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[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (1子コメント)

There seem to be quite a few people who cannot comment without making insults to OP. Keep it civil, provide actual legal advice, and stay on-topic so this post can remain unlocked.

[–]Gavinmac 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I once had a co-worker (a Nevada lawyer) who sent his neighbors a "trespass warning."

This is a letter/document normally used by Nevada casinos and other businesses. It says something like "Pursuant to Nevada Revised Statute 207.200, you are hereby warned not to return to the property located at 161 Applegate Lane and if you do so you will be prosecuted for trespass." Or words like that.

Then you send that by registered/certified mail addressed to the neighbor's kid, the neighbor, etc.

If they re-enter the property, you call the police.

Police arrest people for trespass at Nevada casinos all the time, when people who have been kicked out or '86ed from the casino come back.

I suspect that the first time you call the police, they won't arrest anyone and will suggest to you that you should work it out. But the second or third time, they're going to want to make it stop because they will be annoyed about having to respond to all these calls. They might try to guilt you in to stop calling them for it, but ultimately you're absolutely legally right and their job is to enforce the law and arrest trespassers and I think that's what they will do if you call them about it a few times.

[–]EarthAngel007 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you have cameras trained on your yard? If not, you should. When they trespass, press charges.

[–]Pirateer 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (22子コメント)

So safety and liability is the argument I'm seeing here? What kind of fence are we talking? 3 foot chain? 8 foot wood privacy? More details would be nice.

Honestly this is a hard post to stay objective on.

[–]otra_gringa 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They mention having a puppy. I'm fine with my neighbors coming in my backyard, but I wouldn't want to trust kids to keep my dog safe. Especially kids who hadn't respected my wishes previously.

[–]ayaleaf 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially when they've already tried to poison your dog, like OP mentioned in other comments.

[–]etchedchampion 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Especially when they're throwing basketballs into the backyard that potentially has a puppy to be hit by it.

[–]foochi04[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great point. We noticed a few months ago after having these conversations that basketballs make her extremely apprehensive and aggressive. Extremely. She's not an aggressive dog and we haven't trained her to be an attack dog or anything but the sight of a basketball really gets her worked up. So we can only assume something ticked her off and basketballs have become a trigger.

[–]etchedchampion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She was probably hit by one, or she just sees them so often catapulting into her territory that she rightly views them as a threat.

[–]foochi04[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I edited my original post to add some more context- the fences between properties are about 6 feet high, but our neighborhood is on a slope so our house sits about 4-5 ft lower than our neighbors. So the height they're jumping is about 10 feet.

[–]ashion101 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If kid hops fence then gets hurt in their yard the parents can possibly sue them for any medical costs.

Besides, by 10pm most people have retired for the night and shouldn't be expected to jump at their neighbors beck and call over one kids ball at that time of night. The kid/parents can learn patience and wait til reasonable hours to come over and ask for it back/retrieve it.

[–]nclawyer822 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can sue, but unless OP was negligent, by failing to warn of some hidden hazard, they will lose.

[–]GaryLLLL 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That was my thought as well. These aren't strangers, they're your neighbors.

My backyard neighbors are a retired couple, with a fence around their yard. My backyard is relatively narrow, and despite my kids' best efforts, balls occasionally but regularly end up over the fence.

Because my neighbors are, well, neighborly, they have made it perfectly clear that my kids are more than welcome than to walk around and enter their side gate to retrieve anything that gets thrown over.

I literally couldn't imagine a situation where a neighbor wouldn't allow this to happen, but I live in a different part of the country.

[–]Mariiriin 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe in a situation where you have a dog and don't trust the neighborhood kids to not let it out?

Maybe in a situation where its late and night and you don't know if the kid is a robber or not?

Perhaps you're doing yard work and know you are liable for all injuries on your property if dumb kids parents decide to sue when he falls into your trench.

I can think of literally dozens of reasons why not to let children into your backyard even once, let alone on a regular basis. This doesn't even begin to touch if there's anything poisonous in the yard, the temperament of the dog, and it certainly doesn't let you have a semblance of privacy if some tween is hopping the fence regularly.

[–]Rollwithmykitties 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, I have two dogs and due to drainage issues I have a sandbag blockade against the only gate into my backyard and a basketball hoop of my own on the other side. The neighbors kids tried to get their ball back once and couldn't make it, if they lose something they have to wait for me to notice and throw it back over.

