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⚠️ Trigger Warning! ⚠️U.S. Twitter Erupts Over News That Hillary Clinton Used Black Prison Labor While First Lady Of Arkansas (disobedientmedia.com)
whitedeer27 が 22時間前 投稿
[–]Tsurupettan[M] [スコア非表示] 11時間前 stickied comment (9子コメント)
Congratulations to OP, you did pretty good.
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[–]Bal00ga 476 ポイント477 ポイント478 ポイント 19時間前 (62子コメント)
funny how the first 4 comments were blah blah erupt blah blah. And not the fact that Hillary and Bill Clinton used imprisoned black men as house servants or is that just swept under the rug as just a southern democrat thing? There have been 50 democrat governors in Arkansas to 5 Republicans.
[–]Drake02 145 ポイント146 ポイント147 ポイント 15時間前 (1子コメント)
Man, Dixiecrats are the worst.
People in Arkansas have been saying it since the beginning.
[–]papacatfish 43 ポイント44 ポイント45 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Arkansas resident. Can confirm.
[–]Pisceswriter123 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 11時間前 (21子コメント)
Is it even legal to have people from prison used as house servants? It doesn't seem right.
[–]Zenstormx 41 ポイント42 ポイント43 ポイント 10時間前 (16子コメント)
Under the 13th amendment, slavery is prohibited unless it is used as punishment for a crime. It works the same way in how inmates are used to do community service, create license plates, and pave roads.
[–]Pisceswriter123 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 10時間前 (3子コメント)
Still seems wrong to me. I mean community service, license plate creation, paving roads and other public things are fine with me but using someone as a personal servant is not fine with me. I mean if the service from a criminal is used for the public good or something then that's different. Are there people trying to change this portion of the amendment? Are there people out there who have problems with this or at least have problems with how this policy is interpreted? It seems like abuse of the "punishment of a crime" clause.
[–]ruok4a69 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Servant to the governor might be considered "for the public good". Those people usually have paid servants, and using prisoners instead might be for the public benefit.
Just playing devil's advocate here.
[–]BeforeYouLeave 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
"People trying to change things. " ^
😂 look I am going to find the legal argument put forth by the State of California regarding prison labor. In essence they argue AGAINST releasing inmates because the STATE needs prison labor.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/c3795403bae1
California did indeed argue against expanding the early release program on the basis that it would deplete the labor force.
When someone tell me that there is no concerted efforts to give people longer prison sentences via the State, ALEC legislation or Police unions, I say they are either naive or willfully myopic.
[–]Zenstormx 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
It's morally wrong in a sense, but to the majority of the public it is entirely reasonable for forced labor to be used as punishment. Inmates in America are dehumanized and changing this portion of the amendment would be met with lots of pushback because of it.
[–]Ragnnohab 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
And aren't inmates paid like a nickel per hour so it isn't really "slave labor" per se?
[–]Zenstormx 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm not 100% sure all inmates are reimbursed for their service with monetary compensation. Along with that, not all the labor inmates do is completely voluntary.
[–]NegligentKarma -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4時間前 (9子コメント)
It's not slavery. They aren't forced to do anything. They do it because it shortens their sentence.
[–]drewshaver -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
They were forced into a cage, and then made to decide between more time in the cage or servitude.
[–]JDesq2015 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
They committed a crime, were forced into a cage, and then made to choose between the same amount of time in the cage or slightly less while also having to do house work. Personally, I'd rather prisoners do work detail outside the cage, in the almost-real world, rather than let them rot and go insane on the inside.
[–]drewshaver -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I agree with your sentiment, but my point was that most people locked away do not deserve to be (e.g. non violent drug offenders)
[–]RevelacaoVerdao 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Again though that is, as you say it, your opinion. At the end of the day a law was broken and they are paying their debt as a response to their own action. It is likely that no one forced them to commit the crime they chose to commit.
I like how my mother put it when she caught me in my younger years with something; "I don't agree with you, but I can't really be mad as your grades are great and you are doing well, but at the end of the day it is still illegal so please be careful." Opinions can vary, but opinions aren't changing the law set in stone (yeah, yeah barring laws changing etc. I know just simplifying it).
[–]Easytokillme 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
So who forced them to commit crimes?
[–]Ateist 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前* (0子コメント)
“The fact that you are free is not your achievement, but rather a failure on our side.” — Felix Dzerzhinsky
It's just that it is much easier to catch someone who stole $100 Iphone vs someone who defrauded the government of $1billion in taxes.
[–]oldfatslow 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
No one forced them to break laws which landed them in prison.
[+]fullmoon_coldbrew スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
Except, you know, the whole thing about victimless crimes and blacks being targeted at much higher rates than whites. Then you have the whole problem of wrongful convictions.
You're trying to distill a very real problem down into some retarded quip when it is a much more complicated situation than you're letting on.
EDIT: I see I've triggered the racists. Good.
