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[–]voatiscancer 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Perhaps the solution is to build anarchist communities within the prisons. I don't advocate for the type of gang mentality that other groups have but in a violent environment the best hope people have is to group together, it's mutually protective.

If people can build contacts within jails that help them when they get out that would also improve their chances of not ending up back in that shitty environment.

Edit: Since this thread is under clear brigade I'd like to take this opportunity as current top comment to say, if you look around at the type of stuff these guys are posting, the hateful, debased, deliberately baiting comments it's pretty clear that these are not a great bunch of guys.

When evil people hate you this much, that is a testament to your character. They want to enrage us, to infuriate us, to debase us and cause us to give up, but it's simply impossible. We know right from wrong, and we have gripped onto that truth like a vice. We will not budge, not one inch.

Every day the antifascist movement grows stronger and every day they come, more and more, angrier and angrier, why? Because they have realised Antifa is a threat to them, it's a simple as that. They are afraid.

The irony is that any casual observer from the general public who comes to this thread is not going to turn around and say "yeah, I agree with these people". The public hate people like this. The average person has nothing but disgust for people who hurl rape around like a joke, who think mockery is an argument, who cannot stand the thought that someone disagrees with them. And every time they behave like this they only demonstrate their true colours, again and again, until no one will ever bother to defend them, and they've fully isolated themselves from reality and society.

They bash themselves.

[–]BlondeFlip 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont think you know what prison is like, and i dont mean that in a jerk way. Ive known plenty of good dudes who went in and they were not the same after. Not because their morality changed, or their sense of right is different, but because to survive or NOT get this beaten out of them they had to adjust. Like, someone else said, it isnt like forming a book club

[–]voatiscancer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, I don't, but realistically people need to form groups to survive in that environment. I know one person who became an anarchist while in prison, if many of us end up going in there it will only make sense that they collect together. Nobody said this was easy or like setting up a book club, we're just under brigade by asswipes.

[–]Rcroft 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you really have no idea of the type of people in there, the really truly scary ones who might well crush your wind pipe because they dont like the way you talk. In that environment might makes right.

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    [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    We don't. Unless they're, you know, nazis. We make an exception there.

    [–]oopsidaysy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Why exactly?

    [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    'cause of the holocaust?

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      [–]NevaskySocializing the Socialism 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      where does the "label everyone else nazi" you types always throw around come from? Fascism is well defined, its not "haha you disagree with me" like you people make it out to be

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        [–]LittleWhiteTab 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (55子コメント)

        What the fuck is happening to this thread? Who let the psychopaths in?

        [–]gamegyro56 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Brigading. EDIT: from 4chan apparently

        [–]grinding_our_axes/ anti-fascist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They sure do have a fixation with racially charged prison rape. Nice glimpse into authoritarian fetish.

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          [–]gamegyro56 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I'm not so sure, there are a lot of schizophrenics and drug addicts on our side, maybe we're all just having a mass episode.

          I'm not alt-right, so I'm not on your side, but if that's what your side's like, then I'll take your word for it.

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            [–]gamegyro56 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You're really not fooling anyone pretending to be a leftist.

            [–]Alexanderdaawesome 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            [–]voatiscancer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            That's just sad to read, honestly. Why would anyone want to be like that.

            [–]Alexanderdaawesome 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I am not an anarchist, but I watch this group (/pol/) a lot and try to inform others whom seem to not understand the vile comments coming their way.

            [–]voatiscancer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            It's good that you do that, helpful to understand where these things are coming from, I would find it too depressing to see people in that state all the time.

            [–]Alexanderdaawesome 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I am not afraid to enter their den. I wish more would, there are no crazy rules that say we can not try to turn the narrative. They make propaganda there.

