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[–]Sunken_Fruit 1133 ポイント1134 ポイント  (126子コメント)

Ryan is not a stupid person. And even though I find his politics abhorrent, he has gone out of his way to pitch himself as a fundamentally decent, principled man who believes in the American system of democratic governance.

Thanks to Trump, it's now obvious that Ryan isn't any kind of upstanding man; he's a spineless, transparent little jellyfish. Kudos to him, though – he had a lot of us fooled. And it was a good act while it lasted.

This article was actually a pretty good roasting.

[–]AnotherPersonPerhapsWashington 436 ポイント437 ポイント  (67子コメント)

Surprise America! Paul Ryan is not the nerdy policy wonk genius he was sold as.

He's quite the opposite.

[–]emote_control 231 ポイント232 ポイント  (49子コメント)

America has this idea that it's canny, with lots of "common sense" and "wisdom", but holy shit does it eat up a sales pitch.

[–]eatinglotsofstuffMichigan 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Their own ability to judge others in a normal social setting is overrated by a lot of people, and it's even tougher to judge a guy who is a professional salesman/actor with good hair.

[–]Ghonaherpasiphilaids 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Considering shady used car salesman were invented in America I'm not really surprised by this.

[–]mhornberger [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But there are faith healers and fortune tellers and psychics and tarot readers and miracle-cure hawkers all over the world. America's conceit that we're just chock full of "common sense" makes us vulnerable to particular cognitive biases and exploits, but gullibility is not a uniquely American trait.

[–]91190807 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah but believing in those "faith healers and fortune tellers and psychics and tarot readers and miracle-cure hawkers" seems a lot more acceptable here than in other developed countries.

You just can't​ speak from the home of televangelism and say "everyone else does it too!" They don't.

[–]DarcsenHawaii [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Like there weren't shady ass sheep salesmen or some shit in the old country.

"3 year old mutton guaranteed to taste like lamb, only been sheered once, definitely never been fucked by the herder. Premium like new, only 5 shillings! Buy now and I'll throw in a fancy straw hat, free of charge!"

[–]emote_control 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Can we maybe, just as a baseline, assume that someone running for office is trying to pull one over on you, and make them prove that they're not, rather than the other way around? And not fall for it when they suggest "no, I'm trying to pull one over on the other guy, not you!"

Come on, people. This is not hard. Lots of us have known that this guy is a scumbag for years. He practically wears a "I'm a scumbag" sign on his back. Now people are starting to get the lightbulb going off? No wonder the country is such a mess.

[–]iMissTheOldInternet 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Doesn't actually help. Just makes people cynical about government and believe shit like "the government that governs least governs best" is an absolute rule (i.e. that anarchy is the best government). There's no shortcut to people being responsible citizens and media literate.

[–]ybpaladin 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The one thing I never understood about the people who want a small goverment or anarchy is why? Like, do these people really think they'll be alright living in a world free of regulation and oversight?

[–]PoorMansMillionaire 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Every anarchist thinks they or someone they know would be capable of organizing a well-run militia which simultaneously is completely trustworthy, will always agree with each other, can prevent every threat, and will never be sweet talked into a monarchy/dictatorship/fascist regime. Oh, and that's putin will never annex them.

In reality I say 25% are vulture bait in the first month after government disappears, 25% collapse from infighting and disagreements, 25% get converted into new (probably not democratic) governments as soon as shit goes south, and the remaining 25% are overtaken by Russia/China/whoever wants easy land.

Everyone wants to be the next Rick, but most of them are going to get shot by the Governor.

[–]Alkavana [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Same with the students who think they of all people can make communism work. Knew a guy in uni, legit thought he was a hard left commie/anarchist. Was doing politics at a damn expensive uni, living in the city centre penthouse flat his rich parents bought him. Genuinely felt communism even at the end of a gun would be 'justified". Typical type that felt violence at protests was not the same as the violence of the far right etc.

[–]User_O7 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I have high hopes for Communism when we have AI to run the government.

[–]noguchisquared 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it will always be someone else that the bad things happen to, never them.

[–]emote_control 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just because government is a magnet for sociopaths and hucksters doesn't mean it's unnecessary. It's just the nature of the beast. Power attracts people who want to abuse power. So if we assign power to a small group of people, abusers will show up. And we know that. So let's start acting like we know that, and scrutinize them, and stop being so damn gullible.

[–]felesrooKansas 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To me, my vote is a gun and to give my vote to someone, I think about that person's qualities, intent, and character in the same way I would before handing them a gun.

