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Several political subreddits are donating to DEWORM THE WORLD - We must not be outdone! (self.CanadaPolitics)

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/r/neoliberal, /r/EnoughCommieSpam, /r/anarcho_capitalism, /r/Libertarian and, /r/drama are all donating to DEWORM THE WORLD - and now /r/CanadaPolitics has a campaign, too!

CLICK HERE to donate to DeWorm the World and see your spot on the leaderboard.

Hello beloved /r/CanadaPolitics user base,

In addition to being a group of censorship-loving politicos who can't handle unmoderated debate, we're also a really generous bunch, right?

With that in mind, we've jumped on /r/neoliberal's charity train in order to support "Deworm the World" (details below). Please consider giving and, if at all possible, giving enough that we wind up with the highest total donations. Think of it as a competition.

Are you a Social-Democrat or leftward? Now's you chance to show up some neoliberals and ancaps on the generosity front!

Fancy yourself a conservative? In that case, are you going to let a group whose political ideology includes the word "liberal" do better private charity than you?

Are you a neoliberal? Well, you're on this subreddit reading our self post and not theirs, so how about you show some damn loyalty and donate to our campaign instead?

In all seriousness, this is for a good cause as outlined below and we hope you'll consider giving if you can.

Our subreddit's campaign page can be found here.

Thanks for any and all donations!

While virtually nonexistent and unheard of in developed countries today, parasitic worm infections are endemic in many of the poorest countries in the world. These infections, known as soil-transmitted helminths (STH) and schistosomiasis, interfere with nutrient uptake, and can lead to anemia, malnourishment, and impaired mental and physical development. They pose a serious threat to children’s health, education, and productivity. Infected children are often too sick or tired to concentrate at school, or to attend at all.

Worm infections disproportionately affect the poor. They are easily transmitted in areas with poor sanitation and open defecation. Children are particularly susceptible. Parasitic worms exact an enormous toll on human capital, slowing economic development in parts of the world that can least afford it.

There are more than 870 million children at risk of parasitic worm infections worldwide, and schistosomiasis in particular affected more than 250 million people just in 2015. This is a disease hitting hundreds of millions people with devastating impacts, but also a disease the Western media and Western charities usually ignore, because the idea of humans getting worms is so foreign to our experiences.

GiveWell.org rates DeWorm The World as one of their top charities, indicating that donations to DTW have more impact per dollar donated than just about anything else. For details, follow the link above and see Givewell's methodology - GiveWell likely has the most in-depth, evidence based examinations of charity effectiveness in the world. You can also look at a summary of academic research proving the effectiveness of deworming programs here.

CLICK HERE to donate to DeWorm the World and see your spot on the leaderboard.

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[–][deleted] 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (15子コメント)

learns that there's a neoliberalism subreddit immediately subscribes

[–]ElCaz 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh man, I wanted to check it out, but that sub is 100% shitposts. They're pretty funny, but I definitely couldn't subscribe.

[–]alessandro-ON 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Their top posts are shitposts, but when the mods change the subreddit's guidance to "contractionary" (yes, it's a central banking joke), actual content gets posted.

(edit for hyperlink)

[–]warflaxMore Centrist Than You 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha! I Love it.

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah it's pretty lame honestly. I was expecting a whole lot better.

[–]kanadskiyI fought the farms and the farms won 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the comments are usually dece, but a lot of the memes are shit

But then again I actually like the thank mr bernke memes, so what do I know

[–]DiveIntoTheShadowsOrdoliberal Shill 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's in expansionary mode right now (aka memes); within a week or so, we should be switching back to contractionary mode, where we discuss policy papers and the like. The Discussion thread is also a good place to start a discussion. :V

[–]Liberal_Shill_2017Liberal 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same haha. There so many political subreddits.

[–]FinestStateMachineOn Error Resume Next[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there's a political ideology, there's probably a sub for and against it, and sometimes a shitposting offshoot.

[–]Curlybrows 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You're going to be really disappointed when you see it's actually just anti-Trump subreddit #638

[–]that-other-username 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jokes on you, it isn't!

