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[–]PackOfVelociraptorswww.overbuff.com/players/pc/Third-11934?mode=competitive 133 ポイント134 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time to get a public twitter comment removed for witchhunting.

[–]ProbablyCrits 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (6子コメント)

imo still a wanker

[–]VortexMagus 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, he's not doing this cause he feels bad or wants to change, he's doing it because he's fucking all of selfless over, not just himself and he only just realized it.

[–]OWTalvi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly.

[–]FareweII 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, i don't know how it is in other Blizz games, but in WoW if you had a long ban on your account you're not allowed to compete in their tournaments anymore. They only started doing it couple of years ago and there was a bit of drama around it because some teams were told that they're disqualified right when they arrived to the tournament and some of the people there just won Blizzcon a year before (well, and also because pretty much every single player was banned for boosting at some point, but only SOME had bans on their main account).

With this thing getting bigger and his name being constantly mentioned who knows what punishment Dafraan will get(and if he'll even get one) and with OWL coming up Blizzard might want to follow similar rules about players so Selfesss is taking pre-emptive action cause they might lose a player.

[–]TylerWolff 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remember when people were saying selfless should go to Korea and a few people said selfless were too immature/toxic to go to Korea? I thought that was bullshit at the time but I can see where they were coming from now.

[–]TISrobin311 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://twitter.com/MonteCristo/status/854005073692766208

MonteCristo was wrong - it wasn't Sinatra who was gong to cause an issue LOL

[–]HaMx_Platypus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He would have been an issue too

[–]yurik4ENVY FIGHTING! 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well if he retires from being a pro player he could give baseball a try. He must be wicked strong because not much people can throw this hard

[–]micktorious 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wicked strong

Found the guy from Boston

But seriously even when he says to stop trolling he is a total entitled douche about it

[–]hooligancat 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To anyone who thinks it's a fake account, it is on his Twitch page.

[–]smittyDXI'm just a Seagull fan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its also being followed by the official Selfless twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SelflessGG/following

[–]RisqBF 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, I really thought it was a fake account that someone here made trying to expose him or whatever.

[–]kaizerbbaJehong Fangirl <3 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Can I ask how old he is? Cuz he's acting like a fucking child

[–]A_CCsr: 4.3k 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Like 23.....

[–]leonardo_luke 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I though he and Sinatraa were about the same age!

[–]InvisibroBloodraven 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (7子コメント)

They both act like this all of the time. It is why their Twitch streams have a low viewer count, even though they are gods at the game.

[–]chriss_ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They both get like 300-1k viewers lol

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    [–]fu3ll 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Really? It is followed by Selfless.

    [–]MrDingleBerryJR 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow im dumb. His earlier 'haha baited' twitlonger and random tracer jpg made me think it was some dumb kid. Well i guess im not entirely wrong...

    [–]smittyDXI'm just a Seagull fan 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Anyone gonna mention how he told his fans to stream snipe Kephrii and throw? Dafrans an asshole.

    [–]8urgz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Wait what? I thought he was kephriis friend..?

    [–]eninrutas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Kephrii posted this a day ago.

    [–]8urgz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    On phone, tldr?

    [–]eninrutas 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    [Overwatch] Kephrii - Widow - The Kephrii & Dafran Special

    Published on 6 Jun 2017
    This video was from 15 days ago. "Kephrii, why do you upload old videos?" Because this was a great game!

    [–]8urgz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So you're just approving that they're friends? I thought you had evidence that they were no longer friends and dafran was trying to fuck him or something xd

    [–]eninrutas 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, I was just amused at the coincidence because Kephrii obviously had no idea that this shit was going to go down a day later.

    [–]smittyDXI'm just a Seagull fan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, well maybe its just friend's messing around but idk, seems a bit too far cause his fans might actually do that.

    [–]Nhabls 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just report him on twitch (that's 100% breaking the rules). Then he'll really be sorry

    [–]kkl929 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Like honestly,... does he think he is cool or smart? thats the kind of childish words i expect from a elementary school kid

    [–]krully37 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think so, I think he really is depressed and is in a state of mind of "I don't care, whatever", but I might be wrong.

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      [–]Ruft 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Publicly throwing games affects the reputation of your team? No way!

      [–]PIKOD 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So the one thing that really bothers me here is that he is calling the group that is throwing "Overwatch ISIS" I think that's just crossing the line a little bit. I can't get a clip of it since im not a subscriber but that's so uncool and i'm gonna boycott Selfless for this. He's a pro player and he's acting like that? come on.