Why? Because a vote and a gun are both instruments of power and power is a highly corrupting force. My decision to give someone power isn't about whether I "like" them, it has to do with what I think they will do with that power, especially for or against me.

I think too many people view an election as a popularity contest. Politicians have real power. This isn't fucking Eurovision.

[–]Alkavana [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This needs more upvotes honestly. The UK has increasingly gone this way too, we vote in the personality not the policy and then scratch our heads dumbstruck that they are liars and charlatans. Then the parties in turn wonder why there is so much voter apathy.

[–]emote_control [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For sure. This isn't a game. People's lives are literally at stake. 23 million will lose their health coverage if Ryan has his way. It's so mind-boggling that people aren't white-knuckled with anxiety at the potential for human suffering if things go wrong. But holy damn, are they going to cry their eyes out if they themselves get sick in a year or two.

[–]Badgertime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like you're saying, if we dont engender that belief in our people, then it doesn't really matter what's true or what informed people believe

[–]mhornberger [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Teaching people that they can't just tell someone's character is not actually easy. I'm fascinated with books like Thinking, Fast and Slow and Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me). But getting normal people to entertain these arguments that our intuition isn't really all that great, that we really can't just know someone's character from their demeanor, is difficult as hell.

People are not receptive to the notion that their intuition is biased or can be manipulated, or that they subconsciously favor tall, good-looking people with good hair, or people with certain accents, etc. Our whole culture is one long celebration of intuition and gut feeling. People love to think they can "just tell," and that leaves them open to all kinds of manipulation.

[–]Baldaaf [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

A friend of mine got involved with a cult, years back, and did some really stupid shit. He's out now, and I was talking to him about it the other day and he said, "Yeah, I just don't know what I was thinking." I replied, "You weren't thinking, you were feeling."

We are so quick to throw reason and logic out the window if we "feel" something is right. "Trust your feelings", "Follow your gut", "Listen to your intuition". No, use your fucking brain.

[–]RhysPeanutButterCups [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a counterpoint, your gut intuition isn't always bad. The brain makes shortcuts and that's what the intuition and gut feeling is. Just, you know, there's a difference in following a gut feeling on what you want to eat for lunch versus voting.

[–]emote_control [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe I'm weird, but I tend to be creeped out by exactly the sorts of traits that other people are said to like and trust. They say "sociopath" to me, and I automatically recoil.

I have a friend who is "charming". Friendly, charismatic, women love him, he's in sales. It took me months to realize that he's actually a nice person deep down, but it required getting to know him well enough that he dropped the charm pattern and started being genuine and vulnerable. At that point I was able to make a solid assessment of his character, but not before that. So I couldn't trust him until then.

I don't understand why it's not like this for everyone. Of course you can't trust public figures. You don't know them at all!

[–]Daedeluss 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

America has this idea that it's canny, with lots of "common sense" and "wisdom"

Does it? Because from where I'm standing (UK) it really doesn't look like it. The amount of religious wingnuts you've got, for starters. The very opposite of 'common sense' and 'wisdom'. Climate deniers. Republicans. George W Bush. Donald Trump. The list goes on...

[–]SHURP 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't say we actually were full of common sense, just that we like to think we are. Of course some of us are canny and have common sense. But unfortunately there is a large majority of people who in fact don't but still harbor the belief that they do a very strong, very poisonous belief.

[–]Pablois4New York [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was at my congressman's (Tom Reed)) town hall last weekend. In an objective, detached way, it was fascinating to watch him. He can really put on an empathetic act and his statements were vague enough that on first take, they sound reasonable. It would be easy to fall under the spell thinking that this seemingly nice man had my best interests at heart.

Unfortunately for him, that fact that he was one of the very first to toady up to Trump (I think the second congressman to endorse him) and still refuses to say anything remotely negative against him is like an inoculation. Well that and that he supports every bit of legislation that will screw the children, poor, veterans and so on. Reeds a very good actor but was facing a lot of well articulated, knowledgeable anger.

[–]CptNonsense [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ryan is a virulently Randian partisan hack playboy letting everyone believe the story they made up about how he is a nerdy policy wonk.

It's like somehow the college kid who staid up all night smoking and drinking somehow got pegged as the smartest guy in school despite never going to or passing classes and just went with it

[–]tomparker 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's just a stretch-model Chris Christie with a mama's boy face after a can of Hobby Lobby spray-on handsome.

