and dissociate, effectively separating their minds from their bodies.

so it was used as an example, it wasn't a song derived from the experiment or written with any special clandestine design or purpose. Thank you for clearing that up

[–]islandofdelight 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Her connection with the attack is significant i think. Her popularity has increased because of it as well. Pop music makes the perfect vehicle for Ritual because they are performance by nature. There is magical intent embedded in lyrics and symbolism, and everyone who has an emotional reaction while watching it give the Ritual it's charge. Just like the violent act of the Manchester attack itself. These things fuel the energy reserves of dark entities.

[–]xSteezySuv 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I agree. Her PR went downhill after she was caught licking the donut and saying she doesn't like USA, or something similar. Anywho, she's the perfect celeb as she is young (has a long career ahead of her), talented and has had a lot invested into her so in my opinion this is also a PR stunt for people to like/forgive her again.

[–]xenjoi_lifex 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She said she hates America and Americans

[–]Rocketeer7 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And half the Americans agree with her at this point. Rofl.

[–]HatesRedditors 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There is magical intent embedded in lyrics and symbolism, and everyone who has an emotional reaction while watching it give the Ritual it's charge. Just like the violent act of the Manchester attack itself. These things fuel the energy reserves of dark entities.

Citation needed.

[–]Eitdgwlgo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It has to do with sigils. It's the dumbest shit and literally anything can be considered a magical sigil.

[–]gonzobon 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or she's just a talented singer at the wrong place at the wrong time and we're all just circle jerking youtube videos about occultism.

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Typically, in order to rise to her level of Fame/stardom you have to be in the right place at the right time, repeatedly.

[–]gonzobon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

confession Im not a fan of hers, but I've listened to her a few times and a few live songs.

She's quite talented. Very much not my kind of music. I am not into pop at all and feel good positive lovey music in general. But she has a distinct and unique singing talent.

But I'd never go to one of her shows.

Good talent gets recognized.

[–]SpongeBobSquarePants 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Except magic isn't real. If it was real it could be tested.

[–]uss_star_traveler 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Magic/Witchcraft is most certainly real and it was practiced in ancient days and is being practiced today. Whether it is a basic ritual or a child sacrifice, he forces that perform this are lucifarian and they are also in control of music, the corrupted scientific community and media, making it easy to convince you that it doesn't exist.

[–]hipery2 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (23子コメント)

making it easy to convince you that it doesn't exist.

A lack of measurable evidence also proves that it does not exist.

[–]ponerologist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (22子コメント)

So what was the purpose of the mystery schools, occult orders, secret societies, mystics, sages, spiritual paths etc throughout the ages? Have you looked into the occult at all? What do you think of e.g. Aleister Crowley?

The fact that high-profile, elite individuals take an obvious, albeit unpublicised, interest in the occult / black magic is sufficient for me to take it seriously. Most people who dismiss it out of hand have never looked into it.

[–]hipery2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (21子コメント)

People like to believe that they have control of something when they don't, that's why there so many different kinds of "magical" organizations around.

I have looked into the occult but it's all baloney.

[–]ponerologist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

People also like to believe that there's nothing really mysterious about life, that science has everything pretty much figured out (or will in the future) and that their worldview is basically the correct one and doesn't need to be held up to scrutiny. That's an alternative but equally comforting view, one which I happen to believe is 'baloney'. Each to their own.

[–]hipery2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Science is not an alternative to magic. Science explains why "magical" things happen. Two thousand years ago we believed that a magical man caused thunderstorms, now we now why thunderstorms happen and how they happen. If killing a goat really lead to a desired outcome then science would be able to measure it and we could find out how goat killings affect outcomes, but sacrifices can't be measured because they don't work.

[–]ponerologist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Straw man? I'm not trying to argue that thunderstorms are magical phenomena, that goat sacrifices yield a desired outcome (what kind of scientist would even test that theory anyway, they'd be a laughing stock for even considering it), or that magic is an equally valid alternative to science.

Science is a tool, not a religion. This reality could be a matrix or a hologram for all we know, so I think anyone declaring universal truths with 100% certainty is deluding themselves - whether they're scientific materialists, fundamentalist Christians, scientologists, 'magick' practitioners or adherents to some other philosophy.