      [–]Nhabls 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's hilarious man, can't you see. Juvenile idiot makes light jokes comparing himself and his tards to the group that is causing chaos in the middle east and destroying the lives of thousands. SO FUNNY

      [–]willfbren 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow, wasn't aware of that. "Overwatch ISIS" really?

      Jokingly or not, definitely crossing the line especially with what's going on today in this world. Maybe someone in this sub is in the military or has been effected by ISIS directly in some way shape or form. Not funny and disrespectful. Dafran trying to be the deadmau5 of Overwatch...

      [–]AnotherScoutTrooper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That's my main problem with this. Naming yourself after a terrorist organization isn't cool with me, and it matters more than throwing a game.

      [–]zelnoth 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just following in Taimou's footsteps. (Btw I really like Taimou, it's meant as a joke/reference to one of his TF2 teams, not bm)

      [–]BiggPapi87 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (44子コメント)

      Honestly this guy seems like such an huge bellend that I feel bad about liking selfless before.

      [–]katanalauncher 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      It's what happens when kids or adults without proper life experience put in the spotlight because they are good at video games.

      [–]alex046EFFECTCarryUS 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      These kind of people will fade out the way they came from as the game grows and as we as a community stop supporting assholes just because they have good aim.

      [–]Crownie 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I feel like the record of actual sports and other professional competitive activities speaks against that. People are happy cheer for actual violent criminals. I don't think they're going to be much deterred by garden variety assholes.

      [–]involving 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      That's true, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to condemn bad behaviour. The community is still young and its attitude can be shaped. The very fact that this sub is pretty angry about it all is a good sign that it is not as supportive of badly behaved but talented personalities. His fans can remain a minority.

      [–]Crownie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's true, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to condemn bad behaviour.

      Oh, I agree, they should be criticized. I'm just saying they're not going to go away. A lot of people like a winner more than they like a good person.

      [–]alex046EFFECTCarryUS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      People in Diamond+ games were #throwing4dafran yesterday. Minority as they may be it still sucks.

      [–]involving 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's really unfortunate, but those people will always exist. The best we can do is drown out their voices and encourage people not to think like them.

      [–]alex046EFFECTCarryUS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'd like to think as a community we're a bit more intelligent than your average American Football fan, but point taken.

      [–]-Jimbles- -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Karim Benzema is probably the current example, imo.

      [–]evinrudeallotrope 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's true, but they usually have experienced pr teams working on their behalf. This kid/organization isn't as large or as experienced. Meaning they don't know how to deal with the way he behaves as well. I agree that unless he changes his behavior he will fade away from the gaming spotlight. You can underestimate marketability and the more money that floods into professional gaming means there will be less room for people like Dafran. He may be good, but someone will match his skills and with a good personality will take what fan base he has.

      [–]Free_Bread 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Totally different communities though. We'll see over time if the eSports demographic will look past that kind of behavior.

      [–]Nhabls 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Actual sports punish retarded behavior within the game environment at least.

      [–]sombra_onlinemy teleporter is under attack 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, likewise. Loved the team, but his actions the past couple days and the fact that other pros are calling him out for his behaviors and he's acting like a child makes me feel a little weird for supporting the team now.

      [–]VGNPWR 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      They are very good OW players but there attitude is so bad for "Professional players". They are good players but nothing Professional about them.

      [–]VoidPineapple -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Sinatraa isn't that bad anymore, honestly watch his stream he's chilling nowadays. Dafran might have something going on tho so maybe give him the benefit of the doubt?

      [–]FiresideCatsmile 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      If a person upsets me the one time it would have a lasting negative impression on me like in Sinatraas case. That he's now 'chilling' is no positive impression to me, so I still dislike him. That's the consequence of bad behaviour - usually you have to make up for it. That's probably hard for a youtube streamer because what can they even do? Even more reason to behave in this position if it matters to him. He probably doesn't care that he's still being disliked after all so whatever.

      [–]He4rtl3ss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What did Sinatraa even do other than his annoying "Hello" spam and the occasional teabag that he does? I think a lot of people forget that he is still almost a kid with his 16 years. (maybe 17 now?)

      [–]VoidPineapple 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      People love to paint an image of a pro and never change that image.

