(cache) This. So much. : TheBluePill

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I'm just gonna walk away from this discussion for the following reason.

The biggest problem people have with me in this discussion is I'm oversimplifying the issue when my complaint is that this submission itself over simplifies the issue.

Yes, I agree, the majority of the time domestic violence isn't caused by mental illness but other factors like anger issues or control issues. But I'm not talking about a man hitting a woman or shoving her into a wall. I'm talking about legitimately insane things like the instances talked about in this post. "Anger issues" didn't cause someone to rape, murder, and hang a woman from a tree because she said "no". THAT was mental insanity.

"Control issues" didn't cause a man to hunt down two lesbians and shoot them in their home. That was mental insanity.

A conversation with those men about respecting women isn't going to stop the kind of mental insanity that leads to slicing open your wife's throat and then stabbing her to death.

And to say it's up to men to stop those aberrations and that their only weapon in this war is to have a polite conversation with the perpetrators? That's what I see as unfair. Unfairly simplified. But apparently there's plenty of people that agree with that unfair simplification . But I'm in the wrong because I'm over-simplifying the issue.

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For the record, I only downvote nastiness generally. I think downvoting a person because you don't agree with them is weak, and shows intellectual dishonesty (making them invisible rather than disproving their point)

Maybe it is because of my history that my measure for 'mental instability' seems to be a lot higher than yours. I do think it is important to recognise that there are people out there that are at the extreme, and I agree, talking won't stop them. But I don't think they are the majority of the killers. Nobody likes being told 'no', and nobody has been taught how to deal with it, so they get angry.

I don't understand the aversion you have to expecting men to speak up. It is one of many tools, it is not the only tool. Like when a woman says 'sorry, I can't' because she is unwilling to say 'no, goodbye' ...if your friend doesn't stop, tell him it is not cool, and that she said no. This is a double lesson, you teach her its okay to say no, and you teach him its okay to hear no.

Most of the worst things in history have been done because the majority were powerless or silent.

[–]Jealousy123 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)

I don't understand the aversion you have to expecting men to speak up.

I'm not averse to that at all. I'm averse to saying that men are at fault for "not speaking up enough" because violence like the one in this post still happens regardless of how much that individual does or does not speak up.

I speak up, yet I'm told I'm not doing enough because violence still happens and that I'm a bad person for not speaking up despite the fact that I speak up.

See why that could be considered kind of frustrating?

Let me restate it a second way.

I'm told that all I have to do is get other men to stop murdering women by speaking up. I speak up but women are still being murdered. I'm told it's still happening because I don't speak up. That's frustrating. Not only is the onus unfairly shifted away from abusers to normal men who don't abuse but even if the normal men DO try to help they're told that they obviously aren't helping because violence still happens. That's what this post represents to me and why I have such a problem with it.

There's nothing I can do. I speak up and yet I'm told that I don't speak up because violence still happens to women and obviously it wouldn't be happening if I, the individual, spoke up when I see something inappropriate. But I already do speak up...

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[–]Barneysparkyway past the wall 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 15時間前 (3子コメント)

Jealousy the study you've sighted is also used in the opposite way by the m ra.

If you read the entire study it includes slammed a door, raising your voice, forcefully holding down, slapping the arm as signs of abuse.

All those could be signs of abuse but on there own.... no.

The questioned asked ( and this was from a focus group) not that anyone pays people to be part of focus groups.

Has your sig other hit you in the past year. Has another person touched you against your will.

If I was a literal person as focus groups tend to be i would answer the question honestly. Yes .

There was that one spanking night a few months ago. And well I live downtown and I walk everyday.

Girls slap arms. At some point I learned that even though it seemed to work slapping arms and saying "oh dont" is just silly is a phase.

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[–]Jealousy123 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)

Here is the study I'm citing from The American Journal of Public Health.

What the study ACTUALLY asks is the following 3 questions.