[–]sparticusx -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/29/crime-law-criminal-unfair-column/70630978/
https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/06/06/how-many-federal-laws-are-there-again-n2009184
There is as many as 4600 federal criminal laws, 300,000 criminal acts defined by federal agencies and it's illegal to walk your cow down main Street after 1pm on Sunday in Arkansas. So just know all that slave labor isn't coming from people that would normally be "criminals".
Edit: I missed the forced part of your statement. People are coerced and threatened, and blackmailed all the time into committing crimes.....I would call that forced.
[–]3randy3lue 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
Perhaps the work is voluntary and has certain perks, for example access to foods they don't get in prison? I don't know. However, rather than any of us, who have no idea, deciding that this is somehow awful treatment of prisoners, perhaps the prisoners should get a say in the matter.
[–]NegligentKarma 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 4時間前* (0子コメント)
They get what is called gain time, which takes time off of their sentence. It works like this, when you're sentenced to prison your time is cut in half in the expectation that you will behave. If you're a troublesome prisoner, then they can add any or all of that time back on.
When you work within the prison system, such as the lunch room, barber, etc, you earn gain time which reduces the time on your sentence a bit. When you work at some such as the Governor's mansion, you get "emergency gain time". It's pretty much the top shelf of gain time.
Source: My father was a "productive citizen" that made a huge mistake and went to prison for it. Being an intelligent and professional white collar kind of guy, he ended up working in the Governor's mansion in North Carolina both for Jim Hunt and James Martin.
Edit: This is an extremely common practice, and it sure as shit isn't just black prisoners. That's just click-bait bullshit.
[–]username8911 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
They can actually legally be slaves as part of punishment for a crime.
[–]ACatWalksIntoABar 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
Apparently that was just a tradition they were following/continuing. Not that they should have...
[–]Germanytakeovereu 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10分前 (0子コメント)
Slavery is alive and well today and always will be till you actually realise your a slave to just like me. Eat work sleep eat work sleep eat work sleep
[+]DongleNocker スコアが基準値未満のコメント-28 ポイント-27 ポイント-26 ポイント 16時間前 (30子コメント)
In the past, Southern Democrats were only democrat because they rejected the party of Lincoln. Some time after the Civil rights era there were hatchets buried and things changed to how they are now.
[–]Bal00ga 64 ポイント65 ポイント66 ポイント 14時間前 (25子コメント)
Southern democrats were the slave owners, segregationists, and white supremacists. They hanged, burned, murdered blacks, and founded the KKK. To say they were democrats simply because they opposed Lincoln is sugar coating the truth. Sure there are some republicans that fit this bill but they were vastly out numbered by the democrats.
[–]DongleNocker 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 14時間前 (16子コメント)
I think you are going a little too far there, perhaps you are letting your own hate cloud your judgement?
The Southern Democrats, were democrats because Lincoln was a Republican, that is fact. After reconstruction when the white men were allowed to vote again, they joined the Democratic Party to vote against the republican carpet baggers that had taken power during reconstruction whether or not they were members of the KKK or not.
The KKK is a deplorable group, and a blight on the nation's history. Southern Democrats didn't "founded the KKK". The KKK was originally founded by former confederate soldiers, to hide their identities as they committed crimes against whom they felt were an occupying force that was empowering their former slaves.
Don't think for one moment that "Southern Democrat" and the "KKK" are interchangeable. Remember that it was a Southern Democrat (LBJ) that signed the Civil Rights Act and Voting rights Act.
[–]ikill3m0s 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 13時間前 (11子コメント)
Have you ever looked into how LBJ talked about "them niggers"? And I'm pretty sure you are cloud d by your own hatred of the history of the democratiKKK party. Sucks to have to deny history.
[–]DongleNocker 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 13時間前 (10子コメント)
LBJ was a very vulgar man, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. And it doesn't change the fact is that he black mailed all the Southern Democrats to pass it so he could sign it.
I guess I've been desensitized to the after listening to gangster rap and watching comedians like Richard Pryor, Chris Rock, and Dave Chapel to really be that shocked when I hear anyone say the N word.
[–]THExLASTxDON 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 10時間前 (3子コメント)
Wait... what? Listening to rap music desensitized you to old white men calling black people niggers? I only listen to rap music, for the past 20+ years, and never got desensitized to that. What the hell kind of rap music are you listening to?
[–]DongleNocker 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
It doesn't matter who says it, it matters what the context is. LBJ was born in 1908 in Texas. In his youth using the "N" word in his was like calling mentally handicapped person "retarded" in the 1980's. He wasn't racist, he just enjoyed using crude words. If you think LBJ's use of the N word was bad, you should hear his epic call to Haggar pants to get custom made pants.
[–]THExLASTxDON 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
It doesn't matter who says it, it matters what the context is.
I disagree completely. It definitely matters who says it. When a white person says it with an "er" at the end, it's completely different.