[–]brujahbattalion 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In another comment OP mentioned that these neighbors threw chocolate over the fence to try to poison their puppy. Just because you have nice neighbors doesn't mean everyone has nice neighbors.

[–]tuckmyjunksofast 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Post signs. Verbally warn them about trespassing. Install cameras viewing the back yard. If it continues you then file a police report.

[–]FlannanLight 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They already have signs posted and have talked to the neighbours about this.

[–]lauriah 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Can you or your neighbors get a net above your fence to prevent the ball from coming over in the first place? Our neighbors have this and it works really well.

[–]foochi04[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They've actually tried this, my husband actually helped them install it. But it didn't hold up to the windstorms we get out here so it got destroyed pretty quickly.

[–]Crobb 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Motion detector sprinkler aimed at where they jump the fence and than put tar on top of the fence so they ruin their clothes if they jump over. Other than security cameras and call police, don't listen to everyone saying to just suck it up. You already tried to be neighborly, don't let these people walk all over you and your property

[–]NBegovich 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is r/legaladvice, not r/adviceforkidswhoarestuckinaHomeAlonescenario, but I like your style.

[–]proddyhorsespice97 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True but if I was in this situation I wouldn't want the expense of adding the net and the neighbours kind of seem like dicks and probably won't pay for it either. Plus a net isn't going to stop the kids purposely throwing the ball over for now reason. Best bet is cameras to catch them in the act of trespassing then file a report.

[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (72子コメント)

I asked what she needed and she said she wanted the ball back that her son threw over. I said, "now isn't a good time, we will grab it for you in the morning."

Why would you tell them to come knock on your door, and that you would retrieve the ball for them if you weren't going to do what you said? How long could it have taken to retrieve the ball?

How often does this happen, and what is your main issue with them retrieving the ball themselves? Merely that it's trespassing? Do you have a pet?

You are welcome to contact the police on these kids if they trespass, but (a) they are kids, (b) they are your neighbors and starting this issue with them is generally not necessary and could make interacting with them more difficult, and (c) they are presumably only on the property for a few moments.

[–]malachi_23Quality Contributor 258 ポイント259 ポイント  (31子コメント)

The fact that it's past 10 at night, after dark, when many people have retired for the evening, and that the kid is jumping OP's fence to get to the ball otherwise, I think are reasonable explanations for "while I told you to knock to ask for the ball back, I'm not doing so at your leisure."

[–]no-mad 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People get legally shot for less than jumping over a fence after dark.

[–]foochi04[S] 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Thank you; we did not sign closing documents under the agreement that we would be at our neighbors beck and call. But it seems if we don't want any trespassers we are going to have to be. These kids will play basketball well past midnight and it's the most obnoxious thing in the world. But, I'm in vegas. Where cops have better things to do than late night basketball game breakups.

So that's where we are torn. Besides calling the police do we have any other option?

[–]MacSev 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is one situation where you're within your rights to pursue a legal remedy, but could probably achieve a better outcome if you chose to amicably work things out.

How about making an agreement with the kids-- "I'll promptly retrieve/give you permission to retrieve your ball if I'm home if you agree to stop playing after 9-10pm." Sign a new basketball with them as a token of your willingness to be neighborly or something.

[–]pacollegENT 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean it's not like they are doing drugs or causing trouble. personally I think you are just going to make this worse by blowing up about it.

[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't disagree.

[–]malachi_23Quality Contributor 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm interested in the layout of this situation that it happens so frequently -- I'm sure there's a practical solution to the problem. I'm assuming that if the ball is coming over a fence, the neighbors have the hoop up against OP's property and the kids are missing free-throws. A net of some sort should fix the problem, or tall hedges.

But if a neighbor told their kid to jump my fence right in front of me after I had told them to stay off my property, at that point any concerns about making future interactions even less pleasant would be moot.

/u/foochi04:

  1. Talk to the police, see if they'll get involved -- a chat with the neighbors at least and escalate to trespassing.
  2. Security cameras to document this happening, especially if they're jumping the fence.
  3. Check with code enforcement to see if they are violating code based on the placement of the hoop.
  4. Good alignment suggestion: Offer to help them move the hoop, even if it's not a code violation where it currently sits.
  5. Evil alignment suggestion: Every time you see the ball come over, grab it, deflate it, then toss it back over.