[–]Curlybrows 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh huh

[–]that-other-username 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

nuh uh (scroll down to 'Contractionary and Expansionary Policy'. We're currently E X P A N S I O N A R Y)

[–]JaguarDSaul 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are currently in expansionary which means low effort upvote bait. Usually we are more cultured

[–]bitter-optimist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where does /r/CanadaPolitics rate on that? ;)

[–]Danchekker 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now it's in an expansionary period so it's mostly memes, but for people looking for actual discussions, there's a link in the sidebar that has several of them compiled in one place:

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/wiki/commontopics

[–]bitter-optimist 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had worms as a young man. I was miserable with GI trouble and lethargy for ages until the doctor ordered the test.

Mebendazole twice a day for three days. It was too expensive at the time for me -- can't remember what it was but a course in Ontario would currently be ~$50 -- so the doctor admitted me as a patient in the ER and billed the province as if I were in the ward.

I suppose it's time to pay it forward.

[–]alessandro-ON 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for giving generously!

[–]Jason_Cole 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I recommend everyone read this overview of what Deworm The World does. The charity is incredibly cost-effective and impactful.

[–]alessandro-ON 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so excited about this cause! I gave US$100. Other people should give, too! Donations to Deworm the World do literally dozens of times more good per dollar given than do donations to a typical charity.

[–]kanadskiyI fought the farms and the farms won 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

anarchocapitalism

$19

First as tragedy, then as farce

[–]Zep_RockoConservative unity 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're closing in on 3k. That's pretty good and better than this sub.

[–]0729370220937022Hayekian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, but mainly because of one big donation

[–]sashimiiLiberal 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not sure whether to donate via /r/neoliberal or /r/canadapolitics :'(

[–]FinestStateMachineOn Error Resume Next[S,M] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Show some damn loyalty and donate to us!

They have a multi-thousand dollar advantage anyways!

[–]kanadskiyI fought the farms and the farms won 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both?

[–]LlanganatiThe Internationale unites the human race 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I think most people left of social democracy understand that as well-meaning as it may be, a charity drive will never solve any of these problems. Lack of access to healthcare and infrastructure in the third world are direct results of intentional underdevelopment carried out by colonial powers in order to forever have a cheap source of labor and natural resources. Whenever a government in the third world has attempted to take an independent course, one which seeks to use their resources and lands to benefit their people rather than to enrich multinationals and private profiteers, they are relentlessly and without fail undermined or sabotaged by the colonial powers.

As long as we have a global economic arrangement that necesitates this sort of uneven development no amount of charity will solve the problem...

This isn't to say that the cause itself is not worth supporting or that not giving is better than giving, but if we really want to sustainably and definitively solve these issues, we need to look at the root causes

[–]MrDannyOcean 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think most people left of social democracy understand that as well-meaning as it may be, a charity drive will never solve any of these problems

we've basically eradicated the guinea worm, using mostly private funds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis

get learnd

[–]bitter-optimist 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was fundamental to the elimination of smallpox, providing the plurality of funding in the 1950s and 1960s for mass global vaccination.

Good can be wrought despite any economic system.

[–]MrDannyOcean 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes, good can come in many fashions. I agree. I was just specifically refuting the deeply wrong idea that "a charity drive will never solve any of these problems".

[–]CupOfCanadaDisgruntlement Intensifying 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hudson's Bay Company was pretty instrumental in the initial efforts to eliminate smallpox too FWIW.

[–]ChimoEngr 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

we need to look at the root causes

And parasites in the ground that keep people sick are one of those root causes. When people are spending all their effort in maintaining a subsistence living, they tend not to do much to improve their lot, because taking effort away from putting food in their mouths will kill them. This will reduce the level of effort they need to maintain that subsistence state, so will help with the root causes you talk about.

[–]exoriare 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

History shows that your analysis is incorrect.

Smallpox has been eradicated. It killed a third of a billion people in the 20th century, but a global health effort succeeded in eliminating it. We didn't stop when smallpox was confined to poor countries.

Polio is 99% eradicated. Same dynamic. Polio will likely be made extinct in your lifetime.