Also, my intent was not to argue if LBJ was racist or not, I couldn't care less (the Dem's rampant racism now a days, is what people should focus on anyways). I was just saying that it's kinda weird to say rap music desensitized you to old white people calling black people the n word.
[–]DongleNocker 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
That sounds racist when you are saying one person of one skin color shouldn't do or say something.
[–]Jortss 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 13時間前 (5子コメント)
Ok but the KKK still was largely composed of democrats haha
[–]KhaydarinCrystal 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3PTh3hUoAA0g9_.jpg
[–]Jortss 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Woah Woah Woah don't start bringing evidence in to this!
[–]oconnellc -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Why do you laugh when you write that? What conversation do you think you are having?
[–]KekGratiaRex -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
It really isn't a fact. They were Democrats far before the Republican party existed. The Democrats were the party much more favorable to lower tarrifs being the primary reason. That mattered to slavers who's goods were shipped.
[–]DongleNocker 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
You know most of what was produced in the south ended up processed in the mills in the north before it was exported?
[–]KekGratiaRex 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 55分前 (1子コメント)
You know that that isn't relevant at all, right?
I'm going to tag you as "doesn't understand tariffs or Democrats"
[–]DongleNocker 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10分前 (0子コメント)
If I cared about tagging people I'd tag you as "don't understand reality" But I'm not that petty.
[–]jrossetti 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 14時間前 (7子コメント)
It bears noting that the demographic of old southern democrats are modern day republicans.
[–]EliTheMANning 39 ポイント40 ポイント41 ポイント 13時間前 (6子コメント)
No, the democrats realized that if they gave poor people free money they could get votes. So today poor people are given hand outs that will always keep them poor instead of opportunities that require hard work but promise a brighter future. Democrats haven't changed one bit.
[–]Kaarous 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
Yep, Democrats are still the party of slavery. They just enslave people for votes, not cotton, and their chains are called entitlements and welfare.
[–]anthero 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
And real chains through the school to prison pipeline.
[–]jrossetti 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4分前 (0子コメント)
I would disagree. Im also really sick of people with your political tribes. Shocker, no ideology or party's right all the time. As someone who's 'a true independent nothing disgusts me more than seeing comments about dems attacking pubs and pubs attacking libs.
Every single one of you who is more worried about hurting the other team or picking a side are doing it wrong. Youre the problem :(
The democrat policy for social welfare is exactly why I had the freedom to take a risk when I was at my lowest and unable to support myself instead of being fucked and living in my car and unable to try and better myself. Those "chains" are the tools that I was able to use to give myself the personal and economic freedom I now hold today. Your problem is you look at everything as an entitlement, and for some people sure. I'm sure it is. However for most people we want a lot more out of life than the measly scraps you get from social safety. Those are there to help us when we are down. It's not enough to make a living off of or live the great life. The idea of the welfare queen is bullshit and pretty much non existent.
The social safety system is to help people who are down, get back up. To help those who cannot, so they can. I sure don't want someone leeching off me forever, but if my tax dollars can help someone's family who was down feed themselves for a few weeks or a year while they get their shit back together and go back to being paying members of society then I want that to happen. It's a tool and support network for when it's there. Not everyone has a rich parent to fall back on.
Education? We found that educating our GI's and paying for it brought us back 4 to 6 times more money than was spent on it. There's zero reason this wouldn't hold true for everyone else. But instead we do for profit colleges because one party would call it an entitlement and whine about their tax dollars being spent on it. Nevermind that an intelligent and educated country is one of the greatest things we can do for our mutual defense and well being. This shouldn't be a fucking partisan issue, but because of all of you who want your god damn tribe to be the best we have to deal with this shit.
I mowed lawns to pay for choir camp in middle school. I sold candy bars to pay for school trips in middle school. I had a job with a workers permit at 14, a paper route, and held a job steadily until I was 29 years old. Then I found myself without a job for 2 years in the middle of the economic collapse. I'm not a lazy person. Im educated. I have skills, and I work hard.
I was then on unemployement and due to having that "entitlement" as you put it, I was able to spend that time developing and starting my own business since I didn't' lose any unemployment unless I made profit. Well I didn't make a lot of profit that first year, but I was able to get my business up and running.
If it wasn't for those entitlements making sure I could at least survive and cover my basic needs I would not have had the ability, OR free time to try and take a risk like working for myself.
Now here I am five years later with 3 successful businesses. Two of which are six figure businesses. I have a stained glass shop opening right now that is in the works. I am also making almost triple the amount of money I was ever making before and the one fucking catalyst that started it was having a social saftey net to fall back on.
Without that I would have taken any old job paying minimum wage and would have been locked into a shitty job as a wage slave because I wouldn't have been able to take care of myself.
The elderly, the disabled, and the poor SHOULD be getting this kind of help. It's not fucking glamorous, it's means tested, and it's not generally forever.