      [–]VoidPineapple 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To be honest that's a terrible mentality to have. It just breeds hate, I'm not saying you should like every player now and I'm certainly not condoning anyone's actions, but you should be more mature in the way you view people, you give them a very small chance to reform and imo that sucks. Why can't the ow community just be nicer and take their time when making a judgement on a person. Like I said I'm not saying you should like every player now and I'm certainly not condoning anyone's actions, just be more open minded.

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        [–]A_CCsr: 4.3k 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (17子コメント)

        There might be deeper problems going on in his life.

        [–]Cranzia 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Looking out for others more then yourself is usually a sign...he could just be an asshole but not to people close to him though.

        [–]SuprDog 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        As someone that had mental issues that might be very well the case.

        But there are always consequences for your actions even if you are not "okay". You cant be a dick to everyone and fuck up constantly without consequenes. I know this very well.

        Bridges you burn are gone and it will take a lot of time and work to fix that shit again.

        Not saying he has mental issues or something similiar just giving my 2 cents. He could just be an asshole. Those people exist.

        [–]SNGGYUryujehong > your fave 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

        I'm not here to judge him, but being a asshole doesn't have anything to do with your mental health. He may have problems, I wouldn't know, but he's a professional that should know better. This is his career and you don't start doing shit to others just because you're depressed.

        [–]krully37 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        It kinda does tho, I mean he might have been an asshole in the past but not to the point he would do that. Now if he's going through some rough shit he can just be "fuck all of this" and just go full asshole. I mean, we're just assuming things right now but it's pretty safe to say something is happening if he just wants to throw (kek) his carreer like that.

        [–]jephositoXB1/PC 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Yeahhh thats not how depression and other mental illness work at all my dude. Not something you can easily control whether it affects your career or not. Obviously I can't know for sure he is mentally unwell, but judging based on all the signs I've seen I don't think its unreasonable to assume as much. He might be extremely bipolar, which is something that runs in my family and 100% turns a nice person into an uncontrollable asshole sometimes.

        [–]SNGGYUryujehong > your fave 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        I also struggle with a mental problem, I understand how this works, but you're not unconscious of your actions all the time. If you know you don't have control over yourself, you make sure that people important to you know. And you also make sure that it doesn't affect your social life as much as possible.

        [–]involving 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I feel like it's unwise to assume how much control he has or might not have, even though he does seem fairly conscious of his actions. Just apathetic. We don't know what he's going through, if anything. I do agree with what you commented above though - no matter what is happening, his conduct and attitude is not excusable. It is, however, possibly understandable if there is a deeper issue though, but we don't even know that for sure. I hope his org deals with him appropriately and that once he gets over the problem (whether it is an illness or personal issue or just a horrible, horrible attitude) he can apologise for causing trouble to the team he plays for and the name he represents, and to the community as well.

        [–]SNGGYUryujehong > your fave 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I wouldn't have any problem with it if he would come out as sincere about this, the people he played with didn't deserve to have a thrower, but he's young and could be very well affected by different factors. I hope things turn out well and Selfless as an org is not affected by this.

        [–]jephositoXB1/PC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yeah sure, that is what you SHOULD do, but not all mental issues are the same. He may be undiagnosed like a lot of other people and not even realize how bad he actually is. I think it's worth giving him the benefit of the doubt for now and seeing if he can change his ways. Hopefully all of this opens a dialogue with his org and he can get some help, if he in fact turns out to need it.

        [–]SNGGYUryujehong > your fave 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If that is the case, I agree with the last part. He would need it. I think an official announcement from the org about the situation would clear up the things a little bit.

        [–]DramaticaUnknwn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        CodeyNiku (#1 Sombra) threw and was depressed too until he got his act together and stopped throwing. Not excusing his actions but it can definitely happened and shouldn't be dismissed so easily.

        [–]MichaelWMS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Something bad could have happened to make him go off the rails like this. Hopefully not.

        [–]Applay 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        When I'm depressed, I usually turn into self destruction mode and break up a lot of friendships, delete social accounts, give up on doing stuff I was working on.

        So I wouldn't discard this possibility.

        [–]SolarSurfer0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I suspect so

        [–]Selfless_Brad✓ Brad (Selfless co-owner) 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (21子コメント)

        Yes, this is his real twitter and yes, that tweet is real and came from his heart. He and I had a chat this morning and I talked with him a little bit about the consequences of what he's been doing. I want to be clear, at no point did I say anything like write a public apology or you're fired, he came around to that mixed bad and good tweet completely on his own.