[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

at that point any concerns about making future interactions even less pleasant would be moot.

Well of course, and given the additional info OP provided, these people don't need to be accommodated. They sound like a house full of assholes.

[–]Idigwiththat 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's the tagline on the r/legaladvice movie.

"Legal advice: a house full of assholes."

[–]foochi04[S] 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (24子コメント)

I wasn't home and didn't get home until 2:00 AM and my husband was in bed sick (type 1 diabetic and having high blood sugar episode). We don't want them in our yard because if they fall and get hurt, we can be sued. Plus, our house has been broken into before so it's hard to tell in the dark through windows if it's a person getting ready to break in or a teenager retrieving their basketball.

We do have a puppy, which they were throwing chocolate over our fence and made her super sick. We talked to the parents about that one when it happened and that hasn't happened again.

[–]hugeneral647 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please add that they tried to poison your dog to the original post, that significantly changes things. Not even necessarily from a legal standpoint, but rather it'll give context as to why you don't want to deal with these people in the first place

[–]DeathBySnuSnuing 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I suggest maybe lots of mature cactus and lining your fences with them. It'll certainly deter fence jumping. Also you'll have nice flora. You can train your dog to avoid it.

[–]sheath2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Considering he knows the neighbor kids are likely to jump the fence (they have before), couldn't that be considered booby-trapping?

[–]DeathBySnuSnuing 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

With native desert plants? I mean plenty of folks recommend thorned plants as deterents to lawn trespassing. It's not like you couldn't see them either.

[–]sheath2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, it's Nevada, but it might depend on the type of fence. If it were a privacy fence, the cacti might not be visible at first, particularly if the kids are jumping it at night. I guess I"m picturing something like the cactus scene out of "American Sweethearts."

[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of those are good points. Fuck it, call the cops on those dumbasses, but be prepared for backlash.

[–]kittyjam 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add these points to your original post

[–]PoorRichtofen 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is it you can get sued if they're in your yard without permission? I don't get it.

[–]BlatantConservative 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh you have one of those app controlled doorbells, like the Ring Doorbell or something.

Do your neighbors know this? Because it could look like, to them, that you’re just sitting in your house and refusing to help them.

[–]High_In_The_Instep 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it could look like, to them, that you’re just sitting in your house and refusing to help them.

Ay 10pm? Lots of people are in for the night at that time, sleeping, watching a movie, playing a game. I wouldn't be inclined to accommodate a neighbors non-urgent requests at that time of night.

[–]foochi04[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We only refuse to get them after we turn in for the night around 10-1030. Other than that we get them if we are home. I usually choose to ignore them when they're knocking/ringing when we aren't home but this time since my husband was upstairs sick and incapable of getting it for them, I let them know it was a bad time and we would get it in the morning so that the mother would stop banging on our door.

[–]WiiSwitcher 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are backwards here. The neighbors are the one's starting the issue, not the OP.

[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nowhere in my comment did I say OP started this issue. I said it's not a good idea to foster a bad relationship with the neighbors, because regardless of fault or cause, it just isn't.

[–]WiiSwitcher 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the problem this is all one sided on the neighbors.
It is reasonable for the OP to say they will throw back balls when they see them or the next day, but they dont want anyone to climb their fence.

Normal neighbors would stop playing at 10pm at night and wait for the neighbor to throw it back over the next day. If they keep doing it then the neighbor can buy a net to put up or extra balls.

Either way, the OP is not doing anything wrong here.

[–]BiondinaQuality Contributor -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said OP did something wrong here. Help me understand why you are reading my comment incorrectly.

[–]allsenseaside 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perfectly fair but some neighbors are not the reasonable type, and these guys seem to fit that description. While fostering a bad relationship could lead to more nonsense from them, bowing to every request they make is just as likely to lead to neighbors that have absolutely no interest in respecting boundaries, which in a lot of ways can be worse.

[–]cinnabomb64 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have video proof that they are entering your yard. You must make a police report in order to protect yourself from liability. If you knowingly ignore it it strengthens their case if one of their crotchfruit get hurts and they try to sue. Also, please consider bringing your dog inside, it does not sound as if he is safe outside.

[–]foochi04[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh we've made her an inside dog! It's too hot here in vegas for dogs to be left outside! I'm going to file a report with the police today now that you mention what could happen if we don't. It's best to have a paper trail I suppose.

