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[–]sreaka 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Man, it's a bummer, we are seeing more and more of this, it's not a good sign, took years to get some of these vendors on board.

[–]bjman22 [スコア非表示]  (42子コメント)

There's no way that a development like this can be spun as being good for bitcoin. This is NOT good for bitcoin and I fear we will see more and more of this.

[–]sreaka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree, it took a long time to get some of these companies to accept Bitcoin, but fees have negated all of those accomplishments. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it sucks.

[–]terr547 [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Until UASF and SegWit get started, it will become increasingly difficult for large vendors to use bitcoin as currency.

The miners and whales are being incredibly shortsighted in making this so difficult.

[–]bjman22 [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

I support segwit. UASF, however, is a misguided attempt by a minority to force a change that will end only in forking themselves off the network.

It will NOT result in the activation of segwit. An extremely small (though very loud) minority of users with essentially zero hashpower CANNOT force a change onto the bitcoin network.

[–]terr547 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

UASF is the way forward. It WILL happen.

[–]bjman22 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

I have no doubt it will happen--it will cause a chain split and you guys will be forked off the network in less than one day. I can guarantee you it will NOT result in segwit activating--not unless you can get a lot more hashpower. You don't need more cute hats or reddit posts mind you--you need hashpower. That's the key.

[–]tcrypt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Once the bip148 idiots fork themselves off and sell their bitcoin for their bip148 coin they'll be gone and the people that actually give the network value will proceed with larger blocks.

[–]sharperguy [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

The whole point of UASF is to NOT need hashpower. All it needs is that the community of users supports it. I honestly can't think of a single reason not to advocate for it unless you think it will fail, which would be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–]koobss [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The whole point of UASF is to NOT need hashpower.

Please educate yourself, bitcoin is PoW and you need hashpower. If think you dont need it you chose wrong coin.

[–]btothefifth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Non-segwit blocks are still compatible with a segwit node, correct? If so, then a segwit node will always prefer a longer chain made of non-segwit blocks over a shorter chain which contains some segwit transactions. How would it even be possible to force the issue unless you require the first block after a certain time to contain at least one segwit transaction?

[–]STFTrophycase [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If every other node says the blocks the hashpower is mining are not valid, doesn't matter how much hashpower is mining them, they aren't part of the main chain.

[–]bjman22 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If you don't need hashpower, then you are not dealing with bitcoin. Of course, you need hashpower to make changes. Aug. 1 will show this principle quite clearly.

[–]sharperguy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Assuming 99% of non-mining users support the BIP148, but only 2% of miners support it, UASF will work and go through. Miners will be forced to switch to it or their mined blocks will simply be invalid.

Obtaining that amount of users however will not be easy, which is why there needs to be innovation on the side of coordination.

[–]bjman22 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Your 2% mining estimate is way too low. But, forget about the miners--I wish you luck in convincing even 5% of users to actually run a node with BIP148 implementation. You will be lucky if you have 1% of users.

Like I said, the whole movement reeks of sad desperation by people who should know better how bitcoin actually works. It will fail miserably--but it will first cause a chain split and you guys will be forked off the network.

[–]poorbrokebastard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hash power is the entire basis of what we're doing here. There exists no scenario where hash power is not relevant.

[–]terr547 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It needs to happen, and if we have to run that risk, then so be it...

But I am almost certain you are woefully incorrect.

[–]Pinguzor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But I am almost certain you are woefully incorrect.

Prove it.

[–]Logical007 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

puts fingers into ears and ignores logic

[–]ztsmart [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This is very good for Bitcoin. Bitcoin is NOT valuable because merchants Accept it. I don't want merchants to accept it. I want merchants to accept my shit-dollars, because I don't want them.

I want my goddamn bitcoin. I want to horde it in my cave like Smaug and swim in it like Scrouge McDuck. Merchants who are peddling their crap to me to try to get my precious Bitcoin are trying to scam me out of my precious money and they can fuck right off.

Only when merchants ONLY accept bitcoin because they have concluded as I do that shit-dollars are worthless will they be relevant to Bitcoin.

Hail Bitcoin.

[–]flyingfences [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I legitimately cannot tell whether your comment is serious or sarcastic.

[–]bjman22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I HOPE it's sarcastic, but I actually FEAR he is deadly serious--as in deadly for bitcoin if this type of idea continues to pervade the ecosystem.

