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The Millennial Generation are the most politically informed generation so far in human history. The establishment can't handle it. (self.unitedkingdom)

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In the aftermath of the Tories disastrous election result the establishment, Murdoch media and (to a certain extent) the older Tory demographic are coming up with excuses as to why things went so wrong. So they have come out with gems such as young people getting bribed for voting for policies that appeal to them and that it's Corbyn's fault for being too popular. Wut?

They got it served to them by a generation they derided as snowflakes or apathetics who in fact proved relatively immune to their propaganda. The Millennials know their place in the world and why things are the way they are and they wanted solutions. They are the Internet generation with access to any information they need and they used that to see through establishment deception.

Most are also, despite what you've been told, actually very well educated and are used to thinking with reason rather than with emotion. This has just broke the Murdoch machine, the Daily Mail simply can't handle it. Who are these Millennials and their reasonableness?! Why can't we indoctrinate them?! Stop being so popular Corbyn!

It burns them. They're melting.

So well done young people, keep reading and keep seeking knowledge for it brings power.

EXTRA: This is not to say that older people didn't wake up a vote for Corbyn as well. Many are old enough to remember the pain Thatcher's government inflicted on there communities and are as cynical of the Tory agenda as younger voters are. Many older voters were horrified by such monstrous policies are the 'dementia tax' and repealing the triple lock on pensions and were not convinced these policies were necessary. Some may have been thinking of future generations also when they cast their vote.

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[–]brikdik 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's because traditional print media is dying. "The Sun wot won it" is not a headline that's likely to be ever repeated. The monopoly of information - what candidates are saying, what they stand for, what to think about them - is no longer the sole domain of Fleet Street.

You can engage directly with politicians, and hear their message unfiltered. This is powerful.

And they know it. Owners know it. Shareholders know it. The City knows it.

However, it's always dangerous to assume that only values you agree with will propagate in this new environment.

The internet and social media allows, more than ever, people with similar values to find one another. In the past, what might've been one brooding person with anti-establishment ideas stewing in their room, now has the capability to reach thousands or millions of people that agree with them around the globe.

This is how the Arab Spring revolutions kicked off. This is how Bernie and Trump surged in popularity. It's how Brexit happened. It definitely had an effect with Corbyn.

What we must always be wary of is co-ordinated manipulation of this messaging to drive a hidden agenda - people like those Cambridge Analytica cunts.

This is the real reason Theresa May is forging ahead with her "control the internet" laws. It's the most powerful tool in human history, aside from maybe religion, in controlling what people think.

The thought of governments and media corporations not being able to be the puppetmasters here must be frightening for them.

Keeping an open and free internet will be one of the biggest challenges in the next decade.

[–]ShooblyGoobly 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There is a flip-side to this. The young aren't getting information from a handful of media outlets but they are getting there information, by and large, from social media. A lot of these social media platforms can be giant echo-chambers where facts are diluted to fit a narrative. Also, these social media services primarily make their money from advertisement. Targeted political adverts is a huge thing now meaning those with the biggest pockets will always have an edge in politics.

[–]_dpkDeutschland (orig. Lancashire) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is why we need to ban this crap like we banned political advertising on TV. No place for it in an informed and balanced debate.

[–]brikdik 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. That's what I was trying to allude to - it allows people to find each other with similar views and reinforce it amongst their community. If someone feels they're not alone, the pressure to conform and social stigma of holding an extreme view is massively diminished.

In the case of campaigns, it lets political marketers find people who are most susceptible to their views.

It's just a logical evolution of targeting visitors to sell products. Only now they want your vote and your money.

[–]InfoSecsUnited Kingdom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are correct, but these echo chambers are nothing compared to what the average person in the 1980s was exposed to. It's not that echo chambers are new - it's that they are being exposed for the first time.

[–]Homo_Culus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

From what I heard from an Egyptian journalist I went to see a few years back, the Arab Spring was not started from Twitter. That was the media trying to push a narrative. Time Warner apparently asked her to go back and interview younger people who were on twitter for a piece she wrote, because the representative demographic she had used in her original piece was 'too old.'

Regardless, it certainly wasn't a progressive revolution in any sense of the word when you had women protesters getting molested by big groups of men in Tahrir Square. No LGBT presence whatsoever either. It was socialism and democracy with a very, very small s and d.

The Arab Spring was just the same old Muslim Brotherhood protest that happens every couple of decades. And it worked for some time.

[–]brikdik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the Arab Spring was not started from Twitter

I agree. The seeds of organised opposition to Hosni Mubarak began long before Mohamed Bouazizi self-immolated in Tunisia.

Some of these were student movements. Some formed by Egyptian ex-pats. Some were indeed the Muslim Brotherhood.

It's difficult to pin down when and where a revolution begins in any case.

What social media allowed was for these disparate groups who shared the same view - that Hosni Mubarak must leave office - to find each other and organise, for example in the Day of Rage protests.