[–]hipery2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Straw man? I'm not trying to argue that thunderstorms are magical phenomena, that goat sacrifices yield a desired outcome

I'm just using that as an example, but feel free to suggest others.

what kind of scientist would even test that theory

An ethics board would probably never allow that. But they can test witchcraft candles.

or that magic is an equally valid alternative to science.

Science is a tool,

I just wanted to clarify that science is not just a tool, the scientific method is a way to explain things with documented evidence.

This reality could be a matrix or a hologram for all we know

Fun fact, some mathematicians think that the "rules" of math are a little too "perfect", causing some to believe that we may be in a computer simulation.

so I think anyone declaring universal truths with 100% certainty is deluding themselves

No scientists is saying with absolution that we live in a computer simulation because there is not enough evidence to sustain that claim.

There is enough lack of evidence to make the claim that magic is not real though.

But if you feel that you have a missing piece of evidence to prove magic then give James Randi a call, he has been debunking magicians, ghost, which craft, ect since the 60s. No one has been able to prove anything yet.

[–]JedYorks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

wait, so you're tellin me I can use black magic to acquire a gf?

[–]asparagustin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. You 'choke a chicken' and eventually one will come along.

[–]SpongeBobSquarePants 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Magic/Witchcraft is most certainly real making it easy to convince you that it doesn't exist.

No the lack of statistically significant evidence has convinced me it doesn't exist. I am open to any evidence you may have that meets the above requirement. Upon examination and verification of said evidence I would be willing to change my mind.

[–]_venkman 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could argue that existence itself is magic

[–]theeophilus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except magic isn't real. If it was real it could be tested.

ever read this?

[–]MordorsFinest -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

magic... come on man.

[–]Christopher_Rofot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew as soon as I saw news of this shooting that there would be the inevitable benefit concert with all the accompanying propaganda. Ariana Grande has been chosen by them for quite a while now to be the new, upcoming fresh face of beta-Kitten MK-Ultra programming that they are grooming, replacing Britney et al.

[–]outtanutmeds 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Her version is irritating. She goes off-key and she tries to sound like a female African-American gospel singer. My point is, I don't get a "magical", "gooey" feeling from her rendition of this song.

Now, Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwoʻole's version of "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is a whole different story. He puts me to sleep most nights, and I literally dream of being somewhere beautiful when I close my eyes and listen to him sing this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I

[–]asparagustin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what she'll look like if she keeps licking them donuts.

[–]the_obscured 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eyes wide shut rainbow connections?

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep. "under the rainbow"

In the novella, the party (which is sparsely attended) uses "Denmark" as the password for entrance; that is significant in that Albertina had her infatuation with her soldier in Denmark. The film's password is "Fidelio", from the Latin word for "faithful", and which is the title of Beethoven's only opera (Fidelio, or Married Love). In early drafts of the screenplay, the password was "Fidelio Rainbow". Jonathan Rosenbaum noted that both passwords echo elements of one member of the couple's behaviour, though in opposite ways. The party in the novella consists mostly of nude ballroom dancing.

In the novella, the woman who "redeems" Fridolin at the party, saving him from punishment, is costumed as a nun, and most of the characters at the party are dressed as nuns or monks; Fridolin himself used a monk costume. This aspect was retained in the film's original screenplay, but was deleted in the filmed version.1

[–]looks_suspicious[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (11子コメント)

[–]got-trunks 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

ok now do you have an explanation for how people selecting a lighthearted sing-song is significant or related to the experiment or are you just r/woahdude over things being used in experiments?

[–]JMV290 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

LSD was once used as part of MKUltra therefore every user of LSD is the subject of government mind control. /s

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Everyone using LSD uses a chemical created by Sandoz on behalf of an Intel agency.

That same agency created MKUltra.

[–]JMV290 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And ARPA created ARPANET and TCP/IP.

Is the internet secretly part of a DoD conspiracy?

NIST created AES.

Many weapons were created on behalf of a contractor for the U.S. Military and civilian versions came after.

At what point are inventions initially created for the government (whether or not part of some secret project) linked to a conspiracy?

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When the government, military and their contractors stop conspiring, these inventions will no longer be conspiratorial.

Is Main Core a conspiracy?