[–]zdakat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

http://imgur.com/ieD0NDb

[–]dellintelbitcoin [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

In the future everyone will realise this WAS good for bitcoin. Using the blockchain for consumer purchases is wrong in the long run.

[–]jChristopherj [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

"A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments [of more than $1,000] to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution. [For smaller purchases, one must simply pay a one-time-but-high transaction fee in order to get into a payment channel. Once there they can then get free transactions.]" -Satoshi

[–]urbutt_redditor for 2 weeks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

-Satoshi

pbuh

[–]dellintelbitcoin [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Why do you link this? It seems to back my argument

[–]jChristopherj [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The original vision for bitcoin is a lot different than yours.

[–]dellintelbitcoin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Do you not agree that blockchain is a bad match for consumer payments?

[–]jChristopherj [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

For something as expensive as a computer, hell no.

[–]dellintelbitcoin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Allright so in 10 years time everyone should be verifying your PC purchase? does not seem legit. Anyway, this is pointless to argue about. Bitcoin is what it is.

[–]jChristopherj [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All miners should yes. There is no point in running a non mining full node unless you are a business.

"It is possible to verify payments without running a full network node. A user only needs to keep a copy of the block headers of the longest proof-of-work chain, which he can get by querying network nodes until he's convinced he has the longest chain, and obtain the Merkle branch linking the transaction to the block it's timestamped in."

"As such, the verification is reliable as long as honest nodes control the network, but is more vulnerable if the network is overpowered by an attacker. While network nodes can verify transactions for themselves, the simplified method can be fooled by an attacker's fabricated transactions for as long as the attacker can continue to overpower the network."

"Businesses that receive frequent payments will probably still want to run their own nodes for more independent security and quicker verification."

[–]alwaysAn0n [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hey dipshit. Go read the fucking whitepaper right now and don't make another comment about Bitcoin's future until you have done so.

[–]dellintelbitcoin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You morons last resort is talking about the whitepaper. I dont even.

[–]MetaSikander [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Would it be possible that satoshi didn't really understand what he was making? And that we still don't really know what bitcoin is? In the real world?

[–]toddgak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If the choice was Satoshi's vision or the vision of any of these other clowns, I'd take Satoshi any day.

When you look at the development progress since Satoshi it has all been iterative. Some good iterations mind you, but nothing transformative. A lot of talk mind you, but nothing substantive.

Pls Satoshi come back.

[–]DesertOTReal [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Source? I don't believe Satoshi ever said that.

[–]jChristopherj [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lol he didn't, what I added is in brackets. Everything else is the first sentence of the whitepaper.

[–]poorbrokebastard [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

THIS IS NOT IN THE WHITEPAPER

[–]n0mdep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just like the white paper says!

[–]Jusdem [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you had said that ~4 yrs ago, ppl would have outcasted you for being 'against' bitcoins overall development.

Interesting how times change things.

[–]CONTROLurKEYS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was never ready

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

It doesn't really make sense for people to spend bitcoin at places like Dell, when there's no discount compared to using credit cards. Why would you use an irreversible payment when they accept reversible ones (unless that's all you have)?

It's not the least bit surprising that no one is flocking to spend bitcoin at these sites. That'll remain the case until these companies actually view bitcoin as something they want for themselves.

[–]bit79 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Something they want for themselves... For what if there's no practical use?

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why would you assume there's no practical use? Maybe they have some employees who'd very much like to be paid in bitcoin. Maybe they could offer services to their customers who get infected with ransomware. And maybe they can profit simply by holding it.

[–]n0mdep [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fair analysis. Take the air miles/reward points for now.

For something like Steam, where kids might not have access to credit or debit cards, or cards in certain countries might not be accepted, Bitcoin has a genuine use case.

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I could see those people being willing to pay with no discount, because they really have no alternative.

[–]flyingfences [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not about getting a discount; it's about building an economy, an ecosystem in which a person can exist and live his life without being subjugated to the legacy financial system.

[–]jjjuuuslklklk [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think they still want to accept it. They just have a huuuge disconnect between customer service and who ever is in charge of bitcoin implementation.

