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[–]10art1left-libertarian 284 ポイント285 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't care for sex. The government fucks me every day.

[–]Ulaer 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is a better joke.

[–]general_nuisance 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And if you're self-employed, you'll get spit roasted.

[–]10art1left-libertarian 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm both employed by the government AND self-employed at the same time. I'm getting it in all 3 holes.

[–]xveganroxLibertarian socialist 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

144 upvotes

OP has 1233 upvotes

Sorry folks, the invisible hand of the free market has decided that this is not in fact the better joke.

[–]Always_ssj 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What am I even supposed to do? Vote for the democrat who's going to blast me in the ass or the republican who's blasting my ass?!

[–]Aeternalis_Centrist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And takes your money after while having prostitution banned. Ironic.

[–]DrunkBicyclist 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Libertarians want the community to decide what is best for themselves rather than having a central government tell them what to do.

True to this ideal, this community can not decide if it likes shitposts or hates them, and every post that's a "dank meme" sparks massive, passionate debate. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

[–]Pinakanakapagpapabag 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Easily, the best comment in this thread.

[–]MangalzRational Party 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the memes. I mean they are terrible memes, but they bring people here to talk about things which is good.

[–]AemonDK 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

how do libertarians account for the fact that humans are stupid?

[–]DaYoopervoluntaryist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

So if humans are stupid, why do they get to elect a select few people to run our lives?

[–]AemonDK 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

  1. I don't mean that all humans are stupid

  2. it's a shit system but it's the best we have

[–]DaYoopervoluntaryist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

And yet here we are with President Trump...

[–]AemonDK 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

trump is just proof that it's a shit system

[–]ElvisIsReal 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's sort of our point. Since it's a shit system, maybe let's not allow one stupid person to rule over the rest of us.

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      [–]I_Nut_In_Butts 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I have a question then. And I mean this as a serious one because I'm genuinely curious, but if our taxes only contributed to our community's, let's say a county or something, you would obviously see your tax dollars be put to great use and you would get to see physical results which is awesome. But what about smaller communities or not so wealthy ones? Let's say a county near NYC vs a county in the Deep woods of southern Louisiana? Wouldn't that just segregate the US and create an even bigger economic divide? Richer/more populated communities thrive and the smaller/less wealthy ones remain in shambles? I don't even know if that's what you mean but you sparked the thought in my head and was curious about what this sub thought about that.

      [–]injifment 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The first point is that redistributing won't solve the problem, it won't turn rural Louisiana into NYC.

      Second, take Morgantown, WV, the home of West Virginia Univeristy. It actually benefits from neighboring states being more rich, and thus more expensive. It attracts a lot of students and faculty from VA, Maryland, and the Northeast because its so much cheaper. Tuition is cheaper and cost of living is cheaper. Universities are also some of the only places in the state where you'll see prosperity. So the answer is to let NYC and California be rich and productive because inherently prices will rise. They'll also tax their people at high rates, and then places like Texas and Florida, which have no income tax, will attract people.

      [–]DrunkBicyclist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That isn't really what I was talking about but I will try to answer your question anyways.

      The more spending that occurs at a local level, the more efficient you are going to see that spending be. Think of it this way: A farmer in rural Kansas has no idea what issues the government needs to tackle in downtown LA - and vice versa. They're completely different beasts. When your community has its spending dictated to it by an unrelated community that holds a majority (such as the big cities), there will always be a disconnect. There are some things that will ultimately require federal spending just because one area is poorer, but you want to minimize that as much as possible.

      This of course works all the way down to the personal level. You are the only one who knows what is best for you. If you do or don't want to spend money on health insurance, smoke a doob, buy a gun, that's up to you. However, some things like the police department, fire department, road work, etc. just cannot be handled on the individual level, so that's where government is allowed to organize those public services. Even still you want to minimize that as much as possible; the farther away the spending gets from the individual, the more likely it is to be wasteful.

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        [–]Shaveman 149 ポイント150 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        r/justneckbeardthings

        [–]RedBloodedMeatEater 364 ポイント365 ポイント  (122子コメント)

        What the fuck is this garbage?