(“How often in the past year have you threatened your partner with violence, pushed or shoved him/her, or thrown something at him/her that could hurt,” and “How often in the past year have you slapped, hit, or kicked your partner”) on the following scale: 0=never, 1=once, 2=twice, 3=3–5 times, 4=6–10 times, 5=11–20 times, 6=more than 20 times, 7=did not happen in the past year, but happened prior to that

and

Injuries from partner violence were assessed with a single question for the perpetration of injuries upon the partner (“How often has partner had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with you”), and a parallel question assessed the partner’s perpetration of injuries to the respondent

[–]Jealousy123 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)

Has your sig other hit you in the past year. Has another person touched you against your will.

Here is the study I'm citing from The American Journal of Public Health.

What the study ACTUALLY asks is the following 3 questions.

(“How often in the past year have you threatened your partner with violence, pushed or shoved him/her, or thrown something at him/her that could hurt,” and “How often in the past year have you slapped, hit, or kicked your partner”) on the following scale: 0=never, 1=once, 2=twice, 3=3–5 times, 4=6–10 times, 5=11–20 times, 6=more than 20 times, 7=did not happen in the past year, but happened prior to that

and

Injuries from partner violence were assessed with a single question for the perpetration of injuries upon the partner (“How often has partner had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with you”), and a parallel question assessed the partner’s perpetration of injuries to the respondent

And I guarantee people in this thread are going to latch on to that first part of the first question regarding threats of violence and act like that makes up 100% of the instances of violence and no man was ever shoved or had something thrown at them that could hurt them and no man has ever been slapped, hit or kicked by their partner, and no man has ever been left with a sprain, bruise, or a cut due to violence from their partner.

Also I'll leave this excerpt regarding the under-reporting I was talking about.

A meta-analysis of the reliability of the conflict tactics scale concluded that there is evidence of underreporting by both genders, and that underreporting may be greater for men,34 for more severe acts of IPV.

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[–]Jealousy123 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)

Perfect example of people downplaying violence against men.

And perfect example of people jumping to upvote something that makes no sense but conforms to their prejudices. Because the American Journal of Public Health is definitely not an authority on the matter and totally classifies "nagging" as "violence". So does that also count for when women are victims of domestic violence?

But really, I can't express enough just how dissapointed but unsurprised I am to see such a textbook example of denying that men experience violence and that they're just over-reacting to some "nagging", exactly like I said people do when I was talking about the statistics being under-reported due to the reports of violence not being taken seriously.

And I reiterate, it's also a textbook example of an echo chamber clambering to upvote some made up bullshit just because it agrees with their prejudices. It's like going into /r/the_donald and talking about how all muslims are dangerous terrorists who need to be locked away and kept from the good honest people of the world. That bullshit would get upvoted so hard.

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Here is the study I'm citing from The American Journal of Public Health.

What the study ACTUALLY asks is the following 3 questions.

(“How often in the past year have you threatened your partner with violence, pushed or shoved him/her, or thrown something at him/her that could hurt,” and “How often in the past year have you slapped, hit, or kicked your partner”) on the following scale: 0=never, 1=once, 2=twice, 3=3–5 times, 4=6–10 times, 5=11–20 times, 6=more than 20 times, 7=did not happen in the past year, but happened prior to that

and

Injuries from partner violence were assessed with a single question for the perpetration of injuries upon the partner (“How often has partner had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with you”), and a parallel question assessed the partner’s perpetration of injuries to the respondent

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Sorry, it was late when I was posting that and I forgot to include the source for the study I was citing. The American Journal of Public Health.

Also I'd like to know where War1412 got his facts because I didn't include a link to the study and neither did they. It seems like they just pulled some bullshit out of their ass that (Like I said happens) downplays the violence men suffer.