Edit: This looks like a mapped conspiracy. http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/esnet-network-map.jpg

[–]Peacenik-Beatnik 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Have you ever used LSD?.. look at the 60s counterculture it had the opposite effect. They don't always get it right in fact they very often get it wrong but it's only those who have their eyes open who notice.

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have used many mind expanding substances, including LSD-25, psilocybin, mescaline...

Much of the 60's counter culture was controlled/co-opted, inorganic.

Leary was CIA. Owsley acid.

[–]Peacenik-Beatnik 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would you not say it had the reverse effect than possibly predicted on the youth of the 60s and possibly on your self? I find it has the potential to really make people see outside the box

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree these substances can be used as a tool and a weapon. This depends on the individual.

Many of these substances break the traditional corporate/consumerism paradigm preached in the west.

Most of the hippies became yuppies.

[–]ItsAJackOff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check out Inside the LC. The 60's hippy movement was coopted by the intelligence and military industrial complex. It started anti-war and ended with a bunch of qualude addicts and children getting raised by their grandparents. Look at the fruits of the movement.

[–]ItsAJackOff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvoted for the truth? Have an upvote to get back to zero!

[–]Beneficial1 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (23子コメント)

User checks out. :p

Anyway, years ago I hung out at glp, godlikeproductions. Before I knew it was connected to tavistock and all that.

Take it for what it is worth but there was a thread there created by someone claiming to be ariana grandes handler, or psychologist. This was before she was even famous, like 4 years ago. But he popped in to kind of Rub it in in that he was grooming her to be like rihanna.

Lots of karma if anyone has seen it or can link it.

[–]mr_dong 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I haven't read it, seems like a long thread but it's here if anyone is interested - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2945015/pg1

[–]Beneficial1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you!

-edit, thanks for those who fight off the DV's on this. It's a good read , even though the source is always in doubt. The handler knows details about mk and how other celebrities are handled that are important to know. Let me see if it can be archived, the site is full of adware

[–]ItsAJackOff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

archived link? would rather avoid glp. that place gives me the creeps.

[–]Mae-Brussell-Hustler 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, Her half-brother was on US TV show Big Brother in 2014, pushing LGBT and emerging popstar Ariana Grande prior to the release of her 2nd Studio album. Family owns a military communication company - Hose-McCann.

2014: Ariana Grande: 'If you want to call me a diva I’ll say: cool'

An example? ‘Well, I posed in a cute outfit with some kitty ears on and with my middle finger flipped up and posted it on my fan page,’ she says.

Joan Grande runs Hose-McCann Communications, a company established by Grande’s maternal grandfather. ‘They design and manufacture the Marines’ communication equipment – like, [for] the Army and the Navy,’ Grande says proudly.

...

They were building a Kabbalah centre in Florida so we both checked it out and really had a connection with it.’

The Kabbalah movement – Madonna is its most high-profile adherent – ‘sort of stuck with me. And since then my life has unfolded in a really beautiful way, and I think that it has a lot to do with the tools I’ve learnt through Kabbalah, I really do.’

Asked to explain those tools she is hesitant, not to say bashful. But eventually she says that ‘you have to watch your intentions, make sure you’re not giving in to your ego. You have to numb your reactive state. You have the power to change your reality,’ she says, clapping her hands together. ‘You have to take a second and breathe and reassess how you want to approach or react to a situation or approach an obstacle, or deal with a negative person in your space. That takes a lot of self-control and practice and, I guess, willpower,’ she concludes with an embarrassed laugh.

Does her love of horror – and reported belief in demons – co­exist with her spirituality?

‘Um, it does in my world,’ she says, smiling. ‘Do I believe in demons? I believe in unexplained energies.’

2014: Frankie Grande on Big Brother and the Hetero-Homo 'Zankie' Showmance That Had Everyone Talking

But first, it turns out, I interrupt his sister, Ariana Grande, and her team as she preps for her musical guest appearance on that night's season premiere of SNL.

Unsurprisingly, the Grande machine is hard at work, with two celebrity siblings at the center of a formidable team, juggling intense schedules of interviews and appearances. Despite the insanity of the sheer number of people involved, there's a calm in the air that can only come from what everyone appears to be: an enormous extended family doing exactly what they want—and loving every second. Leading this family is Joan Grande, Frankie and Ariana's impressively astute and aware mother—but more on her in a bit.