[–]SilverL1ning 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
The problem is both systems are wrong. While you argue over this side and that side, people are gutting the country.
You compete with the world now, not New York vs New Jersey. It's New York $1000 a month rent, vs India/China $200 a month.
[–]Alphabetagencies 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Gee, who is responsible for inflation?
[–]jrossetti 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 22分前 (0子コメント)
You didn't exactly refute what I said.
[–]lipidsly 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
"Changed"
[–]Lowefforthumor -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
Lol glad you glossed over the southern strategy. The Republican party targeted disenfranchised democrats who were upset that the party sided with civil rights leaders and their platform. This strategy began with Nixon and Reagan perfected the it with southern evangelical Christians during the age of televangelists.
[–]DongleNocker 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
There was a political reset. As the grand children of the civil war generation died off, the southern conservatives moved to the Republican party. I'm not sure it was purely fueled by racism as you make it out to be. But, with the reset, each parties has started leaning too far in one direction and has created the huge divide and dead lock when it comes to compromise between the two parties that we see today.
[–]Lowefforthumor -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
As someone who lives in the South, race played a larger part than you're letting on.
[+]Moootooooooo スコアが基準値未満のコメント-26 ポイント-25 ポイント-24 ポイント 13時間前 (4子コメント)
I think most people don't care that an irrelevant person did something morally wrong when we have the president that we have.
[–]whitedeer27[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 13時間前 (3子コメント)
Muh Russia?
[+]Moootooooooo スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
The guy has run businesses that commit fraud. Trump university. I have no doubt he has sexually assaulted women. He is also a serial liar. He is hardly a paragon of morality.
[–]madsharter 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Reeeeeeeeeeeee
[–]Dragofireheart 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
[–]Florist_Gump 260 ポイント261 ポイント262 ポイント 16時間前 (17子コメント)
The Arkansas governor’s mansion didn't use black prison labor, they used prison labor of which some of the prisoners were black. A lie of omission is still a lie.
[–]Lowefforthumor 40 ポイント41 ポイント42 ポイント 11時間前 (4子コメント)
Guess they're gonna ignore Huckabee and Hutchinson have both used prison labor not just for groundskeeping at the governor's mansion but for changing out light fixtures at Arkansas high schools.
https://arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2014/09/25/prison-labor-being-used-in-several-school-districts
[–]iceleo 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
You could argue in this place that the light fixtures were needed for public benefit or something. As it was a public school but hers was a home.
[–]Lowefforthumor 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Yes, her home at the governor's mansion which is state (public) property.
[–]iceleo 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Ah good point. I guess it seems personal then but actually isn't.
[–]JobieWanKenobi 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
when she was there though it was being renovated and she and Bill lived in a double wide trailer out back
[–]viverator 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
According to CNN "Trump slams voting rights for felons, wants GOP to court black voters"
CNN and Hillary are best of buds, so they must think all felons are black?
[–]Voyflen 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
The South didn't use black slave labor, they used slave labor of which some of the slaves were black.
[–]whitedeer27[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 15時間前 (8子コメント)
Are you going to tell me the Clintons treated them like family next?
[–]dope_cheez 78 ポイント79 ポイント80 ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
Lol you sure don't have an agenda
[–]bwh520 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
This is uncensorednews. That's all they have.
[–]chuuuch -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
Why are we still here? lol
[–]Alphabetagencies 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
No one cares, leave, don't cry for attention.
[–]GracchiBros 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
The agenda of calling out the abuse of prisoners (who likely shouldn't even be there)? How horrible.
[–]tonitoni919 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
Guy has been redditor for 7 months. Wonder what happened 7 months ago?
[–]galacticengine 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
From his post history he probably hates darkies so I doubt he cares how they were treated. He's just here to make sure nobody says blacks were unfairly treated.
I'll go ahead and take my ban for "digging up dirt" here on r/NewsAnarchy
[–]stupidillusion -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm really disappointed that's not a subreddit.
[–]CaptainOktoberfest 177 ポイント178 ポイント179 ポイント 20時間前 (1子コメント)
I'm seeing twitter erupt over the Comey briefings.
[–]Cishet_Shitlord 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
That'll be the article later today or tomorrow
[–]bellingman 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
Comey... HEY! LOOK OVER THERE! SQUIRREL!
[–]KevinTheSeaPickle 152 ポイント153 ポイント154 ポイント 19時間前 (2子コメント)
Twitter could erupt over a fart.
[–]Chicken_Pine 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 18時間前 (1子コメント)
Twitter's eruption is always a fart
[–]KevinTheSeaPickle 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
My alphabet soup makes more sense than half of the things I see on Twitter. It almost makes me sad...
[–]Debasers_Comics 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 14時間前 (3子コメント)
This is a common thing in most states. Mike Huckabee pardoned at least one murderer who worked around his house as governor.