What the study ACTUALLY asks is questions like:

(“How often in the past year have you threatened your partner with violence, pushed or shoved him/her, or thrown something at him/her that could hurt,” and “How often in the past year have you slapped, hit, or kicked your partner”) on the following scale: 0=never, 1=once, 2=twice, 3=3–5 times, 4=6–10 times, 5=11–20 times, 6=more than 20 times, 7=did not happen in the past year, but happened prior to that

and

Injuries from partner violence were assessed with a single question for the perpetration of injuries upon the partner (“How often has partner had an injury, such as a sprain, bruise, or cut because of a fight with you”), and a parallel question assessed the partner’s perpetration of injuries to the respondent

And I'll also attach and interesting excerpt that addresses the issue we're discussing.

Our findings that half of relationships with violence could be characterized as reciprocally violent are consistent with prior studies.8,9,11 We were surprised to find, however, that among relationships with nonreciprocal violence, women were the perpetrators in a majority of cases, regardless of participant gender. One possible explanation for this, assuming that men and women are equally likely to initiate physical violence,20 is that men, who are typically larger and stronger, are less likely to retaliate if struck first by their partner. Thus, some men may be following the norm that “men shouldn’t hit women” when struck first by their partner. A different explanation is that men are simply less willing to report hitting their partner than are women.21 This explanation cannot account for the data, however, as both men and women reported a larger proportion of nonreciprocal violence perpetrated by women than by men. One might be tempted to think that men who perpetrate violence in nonreciprocal relationships are the traditional male “batterer.” However, the data were not consistent with this representation; women who were victims of nonreciprocal violence experienced less violence and a lower likelihood of injury than did women who were victims of violence in reciprocally violent relationships

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The bottom line is, if the only matter at hand was that if some guys are simply born insane and nothing ever contributes to their attitudes and there's nothing we could ever do to stop it, then that would mean 2 things: first, that the rates of these kinds of assaults would be consistent no matter where you go or what particular demographic of men you are studying. This is not true. And second, it would mean that women should also be doing these things at a similar rate. This is even less true.

And it's also upsetting because women don't have the option to simply say, "Well I didn't make the bad men do the bad things, so I'm just not gonna talk about it, it's not my business." We don't get the option of simply waltzing through life as though nothing is amiss because, hey, I'm personally a nice individual right? This is EVERYBODY'S issue, not just women's, and until more people see it that way, nothing is going to change.

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But there's a high chance that the guy will get upset, angry, sometimes really angry, and it's terrifying. And sometimes that anger leads to threats or violence.

The times I've said a blunt no to an admirer because they wouldn't take my subtle rejections, they got mad about 50% of the time and threatened me. Threats like "youll see me around bitch", "I'll be back for you" and "you're not gonna say no to me."

Or if they don't take the angry route, they take the route where they don't accept your obvious no and keep pestering you, getting more sexual and gross, and invading your personal space.

For every guy that's hit on me, 100% of the ones that accepted my first no ended up not being creeps. And a 100% of the ones that didn't accept my first no ended up being different levels of nasty creeps. And for me, about 60% of the time they don't accept the first no and just won't leave you the hell alone. You never know and you always wonder "will this finally be the one that snaps on me?"

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I don't worry about the vending machine tipping over and calling on me every time I go buy a snack from a vending machine.

Also just to be clear, you are consenting to that danger when you get a snack (or perform any other danger just by living your life.)

But if for example you don't want to, due to the risk... that's fine. It's no problem at all. No one is going to call you out for not wanting to go near vending machines.

The difference here is that you can approach a vending machine whenever you want... they don't come up to you and force you to buy a snack or choose not to buy a snack. You know what I mean? If women prefer not to engage men that ask them out, that's reasonable -- they don't consent to the conversation (so to speak) just by existing outside. If a woman doesn't want to risk talking to a stranger and facing backlash (murder isn't likely, but getting called a bitch/etc is), that's reasonable.

And then when women get victim blamed it's even more understandable ("what were you wearing?" "did you lead him on?") in a culture where sometimes even looking at a man or being polite can be misconstrued as interest and therefore leading them on, it's understandable that some women choose to just not engage them at all, in case they read something in her body language or words that isn't actually there.