[–]saturdaysnation [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yep Paul krugman called him out as a guy masquerading as a policy wonk a while ago and he was spot on

[–]mrpopenfresh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It wasn't very hard to see through. His budget proposal he brought with him when he got on the scene was... a freshman effort to say the least.

[–]kudatah 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean the dude who used to go to keggers and daydream about stripping HC from millions of people to pay for tax cuts for the rich is a douche?

[–]mrpopenfresh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've never seen one iota of that "policy wonk" label in action.

[–]PotaToss 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I think he might actually be stupid.

[–]poliasshat 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I think this is most obvious from his claim that his favorite band is Rage Against the Machine. Either he's too stupid to realize what RATM is about, or he's too stupid to think other people could see through the bullshit. Either way he's fucking stupid.

[–]sjj342 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Don't forget the fact he lied about a marathon time.

I saw this today, wholly disingenuous and devoid of any critical thinking, and I've had the word "dipshit" stuck in my head since...

For a nation that was the first in flight, it’s reasonable to ask: Why are we falling so behind in #Infrastructure?

[–]midwestrider 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

For marathoners, this is the lowest thing you can do. There's like Hitler, then worse than him are people who exaggerate their marathon time. Think about how much time people put into training to improve their marathon time from one event to the next, typically 13 to 20 weeks of careful but grueling training... People who lie about their marathon times are the scum of the earth. It pretty much means you will lie about anything.

[–]sjj342 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll never take him seriously due to that. Media needs to stop giving him and other Republicans any air of credibility - I would start cutting mics or stop putting them on air anytime they resort to whataboutism or spouting lies that do a disservice to the country.

[–]jayrandez [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I thought you were gonna say "and then slightly above Hitler is..." but no, below Hitler.

[–]urmyheartBeatStopR 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget the fact he lied about a marathon time.

LOL, Trump lies a lot too. I didn't expect anybody to be that bad at lying compare to Trump and his nominees.

Ronnie is super dumb.

[–]MetalSeagull [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You are the machine, Ryan! How can you not get that? I'm not even a fan, and I know. It's that fucking obvious!

[–]ohthatwasme 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think a lot or elected Republicans are just genuinely fucking stupid people that are getting taken for a ride by whatever billionaire rich person is backing them. Its like Jonah Ryan from Veep. Lol.

[–]Caracaos 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I will fully admit that at some point within the last 2 years, I genuinely believed that Ryan was the conservative intellectual that America needed.

I mean, imagine a society where genuinely good outcomes (good health, good prospects, stability) occur without outside intervention! Shit, to the fiscally conservative good samaritan in me, it's like having your cake and eating it too! And I thought Ryan was the guy who could deliver!

How wrong I was. How wrong how wrong how wrong I was.

[–]VoiceOfRealson 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

imagine a society where genuinely good outcomes (good health, good prospects, stability) occur without outside intervention!

Many religious people believe that there is some overall intelligence (God) guiding everything and preventing us from fucking the world up.

Other people believe that the world would be perfectly regulating itself if only humans would stop interfering and go back to living as the other great apes.

We see self regulating systems around us in nature and think that is the rule for how the works. But it isn't. It is survivor bias.

We see self-regulating systems because they tend to last longer than systems that don't or can't self regulate - and because we have a fundamental tendency to see patterns in order to try to predict what is coming next.

The most damning thing about the "self-regulating market" idea is not that part though. It is the assumption that something self-regulating would inherently be more desirable.

Pushing a system outside the inherently stable region is the basis of some of the most efficient systems in engineering. Your phone charger is a tiny thing that can fit in the plug on the wall because it uses dynamic switched mode regulators to transform high voltage AC to low voltage DC. You can make an inherently stable system that does the same by using transformers, but it would be much more costly, weigh much more and would often be less effective.

But even that would be something we specifically designed to be self-regulating.

A self-regulating market can exist, but it may easily self-regulate to a level where everybody is starving. If we want a better outcome we need to regulate it. That regulation method can be something that works without constant outside intervention, but then it is also likely to be less efficient and everybody is likely to be worse off.

[–]wavefunctionp [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I live in the south, in a religious, conservative household. Obviously, they voted for Trump. /boggle

When I bring up the dumpster fires that have been proposed by republican leadership now in play, the response is 'we just need to give it up to god' and 'we must pray for his will'.

These people voted for the thing they say they now need to pray about.

These aren't particularly dumb or mean people either. They have just completely bought into feels over reals. They are more concerned about abortion, except if you actually probe them of specific exceptions like rape or endangerment of the mother, they suddenly agree. If you say that's what pro-choice means, they immediately turn it around and say that's not what they meant. If you say pro-choice is small government. They go even further back into their shell. Yelling and shouting starts right about then. The cognitive dissonance finally becoming overwhelming.