        Selfless has taken criticism in the past for putting up with the antics of some of our players, and I've said this once before but I'll say it again. I hate when people throw around the idea that you just give up dealing with people because they have a few character flaws. I don't know if anyone else has noticed the decrease in toxicity from a certain other young superstar on our team from when he joined 9 months ago, but people change - they grow and learn from mistakes all the time; maturity comes from experience not age. To the extent that dafran is willing to reform I'm willing to give him the chance, and he deserves to have it; literally all of us have been given chances like that in life from the people who love us and we come out better for it afterwards.

        And by the way I do love dafran. He's a far more gentle person here than most people realize. I remember when he did his 1v1 impromptu money match against Surefour and lost, both money and a little reputation. I tried to say something cheerful thinking hey maybe I should be encouraging, but the first words out of his mouth in response to my little pep talk were, "No it's good, Surefour seems so happy that he won and I don't want him to be sad." Little gems like this come out of dafran's mouth all the time, he's not a malicious person, not by a longshot.

        I don't condone everything dafran has done these last few days, and it sounds like last night's stream went off the rails more than usual (I haven't watched it). We'll be taking a week or two off, it's been constant stress and tournament mode for us since January. To anyone who was actually impacted by recent events, I'm extremely sorry and promise it's a work in progress.

        [–]luisporz 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Obviously is your money, your rules, BUT

        I think you're actually very lucky that blizzard seems to don't give a shit about competitive scene, since he should have been banned a day ago or even earlier. Or even worse, they could have taken any actions against the player in some official tournament etc...

        He might be a the best of lads in the end, but if you act like a 10yo kid for a couple of days in your official and public twitch, you must know the kind of shitstorm is going to come after you.

        [–]hooligancat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He's a far more gentle person here than most people realize.

        I'll believe it when I see it.

        If he doesn't want to apologize, that's fine. I'd rather he doesn't do a non-apology (especially as he does not give a fuck). I just don't believe he was this "gentle person" as you paint him as right now. This is just PR.

        [–]archangel1996Tank/Ana Main 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        And that's how spoiled kids become shitty adults. Lots of coddling, lots of excuse, not enough owning up

        [–]TISrobin311 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Not to mention Dafran is already 23......

        [–]True_Italiano 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        haha really? u/selfless_Brad made him sound like a naive 14 year old

        [–]Ayylien666FailFish -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Edgy.

        [–]UMPIN 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Psychology is edgy now is it..

        [–]Revelence 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Is English your first language? That 'little gem' by Dafran is passive aggressive as fuck lmao, he's downplaying a loss by implying that he let Surefour win.

        If that 'gem' is the biggest example of a redeeming quality you could come up with, Dafran must be an even worse human being than I previously imagined.

        Also, look up the definition of 'malicious', and tell me that a person who derives pleasure from making other people miserable via throwing isn't malicious.

        [–]MichaelWMS 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Or maybe he was just being genuine?

        [–]Ayylien666FailFish 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Your last statement depends on many variables, and isn't empirical. You're implying that you know his intentions when it comes to throwing the past few days, your implied assertion being "deriving pleasure from other people's misery". His intentions aren't verifiable from any other source, than Dafran himself. I think it's very disingenuous to claim that he has a malicious personality based on personal observation.

        [–]krully37 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nah but you can claim he's a dick.

        [–]OWTalvi 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That you have not one but at least two players who have repeatedly caused issues tells of a problem within Selfless concerning personnel. Saying that the last evening was a one-time issue/because of tournament pressure is disingenuous since we've seen him do similar things with smurfs/tilting in tournaments in the past (and other teams had even MORE pressure and didn't lose it). And why you wouldn't address a public response WITH him to make sure it is done right (and not 'from the heart', which is a joke) is beyond me - he clearly doesn't understand the concept of working with the public and actually sounding contrite about the issue.

        Perhaps its time to stop looking at the symptoms and instead address the issue itself - the Selfless culture needs fixing.

        [–]krully37 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't like saying it but at least that's something Riot would have done something about. It's a shame Blizzard doesn't give a damn.

        [–]wotugondo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Seems like some of the replies have found cause to criticize you, but I think this is the right tact to take.