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              [–]rockthechopper 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (18子コメント)

              You know the alt right want to make America a pure white ehtno state right? And they would use violence to do that. Their rhetoric also creates right-wing terrorists who have killed more people in America than Muslim terrorists or anti-fascists in the past 10 years. Maybe you don't think you need protection from Nazis, but there are plenty who do

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                [–]rockthechopper 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                No lmao you don't. As far as lone wolf acts of terror, white right-wing extremists are far more dangerous. And yeah if you want to use 9/11 as an excuse to hate Muslim people, rest assured that the war in Iraq has killed hundreds of thousands in retaliation, in a war of agression, so there you go

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                  [–]rockthechopper 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  [–]n0eticsyntax 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  That study was done by New America. The owner of New America is Anne-Marie Slaughter, a women who has been a very vocal advocate for the warhawk tendencies of the US over the past 20 years, at one time directly working under Clinton at the state department.

                  Sharing anything that shes had her hands in is akin to sharing state propaganda, comrade.

                  [–]rockthechopper 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  a women who has been a very vocal advocate for the warhawk tendencies of the US

                  Then why would her organization produce a study that shows our largest terrorist threats are domestic and not foreign?

                  In any case, here is a different, updated source

                  http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/analysis-deadly-threat-far-right-extremists-overshadowed-fear-islamic-terrorism/

                  [–]voatiscancer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That's the 'poisoning the well' fallacy. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and the fact that the author shouldn't support what she's saying just strengthens its truth.

                  [–]illusoryimage -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  That article is old. San Bernardino and Orlando nearly triple the figure they have. I'm pretty sure their figure even for 2015 is too low anyway, I saw an autistically compiled list of every incident with fatalities a month or so ago and the Muslim number was much higher. Also you may be confusing "incidents" with fatalities. There are a higher number of right-wing terrorist incidents because incident doesn't apply fatalities. Burning a building is an incident, calling in a bomb threat is an incident, neither of which can even be confirmed to have been right-wing in origin. Organizations fudge the numbers to say right-wing extremism is worse to create a talking point to distract from the fact that Islamic extremism is far more deadly.

                  [–]rockthechopper 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I saw an autistically compiled list of every incident with fatalities a month or so ago and the Muslim number was much higher

                  based on the words you chose to write this sentence, I'm going to guess it was a post on /b/ or /pol/ that was probably poorly sourced if at all. The reality in post-9/11 America is that Americans are fucking terrified of terrorists. The manly men brave patriots of America have their fear perpetuated by right-wing news site and cable news like Fox, and now, the President.

                  When people hear all day every day about how dangerous Muslims are, they get radicalized. That's when they start going out and committing acts of terror. It happens a lot.

                  That article was old, you're right. Here is an updated one from Feb 2017 that includes the Orlando and San Bernandino attacks, and still reaches the same conclusion. Oh also, it includes "victims" instead of total people killed, so your point about "incidents" vs "total killed" is covered here.

                  http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/analysis-deadly-threat-far-right-extremists-overshadowed-fear-islamic-terrorism/

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                    [–]rockthechopper 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Lol you can even parody anarchism probably. The "anarchist movement" has no leaders, friendo

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                      [–]rockthechopper 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Do people actually find this shit funny?

                      [–]dzzeko 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      No. They're just another pitifully unfunny, uncreative troll from t_D, the home of pathetic, choleric trolls.

                      [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

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                        [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        You're not making any sense mate. You brain is misfiring I think, you should get that checked out. I'm concerned.

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                          [–]rockthechopper 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          Lmao white supremacy isn't just a "different opinion." It leads to people killing other people based on the color of their skin or the way they look

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                            [–]rockthechopper 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            How many people have Anti-fascist actions killed?

                            Also to say our standard of what makes someone a fascist is them wearing a maga hat just shows how little you know about anarchism and antifa

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                              [–]rockthechopper 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              We don't know what was being said though. And they were more of shouting matches than conversations. I've seen lots of protests where people have no problem yelling the worst racial slurs they know, waving the German imperial flag, and spouting white supremacist rhetoric.

                              I, as well as many others, recognize that not every Trump voter is a white nationalist. In fact, many see the Trump, "anti-establishment" vote as a misguided anti-capitalist vote.