They are completely and fully hoodwinked, and their political decision making process has been completely hijacked by their amygdala. The liberal boogeyman is a real deal to these people.

The left needs to figure out how to unfuck these people's brains before we can ever make progress.

I don't know what to do either. I live here with these people and I can't avoid them like many in the big cities. And even I don't know what to do to reach people who have seemingly lost the ability to listen.

[–]ArztMerkwurdigliebe [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm sorry but based on the beliefs and reactions you've presented here, they very well seem like particularly dumb and mean people.

[–]wavefunctionp [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It really not a matter of intelligence, these people are not using analytical reasoning for these decisions. They are fully capable, if maybe at times a bit uneducated/naive, of using their intelligence elsewhere with at least average performance.

It is a conditioned response. They are trained to not use those facilities for certain topics in church and conservative media I believe. And they've been doing so for so long, that if they are challenged to so, they respond with fear and anger at the resulting internal conflict.

Doubt is sin punishable by eternal damnation. That is a pretty powerful motivator to keep stray thoughts away. And the fire and brimstone gospel is prevalent where I live.

[–]European_Sanderista [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I genuinely believed that Ryan was the conservative intellectual that America needed.

I was a libertarian myself until 2008 crash proved to me that greed is too potent a force for the rich to self-regulate, and in the end the public will have to pick up the tab.

Since then I consider 'conservative intellectual' to be an oxymoron. If you continue to peddle this 'free market will solve everything' bs, while evidence to the contrary is staring you in the face, you can't call yourself 'an intellectual', you're just a tool.

imagine a society where genuinely good outcomes (good health, good prospects, stability) occur without outside intervention! Shit, to the fiscally conservative good samaritan in me, it's like having your cake and eating it too! And I thought Ryan was the guy who could deliver!

That's a feel-good utopia, Ayn-Randians like Ryan are selling. It's not that it's particularly smart, but it allows people - as you very well put it - to have their cake and it it too.

As Adolph Reed said - "Ideology is the mechanism that harmonizes the principles that you want to hold and what gets you paid."

[–]meiyoumayo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I've never been a libertarian, but I get/got the appeal. It sounds perfectly nice: trusting that people can handle themselves and believing in free will and freedom of choice, keeping the government out of people's lives, all of that. But people are assholes. Deep structural inequalities (class, race, gender, etc.) and greed show me that it just cannot work in the real world. Sure, like socialism and communism, you can take elements of it and apply them where they could do good, but it's just not a sustainable system. People will get screwed over. We need to have some ground rules set by a transparent, accountable, well-informed body. Now, of course, too many or too strict rules can be bad too, but there need to be rules and people to step in and say "no, you can't fleece old people out of their money and profit off of predatory lending practices". Because people are assholes.

[–]verossiraptors [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Payday loans, pyramid schemes, and mortgage redlining are all you need to know about human nature to make you not want to subject the entirety of our society to unregulated human nature.

[–]scud_missile [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ryan was asked in July 2016 how he could support a candidate “who is openly racist and has said Islamophobic statements, wants to shut down our borders,” he responded, “That basically means you’re going to help elect Hillary Clinton,” as if hatred and bigotry are OK if the end result is getting your party elected. 

Yeah, no.

[–]limpwheatthin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

a functioning pluralistic society requires work - governance that includes policies intended to level the playing field and lifting those that need it - unless you want full on classism.

[–]spaghettiAstarCalifornia 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Huntsman is who you're looking for.

[–]beforethewind [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I knew the GOP was a lost cause to young people when he was laughed off the stage (so to speak) for knowing Chinese.

[–]RobbieFowlerIsGod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But he endorsed trump early and is now ambassador to... Russia. I don't trust him tbh

[–]nunboi [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Alright dude you have my attention - genuinely curious about your original thinking here.

I mean this with zero irony. It sounds like you might have some smart perspective, even though I likely won't agree with all of it, I'd be glad to hear more.

[–]victorgedMichigan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brian Sandoval.

[–]Ruval [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

By Cosmopolitan magazine, no less.

I read an article a ways back they are doing this to intentionally get women more interested in politics. If this is their slant, it is yet another nail in the republican coffin.