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Let me tell you this-- /r/Drama is one of the most malevolent, cruel, coldhearted online communities you'll ever find, and even as a supporter of free speech it appalls me that Reddit would allow such a vile, festering hub of bigotry and sadism to exist. You think [slur]town was bad? That subreddit, if you pick up on the dog-whistles (and many don't even bother with that-- say want you want about Stormfront, at least it bans "n[slur]"), will reveal itself to you as Reddit's number one hub for the web's most hardened Nazis, Klansmen, Fascists, and Gamergaters. You'll notice on the sidebar that it encourages members to be as dramatic as possible. That's intentional. They encourage arguments in the comments section. That's intentional. You know the Three Minute Hate (it's from this underrated book 1985, give it a read, it's scary how much it parallels our society)? It's like that, they want to stoke the flames of reactionary rage so they continue to dogpile every progressive and minority who enters the subreddit, normalizing these evil feelings. They brigade from subreddit to subreddit, having an entire cabal of mods spanning hundreds of communities, gaslighting lived experiences of the oppressed and unashamedly bolstering Reddit's homegrown white supremacy movement. They've kink-shamed hundreds of people too, some even... to death. I fear that /r/drama may be producing an entire army of Dylann Roofs and Elliot Rogers, and I highly suggest that nobody dares visit that horrible subreddit, lest you potentially fall victim to its corruptive aura.

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such as divorce rapes

lol

Murder isn't likely, but assault or verbal harassment is.

How many guys on TRP say "oh that girl was totally giving me fuck-me eyes"? And then they end up not fucking her? I wonder why that is.

Sometimes just looking at a guy can give him the wrong impression (usually because they're delusional) and then women get blamed if they get harassed "but you led him on!" lol, fuck off.

What I'm saying here is it's reasonable for women to avoid angering a guy or even engaging with him at all, she'll get shit from one side either way "be more direct!" or "you should have been more careful!" might as well err on the side of caution.

Women aren't really afraid of getting murdered, but they are afraid of getting cussed at/groped/followed/harassed/bullied/cornered/showing the slightest bit of interest just in case she gets blamed for harassment later.

[–]dunker741 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)

The post didn't mention anything about harassment or bully, not one word or example involving that. It literally tried to make out all or most men to be potential murderous predators, and it pinned the blame on all men for the actions of a few. This is the same logic Trump supporters use to say that one time we let Muslims in and there was a terrorist attack so therefore Islam is bad. Very few Muslims are truly terrorists just like very few men are murderous. And this is why there is such a backlash to feminism. You claim to be against generalizing and stereotyping but you have no problem subjegating all men to the very same dangerous generalizations. You are absolutely as much of a part of the problem as any other politcal group, you use the exact same methods of discrimination and fear mongering. And the only difference is you do it towards a different group of people.

[–]the_shiny_guru 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 37分前 (1子コメント)

The post didn't mention anything about harassment or bully, not one word or example involving that.

Yeah I know. I brought it up because it fits with the theme.

IMO the post is dramatized and this is what women are really worried about -- not murder, but all these other potentials. The post is hyperbole about a more realistic problem, or that's how I took it.

It literally tried to make out all or most men to be potential murderous predators

Nope. Avoiding being direct with men on the slim chance that they're crazy doesn't mean you think all men are crazy, it just means that you're not willing to take the risk.

This is the same logic Trump supporters use to say that one time we let Muslims in and there was a terrorist attack so therefore Islam is bad.

And this comparison is ridiculous. No, it's not the same. Women don't want men removed from the country, they just want to be able to walk past them on the streets without having to say "sorry, I don't want to have sex with you," without facing shit for it.

You claim to be against generalizing and stereotyping but you have no problem subjegating all men to the very same dangerous generalizations.

Yeah I wouldn't blame men either if a woman came onto him on the street and he walked away, not sure what your issue is. No one is generalizing men, just pointing out that women have to be afraid for their health or safety sometimes. Asking women to pretend that rape/murder/harassment doesn't exist so as to not make men feel bad, is really, really dumb.