                              Idk much about this guys situation, though I'm tempted to trust my comrade's judgment in that situation, I just don't know. I just wish fascism would've just died out so anarchists could focus on organization that would help us achieve our goals.

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                                [–]rockthechopper 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                lol what? are you fucking kidding me? Pretty much all fights start because of "words." Was Hitler's manifesto "just words?" Words have meaning behind them, dipshit

                                also

                                your a fucking cum stain

                                lmao wtf is wrong with you people.

                                [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                You keep saying "people who have a different opinion". It's not clear to me what that means. Do you mean people who enjoy grape soda (yuck), or people think Adam Sandler is funny (he's not) or... What exactly? In what way are their opinions different?

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                                  [–]radlandsnatlparkposadism 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Ok, the white nationalism is one thing but if you alt-knight losers are saying Adam Sandler is funny now you're taking it way too far.

                                  [–]crunchy_fetus 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  I too am interested in this.

                                  Anarchist Black Cross does prisoner support, which would certainly be helpful but what is day to day like I wonder.

                                  [–]OldWoband Green Syndicalist 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                  The IWW has recruited a lot of prisoner workers as members.

                                  [–]d75 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Wait a minute... screws or workers who are incarcerated?

                                  [–]qrx53 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  The latter. Look up the IWOC

                                  [–]grinding_our_axes/ anti-fascist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Prisoner workers, not prison workers.

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                                    [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    You're silly. You think fascism is "silencing people who oppose us" and that's it? Nothing about the traditionalism and the nationalism and the scapegoating of racial minorities? And we're the ones misusing the term lol

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                                        [–]Jugglnaught 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Sure is bridgy here.

                                        [–]doomsdayprophecy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        TIL: Alt-right losers will cry for months about a bike lock to the head, but they're A-OK with nazis murdering people on a trains.

                                        [–]Ultrashitpost 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        Only bourgeoise scum use trains anyway

                                        [–]rockthechopper 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        I think this is one of those rare comments upvoted by the brigade and by r/@ lol

                                        [–]mypersonnalreaderFree red and black flags for everyone![M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Banned for brigading but I'll let that comment up

                                        [–]copkiller22 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Yeah...only the bourgeoisie use public transportation. Are you retarded? The max rail in Portland is a bus on rails.

                                        [–]atom4sh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Let's not forget the wonderful freight hoppers. :)

                                        [–]doomsdayprophecy 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Dude will be fine. There are plenty of anarchists in jail. Unlike 4chan dorks, prison gangs don't give a fuck about some nerd getting hit with a bike lock.

                                        [–]adriancps3 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        Having spent time in prison myself in Canada which is nowhere near as bad as the California State penal system, I can say that Eric Clanton is in some serious hot water.

                                        First of all he's been charged with 4 Serious Felonies (Assault w/ Deadly Weapon), as well as a misdemeanor for wearing a mask to evade justice. Source

                                        Worse yet, if he is convicted of 3 of the felonies, he is liable to be convicted under the California "Three Strikes Rule". Contrary to popular belief the convictions don't need to be from separate incidents or proceedings. If convicted of 2 strikes, Clanton will get a sentence of DOUBLE what is normal. If he gets convicted of 3 or more it is an automatic sentence of 25 TO LIFE . Source

                                        Additionally, Assault w/ Deadly Weapon(ADW) is not normally a strikable offense unless it is considered to have caused Grievous Bodily Harm (GBI). However according to the complaint report linked above, the prosecution is proceeding with all 4 counts of ADW as Serious Felonies which makes them all eligible to be strikes.

                                        TL;DR If Clanton is convicted of at least 3/4 assaults he will get a life sentence.

                                        [–]AbortusLuciferumfash sit down or get put down[🍰] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Yeah but we're not talking about Clanton specifically, more about in general. And we're not talking about his sentencing, we're talking about what it's like on the inside. The day-to-day type stuff.

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                                          [–]OldWoband Green Syndicalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Contrary to popular belief the convictions don't need to be from separate incidents or proceedings.