I ordered a monitor from them, paid in bitcoin, and it turned out they didn't actually have them in stock. I got the email notification, and called the customer service dept (obviously somewhere in India) and they had no idea WTF was going on, they kept asking for the credit card I paid with, and didn't know what credit card bitcoin was.

Went up the chain of command, and even the supervisor's supervisor did not know WTF was going on. They wound up having to send me a check.

So I think until they can fix that disconnect, and be able to implement bitcoin refunds (I think bitpay makes it easy now), then bitcoin is out for dell. WHATEVS DELL, I'll just spend my bitcoin elsewhere until you get your shit together (I still love you, you make the best laptops IMO, please fix this)

[–]fpgaminer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I did not have a good experience setting up BitPay. Their test servers were very unreliable; I never got them to work once during the week or so I attempted integrating with BitPay. Their customer service wasn't too bad; they got back to me within ~24hrs each time I had to contact them. But I never did successfully integrate BitPay into my site. Now with rumors of them being owned by Bitmain/Jihan ... I'm not too keen to try again any time soon.

I haven't tried integrating Coinbase yet. As a user I've never had a good experience paying at a site that offered Coinbase. Coinbase always wanted me to login for some reason. Maybe that's a configuration option and every site that offered Bitcoin payment through Coinbase had it on, but ... it kind of makes offering Bitcoin payment pointless.

The other alternatives I'm aware of, for Bitcoin payment processors, are Braintree and Stripe. It seems like you can enable Bitcoin as option for either of them. That seems pretty nice, since it would also allow a merchant to accept credit cards, so they only have to use one payment processor for everything. I haven't tried to set up either yet. AFAIK Bitcoin is a bit of an experimental feature on both platforms. I'll probably try Stripe next, since I was able to find better information on them accepting Bitcoin and Braintree is owned by PayPal.

Just figured I'd bring this up, because when people complain about companies dropping support for Bitcoin payments or not adding support ... well, the ecosystem is hardly there.

EDIT: I should note that, supposing Stripe's Bitcoin option works well, it actually seems fairly nice. Again, it makes it easier to have one payment processor for both CC and BTC. But on top of that, Stripe at least only charges a 0.8% fee on BTC transactions ($5 max). Compared to, I think it was ~3% + some cents for CC. And no chargebacks, obviously. That's a pretty good incentive for merchants to offer it. So the landscape is perhaps not all doom and gloom. I just wish BitPay hadn't shit the bed.

[–]greencoinman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Reminds me of a few years back when this pizza place near me started "accepting" Bitcoin. They even had a "We Accept Bitcoin" sticker on the front door.

First time I went, the waitress told me that "Bitcoin was down at the moment." after asking her co-workers about it.

The second time I went, the waiter just straight up said he didn't know what I was talking about and needed to use cash or card.

After a month they took their sticker down and the owner, who was actually there the third time, said he stopped because "No one was even paying in Bitcoin."

[–]CONTROLurKEYS 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Surely not many people used it to justify support expenses because you know bitcoiners are the most heavy touch customers to support.

[–]BigBlackHungGuy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm sure the usage didnt justify the support cost.

But, Gyft and Egifter both sell Dell giftcards. Egifter gives 2% back in points.

[–]mferslostmymoneyredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Fuck Gyft. They make you be a registered Coinbase user in order to buy anything from them.

Egifter seems better, although for some reason you can't use Bitcoin to buy ebay gift cards, or at least doesn't work for me.

[–]fpgaminer [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm pretty sure Egifter started requiring coinbase ... at least I recall getting an email about it some time ago.

[–]mferslostmymoneyredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ysfus/egifter_has_reversed_their_decision_to_use/

[–]mferslostmymoneyredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not as of yesterday. I bought a couple of gcs on there and didn't use Coinbase. I just can't get it to show any way to buy ebay gcs with btc.

[–]MaxTG [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The nice thing about paying direct is getting the amount just-right. Buying a gift card requires some amount of pre-planning and pre-commitment. Maybe you change your mind, end up spending less, computed the shipping/tax incorrectly.. some of the gift cards can also take up to a day to arrive, so you miss out on sale/coupon deals.

It is definitely easier to pay direct, so I'm sorry to see this option go from yet another merchant.

This same forum celebrated each new addition to mainstream buying once. I miss those days.

[–]chrisrico [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Egifter, at least for the merchants I've used, allows you to buy gift cards in any denomination.

