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Trump DramaSecret Hitler creators release a Trump administration expansion pack. A user in /r/boardgames is less than pleased with the censorship he is receiving for expressing his views. (self.SubredditDrama)

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[–]aplaceatthedq 177 ポイント178 ポイント  (26子コメント)

the downvote button is there specifically for things you disagree with or dont like

as if a million downvote icon tooltip texts cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

[–]AkortMy point, is no Jews invited me to worship Saturn 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Tbh has any sub ever used it differently?

[–]unomalyfuck you rick berman! 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Saw that thread earlier and tried to drop this comment but, yeah reddit says how up/down votes are supposed to be used in the TOS. Anyone whos been here longer than a week knows thats a pipe dream.

[–]hrtfthmttr 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not that it's a pipe dream. It's that "contributes to discussion" is an extremely personal and vague directive. If an asshole comes along and starts spewing anti-Semitic garbage in an argument about the morality of cultural tendencies to the financial profession, that is easily "contributing to the discussion," and I'm sure as hell going to downvote. Moreover, if my goal is to promote discussion I think is worthy, 90% of the time in 90% of subs I'm going to downvote ideas that I don't think deserve prominence.

The idea that downvote /= disagree is not about pipe dreams. It's about the definition of what you value. Good luck asking people to elevate what they specifically don't value.

[–]rosechiffon#buypurposeonitunes 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i personally downvote everything because it does not contribute to the conversation i have with myself about how naruto turned out amazing with the hand that he was given in life.

[–]GaryTheKrampus 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

More than a pipe dream, it's a straight-up bad idea.

If you the redditor choose to do "the right thing" and use voting to reinforce content quality instead of ideology you agree with, you're deliberately putting yourself at a disadvantage by giving those who disagree with you a free pass to make your content less visible by downvoting. How do you know they're going to downvote what they disagree with? Because if they didn't, they would be putting themselves at a disadvantage versus you. Reddit is literally a gigantic multi-million-player prisoner's dilemma.

The reddiquette is an absolute joke. The admins are betting that good feelings and best wishes are going to beat out Game Theory 101. Blows my fuckin mind that they even pretend to try.

[–]apteryxmantelli 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Admins are Liber-fucking-tarians with a capital 'L' who have this utopic vision of the site where everyone behaves with rational self interest and the free market means everything works out roses, which works until you realise that the site is full of fart-sniffing STEM majors, overly critical assholes and genuine white supremacists who are all so convinced they've got it all worked out that other viewpoints can shut the fuck up.

TL,DR: DAE le redditors?

[–]NehEma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Prisoner's dilemma 2.0

[–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

/r/drama will upvote anyone just for being a dickhead regardless of their political leanings. they're very progressive.

[–]HAHApointsatyou 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

upvoted

[–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

my phone don't spell good

[–]HAHApointsatyou 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

no i was letting you know i upvoted you progressively for being a dickhead regardless of your political leanings, but you ruined the joke now thanks a lot

also, upvoted again

[–]WorseThanHipsterI'm Cuckoo for Cuckold Puffs! 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

shit doubly fucked up ;_; 🔫

[–]HAHApointsatyou 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you can't do anything right

[–]BrokenBuckets 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The few subs that manage to stay agenda free do sure, namely /r/history and /r/science

[–]AkortMy point, is no Jews invited me to worship Saturn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Kinda true but those subs are also very heavily moderated. There is nothing wrong with that, it's probably neccesary if you want the discussion to be more than memes. However that kind of moderation don't fit most subs.

[–]Sphen5117nothing you just said didn't make me angry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sadly, hardly.

[–]Bofij 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Th downvote button is there for irrelevant information.

[–]aplaceatthedq 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The downvote button is there so you can make those memes on me_irl where all the identical posts in a chain are upvoted except one is inexplicably downvoted.

[–]dogdiarrhea 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Cat.

[–]AnimatronicJesus 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (4子コメント)

SIR? ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO CENSOR ME RIGHT NOW?

[–]JaneAngernice misuse of your semicolon, you blubbering simpleton 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

AM I BEING RESTRAINED?

[–]DominkoI DO have a 180 IQ and I have tested it on MANY IQ websites 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

AM I BEING DOWNVOTED?

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"What is your name sir?" "Diss Traction." "Distraction from what? Are you censoring me?!"

[–]Felinomancy 232 ポイント233 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know guys, part of facism is censoring dissenting views. You might want to consider that before reflexively hitting the downvote button.

As evidenced in Hitler's Night of the Long Downvotes, where dissenters of the Nazi regime were systematically downvoted.

But seriously, damn free speechers tend to whine the loudest at the expression of free speech. Guess what idiots, me slamming the down on your face because I don't want to hear you is also free speech.

[–]ScheherazadeX 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mein fuhrer! Mein freeze peaches!

[–]NimonicIs this flairable? If so, please... 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Night of the Long Downvotes shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. Hitler planned it all when he was banned, even as he wrote Mein Karma.

[–]larrylemur(✿☯‿☯✿) She said, "Ok, I'm impressed!" (✿☯‿☯✿) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If someone had just gilded Hitler's OC back in the day he never would have entered politics!

[–]threehundredthousandNazi divas need love too. 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You're the real Hitler." - Hitler

[–]TrangerIf you have to ask, you're a premodernist. 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 downvote=1 censorship

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Remember when Reddit even tried to act like downvotes were only for things that didn't contribute to discussion? Neither do I.