[–]bag-o-farts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

intentionally get women more interested in politics

right on, sister! women need to be represented in Congress, it is imperative that their hand be involved in healthcare policy and education reform. Shout out to McCatskill

[–]Lurking_Reader [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The Democrat representative women of Congress have been steamrolling since January! First we had Warren, then recently Kamela, and now McCaskill. All have upset and unsettled the all white male domineering attitude of the GOP. Too bad I moved out of Kamela's district :(

[–]TitusVI [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Is it just me because ryans eyes creep me out. When I see this guy talking and his facial expression especially his eyes he looks like a souless guy that you cant trust. I have the same feeling when I look at Cruz and Cruz'S smile is so fake. There are many fake republicans that you can literally read of their face that they are reptiles.

[–]mein_liebchen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Put this paragraph in front of the one you cite above, and the roast is perfect.

Paul Ryan is a very good actor. The Speaker of the House has staked his reputation, and his campaigns, on being a wonky, thoughtful Republican, conservative to be sure but a man of integrity, driven by careful consideration.

It's a great cover for a man without a spine.

Ryan is not a stupid person. And even though I find his politics abhorrent, he has gone out of his way to pitch himself as a fundamentally decent, principled man who believes in the American system of democratic governance. Thanks to Trump, it's now obvious that Ryan isn't any kind of upstanding man; he's a spineless, transparent little jellyfish. Kudos to him, though – he had a lot of us fooled. And it was a good act while it lasted.

[–]TedNugentGoesAOL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he had them fooled initially I guess that doesn't make him transparent?

Still, scathing article. I love it

[–]lofi76Colorado [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ron Ron is a piece of shit. The GOP spin machine wanted to use his hair and his lack of aberrant bone structure to ride the Treason rails. It ain't working. Ron Ron must go down with the ship.

[–]oorakhhye [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How was anyone initially "fooled" by this guy? He's so visually insincere and fake even when he expressed his "beliefs" when he ran alongside Romney back in 2012.

[–]GonnaVote10 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We need more journalists willing to tell it like it is. Far too many are scared to report the truth because they don't want to be labeled biased

[–]svrtngrGeorgia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When Cosmopolitan is roasting you, you know you've done fucked up.

[–]Seinfeldologist 414 ポイント415 ポイント  (36子コメント)

Damn, even Cosmopolitan is getting on board. Looking forward to the "12 secret ways to impeach a President" article.

[–]MisterMicrophone 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (9子コメント)

"10 Tips To Demean Paul Ryan in the Bedroom"

[–]pelican08 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Tell him he's new at this.

[–]AnotherPersonPerhapsWashington 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"I swear this never happens, baby"

"how could it? You're new at this"

[–]RawScallop 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Be gentle with me, it's my first time ruining a democracy"

[–]AngryBudgie13 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Paul Ryan does all of them nightly. Even Paul Ryan hates Paul Ryan.

[–]Stalin_2020 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, I'm pretty sure nobody hates Paul Ryan more than Paul Ryan

[–]MisterInfalllible 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Nah, I think Cosmo has been doing insightful reporting for several months now.

On the basis that women can be interested in fashion, pop culture, and the nitty-gritty of politics.

Lads' mags can be the same way, e.g. Playboy's articles, etc.

[–]ashesashesdustdust 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Marie Claire is really good about that. I read about the taliban years before 9/11 thanks to that magazine.

[–]bilsonM 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well thanks for giving us a heads up.

[–]misadelph 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, gotta watch out for those Taliban fellas. Who knows what they might be up to.

[–]TrumpsYugeBabyHands 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also they make a mean raspberry strudel in the tunnels of Balochistan.

[–]meiyoumayo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Teen magazines have been like that for years. I first learned about transgender people, what it's like to be a refugee from the former Yugoslavia, abortion, self-harm, and leaving a cult from Teen People and Seventeen. I must have been in elementary and middle school at the time (so think around 2000-2004), and it was great to have magazines that let me swoon about boys and makeup in one section, and then explore some pretty difficult topics that wouldn't just "come up" in school or with my parents in another.

[–]SimplyHaunted 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Teen Vogue has had some good articles too recently

[–]elcapitan520 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Teen vogue has been killing it for the last year and deserves a lot of credit

[–]2legit2fart 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Esquire has had a number of articles.

[–]rubydrops 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's actually fairly fitting if you think about the ways Comey has been attacked like a girl who was sexually harassed but didn't walk away from the situation.

[–]dustin_pledge 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Come on, don't you see those slutty, revealing business suits he wears?