And the only difference is you do it towards a different group of people.

But not at all since no one said "all men" or "most men" they just said -- this happens sometimes. It's okay for women to be nervous.

and it pinned the blame on all men for the actions of a few.

THOUGH, I agree with you here. That part of the post is stupid.

I think it wouldn't hurt if we educated people that they weren't entitled to you know... other people though. There is definitely an issue where certain men DO feel entitled to a woman as a prize for just existing, and teaching everyone that no one is owed a girlfriend or boyfriend for just existing would probably cut down on that, and maybe instances of women freaking out over rejection too.

That bit where they said "teach other men not to murder" is really stupid though. I agree. It's never anyone else's fault than the murderer -- but I think the real message to take away here is "Don't feel bad when a woman doesn't reply, because she's doing that for her safety, just in case something goes wrong," but he's not entitled to a reply anyway so he shouldn't be so bent out of shape in the first place.

Anyway I think you're just getting the wrong messages. It's making a point more than it is actually blaming men -- saying women want to protect themselves so maybe don't give them so much shit for it, is really not controversial or sexist against men at all.

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sorry, I don't want to have sex with you," without facing shit for it.

Uh, not only do we agree on that, but that's literally what we're asking for. Just say "sorry, I don't want to have sex with you" instead of playing games about it.

Asking women to pretend that rape/murder/harassment doesn't exist so as to not make men feel bad, is really, really dumb.

That's ironic considering all the statistics show men are far more likely to be victims of nearly every type of violent crime than women. And before you say it's ok when it happens to men because men are mostly the perpetrators, consider how when Trump supporters make the argument against BLM because well, most black deaths come from black on black crime, they are called out for being racist bigots. Again, you use the same methods of discrimination and you only consider it acceptable because it's done towards men and not minority grouos.

Anyway I think you're just getting the wrong messages. It's making a point more than it is actually blaming men -- saying women want to protect themselves so maybe don't give them so much shit for it, is really not controversial or sexist against men at all.

But by your own admission this post did blame all men. No one is giving women shit for protecting themselves, what they are criticizing is the fact that if you are not interested the proper way to handle things is to simply just say no and not waste the persons time. Most of the time when girls play games it's thru texting or the internet so I highly doubt theyre seriously afraid that some guy is gonna pop thru the computer screen and slice their throat.

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Here, to put it in perspective. Let's say you have a 5 foot, 15 year old boy and a 6 foot, 25 year old big dude who's reasonably in shape. Give the 15 year old a knife to try to defend himself with when he gets attacled. Do you think the 25 year old isn't going to just punch him before he can get it out and take the knife?

Having a knife doesn't automatically win the fight for you. A knife is a force amplifier, truly. But if you don't have much force to begin with there isn't much to amplify.

Women are faced with this dilemma all the time, and whether you like to believe it or not, some women don't want to just fuck "Chads" all the time. And sometimes big dudes think they should get what they want and they get carried away. Now that knife is slicing her own neck and she sealed her own fate. There isn't an easy solution to every problem. Things are more complicated than black and white.

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Where does society condition men to expect women to give them what they want?

lol there isn't a real tangible place that it happens

But less literally... everywhere?

Women in movies play coy and the guy gets her in the end. Except the movie's version of coy is a girl rejecting him! But the guy gets her by being persistent. This diminishes the realness of a woman's rejection... it becomes a game to get her, rather than a very real indication for him to move on and go after some other girl.

It's basically a widespread belief that romantic movies teach both women and men that harassing a woman is okay, so long as she's into it eventually. There's lots of pressure to "change her mind"... not so much pressure to just back off and recognize her choice.

This is a mentality that isn't just present in movies but in society in general. It's just the way people are taught. There is no class in school that teaches it -- it's just a subtle undercurrent of social interactions. Like most social pressures, it has very old roots, and is very hard to get rid of precisely because of how subtle and widespread it is.