[–]stupidillusion 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
He had a murderer acting as governor?
[–]Debasers_Comics 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
BILL CLINTON KILLED TEH MILLIONS!!!1!!!
[–]stupidillusion 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Sure you're not rounding up?
[–]EatUnicornBacon 74 ポイント75 ポイント76 ポイント 16時間前 (4子コメント)
The book is 21 years old. How is this news?
[–]Goose31 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
I guess after 21 years someone finally purchased a copy.
[–]JAYDEA 52 ポイント53 ポイント54 ポイント 16時間前 (1子コメント)
Because people need something to point to in order to distract others from the drumpfster fire in the oval office.
[–]madsharter 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Muh Russia.
[–]dngn 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
The news story is about the Twitter reaction to this. So your question should be "why is there a reaction on Twitter to this?" And the reason is that 21 years is longer than many of younger voting-age citizens have been alive, let alone politically aware.
[–]devilsadvocate09 77 ポイント78 ポイント79 ポイント 20時間前 (6子コメント)
Did it really erupt?
[–]whitedeer27[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 19時間前 (4子コメント)
Full blown volcano.
[–]Clongjax 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 18時間前 (3子コメント)
Fucking Pompeii bro
[–]TheUninspiredSigh 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 18時間前 (2子コメント)
Watch what you say. They might Vesuvius
[–]anotherdumbcaucasian 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
That would be a truly Herculaneum undertaking.
[–]Clongjax 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
Well played sir.. well played.
[–]MosDaf 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
literally
[–]Thundar_The_Redditor 59 ポイント60 ポイント61 ポイント 16時間前 (3子コメント)
Hillary, please go away.
[–]BatbuckleyourpantsNorway 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
"Hillary, let my people go!"
[–]Puskathesecond 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
She did. She lost. Yet we're still hearing about her as if anyone gives a shit
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[–]swarmofpenguins -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 14時間前 (6子コメント)
Color has nothing to do with it. Prison labor is a form of slavery.
[–]TheTurtler31 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 10時間前 (3子コメント)
I don't get it though. Wouldn't it HELP prisoners to get out and work instead of just sitting in a cell all day NOT getting any help at reformation?
I don't get the issue here. They weren't being beaten and whipped. They got a job.
[–]Day_Bow_Bow 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9時間前 (2子コメント)
This looks to be 2003 data, but I doubt things are all that much better nowadays. It's exploitation, plan and simple.
Prison labor in the states Minimum wage in the United States, in dollars per hour: $5.15 Average hourly rate paid at a prison camp in Nevada: $0.13 Maximum wage paid to prisoner workers in dollars per day in Georgia and Texas: $0 Most prisons that pay prisoners for work have a range of pay depending on the job. Average of the minimum wages for prisoners paid by the states, in dollars per day for non-industry work: $0.93 Average of the maximum wages paid to prisoners by the states, in dollars per day: $4.73 Lowest wage reported, in dollars per day, for prisoners working in private industry: $0.16
Source with citations.
[–]userKname 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
Ok, but does the governor have any say over what those rates are? That seems like something that would be specified by a law.
From my perspective, it seems like a very standard prison work program. I think that prisoners should be compensated more much in line with non felons, but I don't think that, as Governor, Clinton would have the authority to dictate those wages.
[–]Day_Bow_Bow 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
does the governor have any say over what those rates are?
Governors have veto power over laws that are passed. So yes, if these rates are established by law, then the governor allowed it to happen.
Of course, this could have been bundled into some unrelated bill that they were under pressure to pass (like, say, a budget), and it comes into law that way, but it still passes by the governor for their final veto.
There are some exceptions to these rules that can bypass the governor's veto power, such as a the legislative branch being able to override vetoes if they have enough votes, but you'd have to look at specific examples to see if that applies.
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[–]squishles 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
Slave labor is wrong, those slaves also being black just adds some tangy spice.
[–]whitedeer27[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 15時間前 (1子コメント)
$0.02
[–]anormalgeek 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Three fifths of a cent.
[–]nairblizard 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
Prison labor's cheap. Plenty of governor mansions and state capitals still use them
[–]mrhooha 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 13時間前 (6子コメント)
This article doesn't really explain much here but to confirm a bias against Hillary especially with that headline. It said that they used prison workers but did not say they were all exclusively black. It only says she had made friends with a few African-Americans. Just based off this article it seems there is only half truths in here.
[–]whitedeer27[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 13時間前 (4子コメント)
Have you read the quote from her book?
https://i.imgtc.com/6r6EC2a.jpg
[–]mrhooha 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 13時間前 (3子コメント)
Am I missing something? No where in there does it say the inmates used were exclusively black. Only that she made friends with a few who were African-American. If the article is suggesting she was using prison labor and that the laborers were black suggesting there were no white inmates? Or they only picked the black inmates? Because that link you sent doesn't say any of that. Only says what i listed above. Again, what am I missing?