        [–]atalkingfish 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I can’t speak for everyone, but I find this post to be a sarcastically humorous joke and not serious at all.

        [–]mikl81socialist 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Same here, got a good chuckle out of it. But this sub has had an overall trend towards stupid memes though which I think is what the reaction is about.

        [–]Finn_Windu 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If only there was a sub called r/libertarianmeme where people could post these things.

        [–]Kommandanter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Oh my fuck there is. Your sarcasm is Golden, sir.

        [–]piglizard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's because the average user here is in high school.

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            [–]john2kxx 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            /r/libertarianmeme <--- you're looking for this, OP.

            [–]noodles123 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (45子コメント)

            I don't understand why so many people crap on libertarians in the libertarian subreddit. Even this post that people are throwing a fit about can spark a pretty good political discussion. Instead of that, people are just insulting the poster and libertarians. I also don't understand why the majority of reddit seems to hate on libertarians?

            [–]X_Codylibertarian party 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (34子コメント)

            Because most of reddits are Marxist socialistic idiots. Opposing ideas are literally painful to hear. I wonder how this post even came up on /r/all to be honest.

            [–]MUGIWARApirate 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (24子コメント)

            No.

            Most of us are somewhere in the middle and think the marxist socialists and libertarians are both idiots.

            [–]CycloneSweep 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Yeah most of us disagree with. "Taxes are theft and taken at gunpoint and" we also disagree with "Everything for everyone should be free!"

            [–]MrChurchSir 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            The opinion that everyone has a right to a basic level of healthcare is hardly demanding the undoing of capitalism.

            [–]CycloneSweep 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Dude I'm Canadian I agree about healthcare

            [–]jeremiahs_bullfroggreen libertarian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (17子コメント)

            Somewhere in the middle is a huge spectrum. You can at least agree that most of Reddit believes that more government is better, right? As long as someone else is paying, they want government to provide as much as possible.

            [–]MUGIWARApirate 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I haven't had enough coffee to really get into this because it isn't a 2d subject.

            But basically I think that most people think responsible and accountable government is better. I think in the mind of a Libertarian that equates to small government. I'm of the the opinion that small government is just as easily corruptible as a larger government. That does NOT mean I am an advocate for BIG government.

            I can't speak for everyone but I am happy to pay my fair share. I just want mega corporations and billionaires to be held accountable for paying their fair share as well. I am also an advocate for social safety nets to protect people who have fallen on hard times.

            [–]DaYoopervoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            responsible and accountable government is better

            This will never happen in America

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              [–]Vapodaca17 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              No I can't agree. Legit there is no data to back that up and the only people you've seen probably doesn't even cover 1% of the reddit population

              [–]PoLS_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              It is my understanding that most people who want more provided to the people by public institutions know that those will cost them money in the form of taxes.

              [–]Billee_Boyee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              I believe you overestimate the intellect of the mass of voters. Most believe in taxing others, yet receiving the benefits themselves.

              [–]PoLS_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              And many believe in being taxed so that others may benefit.

              [–]DaYoopervoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              When half the country doesn't pay federal income tax, it's more about the benefits that they receive.

              [–]PoLS_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Yes I believe that if you have 2 kids and make under 80,000 per year jointly you get all your federal income tax back at the end of the year. Something close to that.

              [–]DaYoopervoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I was making the point that half the country will vote for more benefits, without having to pay anything themselves.

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                [–]jeremiahs_bullfroggreen libertarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Here's an article about party affiliation by income level, which shows that the more you make (in other words, the more you pay in taxes), the more likely you are to vote Republican. Here's an article about food stamp recipients, which shows that Democrats have used food stamps to a greater degree than Republicans. I can go on, but it should be pretty obvious that people vote for whatever brings them the most benefit.

                Yes, there may be individuals who don't act in their best interest, but overwhelmingly people vote selfishly.

                [–]MADXT1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Exactly. Everything in the world requires some kind of balance. Nearly all popular political views have good points to make; it's when you take ideas to extremes that they become stupid, worthless, and impractical.