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No, I'm using basic human psychology unless you disagree with things like PTSD and the effect sexual assault and harassment can have on people especially when it's constant and since a very young age among other things like being physically inferior and always aware of that. None of that dynamic applies to immigrants and even the numbers fail to mirror the situations.

For example I doubt +90% of people have had bad experiences with black people or Syrian immigrants but have no doubt whatsoever that +90% of women have had constant bad experiences with several men raging from saying "no" to a date or drink and being threatened to more insidious things like men who follow you around while verbally sexually harassing. Adding to that I doubt 90% of men are physically weaker, shorter and lighter than black people or Syrian immigrants, yet ~90% of women are those things compared to ~50% of the population (men).

It's a very distinctive pattern that women are taught about since they are children because that's when the danger starts and this is equal to almost all cultures around the world, it's considered so "normal" that most women don't even stop to think about it nor do most complain to others because "that's just how life is" which is a completely ridiculous statement and shows just how insidious this all is.

Does this mean people think every man does this? Of course not, but it does mean we have no possible way of knowing which ones do or don't and that's pretty fucking terrifying and hard to figure out especially when it's (most times) physically impossible to overpower a man or even successfully defend ourselves. This is only made worse by some of the men that aren't capable of these things excusing or dismissing this issue because they perceive some kind of personal slight against them, like you're doing.

[–]the_shiny_guru 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 56分前 (0子コメント)

Maybe because those men aren't approaching you constantly on the street and wherever you go? Maybe because those men aren't after something from you, of which you have to deny them? Maybe because you're not used to being screamed at out of cars, called both a whore and a prude at once, cornered by sexually aggressive men, and just overall exposed to men that constantly approach you but can't take no for an answer?

Maybe because you've never turned a guy down and had him follow you down the street? Maybe because you've never had someone keep pursuing you even after you tell them to fuck off? Maybe because you've never had someone get ANGRY when you told them to leave you alone? Maybe because you don't have something they want but can't get elsewhere -- maybe because you don't have body parts that they want to grope and oggle and do whatever they want with regardless of what you want?

Nah it's probably just women being idiots, you're right. No woman has ever been harassed, and then harassed more for telling them to stop, ever, wow. You solved it.

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As a man, please just say no. I'm tired of games. Not all men are like that. And it isn't easy as "teaching your fellow men to stop murdering us." There's always going to be psychopaths and it isn't as easy as teaching, because it doesn't matter since they are psychopaths.

The problem is, that there's no way for women to know this about you for sure. She's not a mind reader and has no way of knowing what your true intentions are or how you will react to open rejection. You just telling her "I'm a good guy" isn't going to work because pretty much everyone says that about themselves.

I'm sure most of those men seemed perfectly chill and normal right up until they got rejected. When personal safety is at stake, many people err on the side of caution. You can't really afford to be wrong when it could possibly end in death or serious harm.

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Come on, you're not even trying to respond to what they said. You're implying that they think "spermjacking" is a real threat, when from their first post the point they made was that it's clearly not.

This person asked for more information, and your response is to call them names?

I wanted to learn more about this stuff too, but it's pretty tough to find the actual statistical information and not just some attention-grabbing headlines. It's important to find out just how common something is to keep a sense of proportion in mind. Just like that person you responded to was saying, "spermjacking" isn't commonplace enough to warrant a paranoia about it, and if the same can be said of violent retaliations to sexual/romantic rejections, then women should not need to be so wary of it. And of course if it really is common, then the fear is warranted, and we would all benefit from knowing that. The point being that we should actually know with cold hard facts how common it is, to judge how much we should be cautious.

I would have liked to find out more from the people who apparently know this is true. I'd imagine that if you've already made up your mind about the truth of it, you would have already read the studies for yourself and would more easily be able to point people in the right direction to find out more.

I guess that's not likely to happen though because apparently if someone asks to see the proof they're just a typical MRA irrational argument droid.

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