        Your example is strange and maybe misleading, to be honest, but I also think that we tend to attribute to malice what is better explained by a lack of thoughtfulness - two very different traits. I think it would require a lack of thoughtfulness to in turn assume that Dafran is not a nice or gentle person because he chose to troll. We are the sum of our actions, in the end, but it would be silly to say what that sum is based off a handful of incidents.

        I can only hope that this time, being mindful of his impact on others sticks, as it didn't really seem to after the Project Dafran hubbub

        [–]krully37 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'll make sure to never watch any of your games or streamers ever again. There is a line you can't cross and he clearly crossed it, you didn't even take the time to watch what he did but you can clearly just come here and tell us who amazing of a guy Dafran is. As others said, you're very lucky Blizzard doesn't give a damn about this because he clearly doesn't deserve to be a pro player. Downvote me all you can, I'm not willing to forgive that easily. You're just giving the example that "you can be the worst shithead you want, you just need to know the right people, or to do like you're sorry afterwards so everybody act like nothing happened".

        [–]mintpomegranate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Sounds pretty serious!

        [–]Nhabls 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is really gutless and irresponsible.

        What a pathetic org you are.

        [–]Skuma9C9 is life~ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I for one am a bigger fan of selfless after reading this. In the EPL, Soccer stars do even worse shit (like criminal shit)

        [–]Alt-F-THIS 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        WAAAAH. This guy's crying because he has to be a respectable and responsible adult now? Dude, grow the fuck up.

        [–]smileola 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        What does that even mean?

        [–]SNGGYUryujehong > your fave 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        "I might get thrown out from the team so here's an apology for something I don't give a shit about."

        [–]Crownie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Selfless manager was going to take his phone away if he didn't shape up.

        [–]OWTalvi 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        And just a week ago I was flamed for saying that he and Sinatraa are toxic. And then not a week ago casters/analysts were saying that Selfless had an unfair reputation for toxicity. And two weeks ago, I was flamed for saying that this kind of behavior and toxicity would affect the team and their ability to get sponsors/paychecks. Why do orgs/teams not tamp down on this before he becomes a huge problem for them? The warning signs are always there and people are actually trying to help when they are 'flaming' them about their conduct.

        NO 'public' professional sport or job allows players to do this kind of thing.

        [–]mo_laoch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If I were to hazard a guess I'd imagine you get flamed because on a fair few occasions you have made unfounded accusations about players suggesting that they may be toxic

        [–]OWTalvi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "suggesting"? Nah, I only post after they've managed to do something really unprofessional.

        [–]IveMadeAYugeMistake 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Public professional sports allow this stuff all the time. There are violent criminals still employed by major US sports teams with much more money at stake. People get by with lackluster apologies for much greater misconduct. It's an unfortunate reality but hopefully E-sports and Overwatch are such new and small communities that we can excise stuff like this and set a precedent.

        [–]OWTalvi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I hope so. I don't want to play in a sport that is considered a joke.

        [–]InspireDespair 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Wait are we allowed to talk about this??????? /s

        [–]heresalama 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Could someone brief me on this? I haven't heard anything about this but I got curious

        [–]nnyn211 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        A certain someone purposefully threw on stream and encouraged others to do the same. He also called the throwing group "Overwatch Isis." No name or shame if you don't want to get deleted.

        [–]Twillzy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You haven't heard anything about it because every time it's brought up, the mods here delete said thread.

        [–]Desikz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Damm, hopefully he still does DPS Lucio streams, he showed a lot of skill and gamesense doing those

        If anything anything good came of out this is the fact Blizzard doesn't do shit about throwers in this game, the report system is a joke

        [–]Frzx 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        What the fuck ? A top caliber player being a complete douch ? Not a first. Having no sense of respect for his fans and his public image.. straight up idiotic. You get money to play this game PROFESSIONALLY but you can't be professional about what you do ?!!?

        I dont give a shit if he is some jackass IRL, play the damn game and avoid talking in social platforms and public events all around to hide how much of a doorknob you are.

        [–]OWTalvi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Which is all fine and well, until you get him on your team throwing and then you'll have a hissy fit all over the forum about it.

        [–]DramaticaUnknwn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ooooorrrr.... he can drop from the competitive scene too.

        [–]Kaeleea 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        This thread will probably be removed. The mods here don't know what they're doing. They have 'witch-hunt' labeled as against the rules, but they have no idea what a witch-hunt even is. Someone publicly streaming their own failure to observe the etiquette of competitive play and the community's response to it is not a witch-hunt.