                Anyone that sees taxes as theft is being ridiculous. Wealth accumulation and distribution is highly unbalanced due to technology and corporations. Labour work and most other minimum wage jobs won't even exist in the first world in a decade or two because of automation and the increased efficiency of machines. A system to establish a minimum of redistribution of wealth for the betterment of society (and to further educate people so they can do the more complex or creative jobs that are left) is common sense.

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                  [–]Plutonium_man 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Opposing ideas are literally painful to hear

                  Calls those with opposing ideas Marxist socialistic idiots

                  Meanwhile, I've learned to do some pretty fucking rad science using the government assistance you hate so much. Without that money I'd be fusing patties to buns instead of fusing nuclei. But only the rich should have the privilege to learn, right?

                  [–]wellshire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That government supported science is why we've deluded the country away from Jesus. Working that burger job would've brought you closer to God

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                    [–]PoLS_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Shouldn't your last sentence be used as evidence to counter your first? Instead you just dismiss it as a fluke, yet /r/libertarian makes it to the top 100 quite frequently. In fact Libertarian was the largest right side political ideology in Reddit pre-Trump.

                    [–]Toothspitignorant 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    In fact Libertarian was the largest right side political ideology in Reddit pre-Trump.

                    To be clear, we're not right-wing. We have a right wing, and a left wing. Libertarianism is not inherently conservative, and neither are libertarians.

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                      [–]fpssledge 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Ultimately reddit (most of the modern world) is predominantly leftist or loves govt. When they find out libertarians see govt as ultimately antithetical to liberty, they withdraw empathy towards libertarians. To be fair, it takes courage - or weirdos - to go against social norms.

                      [–]Crustice_is_Served 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I don't like libertarians because I like driving on roads and getting paid in money instead of company script.

                      [–]Toothspitignorant 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      The hell does driving and money have to do with libertarianism?

                      [–]long_meats 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's because this sub doesn't censor and ban users with differing view points unlike the other big political ones.

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                        [–]newscode 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (37子コメント)

                        I miss when this subreddit actually had substance. I'm really tempted to unsub at this point. It's just trash and the moderators are doing a shit job of keeping the posts on topic.

                        [–]Mucus_McCain 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        I don't really blame the mods. They take a really hands off approach, and letting the users decide for most things, which is really rare for a sub nowadays. Granted,I fucking hate the low effort memes as much as the next guy, but if they start dictating what you can and can't post, how will that be any different from the heavily moderated subs?

                        [–]CycloneSweep 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        This sub is how a libertarian nation would be. Government and authorities hands off and let the people decide and it leads to a lot of trash lol

                        [–]Wierd_Carissa 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yeah, there's some delicious irony in this sub being simultaneously (a) so unregulated and (b) such garbage.

                        [–]_cianuro_ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        you think this is trash? havvvve you met r/politics? thats a democrat nation. blind, incessant, intolerant, without a hint of self reflection

                        also, Libertarians arent populist and this medium is strictly populist

                        [–]the_real_Mark_Watneyex-libertarian who doesn't know wtf he is now 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        This sub is how a libertarian nation would be.

                        Which is a great example of why I no longer consider myself a libertarian. Takes a good idea too far/rigidly and it becomes self-destructive.

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                          [–]Zargabraath 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          It's almost like the hands off approach doesn't work in regulating even a small online community, let alone society ...oh wait, lol

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                            [–]havestronaut 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            If the mods were heavily enforcing in a libertarian sub, the irony would be pretty funny.

                            [–]DaYoopervoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You can be authoritarian with your own property. Mods are not the government.

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                              [–]PaulieRoastBeef 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              66% upvoted this post, it's the tyranny of the majority!

                              [–]newscode 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              What are you trying to say?

                              [–]Generic_On_Reddit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              This is what's wrong with first past the post frontpage.

                              [–]tonymaric 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              moderators are doing a shit job of keeping the posts on topic

                              moderators are doing a shit job letting Libertarians do what they want

                              [–]SpydiggityNeo-Con...Liberal...What's the difference? 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Well, if we didn't have the majority of people constantly shitting on every post, maybe we could spark a real discussion. Instead, every time a picture with words on it is posted, a bunch of socialists say "wtf is this?" and then a bunch of conformists who believe they are libertarian follow suit.

