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[–]brainiac3397 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The mod is an idiot. That comment contributes nothing to the thread let alone the sub. Anybody with half a brain would recognize it to be content that does nothing but attempt to create drama by being a racist prick.

God, I hate these damn bleeding heart freeze peach crusaders. They're like religious extremists who are incapable of understanding the intricacies of their beliefs. Just a singular obsession with "freedom of speech" without giving a damn about the nuances.

There's nothing wrong with freedom of speech, but if you can't understand how it's meant to be applied and the exceptions inherent to you, then you're no better than the folk who oppose free speech. Freedom of speech comes with responsibilites. When the fuck did this kind of "liberalism/libertarianism" go from rational liberty to irresponsible do-whatever-the-fuck-I-want-and-not-have-to-deal-with-the-consequences? It's like an edgy teenagers interpretation of political theory has become mainstream.

[–]S_Jeru 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure why you got downvoted, generally I agree with you regarding both the original racist "joke" and the reply in the second sub.

This one gets complicated for me, because as a base, I think racism is racism is racism, regardless of who does it to whom, or what their respective skin tones are. That being said, I think racism is slightly more understandable in some cases than others. For example, I think black Americans can easily look at incarceration rates between black and white Americans for the same crime, they can look at employment opportunities, they can look at funding for schools in predominantly black communities, they can look at policies like "stop-and-frisk", they can look at political representation and redistricting, and they have marginally-more of an excuse to be racist against white people than white people have to be racist against them.

At the end of the day, people need to reserve negative options for the irredeemable. For example, I can sympathize with the posters in the second thread, because white people have done, are doing, and will continue to do horrible things to black communities. However, I don't agree with them, because not all white people are irredeemable. Saying, "white people destroy everything they touch" doesn't help solve the core problems, though I can completely sympathize with the fatigue and frustration of dealing with this shit daily.

On the other hand, encountering a nazi, or klansman, or some Richard Spencer ethno-state motherfucker, they are irredeemable. They contribute nothing, they have nothing valuable to add to the conversation, they demonstrably make life worse for everyone except themselves, and in those cases it's perfectly fair to say, "I can't stand anyone that pushes a nazi ideology."

Edit: This has gotten a little rambly, trying to discuss both the original thread, and what I agree with from /u/braniac3397. What I agreed with in his statement is that freedom of speech is fine, but it needs to be applied in a responsible way. In general, I think anonymous speech (with very exceptions) is destructive to the intent of free speech. There are very specific cases where people in the modern world need anonymizing technology, in particular journalists in repressive regimes, and people organizing protests and specific actions against those regimes. I'm quite a fan of Oxblood Ruffin's work with the cDc/ Cult of the Dead Cow, as well as Hacktivismo, and think everyone should read and re-read his article on RadioFreeEurope RadioLiberty about the nature of hacking, hacktivism, and human rights: https://www.rferl.org/a/hacker_oxblood_ruffin_discusses_anonymous_and_the_future_of_hacktivism/24228166.html

[–]Speckles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think context matters. For example, if I were to say 'I despise Wall Street', chances are low that you'd interpret that as 'I feel people in the financial industry are inherently problematic people' so much as 'I dislike the systematic inequities inherent in our financial system'. If we'd just been talking about how the subprime crisis screwed people over, the second statement becomes even more probable,

When I hear 'I despise white people', within a conversation that was about a problematic incident where white people were racist, then my read isn't that the speaker is bigoted, it's that they are frustrated about systematic racial inequities. My instinct is to toughen up, and offer sympathy.

[–]Strich-9 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

truly the end times are upon us

[–]Krasivij 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this sentiment, but why does this comment only show up when the "racism" is anti-white?

[–]Poop_McScoop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I feel this way about straight people sometimes

[–]AWeepingAngelsThesis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel the same way about men too. And I'm a man.

[–]rayray2kbdp -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's interesting how people who say they hate racism are themselves racist. They're really just hypocritical opportunists.