[–]Mol-lurker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exclusive!: Mueller Dishes and Shares 11 Sexy Prosecution Secrets To Try in an Independent Investigation

[–]Mr_Smartypants [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

next: Highlights magazine's "Spot the differences between Trump's campaign promises and his actions in office!"

[–]StevenSanders90210America 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's not just complicit, he's involved

[–]UnrepentantFenian [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Get used to the phrase: President Orrin Hatch.

[–]KingslayerDan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Nah. If there's any indication of Trump and Pence going down together, the VP will be made to resign and replaced by another loyal Koch/Mercer servant.

[–]GabrosinMaryland [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think this is where we're headed too... if the heat gets too high, or the Dems look like they're close to winning the 2018 midterms, Pence will decide that it's time to step down for health or family reasons, and another Republican will be thrust into the VP spot... best bet is Kasich, but it could be Romney, or someone else, who knows. Someone who's got no ties to Russia. Then when Trump gets impeached, Republicans can try to look like the heroes by removing him without the risk of having to remove Pence and hand the presidency to Pelosi or someone like that.

The odds of this generating enough action to remove Trump, Pence, AND Ryan before January 2019 are pretty slim.

[–]i-get-stabby 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Paul Ryan has inadvertently admitted he believes Comey. When he says "he's just new to this" he is making an excuse for Trump. Trumps version he did nothing wrong. If he did nothing wrong, why the excuse? what did he do that he is new to ?

[–]kryonikConnecticut 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sorry if you're president, you don't get to be "new at this". If you're a gas station cashier, sure, but leader of a country? Negative. (Not sorry)

[–]DragoonDM 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Especially coming from the party that threw a shitfit over how relatively inexperienced Obama was.

[–]throwaway_ghastCalifornia 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's a little beyond that. Repubs threw a shitfit over what kind of mustard Obama used.

[–]Baseproduct [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And that one time he and Michelle went on a date to NYC that cost taxpayers money.

[–]UnrepentantFenian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's the Costanza defense: "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I gotta go ahead and plead ignorance on this one."

[–]i-get-stabby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

George admitted he did what he did, but didn't know it was wrong. Trump didn't admit what he did and knew he was wrong because he sent everyone out of the room.

[–]MyPasswordIsMyCat 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Cosmopolitan and Teen Vogue have become savage... I like it.

[–]MisterMicrophone 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Your move, Boys Life.

[–]The_Impresario 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Highlights is more the White House's speed.

[–]MysteriousMooseRider [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Your move, Boys Life.

It was either boys life or the eagle scout magazine that did an article prasing rex tillerson, so I would not get my hopes up.

[–]Englishgrinn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Is Eagle Scout magazine connected to the Boy Scouts of America? Because they're under (not that) new ownership which is wholly unfit to educate young men about politics.

[–]MysteriousMooseRider [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure tbh. I just remember being disgusted by the article.

[–]myAOLsn 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

i actually think this is amazing.. pushing forth more substance to a larger mass, teen vogue especially, some editors see a deficit in critical thinking and trying to get news out there

[–]unizen_ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They kind of have to. People can go to the internet for trash, the only ones still buying magazines are those who want insightful articles.

[–]krukman 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Meanwhile Bop and Tiger Beat refuse to cover the whole Mike Pence/One Direction feud.

[–]kronicfeld [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lauren Duca, Sarah Kendzior...20-something women political journalists are killing it, while the hacks at the New York Times are still trying find a way to write a weekly "What Trump Did Right" column.

[–]RhysPeanutButterCups [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And CNN's Chris Cillizza is too busy flagellating Hillary Clinton to pay attention to what's going on in the White House.

[–]sphincter_gravy[S] 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (9子コメント)

For those not happy about Cosmopolitan magazine publishing a thoughtful breakdown of a traitor's collapse, I implore you to read the article. That's generally a good practice before commenting.

Cosmopolitan was a literary magazine before it was about women's fashion. I look forward to your equally passionate outrage at the next GQ or Esquire piece. It's pretty obvious where at least some of this is coming from.

[–]GonnaVote10 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm just glad there are journalist willing to tell the truth.

Cosmo is leading the way

[–]Englishgrinn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Far be it from me to say people shouldn't be selective in what publications they read. You absolutely should be. However, the main criteria should always be "Has this outfit tried to pass editorial as fact?" "Have the facts presented been accurate?" "Were the points presented in a clear, well-written manner?".

I don't understand why in order to be taken seriously a publication has to constantly strive for this somber, detached tone like every magazine is the fucking Economist. Rolling Stone magazine is generally considered good journalism (or has good journalists anyway) and they print all kinds of flaky puff pieces. Where is the line?