                              Just use the content that is provided to spark a discussion or don't say anything.

                              [–]vivere_aut_mori 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Exactly. The only thing people who bitch about quality contribute is bitching. If they want an actual discussion, they should start one. They don't, because they aren't interested. They're just dolts from r/all who want to get cheap comment karma with "lol libertarians are stupid" shitposts. I've tried to have discussions with them, and all I get is downvotes and silence. It's annoying. It's kind of a testament to Hoppe's ideas, honestly.

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                                [–]Ashlir/r/LibertarianCA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                If you want lack of choice and to be told what is right and wrong. Then how are you even Libertarian in the slightest?

                                [–]Zargabraath 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Are you saying the moderators should use more....coercive enforcement?

                                Lol, the irony

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                                  [–]RightWingReject 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                  Libertarians are such whinny bitches.

                                  [–]noodles123 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                  Then why are you on the libertarian subreddit

                                  [–]OneBlueAstronaut 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Personally I come in from /r/all to watch you all bicker and discuss the downfall of the sub.

                                  [–]cakeisneat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  to make fun of whiny bitches, obviously.

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                                    [–]AreTacosCats 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    On this sub I agree

                                    [–]atalkingfish 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    And this comment is you... not whining?

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                                      [–]TheAcaciaStrain93 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      r/im14andthisisdeep

                                      [–]pastorignis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      TFW i am taking a walk on a public sidewalk paid for with my tax money while i complain about taxes being theft.

                                      id tell you to walk out into the middle of traffic, but you would have to use a public road paid for with your taxes lol.

                                      [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Lol this guy's never heard of private roads before

                                      [–]prostate-apostate 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Am sure that you are willing to fork over 1 $ every few miles . Also what are you going to do in between those private roads .

                                      [–]myth1218 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                      So... the government stole your money to pay for that concrete paved pathway, grass, and planted street trees? What dicks! Fuck roads. Fuck landscape. Fuck walkways. Those big fat cats are just the worst!

                                      [–]nickiterhayekian, i guess 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      If I only had to pay enough taxes to cover roads, sidewalks, and landscaping, I wouldn't complain at all.

                                      [–]piglizard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Then quit arguing taxes are theft and argue for cutting wasteful spending out of government.

                                      [–]_cianuro_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      your inability to see solutions to all that beyond your nanny state is disheartening to say the least. also, the govt contracts all that right back to business (corruptly) - then business actually does those things - so theyre merely an EXPENSIVE middleman by definition, at best. all the while they bomb innocent women and children, funerals, weddings, etc. and it doesnt even ding their massive excesses

                                      [–]LeTightButtHole 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

                                      [–]DemosthenesKey 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      But more seriously: libraries do not, and kind of never have, turned an effective profit. I consider them vital for a community - they inspired a love of reading in me that pretty much made me who I am. I think there are some things that just shouldn't be for profit. That doesn't mean everything, I am very fucking far from a socialist, but still. How do libraries work under libertarianism? Do we just rely on cities having rich philanthropists that decide to institute them?

                                      [–]DemosthenesKey 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I like libraries, thanks. I actually quite like roads that don't have to turn a profit, too.

                                      [–]jeremiahs_bullfroggreen libertarian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Are you saying that such a street couldn't exist if the government didn't provide it?

                                      [–]piglizard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      I'd rather not pay $10 to get out of my neighborhood.

                                      [–]Ashlir/r/LibertarianCA -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                      This is like saying rape is good as long as someone gets a baby out of the deal.

                                      [–]myth1218 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                      Wow.

                                      [–]SomeCalcium 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Are you comparing paying your taxes to rape? Do you have PTSD from the last time you looked at your pay stub?

                                      [–]traibanh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      So tax is theft or rape? Make up your mind

                                      [–]vivere_aut_mori 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I mean, you aren't wrong...they're saying a morally evil thing becomes okay because they like a result of it. They just don't like it when you cross apply that logic to other things.

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                                        [–]skwishems 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                        Sorry im new here, how do we pay for the roads, police, fresh water, etc. without taxes? Privatizing everything sounds blatantly stupid?

                                        [–]goose206 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        There's a middle ground.