[–]whitedeer27[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 13時間前 (2子コメント)
Why must all of the prisoners be black for this situation to be problematic in the extreme on numerous fronts much less racially?
I believe you are missing the point.
[–]mrhooha 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 13時間前 (1子コメント)
Because that was the headline. The headline only references black prison labor. That is insinuating something racial is it not? If you want to make this about the use of prison labor in general then you wouldn't use a headline that reference only the black prison labor. The headline would read Hillary Clinton uses prison labor. And then we can talk about the use of prison labor a state to use for many things and if that is wrong or not. What am I missing?
[–]TheLastDudeguy 55 ポイント56 ポイント57 ポイント 19時間前 (14子コメント)
Well of course she did, she is a member of the KKK, and dear friends with its grand wizard Byrd.
[–]mightier_mouse 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 16時間前 (5子コメント)
I mean, you could argue it's not that bad as it was keeping with a tradition, and that prison slave labor is still widely used all over the USA (which it is), but she was still complicit. It's not some crazy conspiracy, I'm pretty sure she talks about it in her book.
[–]rhunex 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm pretty sure she talks about it in her book.
That's literally what the article linked by the OP is about. It's the very first sentence of the article. Publicly known facts in her 21 year old book, discussing publicly known events that happened 6-17 years prior.
[–]Bfeezey 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 15時間前 (1子コメント)
I guess all the slave owners could have just claimed they did it cause that's what people before them did.
Or maybe she just didn't "intend" to use black slave labor in and around the governors mansion. Either way she didn't see anything wrong with using slave labor.
[–]mightier_mouse 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Look, the guy above me seemed to be joking like he thought this was just a ridiculous headline. I was pointing out that it's not. I kept my very negative opinions about Clinton to myself. I in no way support the idea of prison labor.
[–]PooperToPinkhole 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 15時間前 (1子コメント)
I mean I've been to jail and I'd much rather be at the governor's house helping them do shit than cleaning the jail or farming. In Ocala Florida the jails send inmates to the farms in the Florida sun with that nasty fucking humidity. Rumor has it the judges have a big stake in the farms too. The whole system is fucked.
[–]moose_man 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
If inmates are going to be used as labor then they deserve to be paid. If that's too expensive then it's just more proof of the failures of capitalism.
[–]ghostofpennwast 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 15時間前 (3子コメント)
She also campaigned for a segregationist and was a pro segregation activist when she was a teenager
[–]Steven_Seboom-boom 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
someone downvoting facts they don't like to hear
[–]TheLastDudeguy 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
It is good to know others know the truth.
[–]stupidillusion 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I'd give her a pass on this; I'm very much now not the teenager I was. Hell, I was a very different person half way through college than I was a teenager.
[–]just_a_thought4U 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
That's not why, it's because Bill would never give her any. "She adds that most of the workers were convicted murderers and she became friendly with..."
[–]DutchmanDavid 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9時間前 (2子コメント)
You're aware that Byrd quit the KKK in the 50s?
Byrd later called joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made." - source
[–]LeSpiceWeasel 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 8時間前 (1子コメント)
He regretted joining an organization that was politcal suicide. SHOCKING.
Note, he doesn't say he regrets his behavior, or he regrets the choices that led him to joining, or even that his opinions on the matter on race have changed. "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."
Self serving, outward-facing, fake regret means nothing from a man who was still rambling about "white niggers" and actively fighting against civil rights til his death. Words mean fuck all when there is no atonement.
[–]DutchmanDavid 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Touché!
[–]victorfiction 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 17時間前 (1子コメント)
She employed murders. Shocked.
[–]Neo_Techni 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
Wouldn't be the first time
[–]Lowefforthumor 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 14時間前* (1子コメント)
I know this whole thing is meant as a hitjob to distract from another undisclosed sessions meeting with the Russian ambassador but that would imply that I somehow condone this slave labor. I will point out that this is common practice in Arkansas and other states and has been since the thirteenth amendment. It's flat out wrong and I hope it changes.
[–]Alphabetagencies 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
"May have"
We need more than "may haves".
[–]henrysmith78730 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
What other kind of prison labor is there in Arkansas?
[–]hate_expectations 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Interesting story but I was distracted by the ads with the 3 boobed woman
[–]salamislam79 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5時間前* (0子コメント)
You guys are sensationalizing something that was already pretty fucked up. It says she used prison labor, as was tradition for the governor's mansion, and some of the prisoners were black. It's not like Hillary went to the prison and checked the Negro's teeth before buying the biggest strongest ones for her house. Definitely don't agree with what they did, but: 1) It was already established as the norm 2) It wasn't about race, while you are clearly trying to misconstrue it as such.
But I guess you thought nobody would care if you didn't exaggerate it, huh?