Mubarak sowed the seeds of his own downfall in a way. Technological progress and massive increases in internet access among a burgeoning, educated middle class and a restless "youth bulge" as a result of decreasing infant mortality rates all came to a head at the wrong time for him.

That different groups co-opted the revolution to be seen as the legitimate opposition, is no surprise. The victimisation in Tahir Square was also rife, but thankfully it was no where near as violent as, say, the Libyan Revolution.

Of course, all of this is a massive simplification. I wrote on this as part of my Masters thesis on revolution using the Arab Spring movements as case studies.

[–]InfoSecsUnited Kingdom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Very well said.

It will be a challenge, but all stories need conflict, else they would just be a description. The internet has had an unbelievably easy ride into dominance with little opposition until now, and its inherent characteristics mean that it is incredibly difficult to either centralise of control.

We are seeing the death throes of an establishment that knows it does not have the skills or intelligence to survive in a technocratic society.

[–]boxhacker 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have to point out, that even though I voted for labour, most of the posts and responses I see on Reddit show that people are not very informed at all.

[–]hu6Bi5To 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Indeed, the amount of anti-Tory fake news is also very high. That doesn't count as "informed" either.

E.g. over on /r/worldnews is a comment at +4000 points and gilded several times saying that Theresa May has promised to ban GitHub. She's promised no such thing, or even promised anything like it.

"Hey, guess what, the Tories are in-bed with US Big Healthcare, ZOMG!" is not being "politically informed".

[–]boxhacker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When the hive mind decides something, obey or else!

[–]Big_Chief_Wah_Wah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Informed does not always mean correctly informed!

[–]throwaway44848 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its funny, I was speaking to my dad, who voted for May, and asked him why.

"Hmpf!" He said. "Corbyn is a wet lettuce, we need someone strong"

Then he asked why me and all the other young folks decided to vote for Corbyn and cause all these issues we now have

"Well first of all you've seen the tution fees I'm having to pay" I reply.

"Yea they are high, much higher than I thought with the interest rates they charge". He admitted.

"And then nobody my age can afford a mortage because all of the houses have been bought and rented out by your generation".

He then laughed before exclaiming "true."

"And then there is the regulation of the internet, the issues around NHS".

He finally said; "you do have a point"

So I asked him why he didn't vote for Corbyn instead? He couldn't give me a reason. It just 'didn't feel right'.

[–]BurnedRopeTyne and Wear 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why May has such a lady boner for controlling the information readily available online.

[–]OpenUp-ItsThePigs 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The establishment can handle it, Cambridge Analytica for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

Don't get too complacent.

The Daily Heil is still the most visited English-language newspaper website in the world.

[–]Coupaholic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Indeed. The Tories may be out of touch, and have a Luddite attitude to modern times - but their marketers, campaigners and quite a few members certainly aren't.

Their classic love for soundclips translate well online. I see plenty of enthusiastic Tories spamming copypasta pro-Tory stuff all the time on FB. Speaking of which, it wasn't long ago that it was revealed how much the Tories spent on targeted advertising on FB. Memory is hazy but I'm sure it was in the millions.

[–]wherearemyfeetBedfordshire 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jesus fucking Christ I had to check we weren't in /r/sandersforpresident or /r/wayofthebern for a second. This is the most circle-jerky thing I've read all day.

[–]ThyrotoxicWales [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So cringy. This sub is hilarious.

[–]RektSquaredStevenage is a shithole [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You been on r/the_donald recently?

[–]toma0910 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

well TD is a subreddit supporting a politician and this subreddit is meant to be related to British matters not politics

[–]Hymen_Destroyer_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Would also just like to point out:

1) the turnout figures for different demographics have not been released yet so no one knows if young people actually did turn out in significantly higher numbers than usual (72% figure that's going about has no basis, seems to be entirely made up)

2) given that a big part of the labour gain was from ukip voters splitting almost half and half between tory and labour, it's possible that it could actually have been the older generations who swung things in labour's favour (dementia tax is another thing that could support this idea)

also trying to re-frame your generation spending 12 hours a day talking about dumb shit on reddit/twitter as them being "politically aware" is quite amusing, maybe that's just me

[–]jb492 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We get our knowledge from the internet, the same internet the Tories want to monitor and censor. Expect to see a bigger push towards censorship and anti net-neutrality in the UK as the established media realise they need to keep a handle on people's information sources before they lose all power.

[–]contrafuckinband [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They are the Internet generation with access to any information

This is where your theory comes apart a bit. Young people are more likely to have other young people as their friends on social media, so their access to information will almost certainly be biased to the left - they might have access to all the information but how do you know they're actually accessing it? How many are seeking a wealth of sources of information, how many are consuming the things they are more likely to be presented with (Guardian/Independent/Mirror articles backing up what they already believe etc).

[–]whydoyouonlylie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jesus fucking Christ ... you can't really be serious can you? Do you really have your head stuck that far up your own ass that you believe this absolute bullshit?