[–]fupa16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for that mature and thoughtful perspective sphincter_gravy

[–]ArbiterXForeign 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think we can all agree on something, Trump is doing a good job on showing the world how stupid & out of touch the GOP & their supporters are.

They still think their living in 1960s - 1970s.

[–]emote_control 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Thanks to Trump, it's now obvious that Ryan isn't any kind of upstanding man; he's a spineless, transparent little jellyfish."

What do you mean, "thanks to Trump"? We've known this for almost 20 years. I'm constantly baffled by the inability of people to stop second-guessing themselves and think, "yes, my instincts were correct. I did observe what I thought I observed. I should stop giving this slug the benefit of the doubt, because he's obviously a sociopath." This capacity to forgive and forget (and not bother to notice in the first place) is the ladder by which exploitative and destructive people climb to the top.

[–]vomputer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This. Paul Ryan has never been anything more than a lucky cardboard cut-out of a person, sprayed with a little bit of evil musk. He has claimed so many racist and classist things that are harmful to our society, all in the interest of toadying to the shit GOP base of the Midwest. Now he is undeservedly in the Speaker job, and I hour he gets chewed up and spit out in am even more humiliating way than Boehner.

[–]CarlinHicksCross [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The bottom of the article says "kudos to him, he had a lot of us fooled"

Im finding it exceedingly hard to believe as I think about this that anyone could have thought Paul Ryan was a man of integrity. That seems like a sick joke, considering anyone with critical thinking abilities should have figured this out years ago, right?

[–]awesome_amos 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The definition of the word is "arousing pity."

He deserves nothing but scorn.

[–]Taman_Should 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And now, the punchline:

With "wonks" like these, who needs policies?

[–]Hexi_NovaArizona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right or left... I think we can all agree that Paul Ryan is pathetic.

[–]Tombofsoldier 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The real pathetic thing about him is, he's not even good at his job. The presidency is there, right there. It's his for the taking. All he'd need to do is jin up 30 Republican impeachment votes in the Senate, there' no way Democrats could not vote to impeach Trump. Pence is a pushover and would probably resign within two months.

All he'd have to do is convince his party he'd be better at getting them relected than Trump as president. That's as easy a sell as I've ever heard. Anyone that knows history will see 2018 for the Republican slaughter it's heading towards now. No that's not wishful thinking, nothing inspires disagreement and complacency like victory, and nothing inspires unity and action like defeat. Heck just look at the 2010 election.

But instead he just sits there and defends the man that's in the process of losing him his own job, instead of taking the highest office his profession aspires to for himself. I mean, if you're going to be evil at least be competent.

[–]shortfoxForeign 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has no choice but to defend Trump. When Trump goes down for the 'Russia' thing, so will the GOP leadership for laundering dirty Russian money.

[–]Metalsludge 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The moment any of these folks looked the other way in order to support Trump, I knew just what they were, and that included Romney groveling before him in hopes of getting the post at the State Department. How decent are any of these guys if it doesn't sway their behavior when the going gets rough?

For goodness sake, he insulted these people and their families, and they still kiss the ring in hopes of having power. Not only do they not have respect for others, they evidently don't even respect for themselves. Pathetic bunch indeed.

[–]nazgul_hunter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hillary Clinton apparently was one of the people who told him to take the job if offered. I think he was trying to minimize damage from the inside, as many people thought they could.

[–]x_cLOUDDEAD_xOhio 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ryan held a press conference wherein he made excuses for the beleaguered kleptocrat-in-chief, saying perhaps Trump is in this mess of his own making because "he's just new to this" and perhaps didn't know the appropriate protocol.

Dan Rather made a good point about this the other night. If Ryan expected this why did he support Trump's nomination to be president?

[–]x_cLOUDDEAD_xOhio 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paul Ryan is a very good actor.

Not really. He thinks he is, but he's not.

[–]gregsha 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Republican Party is sickening.

[–]Just_the_TruthsOhio 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean Ron?

[–]AnotherPersonPerhapsWashington 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In an extreme display of loyalty, Paul Ryan changes his legal name to Ron in an effort to ensure the President isn't embarrassed by a gaffe and demonstrated to be wrong about something.

Reached for comment the speaker of the house said "I've always identified nor as a Ron. Thanks to Trump I finally have the courage to come out of the closet as a proud Ron. Thank you Mr President"

President Trump, when asked, replied "Who? I don't know any Ron. I've never met a Ron in my life. Fake news. "

[–]Craico13 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He sure is!