Victorious TV Show | Nickelodeon

Victorious (stylized as VICTORiOUS) is an American sitcom created by Dan Schneider that originally aired on Nickelodeon from March 27, 2010 to February 2, 2013.

Ariana Grande as Cat Valentine


Ariana Grande released her second studio album, My Everything, on August 25, 2014, with Rolling Stone magazine writing that "My Everything is where the 21-year-old Nickelodeon starlet grows up. It's a confident, intelligent, brazen pop statement, mixing bubblegum diva vocals with EDM break beats"

In mid-2014, Frankie Grande appeared on the US reality television series Big Brother 16

[–]Christopher_Rofot -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

GLP (Godlike Productions) and Above Top Secret boards are Illuminati honeypots to help draw in people that are too smart to accept the official version of events and are searching for more answers. Members there are definitely monitored. Tavistock Institute.

[–]youtoobinallday 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

GLP (Godlike Productions) and Above Top Secret boards are Illuminati honeypots

And /r/conspiracy isn't?

At this point the entire Internet is a surveilled honeypot. Every public fringe/conspiracy board is being heavily watched. Shit on GLP all you want but I've learned a lot from that site, it just has a ton of bullshit to wade through. But I've discussed a lot on GLP from financial derivatives to chemistry/physics all with people who cited real sources and shared serious information. But these people are 1%-2% of the chaos on that board and I've never had that level of indepth conversation on this subreddit. Granted this sub is far less crazy and much more "realistic" so every community has its pros & cons.

No specific conspiracy forum is safe from surveillance or monitoring. Pick your poison and try to keep yourself as anonymous as possible

[–]Christopher_Rofot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, /conspiracy definitely is currently. The difference is that I think Adam Schwartz was sincere in creating a tool for the people to democratize the net, but due to this site's effectiveness, and his refusal to sell-out to corporate media, he was either suicided, or just simply hounded to death so as to do himself in.

Agreed that the entire net is a honeypot now. Also agreed that those 2 sites do have some good info from users, but the mods clearly steer people away from the truth every chance they get so as to result in a thought process like: "See, even the conspiracy-tards on GLP and ABS don't believe this narrative so if you do then you are even crazier than them." It's a tactic to be gatekeepers of information and nudge you off the trail.

[–]outtanutmeds -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

but there was a thread there created by someone claiming to be ariana grandes handler, or psychologist. This was before she was even famous, like 4 years ago.

How come they didn't give her singing lessons? She is just another person of European ancestry trying to sound like a female African-American Gospel singer.

[–]Probably_Important 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

She is just another person of European ancestry trying to sound like a female African-American Gospel singer.

What does that have to do with literally anything

[–]outtanutmeds -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You'd think they would mesmerize the audience with a version like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I

[–]Probably_Important 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

And?

[–]outtanutmeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Do you think the government would waste its time "grooming" her? She is of the "cookie cutter" variety. I love a good conspiracy, but please, give me something I can bite into; something believable.

[–]Probably_Important 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No I don't think the government would waste time 'grooming' her. I think the whole 'ritual symbolism in pop music' is among the dumbest of dumb conspiracies.

[–]Beneficial1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow are you naive for a conspiracy theorist

http://www.whale.to/b/symbols_h.html

[–]asparagustin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you scroll to the bottom of this article there's a vagina. Just saying.

[–]Probably_Important 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, I am naive because I don't believe in satanic magic. Whereas you somehow stepped out of the 16th century and learned how to use a computer.

[–]Beneficial1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are naive not because you don't believe, but because you think others don't.

[–]_venkman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Devil's advocate: regardless of whether or not Grande is actually talented, let's assume for a moment that she isn't, at least not by your standard. The fact remains that she is incredibly successful. So why would she take singing lessons when clearly your version of talent isn't needed for career success?

[–]mearshall 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The next miley cirus.

[–]DinduMuffins69 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why can't the MKUltra get singers with real talent?

[–]TedCruzGoblinLord 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That bitch can hit some high notes.

[–]Tacofangirl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her song came on the radio while I was driving and I thought I ran over a cat.

[–]AssistedSuicideSquad 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I was at a wedding yesterday and as the bride and groom left they played the same song! Monarch confirmed!