[–]shufny 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It kind of works on some subs, but it's very rare.

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The best I can think of is stuff like SubredditSimulator, where you upvote "good" simulations and downvote "bad" ones.

[–]AkortMy point, is no Jews invited me to worship Saturn 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but the content is quite litteraly created by bots.

[–]PenisdenapoleonIt's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, that's just a t_d conspiracy. /s

[–]BolshevikMuppet 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes it is. That's the whole point. Once a comment gets enough downvotes, it becomes hidden. What would you call that besides censorship?

A private group within a private organization being able to organize information and speech in the way they'd like.

The content is still there, all it takes is an extra click. But here we have the fundamental mistake of modern "censorship" discussion: it mistakes being denied a platform, a megaphone, owned by someone else for actually being censored.

And, no, it's not limited to asinine Trump supporters.

[–]shufny 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The ethical question could still be discussed regardless of legality, since there are a lot of self-proclaimed "free speech absolutists" parading that poor quote around. My bigger issue is that I've yet to meet one that bothered to form a coherent argument on how and why they get to exclude things like slander from "absolute" or what does "having the right" exactly mean to them.

[–]kingmanic 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's less a stupid view point as it is a tactic. They don't give a fuck about free speech, it's a tactic to fight moderation. Because they aren't attempting to shout into the void but instead shift the window of what is acceptable towards their end. Thus they spaz out at people who are are progressive or want to talk about social issues. Then they make it unpleasant enough so those people go away. They brigade, they use tiresome copy and paste rants, to take more of your time to waste it in petty fights.

Then they casual put out racism, misogyny, and hate. Over time lightly moderated subs becomes shit holes of hate and not going along with the new normal gets attacked.

It's not by accident that high quality subs need ruthless moderation, even there they push limits and try to get around moderation. It's also why they want hard rules so they know roughly how far then can push and bend them. It why they hate fuzzy moderation rules.

It's not by accident that subs like r Canada slowly slide into alt rightism and it takes a whole other center left metasub to push back.

A lot of it is coordinated off site and a lot of it goes back a long ways (usenet). It's not a recent thing but they've been especially successful at intimidating, exhasting or coopting reddit mod teams. Admins don't want to be draconian enough to fix it either.

[–]MilesBeyond250 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly I'm more likely to look at a post if it's been heavily downvoted

[–]PandemultGod knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know right? If it's hidden I want to read it.

[–]BloomEPUyour religious and not worth listening to 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love going to controversial to find the juicy stuff. I don't know why the site has a controversial tab if not for that.

[–]Aetolthings should work the way I misunderstand the rest of the world 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even reddit or the mods who are deciding to hide his comments. It's the community who is deciding they're not worthy of being seen by downvoting. That's not censorship, that's democracy.

[–]xjayrooxNote to self:stop wasting time with atheists, they're all trolls 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

BLOCKING YOUR EARS WHILE I SHOUT INSANITY AT YOU IS CENSORSHIP

[–]CranberrySchnapps 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvotes /= censorship

Yes it is. That's the whole point. Once a comment gets enough downvotes, it becomes hidden. What would you call that besides censorship? Its frustrating because the purpose of downvotes is to censor spam, or off topic comments. Unfortunately its used to attack dissenting opinions.

Ah yes, the "muh freeze peaches means you have to listen to me!" argument. Let's see how that works out for him...

[–]bkragsTakes flippant comments as an opportunity to lecture on wood. 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Freeze peaches at its finest.

[–]ZekeCool505Smuggest SRDine Alien Ghost Sorceror 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

TAKING AWAY MY MEGAPHONE IS BLATANT CENSORSHIP! THE ONLY TRUE FREE SPEECH IS EVERYONE LISTENING TO MY BULLSHIT ALL THE TIME!!

[–]PandemultGod knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AND IF YOU PROVIDE COUNTER ARGUMENTS YOU'RE CENSORING ME!

[–]NixflynDamage report 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So I kickstarted Secret Hitler and my edition even came with a Trump sticker pack to turn the Hitler card into Trump. This is nothing new. I'll be buying the booster pack too, it looks hilarious.

[–]lolpancakeslol 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, I thought it was the Libs and le evil SJWs that were offended by everything?

[–]ApexTyrantSubredditDrama's Resident Policy Wonk 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, I will quote something i was told years ago. If you are prevented from saying what you want under penalty of law that is censorship. If you are prevented from getting an audience for what you want to say thats not censorship, just an unreceptive audience.

[–]lasersnake 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

lol if downvotes are censorship then i just censored him a whole bunch of times

On a more serious note, whatever happened to being able to block people? I remember being able to do it in the past, but I cant see the 'block user' button any more.

[–]haxhaxhax1Does downvoting me give some form of perverse pleasure? 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its definately a RES feature. If I try to tag someone there is an ignore slider which blocks their content. Not sure about standard reddit.

[–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I recall, it's only available if they've responded directly to you.

Like most features, it was poorly implemented.

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[–]_Mr-Skeltal_thanks for the flair 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder why I'm getting this on the archive.org link:

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[–]tingeys 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you using a mobile app? It's given me that error before on reddit is fun.

[–]Aetolthings should work the way I misunderstand the rest of the world 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get the same error on desktop all the time (and yes, on both the links here). It seems to be a common problem with bot-made archives on archive.org.

[–]BiomilkBlowjobs are a communist conspiracy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Donald Trump with Mouths for eyes

Well I know what I'll be seeing in my nightmares tonight!