                                          Untrue. They need not be in different court proceedings, but they must be from different incidents. Even the reference you gave used different incidents in its example. The relevant case is People vs Fuhrman, where the issue was this:

                                          Based upon a vehicle theft discovered on May 24, 1994, and the robbery of a bank committed later that day, defendant was charged in the current proceeding with one count of robbery (§ 211) and one count of unlawfully driving or taking an automobile (Veh. Code, § 10851). It also was alleged that defendant personally used a dangerous or deadly weapon in the commission of the robbery.

                                          The guy had a prior felony conviction, so then stealing a car, and later robbing a bank, made him eligible under 3 strikes, even though he was tried for the later crimes in one proceeding. A single criminal incident cannot do that.

                                          /pol/ had a discussion a while back where they decided to brigade this subreddit to spread fear and try to demoralize us. I notice that you have a right wing posting history, and have posted in /r/4chan. I'll leave it to people to draw their own conclusions.

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                                            [–]Nuclear_Penetration 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            AB might be a drug syndicate, but some of them still have their political leanings

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                                              [–]TheReturnOfRuin 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              Serious question from an outsider (To left-wing anarchism at least). Why would you want to protect someone who tried to kill people over their political leaning?

                                              [–]buttmunchnbutterflys 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              The original post is asking for imprisoned anarchists/antifa in general, but is using Eric Clanton as a recent example. A lot of us get thrown in prison for a lot longer for doing a lot less, so it's a good discussion to have, even if it was prompted by Clanton. I don't think what he did is alright and I don't think I have seen anyone on here directly defending what he did. But that doesn't mean we want him (or anyone in my case) to get abused in prison.

                                              [–]TheReturnOfRuin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              This does make sense, thanks!

                                              [–]LittleWhiteTab 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              People marching in the street don't have a "political leaning"-- they are actively shaping the discourse.

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                                                    [–]rockthechopper 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I'm not sure if you're trolling or not but this is quite possibly the worst advice I've seen on here.

                                                    American state is on it's last legs, revolution will occur very soon.

                                                    No, it isn't, and no it won't. I don't know anyone that would agree with his

                                                    [–]OrkBegork 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Pretty sure this guy is just another alt-right troll that was overlook when the mods deleted the brigade posts.

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                                                      [–]StainlessShackleford 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I have worked with nazis in recovery, but not recently. I assume their culture has changed in some ways.

                                                      The prison gangs will have enough familiarity with antifa symbols that his beliefs would be sussed out rapidly, even if he had not gained public attention. Corrections in California run pretty conservative, he will be outed by the guards from the first. If he has anti-facist writings/tweets/posts then they will undoubtedly be found and passed around wherever he ends up.

                                                      He could go to a lower security facility where these problems are minimal or non existent, I'm guessing that will be most of what his attorneys fight for.

                                                      I assume he's going to lose, as I heard they got DNA off the bike lock that nails him for 3-4 assaults. The guy even took selfies of himself in his bandanna/sunglasses/etc. It's a disguise, not a fashion show.

                                                      [–]voatiscancer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      If he has anti-facist writings/tweets/posts then they will undoubtedly be found and passed around wherever he ends up.

                                                      That's one way to spread class consciousness, lol

                                                      [–]Fonaaldan- (practice fbi infiltrator) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                      is there any chance the afroamericans or latinos in there would help or protect him? i assume they hate trump.

                                                      [–]smugliberaltears-Death to all who stand in the way of freedom for working people 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      idk if those gangs do, but it's a mixed bag out here. most of us hate trump, but there are always a few who are into him.

                                                      the politics are kinda messed up. we've even got slurs for the chicanos who side with the anglos haha.

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                                                        [–]Fonaaldan- (practice fbi infiltrator) 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                        er. the gangs are racially oriented, because THEY are all rascist in there. so whatever. I'm just trying to understand a way of dealing with the reality on the ground, and keeping his throat from being cut, or sexually assaulted, and stuff theory

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                                                            [–]OrkBegork 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Why didn't they charge him with attempted murder, then?