[–]Aussiehash 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

www.dell.com/bitcoin has been removed.

[–]surge3d [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At boostedboards.com bitcoin has been removed too.

[–]mferslostmymoneyredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's just not worth the trouble for them when like 0.0001% of their customers use it.

[–]gibson_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why would they at this point? The fees are higher than visa, the wait times are higher than visa, and the customer support is definitely more complicated than visa.

Scaling is THE issue, and all of the pathetic goalpost moving I have seen in this sub over the last few years is just giving up on what Bitcoin can be.

[–]chalbersma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The expected effect of killing off Bitcoin as P2P cash in favor of Bitcoin as a "settlement" only network.

[–]Bitcoin_Bugredditor for 2 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dell can make some headlines again when they restart accepting bitcoin. Win/Win.

[–]biladelph [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dell typically abandons any ship they don't understand, mp3 players, phones, tablet/laptop combos so not surprised they got rid of the bitcoin option.

Source: used to work for dell

[–]Kinitex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The domino's are falling

[–]firstfoundation 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

They're actually helping you not cash out. Hodl.

[–]CONTROLurKEYS [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Well the idea is you spend and rebuy immediately

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

We have no incentive to do that whatsoever.

Just leave your bitcoin where it is, buy computers with your debit/credit card. At least that way, if there's some dispute you have a chance to reverse the charge. With bitcoin you can't. If dell doesn't offer discounts, keep your bitcoin where it is.

Vendors still don't "get" bitcoin. They don't want it. As long as that's the case there will be basically no deal between them and bitcoin holders.

[–]chrisrico [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Just leave your bitcoin where it is, buy computers with your debit/credit card

Some people don't have debit or credit cards, or available balances on them.

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm sure. But apparently there's not enough of them for these merchants to maintain the infrastructure.

[–]chrisrico [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ok, but that has nothing to do with your quoted statement.

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I should have qualified it, "if you have a debit/credit card" - which I believe the vast majority of the intersection between bitcoin holders and dell customers do.

[–]bajanboost 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Overstock.com and Microsoft.com still accepts Bitcoin

[–]mferslostmymoneyredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's 2 better than 0 but still a joke.

[–]reddit-is-censoredredditor for 2 weeks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a bigger joke when you consider Microsoft only accepts it for "select digital items".

[–]gibson_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And newegg

[–]reddit-is-censoredredditor for 2 weeks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Actually newegg.ca stopped accepting bitcoin for what it's worth.

[–]baguette_french [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a shame, I miss overclockers.co.uk the most, but scan is fine for now.

[–]budroski [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No big dam deal! UASF will be like a dam breaking = everything will change, so these things are only temporary. Unless you support Jihan = you see the results and are happier every day that Segwit is delayed!

[–]SkillPlotredditor for 1 week [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is not a surprise. Everyone has been suggested not to transact BTC until after Aug 1. (or otherwise)

[–]soluvauxhall [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Do you need uncensorable payments to Dell? Didn't think so.

Bitcoin is digital gold, for hodling, not for spending.

[–]flyingfences [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin is a currency with aim of supplanting the legacy financial system. The bitcoin community was built out of communities of cypherpunks and cryptoanarchists. If merchants do not accept bitcoin then it fails that goal.

[–]jmw74 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dell might want uncensorable payments though - no chance of being reversed. But they're not willing to pay for it (offering a discount). So no deal.

[–]sQtWLgK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All Bitcoin merchants are scammers

[–]lagofjosephredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Boom. Never understood those spenders.

[–]Profetu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you know the meme with Leo? That in the future there will be no need to get out of Bitcoin? How do you want to get there?

[–]Paulthebitcoinerrredditor for 0 hours -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah so did Newegg, I think the problem with the software is the "miner fee's"

[–]fpgaminer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

AFAIK only Newegg Canada stopped accepting Bitcoin. Newegg.com still is.

[–]chrisrico [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, neither Dell or Newegg ever touched bitcoin themselves, they used Bitpay or Coinbase as a payment processor.

[–]bitsteiner [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just bought something there, not true.

[–]sunshinerag [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fee market .. Fee Market ..

Digital Gold.. Digital Gold

Cheaper transactions with bitcoin 2.0 ... upgrade now.