[–]Rocketeer7 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you look around and see everybody responding to CNN like sheep, this MK Ultra stuff does not sound out of the ordinary. If I were in the intelligence community I'd do the same type of stuff.

[–]_venkman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Unless the bride and groom were mega celebrities that were also involved in a terror attack then that's obviously not the same. No one is saying that there's anything hinky just because that song is being played.

[–]minesweep4eva 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

That is exactly what they are saying!

[–]_venkman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's not at all what anyone is saying. They're saying that it is suspicious in light of it being in direct response to a recent terror attack which may have been a false flag. Not remotely the same as it being played at that dude's friends' wedding.

[–]minesweep4eva 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

By extension you should be equally as suspicious of the friends marriage. It may be a false flag. Who was invited to the wedding and why? Was that song played innocently or for clandestine reasons?

If you are not equally suspicious of this I have no choice but to question your motives. That is the logical conclusion and shows why this whole line of reasoning is dubious.

'May have been a false flag' leads you down a path of jumping to conclusions without evidence.

[–]_venkman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

A) Over the Rainbow is a gorgeous song that is deeply embedded in our culture, was written for a wonderfully film with innocent meaning, and has been covered many times by talented musicians

B) Over the Rainbow and the wizard of Oz were also used in mk ultra programming

Due to A, the song is used at many events such as weddings. This would be true regardless of B.

Due to B, in extremely rare cases where the song is used under circumstances that may already have indication of deeper foul play, such as terrorist attacks that are used to justify authoritarian agendas, this song may in these specific cases have a secondary esoteric meaning

I do not know how to make it clearer. I do not find these statements to be mutually exclusive. I do not understand why you think that OP or anyone else is incapable of believing both of these things simultaneously.

Edit: also, a wedding can't be a false flag... That doesn't even make any sense!!!

[–]minesweep4eva -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you insane!! Why can't a wedding be false and put together for the real esoteric reason of putting a bunch of people in the same room and then forcing them to hear the magical over the rainbow MK Ultra mind control song.

Who are you working for??

[–]_venkman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So you don't actually have any response to what OP is talking about, and decided to invent a straw man argument to make fun of instead... Curious.

[–]minesweep4eva 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am responding to your comment that the song can't be used for suspicious purposes at a wedding.

If you can believe that it can be used for suspicious reasons at a concert then why not at a wedding??

Your position is ludicrous.

Let me put an idea to you that you already raised. Is it all possible that it's a nice song and that's why it was sung at a gig to raise money and pay tribute to victims of an attack.

As for the OP, go up to the first comment and links and you will see that their position (myth) was already dispelled.

Edit: turns out you are the one that provided the links showing that it isn't a mind control song.

[–]_venkman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you can believe that it can be used for suspicious reasons at a concert then why not at a wedding??

It absolutely could be. Were that wedding high profile, between people with household names, and was interrupted by a terrorist attack that was then used by the government to push Orwellian legislation, then under those circumstances I might also find the use of that song suspicious at the wedding. Under those other circumstances. That seems to be the part you're not getting.

Let me put an idea to you that you already raised. Is it all possible that it's a nice song and that's why it was sung at a gig to raise money and pay tribute to victims of an attack.

That's absolutely possible.

As for the OP, go up to the first comment and links and you will see that their position (myth) was already dispelled.

I'm not seeing anything being dispelled anywhere. Regardless, that wouldn't change the fact that the guy bringing up the wedding is failing to comprehend the part about the surrounding circumstances being relevant

[–]uncleleo_hello 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sounds like they're definitely part of the deep dark illuminati. was there goat blood in the punch bowl?

[–]looks_suspicious[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Straw-man fallacy. Obviously no one thinks that literally every use of this song must be related to MK Ultra. But it's a lot easier to pretend that that's what people believe and mock that instead.

That aside, congrats and best of luck to your friends! That is an exciting step in life.

[–]ponerologist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watch her career skyrocket now.

[–]marshroanoke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sometimes a rose is just a rose

[–]LunchNap [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, what an odd choice. I'm not sure how that subject matter of this song would be relevant. I concurs, secondary meaning confirmed.

[–]brotherjonathan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does that mean Izzy was head of the Hawaiian Illuminati?

[–]looks_suspicious[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you're misunderstanding why this caught my attention. Were it not for the surrounding events I would not find anything suspicous about this.