[–]RaddaiAmbrosiousSwan 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Ok, so as someone who has been unlucky enough to be a guest of the Arkansas Department of Corrections I will tell you that on the inmate side this equation these types of jobs are coveted. I spent 2009-2012 as an inmate and, although certainly some things must have changed since then, these slave/servant jobs were an institution. For instance each unit has a Warden, a handful of assistant wardens and then below that the ADC has paramilitary rank structure that tops out at Major, (with a billet position of Building Major being the top of that particular food chain) Each of these wardens, asst. wardens, captains, majors and Building Majors have inmates assigned to them, sometimes multiple inmates, all of whom hold the job title of whomever''s "Boy". For instance, a Warden's Boy, or Captain's Boy. I always thought the title made it particularly fucked up, but prison sucks and I saw plenty of black inmates take on those types of jobs for improved living conditions (housing, food, etc.) This program is expanded in something called the Act 309 program which allows inmates who meet certain conditions to be housed at jails throughout the state where they essentially perform the same "Boy" jobs. If you're in a jail- or even court- sometime, look around and observe any inmates you see. Those people in stripes, or solid color scrubs, are either coming or going. Now if you notice some people in solid color t-shirts, probably tucked into blue jeans, pushing brooms or carrying around a spray bottle and a washcloth, those people (in AR- where the state still runs the prison- every state is different.) are act-309 inmates. They are easily the most sought after jobs. You may argue that it certainly seems morally dubious to use inmate labor as household staff for the governor's mansion. I agree with you. Even so, the Clintons didn't create that system and those inmates- whom are going to be in prison regardless of job assignment- had much better living conditions than most of the inmate population. The system certainly needs dramatic reform (rehabilitation vs punitive goals, etc) but that kind of reform IS never going to happen. Vilifying the Clintons for upholding an exant tradition seems like people are missing the point. If we don't want to use inmates as slave labor then what should they do? I spent three years on two different housing units ( E.A.R.U. and Q.R.U.) and in both cases I observed literally thousands of inmates crammed into overcrowded open barracks with literally nothing to do and no way to occupy their time usefully. After a year or so of that I would personally have wiped Hillary's ass morning, noon and night for a change of scenery. Long story short Bill Clinton is a white lawyer from Arkansas that became the Governor and he's not too bad at playing a good 'ol boy.
[–]s_o_0_n 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
So what's the problem? These prisoners had a chance to work outside the institution. Is it because they're black. So what.
Let's make an issue out of everything. Because OMG.
[–]bfwilley 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 17時間前 (7子コメント)
OH Oh OOOOH!
Her get out of jail free card issued by the media has just been revoked.
[–]an_internet_denizen 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 15時間前 (5子コメント)
Not surprising. We all saw how she treated black constituents during the primaries and the elections. She's an abomination and should never have been put up as a contender for the presidency.
I still remember her saying as Secretary of State that she would not run for President. She lied once, what's stopping her from lying again?
[–]carnetarian 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 14時間前 (4子コメント)
She's lied a lot more than once
[–]NiekischNorth Korean 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 14時間前 (3子コメント)
Every time she moves her lips, in fact.
[–]Decyde 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
No, she really does carry hot sauce around in her purse.
Vote for her Blacks and Mexicans!
[–]Elmattador 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 14時間前 (1子コメント)
Reminds me of someone else.
[–]mostnormal -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Your wife.
[–]seraph582 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Ole Teflon Hillary? Bullshit.
[–]MrVociferous 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
Don't strain yourself grasping for all those straws.
[–]Nergaal 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
That stuff reads like from the 18th century nostalgia.
[–]timefortimeforce 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I actually didn't see ANY mention of this on my Twitter, hmm I wonder why... /s
[–]jesuschristthe3rd 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
Put her in jail or don't, I don't give a shit, she's dead to me, Trump bots, stop talking about Hillary, she's irrelevant now.
[–]TheSpaceFish 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Who gives a shit...we use prison labor for everything today.
[–]DigitalMocking 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
No it isn't.
/r/titlegore
[–]IHave9Dads 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
FUCKIN KILLARY!!!! REEEEEEEE LIBTARD CUCKS CANT SEE THE TRUTH
[–]CasusBellyBell 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 15時間前 (2子コメント)
sigh
/unzip
[–]Neo_Techni 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 13時間前 (1子コメント)
Wait. You can't talk to that! I double dog dare you!
[–]VAisforLizards 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
I double dong dare you
[–]TapewormNinja 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
Man, fuck what "Hilliard Clinton did." They're still doing it now. In a lot of southern states. Don't make this about what she did or did not do, but what can we do about it today!?
[–]VoodooLabs 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
If I was in prison I sure wouldn't mind getting to go hang out in a mansion. Sit in a box vs vacuuming and wiping down windows in a big nice house. Boy oh boy I sure am outraged!
And to that end, prison labor is super common. They work on all kinds of shit for penny's an hour.