This has been the most politically engaged generation for a while, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest it is the most politically informed, and quite a lot to suggest the opposite.

Just because a lot of them happened to agree with you this election does not mean that they are actually informed as a result, and assuming that they are informed because they voted the same as you absolutely reeks of arrogance.

I know plenty of people who are well informed who have legitimate disagreements over which party to support. And plenty who are completely uninformed but will blindly and fanatically support a party because of perception of that party.

This type of post really sickens me because it portrays anyone of the 'other political persuasion' as uninformed, which is just not accurate. It's the worst kind of tribal politics.

[–]sexyjigsawpuzzleScotland 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

THINK OF THE CHILDREN BAN THE INTERNET

[–]Loyalrunescapeman 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Surely you mean they are the most left leaning as opposed to politically informed? If they had a different opinion to you and voted differently to you, you wouldn't be praising them as being 'politically informed'.

[–]DonManuelAustria 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not being a billionaire voting right equals being politically uninformed.

[–]Loyalrunescapeman 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

this is the most /r/unitedkingdom post I have ever seen

[–]DonManuelAustria 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this from an Austrian.

[–]WesternPhilosopherHertfordshire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"There are two ways in which people are controlled, first of all frightened people, and second, demoralized. An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern." - Tony Benn (died in 2014) He was totally right.

[–]collectiveindividualIreland 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While that's nice it can't be overlooked that fake news via the new social media had a huge influence in the USA presideo and brexit votes.

Print media may be shuffling off to the nursing home but agenda pushing can jump media.

[–]High_Pitch_Eric_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what.

Rohypnol or no rohypnol. Unless you can untie yourself from the barrel it doesn't really matter.

[–]lovechip [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good time to put your money where your mouth is and support media you respect. That could include podcasts, websites, radio shows, etc.

[–]racergr- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How long until we have the first MP who initially became famous from YouTube?

[–]hu6Bi5To 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Typically left-wing = most politically informed?

[–]pajamakitten 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was looking at the papers' headlines in Sainsbury's earlier and there was a gaggle of elderly women saying that young people only voted Labour for tuition fees. It couldn't possibly be because they didn't like Mays policies on: the NHS, police spending, fox hunting, plans for social care, her Brexit 'strategy' or her plans to censor the internet. They couldn't possibly have preferred Corbyn honestly answering questions, proposing a softer Brexit or his plan to invest in the nation's services such as trains. It was all about tuition fees.

[–]OronareLancashire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Philosophy graduates from the 60s/70s who somehow managed to get senior political journalist positions are afraid they are/will become irrelevant. The whole of Westminster and the media is one big cartel - they all know each other, have worked with each other in various jobs, you'll find that 'advisers' etc were preciously journalists at Sky or wherever...they're all inter-married, so imagine the worlds worst echo chamber.

Let them die, and be thankful it's finally happening.

[–]RepThePlantDawg420 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

They're not informed at all. They don't remember Labour governments of the past. There's a reason old people vote Tory, they actually remember what it was like when Labour was in power and they don't want it again.

[–]Callduron 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You've forgotten the amazing exhilarating Labour government of '45 that created the welfare state and the NHS.

[–]MobyDobie 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That also wanted to maintain food rationing indefinitely in the future, and even stood in an election (in 1950) on that basis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom#Timeline

[–]JimmyEightTimes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What's wrong with wanting to maintain food rationing indefinitely?

[–]iamanoctopuss 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus, the Labour party(Liberal Party before that) and the Conservative party are the oldest parties in the UK that span nearly 200 years. It's complete bollocks to hold that opinion. Each party goes from ups to downs in popularity, but a party leader is responsible for each iteration of a party, it's perfectly acceptable to say you hated Blair's Labour party, etc...

[–]magicsmoker 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What you said is a bit confusing. The Labour party was not around 200 years ago, it was founded in 1900. The Liberal party was the main opposition to the Tories until the twenties but they are completely unrelated to the Labour party.

[–]iamanoctopuss -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know why I mentioned the liberal party either; I had two thoughts going on.

What I am saying is, it's completely asinine to hold a particular generation of a party accountable, Labour 60 odd years ago aren't the same as this year's Labour party, this generation of Tories probably wouldn't have had something like the introduction of the NHS considered now like most of the political parties were doing after WW2. If I was a Tory voter should I be angry about that they dared mention creating a national health service in their manifesto?

[–]Andythrax 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Things can't much worse than they are now. During Labour government we had a great time. Then we had a financial crash and society seems to be gone.

[–]iamanoctopuss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shhhhhh we don't talk about how Thatcher fucked with the banks, Labour fucked up

[–]UltimateGammer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck all that, remember the tory party of right now.

Labour parties of the past don't mean shit.

Tory parties of today cutting welfare and destroying the NHS is all that matters

[–]lovechip [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thatcher.

[–]GnarltonBanksEngland [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If that were true why did so many vote Labour?