        [–]PraisethemDaniels 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The mods here don't know what they're doing.

        and assuming what I do or do not know is juvenile at best.

        wat?

        [–]romhaja 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Did he get banned or something?

        [–]SaltyDub 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Can anyone explain what the situation is?

        [–]DanteXXL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He queued for Comp but then selected Torb and kept running straight into a wall then tabbed out to watch YouTube, VN, etc. for "fun". All was done on stream.

        Now there's an outcry because Blizzard are doing nothing, and whenever people in this sub mention the incident and his name, the thread gets deleted.

        [–]QueenOfStarsVarda 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (20子コメント)

        I really wanted to like Selfless and i really wanted to like Dafran when i first saw him play (luckily sinatraa is just a meh for a "pro") but i just couldn't, maybe if they stop new fans who are like me will like thwm but for me it'll take aa long time before i stop thinking about some of them as egotistic spoiled little brats

        [–]VoidPineapple 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Sinatraa is meh? Dude really?

        [–]QueenOfStarsVarda 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Oh he's definitely a good player, good enough tk be a pro, but on the pro tracer scene he is not close to the top

        [–]ImnotbrownTHE BILLDOZER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Yeah fuck that kresnik guy, he's a piece of shit

        [–]goudendonut 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        What did he do?

        [–]ImnotbrownTHE BILLDOZER 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Nothing, kresnik is a perfect cinnamon roll. I said it because he's generalizing. Even if you dont like the dps players on selfless everyone else is chill

        [–]QueenOfStarsVarda 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        One jackass can reflect poorly on the whole organization, if they want to avoid that maybe they should replace him, i never mentioned all 6 players, unless they changed the meaning of "some" to mean "all" im pretty sure everyone knows who i meant, as for the reputation of a team, its a sum of its parts and sinatraa and dafran are huge enough dicks at times to drag down the team name, even if other ppl do not deserve it, which is why orgs should sort things like these out

        [–]SNGGYUryujehong > your fave 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        unpopular opinion here: I don't think Sinatraa is that bad :(

        [–]OWTalvi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        The constant teabagging of downed opponents in professional matches is ugly. It's one thing to do it in casual and be a jackass - but in pro play, it's not funny, even if it is a private in joke among the pro players themselves.

        [–]MichaelWMS 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        People take teabagging way too seriously

        [–]OWTalvi -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        At a professional level, it promotes unsportsmanlike conduct that makes the game miserable for others. I'm not sure why playacting a sexual act is funny, so I guess I don't have a sense of humor (I actually get laid). So yes, it really does need to be taken seriously.

        [–]FiresideCatsmile 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Is camping a baby d.va to spread out the respawns unsportsmanlike conduct too? because I'm sure the d.va player feels miserable when this happens.

        [–]OWTalvi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's not throwing the game, now is it?

        [–]LOTTELION 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        just because you think its not funny doesnt mean it isnt. i partly like it for the reason snowflakes like you take so much offence by that silly act

        [–]OWTalvi -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Which kind of makes you a nasty person. :) But I'm sure you can live with it. :)

        [–]ImnotbrownTHE BILLDOZER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Me either. Especially if it's true thst he doesn't tilt in officials

        [–]Call9-1-1imonfireGrandmaster dreams, Gold tier memes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The perfect team is a team with 6 Kresnik's

        [–]Weird_Sun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nothing, he's sarcastically implying that you even if you don't like some of their players you still shouldn't blame all of Selfless. Seems to be feast or famine with them when it comes to their players' reputations.

        [–]snillominowicz -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        what, sinatraa is a god, look at their series against c9 in the latest omm, he was insane.

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          [–]True_Italiano 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Moments like these remind me that sadly the pro scene is largely a group of immature teenagers. (And before you flame me I have no idea how old Dafran is)

          [–]rqr- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I respectfully disagree. Sure, most pros are young and many are immature (which is expected at this age and being on the spotlight pretty much 24/7), but very few display behavior like this. Some will occasionally slip up and say unprofessional stuff but usually they understand why it was inappropriate or at least publicly apologize in an acceptable statement.

          This is just on a level that I've never seen before. It's so bad it's starting to hurt the Selfless org as a whole more than Dafran's reputation which was already ruined in the first place. How would you react to a statement like that if you were the manager? This shows a total disrespect for his mates and org.