                                        [–]jeremiahs_bullfroggreen libertarian 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        Few libertarians want to privatize everything (those would be ancaps, and they're definitely fringe), and most think that charging based on use of a better model, even if government is the one collecting the check and organizing things.

                                        For example, you pay for water based on how much you use, do why not roads? Roads should probably be mostly funded by vehicle registration taxes based on mileage (minus miles driven on private property) with tolls being used on highways. That way the people that use the most resources pay the most.

                                        Doing this for police is a little more difficult, so I think that it should be funded with sales taxes, since much of what they do is to protect free trade.

                                        [–]skwishems 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        This is the best response so far, when you see so much "NO TAXES" stuff it just polarizes people against libertarians, but this is a really smart way to look a the issue

                                        [–]jeremiahs_bullfroggreen libertarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Unfortunately "force the government to play by the same rules as the free market" isn't as nice of a tag line as "taxation is theft", and kids these days like their edgy one liners.

                                        [–]piglizard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        But memes like this make the majority of libertarians on this sub look like extreme ancaps and turn off people to any good ideas

                                        [–]traibanh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        For example, you pay for water based on how much you use, do why not roads?

                                        So who pay to build the infrastructure to deliver the water, catch the water, filter the water, etc.

                                        You're confused between variable cost (water usages) and fixed cost (infrastructure)

                                        [–]jeremiahs_bullfroggreen libertarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        That makes sense for water (and you're charged a flat rate for maintenance plus a variable rate based on usage), but not for roads (the more cars there are, the more damage they do to the roads). What I'm saying is that a rate based on income makes little sense for most services since benefit is not tied to income.

                                        Road expenses should be based on how much they're used, which roughly corresponds to how much work they need.

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                                        [–]skwishems 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        That is an amazing subreddit thank you

                                        [–]PitaJ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        It's complicated. I think there are some links in the sidebar but look up "stateless society" there are some good YouTube videos.

                                        [–]piglizard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        But then why hasn't a society like that been successful and been able to compete with our modern ones?

                                        [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        With a credit card... Why's that so mind-boggling?

                                        [–]Ashlir/r/LibertarianCA -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Thats just your conditioning and years of public school speaking. Keep going down the rabbit hole and you will realize one size fits all, doesnt fit all.

                                        [–]Risay117 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Really that far into the libertarian hole, I always found those who believed in ideologies to a fault to be the true dreamers, as no society cannot exist without central planning. I mean the only nations or groups that were truly libertarian are primitive tribal communities or failed states like Somalia.

                                        Libertarian has some good ideas but like medication when used at a high dosage only leads to unfavourable results.

                                        Sooner or later you replace the government with a corporate monopoly or dictatorship. Personally prefer the evil you know than the evil you don't know, actually we have seen how deregulation and no rules work, it's the very reason we ended up with monopoly laws and the EPA.

                                        [–]Pre-calculus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Now we're talking. A legit point with a claim, evidence AND analysis. u/Ashlir literally just dropped an ad hominem attack on u/skwishem, by blindly assuming he got "brainwash by public school." For all we know, skwishem coulda went to a private school. What's worst is that Ashlir provides no counter argument on how we would get roads and other essentials if we don't have taxes. Good on you for turning this into an actual debate!

                                        [–]_IAlwaysLie 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Taxes are the costs of a civilized nation reeeeeee

                                        [–]RoboCop-A-Feel 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Absolute garbage post. 1/10. A pox upon you.

                                        [–]ultimatefighting 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Awwwww shit.

                                        [–]stamstergios 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Damn, she woke af.