[–]WehOfTheGod 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 20分前 (0子コメント)
That awkward moment when it turns out that the Democratic nominee was a secret white supremacist .... I can hear the liberals screaming in outrage right now - assuming they are not trying to claim that is this some sort of fake news
....
Oh wait! I thought this was Uncensored News. Emphasis on the UNCESORED but as it turns out, she was using prison labor and some of the prisoners turned out to be black. Yet strangely this was left out. Very odd indeed considering what this subreddit is supposed to be.
[–]Germanytakeovereu 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 13分前 (0子コメント)
They dangle a criminal in front of the public as a candidate for presidency and people voted for the criminal. You people need to pull the wool away from your eyes and get her in jail but she won't go to jail as she knows people in high places.
[–]Yesofcoursenaturally 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Driving Miss Rodham?
[–]dahriteratin 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Every southern state uses prison labor. It's such a big deal that they made a very successful documentary called, "13th Amendment" and it's now one of the more popular reform issues. It's too convenient that this resurfaces the day Comey testifies. It's definitely a serious issue, but McCain tried the same, "but Hillary" nonsense today as well.
[–]amonkappeared 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
Funny timing, this revelation.
[–]moteingodseye 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
Not surprised at all. Only libtards would be I guess. BLM voted for her though.
[–]Dinglehoppus 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
TWITTER EXPLODES: 26 years ago Clinton released a smelly fart. Phox Nooz is live on the scene with this breaking development.
[–]just_dots 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
No, it didn't erupt.
[–]bernzo2m 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
What about the raza the people that speak spanish? Back in the day segregation was all around but some how black people have made it about them only. I have even spoken to black people that swear they were here first not knowing the history of the western states, or completely ignoring this fact.
[–]00_j3r3my_00 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I mean I've got nothing against slavery, but many chose to voluntarily stay in the cage or servitude.
[–]magisterium 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I think a lot of states do this I know Louisiana does. The prison does all the labor at the governors mansion. They make a wage though. After fine and whatnot are paid they get to keep the rest. You have to be a trusted inmate to do the job.
[–]user1688 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes slavery still exists, and it's perpetrated by the war on drugs, and results in mass incarceration.
Where's Lincoln when ya need him?
[–]liftyourheaduphigh_5 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
These mod flairs are gay as fuck. What are you 12? Lol.
[–]FThumb 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 54分前 (0子コメント)
How to save money
[–]Voivode71 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 20時間前 (1子コメント)
Sounds like a title from Yahoo.com again... surprised it didn't have the word, "jawdropping".
[–]CobaltPhusion 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
sounds like literally every headline on /r/politics
[–]CarnivalOfSorts 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 14時間前 (1子コメント)
Big, if true!
[–]whitedeer27[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Really makes you think.
[–]washeduphasben 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
That's fucked up
[–]JustwinTimberlake 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
u americans are special really :D your monkey president is getting buttfucked but you still try to dig dirt on the other candidate for no particular reason. OP arguing that we are missing the point because it is slavery in some aspect, but you forget that these people are fckin murderers who deserve to be treated worse than having the opportunity to work around a big mansion isntead of suckin off each other in the prison shower. u should be ashamed OP you guys really deserve trump and the shitstorm that is comming for you :).
[–]1ivetolearn[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9時間前 (2子コメント)
I've got nothing against slavery, but hypocrisy bothers me.
Honestly though, didn't Lincoln want to send the blacks back to africa where they could be kangz once more?
[–]someshwaguy 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
They were offered the opportunity to leave, and were given land in Africa to create their own country, called Liberia, but many chose to voluntarily stay in the country that enslaved them, and that will always hate them.
[–]1ivetolearn[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 17分前 (0子コメント)
For the majority of my life, I had never even heard of any of this. All I heard is that white people stole blacks and for that whites will basically forever be in black peoples debt. I actively spoke with black people about this, they usually are very hard up on the subject, unwilling to talk at all as it seems way too emotional or crazy aggressive about it in my limited personal experience.
Every black I've ever known eventually revealed themselves to simply hating white people to their core. I think it's generally in black culture. I seriously was in denial about this for a very long time, but I've come to accept humans are tribal and territorial.
[–]nerv01 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Well she should be in prison for her works later in life.
[–]NukaWax 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Isn't this old news?!?!
[–]Couldnt_think_of_a 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Well someone had to fuck her and it wasn't going to be Bill.
[–]douglas4321 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Blacks love her because they have internalized house niggerism
[+]chambertloUnited States of America スコアが基準値未満のコメント-31 ポイント-30 ポイント-29 ポイント 18時間前 (4子コメント)
Who gives a shit? They were criminals. They have zero rights.
[–]MaisieWilliamsVagina 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, that's not true. Criminals still have rights. Not all of them. But some.
[–]rahrness 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm pretty sure the Clintons still have rights
[–]whitedeer27[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
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