          [–]True_Italiano 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I would've fired Dafran the moment he threw and the end of that pro match. Yeah they had pretty much lost, but the point is you go out there and give 100%. If you did that in pro sports, that would be an ultimate sign of disrespect and everyone would hate you. You'd be let go off the team immediately.

          Dafran is not the only player to get hit with controversy and act like a total idiot about it. This is just one of many. And every day there's some new rumor posted about talespin and taimou hating eachother. Or Misfits personality problems, yadayadayada. I just wish pro gaming took the pro part literally - "professional"

          It's your job, so shut up and get to work

          [–]Shovelbum26 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It really seems like pro-gaming is closer to being in a band than a regular job. The teams are small, you have to spend a ridiculous amount of time together in high stress situations. You have to deal with intense scrutiny all the time, and maintain an "image" for your fans in public.

          That's no excuse though. There are tons of bands that manage to be professionals and go out there and do their job for their fans. I just think it's an interesting context to put it in.

          [–]True_Italiano 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          that's a great analogy. But once you go from hobby to full-time-job, you become expected to uphold certain standards and responsibilities. Look at the way Lui left Envy. No drama, just a mutual decision that Lui's best options were elsewhere.

          [–]malinoskyT500 S1-4 (4530) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He's gotta make it look crazy enough that he can blame it on mental illness and bank on pitty points to still have a shot at a career.

          [–]nnyn211 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Someone said he was 23. I am honestly surprised, but I really shouldn't be.

          [–]TheNormal0ne 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What have i missed? I don't follow the Overwatch scene as much as i used to .

          [–]Goldfish1_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Dafran was streaming himself going on a Smurf account and throwing. People quickly caught wind of it and started to complain. A pro player shouldn't be able to get away doing this, and looks like he's not.

          [–]NitroFrog 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Is this guy okay? Like how old is he, 12?

          [–]KrzyDankusi luv shadder 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          23

          [–]legoman1237Platinum Extraordinaire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Double that age actually would you believe

          [–]AnotherScoutTrooper 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Time to stop trolling

          The time to stop was before you started, Dafran.

          [–]HowdyAudi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Was this kid raised by wolves? What a piece of shit. Holy hell man, learn some humility and what it is do be a decent human being.

          [–]veems_ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Time 4Head to 4Head watch 4Head my 4Head bois 4Head r/cow mods 4Head delete 4Head a public tweet 4Head

          [–]ByteHS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Does he think he's being a good person or something...?

          [–]FaptainFeesh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Can anyone confirm if that's his real Twitter? It's unverified.

          Nvm it's real. Official Selfless account is following him.

          [–]ConspicuousPineapple 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't know the guy but he sounds like a child throwing a tantrum.

          [–]wotugondo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well, he already knew this. Project Dafran, his little project for ranking up through all the lower ranks and wrecking noobs all the while, was shelved months ago against his will when, presumably, either his org or teammates told him that it was too frowned upon.

          Either this is more baiting, or he received an even more stern rebuke that shook him back to his senses

          [–]CoYo04 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ok, I'm lost. I've missed a lot of this story apparently. Can anyone link me to something telling me what the hell is going on? Or maybe PM me a quick synopsis.

          [–]Bentley214 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He's acting like a 12 year old, surprising to learn he's actually 23 years old.

          [–]nashfrostedtips 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This dude's shtick is really fucking tiresome. Very talented player, incredible tracking skills, but he gives off an awful vibe. People complain about Sinatraa (sometimes rightfully so) but Dafran seems so much worse to me.

          [–]Nexid100 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Wait wtf happened?

          [–]donaldblarmf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          reported for witch-hunting

          [–]OWTalvi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          And in other news, Selfless rebrands to now be known more accurately as Selfish.

          [–]Widdrat -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Seems like he is removed from the selfless.gg website. What a fucking loser

          [–]Weird_Sun 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't think he was ever there, though. He's not the only missing player - dhak is also missing.

          [–]zelnoth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Not even linked under streams.

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            [–]smittyDXI'm just a Seagull fan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Its not. The official Selfless twitter follows it, that should be proof enough.

            Stop fucking spamming you idiot.

            [–]OddinaryEuw 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's a real account stop commenting everywhere it's not. Look at who follows him

            [–]gingerzak -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            what did he do this time reddit? enlighten me please. not like you guys had some pretty bad moments in your lives

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