                                        [–]Black47eleven 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        the government gave me a Dirty Sanchez and all i got was this lousy T-shirt (that i had to pay tax on)

                                        [–]BitBuyABuck 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I think you have been misguided, let me try to explain. When you use the word "exchange" it implies a voluntary or mutually beneficial transaction. That may be how you feel but don't assume everyone does (raises hand because I don't). Also, any idea what percentage of taxes goes to infrastructure you use and your friendly neighborhood cop? Better question: how much of your taxes go to things that you do NOT support? War, war on drugs, overinflated government pensions, federal reserve loans, corporate bailouts, foreign aid, militarization of police, redistribution of wealth.... Also, the fallacy that I have to pay to play as it were: as long as I occupy space in the US territory, I am obligated to pay taxes because I use the services that I did not ask for. Besides the fact that it still does not make it right, the obligation is even worse in reality. I live in Mexico, but because I am a US citizen I am obligated to pay taxes to the US, even though I don't use any of the services.
                                        Am I angry? No. but I am impatient at times. I realize not everyone is at the same point in their journey for truth in terms of our relationship to government. I urge you to open your mind, think critically, but don't make the mistake of thinking that taxes are a good thing or that they are necessary for the "common good" (whatever that means).

                                        [–]Kumdogmillionaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Genuine question. How is taxation theft, when your taxes go to a military, infrastructure, and many other programs that for any decently large nation would be near impossible to have executed through private means and with checks and balances to keep those things from becoming too powerful with no government entity to enforce rule of law?

                                        [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Why do you assume it would be impossible to do peacefully?

                                        [–]cast9898 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Those taxes pay for roads. Do you like driving?

                                        [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        "If the government doesn't do it, nobody will"

                                        [–]jerdub1993 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Ok I consider myself a Conservative Libertarian but I also think taxes are definitely necessary. Does that make me not Libertarian?

                                        [–]wh33t 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Labels... meh.

                                        [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Unless you can show that consent of the governed exists, supporting theft is immoral.

                                        [–]jerdub1993 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I feel like that's a requirement to living under any modern government. Would you prefer everybody sign an agreement form before they can become citizens?

                                        [–]truthie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's only theft if he lives in a system of his own creation and then an outsider profits from his labour. Can you name such a place?

                                        [–]swageli12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        You guys are fucking idiots

                                        [–]MythoclastByXur 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Yes that's also called gay.

                                        [–]ISwearICanExplainStand With Rand 2020 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Can /r/Libertarian stop with the low-effort and cringy normie memes?

                                        Make /r/Libertarian Dank Again!

                                        Edit: and plus this is a repost.

                                        [–]Ashlir/r/LibertarianCA 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I like the honesty. Calling things what they are helps to foster better discussion.

                                        [–]OneBlueAstronaut 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        I fucking love this sub because every time I see it on /r/all, without fail, the comments are all talking about how retarded the post is. Makes me feel like not all conservatives are t_d-tier mouth breathers.

                                        [–]blbrd30 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        You people are dumb

                                        [–]schattenteufel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Taxation isn't theft. Using public resources & services without paying for them with taxes is theft.

                                        [–]Ashlir/r/LibertarianCA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        User fees accomplish the same goal and only charge those who use the good. It also treats each person equally, no progressive pricing on Big Macs everyone pays the same price, unless you want extra features on your burger. Bonus points if you are allowed to choose competing options.

                                        [–]Toothspitignorant -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        David Hume, Of the Original Contract. No.

                                        Using public resources & services without paying for them with taxes is theft.

                                        That's nonsense, then everyone without a job is a thief.

                                        [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The "public resources" can only exist after the money is stolen to pay for them, they aren't brought forth magically and then people are charged for them.

                                        [–]DaYoopervoluntaryist -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        So welfare is theft by your definition yeah?

                                        [–]Not-A-Comic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Hope you don't like walking on sidewalks, paved roads, or public parks.

                                        [–]Zargabraath 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        As someone from r/all, this is why people think libertarians are a joke.

                                        Every single time I see something in r/all from this sub it's cringeworthy garbage like this.

                                        [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        You seem pretty upset about your immoral support for theft.

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                                          [–]God-is-the-Greatest 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Go to Somalia. There's no "theft".

                                          [–]RPrevolutionvoluntaryist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          • Somalia

                                          • Who will build the roads

                                          • Price we pay for a civilized society

                                          [–]alfredSss -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This could be the worst thing I've seen on reddit

                                          [–]LoudMusic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I'd settle for sex and a chocolate peanut butter cup.

                                          [–]I_am_Phaedrus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          My poor wife

                                          [–]ItsBabySheep 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I have to say, I appreciate just how hands off the mods here seem to be. At least they're actually adhering to libertarian standards....

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