[–]Pirateer 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I understand strangers trespassing, and not wanting kids playing in your yard, but what are your specifics concerns about a neighbor hopping the fence for a ball?

  1. It certainly seemed like less hassle for all parties if you give a specific person permission to enter your property for retrieval.
    1. If those kids grow to resent you as teenagers, they may try to mess with you. Keyed car, damaged mailbox, what have you. It's not easy to prove, and a motivated teenager can usually finds ways around counter measures...

I don't mean to challenge your right to privacy, but it sounds like the parents are siding with the kids; they find you unreasonable. And while I personally disagree with popular opinion, the general public is more likely to sympathize with kids looking to get their ball back over a private neighbor - especially when you admit to telling them to wait a day when you were home and awake.

I keep playing a scene over in my head, where police respond to a trespassing call. You mention they jumped a fence for a ball, they mention they asked you and you told them to wait till morning... I'm sorry to say, but to most people you do not come across as the victim in that story, even if you are in the legal right.

[–]hugeneral647 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In one of OP's posts in this thread, they detailed how these kids tried to kill their dog. They have no obligation to be amicable in any way, shape or form to these shitty, spoiled children playing basketball past 10pm and being careless enough to throw it over a neighbor's fence.

[–]lostnvrfound 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely disagree with you. I was always raised that you don't ring on somebody's doorbell before 9 AM or after 9 PM. That's just general courtesy. I wouldn't be comfortable with kids coming into my yard, because when they are on my property and they have my permission, if they get hurt, it's my liability. You can bet your ass that if I was in charge of handling this trespassing case, that I would be teaching those parents and their children a lesson in not being assholes.

[–]abasqueye 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I totally agree. If you want to be a real asshole, you could just start hanging around in your backyard naked, or get a German Shepherd and leave it back there. That'd fix em. But the cops have to deal with murders and grand theft. They are 100% not going to care about these kids getting their ball back.

[–]nedstarknaked 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Because it's their property and no one has the right to go into it without their explicit permission? No one with a sane mind would sympathize with a parent who tells their kid to trespass. They need to put their hoop somewhere where their ball won't constantly go into their neighbors yard.

[–]nclawyer822 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. They may be well within their legal rights, but a neighbor who refuses to let kids retrieve a basketball inadvertently tossed into their yard, is not very neighborly and should not be surprised that the neighbors respond in like fashion.

[–]9554503312 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

call the police non-emergency line and report them

[–]superthrust 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They may try to break in. If they haven't already.

Security cams in your home too, hoping??

From my past experiences as a young hoodlum this is the type of things we would do if we were scoping out a house to break in or see what they had to steal.

The fact that they're in multiple rooms when there is only one ball over there is pretty evident of this intention. I would start calling the police in whenever they are over in saying that you have someone attempting to break in

[–]Smithers518 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You think their next door neighbors are going to break into their house?

[–]sirkimble 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It happens. Ball over fence as pretense to get a feel for the house; layout, valuables.

[–]Smithers518 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean I guess anything is possible.

[–]ParticipleDangling 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Might be a dumb idea but barbed wire could be a deterrent to further intrusion and if they get hurt they were trespassing.

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    That sign has absolutely no legal effect.

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    Would explain the downvotes, I apologize for my ignorance

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              [–]BiondinaQuality Contributor[M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'm inclined to agree with you, but rein it in and stop using insults here to get your point across. Thanks.

              [–]superflex -12 ポイント-11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Spikes/wire on top of the fence?

              [–]BiondinaQuality Contributor[M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              No. Bad advice.

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              Bad Advice. Mods should remove.

              [–]ado010 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              and probably illegal

              [–]MosDaf -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              To discourage them climbing over the fence, put up a bit of trellis around the top, so that they have to break it in order to climb over. At that point, climbing over would involve destruction of your property.

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                [–]SoveitBudgie -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Out of curiosity would you have a budget for a electric fence? Strong enough to to give a bit of a jolt but not enough to hurt anyone to seriously. (Coming from a 16 year old) Also maybe razor wire it might not look to decorative if you are the kind of person that likes to keep your yard looking clean and pretty.

                [–]sheepinblack 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Uhhh, yeah, no. Booby traps are pretty universally illegal, and if the razor wire is added in reply to kids climbing a fence at night, it would be really hard to argue otherwise.