The first group that ever undertook public health campaigns like this was John D. Rockefeller's Rockefeller Foundation. In 1909, his Sanitary Commission launched a campaign to eradicate hookworm, which was endemic in the US South. Within 5 years they had cured millions of people. At that point they began spreading their efforts globally.

It doesn't get much more capitalist than Rockefeller, yet he blazed a path to show that disease eradication was entirely possible.

Charities can't solve every problem, but infectious disease and parasites offer one area where philanthropic efforts have been hugely successful.

[–]0729370220937022Hayekian 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think most people left of social democracy understand that as well-meaning as it may be, a charity drive will never solve any of these problems.

This charity is specifically for solving the issue of worms in developing countries, an issue which is immediately solvable and immensely impactful; currently this reddit drive alone has raised enough money to deworm over 12'000 children.

Obviously I disagree more broadly with your claim that there is vast global conspiracy to keep the poor impoverished and unhealthy — certainly, no colonial body stepped in to stop the development of Botswana or Singapore.

Your claim that "without fail" development of a post-colonial country will be sabotaged by multinationals and colonial powers seems more based in ideology and confirmation bias than anything else.

[–]LlanganatiThe Internationale unites the human race 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is no conspiracy, there is simply a mechanistic way that capitalism works and a way in which it replicates the extraction of surplus value from the worker within the metropolis on a macro scale by transfering wealth and resources from one part of the planet to another

https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/nkrumah/neo-colonialism/introduction.htm

http://www.e-ir.info/2016/01/13/navigating-nkrumahs-theory-of-neo-colonialism-in-the-21st-century/

There has been much written on the subjects of imperialism and necolonialism, to name a few other authors you might be interested in: Lenin, Du Bois, Malcolm X, Mandel, Wallerstein, Chomsky, Fanon, Sartre

[–]0729370220937022Hayekian 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am vaguely familiar with dependancy theory. My main issue with it is that it seems rather divorced from reality. From your first link:

Investment under neo-colonialism increases rather than decreases the gap between the rich and the poor countries of the world.

This is empirically not the case — despite rising inequality locally, world wide inequality is on a downward trend. The gap between the rich and the poor countries of the world is closing rapidly.

This was, of course, not the case when the vast majority of the literature on neocolonialism was written; nearly every writer you mentioned lived in a time where the gap between the poor "third world" countries was much more pronounced than it is now, and as the article notes, was getting worse. I would go as far as to say that "neo-colonialism" as a theory/practice was broadly true for much of the cold-war era. The great writers you mentioned were all, in this sense, broadly correct.

In modern times however the theory doesn't seem to apply to much of the developing world. Many post-colonial countries have enjoyed a large degree of economic success without much pushback from any establish "industrial" countries — indeed, the economic success of these former colonies has been widely celebrated by politicians and policymakers in the developed world.

The assertion that welfare states rely on neo-colonialist practices is zero-sum thinking taken to the extreme, and is backed up by nothing more than feelings and pretty prose. The same goes for much of the talk about "extracting value" and global wealth transfers.

[–]bitter-optimist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

in a time where the gap between the poor "third world" countries was much more pronounced than it is now

Deworm the World operates in Kenya, Vietnam, India and Ethiopia.

Here are those countries PPP GDP per capita since 1980, compared with Canada and Japan, prototypical highly developed nations.

[–]Move_Zig💀 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great. Now put that on a logarithmic scale (click the gear and select a log y axis) so as not to give people the wrong idea.

But using this linear scale and just eyeballing it, it looks to me like the gap closed considerably.

Say one guy made $1,000,000 per year and another guy made $30,000 per year. The gap is $970,000 or 97%. If the next year the first guy made $2,000,000 ($1,000,000 more) and the second guy made $1,030,000 ($1,000,000 more), the gap is still $970,000 in nominal currency units but the gap is only 48.5%, relative to their incomes. Even if the rich guy made $3,000,000 in the second year the gap would have been reduced to 65.6%, even though the nominal difference increased from $970,000 to $1,970,000. In fact, the first guy would have to earn $34,333,333 in order to keep the gap constant. That's why you use a logarithmic scale to compare growth.