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                                                                  [–]LittleWhiteTab 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                  Fuck off, white boy

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                                                                    [–]LittleWhiteTab 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                    I enjoy a pretty well respected position within the anarchist Community around me. The only people shilling here are you and your ilk.

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                                                                      [–]LittleWhiteTab 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Do you need lessons in remedial English? I can buy you a course, if you'd like.

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                                                                        [–]rockthechopper 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Wow your jokes are really next level, man. You're really gonna have them going at recess Monday!

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                                                                          [–]LittleWhiteTab 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                          If you have every confidence that what you believe is right then the dose should only bring you clarity. Otherwise be prepared to confront what a shitty human being you are.

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                                                                            [–]LittleWhiteTab 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                            Get some Xanax ready, because you, too, will be spun out. The Family is always around, and has no tolerance for your ideals.

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                                                                              [–]grinding_our_axes/ anti-fascist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              I'm not surprised you read Jim Goad's prison rape fantasies.

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                                                                                [–]LittleWhiteTab 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                See you at the barricades, punk.

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                                                                                  [–]grinding_our_axes/ anti-fascist 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  You have guards posted at your house while you're out playing super hero with your American flag cape?

                                                                                  [–]MrDruid 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  Many of us have large, territorial dogs. Do you have guards posted in your mom's basement while you're out bravely fighting trash cans?

                                                                                  [–]grinding_our_axes/ anti-fascist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I get along great with dags :)

                                                                                  [–]-skatepunk- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  larp boy is maddy maddy cuz those meanies who he doesn't understand don't worship the flaggy flaggy

                                                                                  [–]LittleWhiteTab 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                  Ill be the one with a super soaker loaded with 2c-I. Enjoy your trip, kid.

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                                                                                    [–]LittleWhiteTab 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    I can read the fear in your post.

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                                                                                      [–]LittleWhiteTab 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      Fuck you, poser. I got a dose here for you, too.

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                                                                                        [–]ItsSnackTyme 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Can you get people high by spraying them with water?

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                                                                                          [–]Ultrashitpost 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          He'll just have to join the Aryan Brotherhood and he'll be fine.

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                                                                                            [–]Intellimouse11a 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Protip: You won't.

                                                                                            Prisons are divided by race. Mexicans, Blacks, Whites. Prison life itself is just one big race war. If you're shunned by the whites, you're going to be eaten alive by the other races. POC gangs aren't going to care if you're antifa, they're just going to beat the shit out of you just because you're white. Probably rape you as well.

                                                                                            Literally your only option is to not get arrested, and wearing face masks isn't going to prevent you from being arrested (as shown by Eric Clanton). This violence is pointless, because it doesn't scare anyone and you're risking prison, where you won't last a day. The only way to win the game of violence is to not play it.

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                                                                                              [–]PropagandaEnthusiast 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                              Oh you mean like the white supremacist that murdered 2 innocent people. Fuck you nazi.

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                                                                                                [–]kane4life4ever 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                he should hang out with black guys

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                                                                                                  [–]grinding_our_axes/ anti-fascist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Comparing prison to uncivil society is like suggesting a wolf raised in a cage is a good indicator of the species' survival prospects in the wild.

                                                                                                  [–]Firstservingman -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Forming anarchist groups in prisons won't work. Why? In stress situations, such as prison, we revert to what is safe. Our default nature. Human nature is to crave authority and hierarchy. Sure, a small percentage of people miss out on that coding, but it holds true over all. That's why very hierarchical systems are much more common throughout history, and are much more stable. A monarchy or empire can last for centuries with little change - while any system with less well-defined authority is more likely to collapse and revert to something that plays on human fear, human selfishness, and human desire for safety. A hierarchical society.

                                                                                                  These do very well in prisons. Gangs and brotherhoods, with clearly defined leadership, rules, and punishments. Anarchy isn't just a vacuum of power, it's a vacuum of human nature - to follow someone strong who provides you with safety and makes your life easier.

                                                                                                  [–]1_narchy_pls -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Human nature is to crave authority and hierarchy.

                                                                                                  lol