[–]indyaj 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop. You're too nice.

[–]autotldrApproved Bot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)


Yesterday, after former FBI director James Comey's damning congressional testimony - Comey said the president pressed him to back off his bureau's investigation into Trump team ties with Russia; Comey was also fired by the president - Ryan held a press conference wherein he made excuses for the beleaguered kleptocrat-in-chief, saying perhaps Trump is in this mess of his own making because "He's just new to this" and perhaps didn't know the appropriate protocol.

Why is Paul Ryan defending him? Why would Ryan suggest it's OK that Trump doesn't know something he clearly does - and clearly should?

After the now-famous video of Trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy surfaced and several women accused Trump of sexual harassment and assault, Ryan, a champion of traditional family values, tried to gingerly distance himself by announcing he would no longer defend the then-nominee, but still, he refused to pull his endorsement.


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[–]VagSlayer9000 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

JEB! is a mess. JEB! is a waste. JEB! is a mess. JEB! is a big fat mistake.

[–]meggox3xNebraska 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really appreciate that this is coming from Cosmo. I want teenage girls and guys who read this to understand whats going on in the political world.

[–]nunboi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Teen Vogue has been killing it as well.

[–]Press_F5_Comrade [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't need to read an article to tell me this.

[–]mikeandamy1013 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Paul Ryan is a twat, plain and simple

[–]Charlie--Dont--Surf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally, something both sides can agree on.

[–]MBAMBA0New York 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

When even COSMO is calling a politician pathetic...

[–]ortrun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Paul Ryan - does he remember he's up for election?

[–]QS_iron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

finally something both Trumpers and Drumpfers can agree on ... Paul Ryan is indeed a snake.

[–]jizzm_wasted [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He had a whole lot of spine when that "Muslim foreign born" president was in charge. Somehow going against anything he did, wether right or wrong.

Look at this tool now.

[–]LebirtandJuztiz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ryan himself brings nothing to the job as a U.S. House Representative except the experience of living off the public teet for the past 18 years. His only credential appears to be his membership in the Republican Party, the same party, that sold you Donald J. Trump.

[–]TaramandaForeign [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anyone with a half a brain or more understands Paul Ryan's numbers do not add up. It's why conservative rubes are fooled by him. They don't understand things. Like LGBT folks. Or Algebra.

[–]RhysPeanutButterCups [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Paul Ryan is Pathetic

And water is wet. News at 11.

[–]jjspacemanAmerica [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Jesus. It's something when even Cosmo is getting in on it.

[–]BeanedWeen 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cosmo

But what does Ja Rule think?

[–]Y_Sam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure Ja Rule's opinion on Paul Ryan is more relevant that Paul Ryan's opinion on global warming or healthcare.
I'm also sure he has less conflicting interests going on.

[–]Man-Bear-Sloth 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we give the death penalty to corrupt politicians? I mean they are ultimately responsible for the death of thousands, especially if their health care plan goes through.

[–]spaceghotiColorado 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In related news, water is still wet.

[–]Ajellsmay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Should I even read this article? If this is what it's all come to? This subreddit has always had an affinity for going after the right, but now it's so obvious due to the fact that post titles are saying that certain politicians are pathetic.

[–]xumun [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Feel free to believe that Paul Ryan is not pathetic at all and that you're better off not exposing yourself to an article that might change your mind about him. Just don't expect us to care, please! We're here if you want to discuss the article. Until then, we're not.

[–]freeRadical16 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

How much you want to bet the Republicans sweep the midterms in 2018?

[–]kevin3g [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, when Cosmo says a man is pathetic! Usually Cosmo is a fan of men. He's toast, he'll never get laid again!

[–]Ravashingrude [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Really r/politics? Fucking cosmo? The fuck is wrong you guys? Plenty of news publications to use but fucking cosmo?

[–]ProgressiveJediCalifornia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is not news. We all know this.

[–]azchocula 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In other news, water is wet.

[–]TheFrenchAzn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvoted because title.

[–]SquidFistHK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dan Quayle 2.0

[–]radale 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump, we know, plays by his own set of rules, or simply doesn't believe the rules apply to him at all. But why is Paul Ryan defending him? Why would Ryan suggest it's OK that Trump doesn't know something he clearly does – and clearly should?

Ryan is a self-serving asshole and knows it's to his benefit to stay on Trump's good side so he can convince Trump to toe the party line (when Republicans can get him on message), and that means not openly criticising Trump and affording him passes for his incompetence and general shittiness as a human being.