[–]alessandro-ON 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's true that deworming children isn't going to cause massive structural change. But people disagree about what structural change is necessary—where you talk about decolonization, others will talk about structural reforms such as reducing anti-market regulations to increase productivity—and in any case it's difficult to see how we from outside poor countries could effect structural reforms in those countries.

At the same time, deworming is a very inexpensive intervention that we can realistically fund and that lots of research has shown to be effective. So I think the cause is worthwhile! But it is important to acknowledge, as you've helped us to do, that these small interventions won't on their own turn a poor country into a rich one.

[–]DarreToBe[🍰] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is highly misdirecting. Infectious disease can be directly challenged and the efforts of international organisations to tackle parasitic worms have massive positive impact. Doing so is one of the most effective ways for directly positively affecting somebody else's life in the third world. Economic realities be damned because the worm doesn't care. This is a problem we can solve.

[–]LXXXVIIIanarcho-syndicalist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The number of replies arguing with what is, in essence, a factual statement about the third world is fucking mind boggling.

Y'all motherfuckers need Fanon.

[–]kanadskiyI fought the farms and the farms won 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, where are the cold hard facts on that then? Where exactly is the gap growing pray tell?

[–]UmamiSalami 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, Canadians, thanks :) This is shameless promotion for r/effectivealtruism. Givewell's charity analysis was basically the foundation for the effective altruist movement. If you are interested in this sort of thing then there are many more layers of research, analysis and lifestyle choices to get involved with.

[–]Da_Devils_AdvocateYou Are All Wrong 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not to disrespect the cause, but isn't this post in violation of Rule 4?

[–]alessandro-ON[M] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Possibly. However, the reason we have rule 4 is to prevent this subreddit from being used to organize for one or another party or cause in Canadian politics. We put the rule in place because we didn't want this subreddit to have a political valence.

I don't think the cause of deworming children in distant countries is one with a strong political valence in Canadian politics, so I for one was not concerned about violating the spirit of rule 4 when I suggested we support this cause.

[–]SachyrielToken Anarchist | ON 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When they opened up this charity competition to other political subreddits they asked the moderators first.

If neoliberal dick-measurers asked the mods first, then it's probably got a waiver. But leftist subreddits told them to hit pavement.

Notice OP didn't link the threads for challenge subreddits for the challengers they mentioned, they just left it as general call outs.

[–]RegretfulEducationCivic Nationalist[M] 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If dick measuring results in children in impoverished countries leading better and healthier lives then I think it's time we break out the rulers, gentlemen.

[–]gwakslConservative | AB[M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

We're in 4th place! Come on guys pick it up!

[–]kanadskiyI fought the farms and the farms won 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not our fault we don't have an anonymous donor that can drop 2k in an internet pissing contest :(

[–]gwakslConservative | AB 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

r/neoliberal

George Soros confirmed

[–]kanadskiyI fought the farms and the farms won 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was the ancaps actually. Like 90% of their funds are coming from that one dude. Just like in real life Ancapistan I guess

[–]VassiliMikailovichWindsorite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ghost of Andrew Carnegie

[–]moosekayakBritish Columbia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hopefully none of you gave them your real name

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6ewdn9/how_i_ended_the_neoliberal_agenda_and_saved_half/

[–]0729370220937022Hayekian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That got fixed by the way

[–]VoltrondemortGreen Tory [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

... that comment thread gave me cancer.

[–]moosekayakBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean yeah, probably, I only read the top post because it's r drama

[–]MetaFlight(Market) Socialism or Barbarism|ON|NDP( 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

r/Canadapolitics mods are aware of a trend as soon as it starts on r/neoliberal?

What a shock.

[–]FinestStateMachineOn Error Resume Next[S,M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The /r/neoliberal mods messaged moderators in a bunch of political subreddits. We weren't even in the first ten to respond.

[–]PlsNoDoxy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello neighbors to our north.

Thank you for donating to kill stupid worms. Every US DOLLAR counts.

That said, you are currently being ETERNALLY BTFO by Russian Bots from 4chan and TD! Don't let your memes be dreams. Time to step it the fuck up!

http://i.magaimg.net/img/osx.png

[–]KanaproProgressive -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are we winning guys?