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/r/socialism has a Venezuela Megathread, bans all Venezuelans. (self.SubredditDrama)

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Pretty much what the title says.

/r/socialism has a Venezuela Megathread, bans all people from /r/vzla and announces it in broken Spanish.

[Mods seems to be backpedaling, here is SnapshillBot with the link to the now purged comments.]

Simón Bolívar’s ghost drops a single tear, while Francisco de Paula Santander’s ghost laughs his ass off.

Bonus: /r/CapitalismVSocialism has something to say.

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[–]saraathHamilton was a commie 234 ポイント235 ポイント  (72子コメント)

is /r/vzla more critical of the regime there?

[–]ncrted 336 ポイント337 ポイント  (64子コメント)

VERY critical of the regime. It is claimed that the sub borders on fascism but that is a load of BS. It has a wide spectrum of beliefs, most of them belonging to the center but almost everyone believes that his government has shit the bed

[–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 192 ポイント193 ポイント  (42子コメント)

I can say this is a really worrying time in my country. Because the Pope didn't speak out in extreme opposition to the government, now you see him being adorned with Chavizta (communist/socialist) hats on facebook. And people suggesting you don't baptize your children - not gonna debate whether you should or shouldn't but a 80%+ Catholic country and people voicing these types of thoughts on fb, speak to a very divisive attitude of "with us or against us" that the opposition has garnered at this point.

There's currently not much space to dissent from the opposition without being called a Chavizta and I hope it doesn't devolve into right-wing killing squads "purging" the leftists, if the opposition wins this struggle.

I sincerely wish there was a post-mortem or analysis of the Venezuelan government from a socialist/communist perspective that did not amount to "it was never socialist, just state capitalist", because that is an absolute cop out. If your ideas are supposed to stand the test or time or be robust enough to work, they need fixing and they need analysis other than washing your hands of when millions die from starvation and blame droughts or flood, or corruption, etc.

[–]ncrted 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I agree, I have also been worrying about the fact that the country might make a hard swing to the right. It wouldn't be the first time that something like this happens. The country was already polarized before Chavez, but this regime has divided this country like never before and will haunt us for years

[–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's my biggest fear, and what i've been trying to tell my dad. A leftist might kill you cause they fucked up price controls, but there's a chance of recovery. A fascist might kill you cause of color of skin, religion, political ideology ON TOP of keeping those same fucked up policies.

There are good things the government did or promised to do. And if you don't want a leftist 22nd century revolution every 50 years, you need to have social welfare programs.

I realize this sounds a little more naive than I intended it, but I still think Fascists are a bigger problem. A reflection perhaps of living in America for so long.

[–]CthonicJuly 2015: The Battle of A Pao A Qu 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I realize this sounds a little more naive than I intended it, but I still think Fascists are a bigger problem. A reflection perhaps of living in America for so long.

Maybe, maybe not. Fascists are as a rule actively malevolent to a significant portion of society. Socialists of all stripes are ostensibly motivated by the suffering of society's poor.

Of course, from a practical perspective, killing millions of your own citizens out of malevolence isn't much different from killing them out of sheer incompetence. They're still dead. It's just that incompetence can potentially be corrected in a friendly manner, while malevolence tends to require forcible "correction".

[–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's the way I see it.

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    [–]NoShoulderSurfing 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A leftist might kill you cause they fucked up price controls, but there's a chance of recovery

    They are also killing them for voicing opposing views to what The Holy Bolivarian Revolution preaches. But you are right, let's keep focusing on the hypotheticals so that we don't have to focus on the murder, hatred and even genocidal thoughts coming from the State and its ruling party.

    [–]spriddler 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Anyone willing to kill for ideology is the same sort of monster regardless of their supposed intentions. In the end they are all really just killing to stay in power.

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      [–]johnnyfog 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Venezuala is what happens when the people elect charming incompetents who then refuse to leave when asked.

      "Expropriate it!"

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        [–]Forseti5Popcorn for the people! 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        The far left (especially on Reddit) has a tendency to label anyone or anything against them as fascist. I've literally seen r/anarchism call people fascist for advocating for not beating/killing people they disagree with. Examine that logic. "We should kill all fascists and if you disagree you are a fascist yourself and thus subject to being killed yourself".

        [–]DancesCloseToTheFire 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        To be fair, this isn't a left or right issue, the issue is just a bad government in general, regardless of any ideologies it may follow.

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          [–]LefthandedLunaticSomething Something Jews 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          well yea because they are living in a Famine riddled mess with the largest economic implosion of a country in recent history. Nothing good comes from holding the record of the fastest shrinking economy.

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            [–]LittlestCandle 1457 ポイント1458 ポイント  (396子コメント)

            lol /r/socialism at its best. two claps from me.

            [–]thelastbelugaI am one with the drama, the drama is with me 1030 ポイント1031 ポイント  (388子コメント)

            It really is remarkable. Each time I see something from r/socialism here it is them attempting to convince me that "no totally really we are not like Stalin and free speech is an absolute basic right" and then in the same breath turn around and go on a massive Stalin-esque purge destroying all dissenters and other opinions. It is comical really.

            [–]postironyWarning: may create drama 720 ポイント721 ポイント  (224子コメント)

            TBH, most of the people in /r/socialism seem far more enamored of purging dissenters and crushing capitalism then they do actually setting up a socialist society.

            [–]whisperingmoon(◍•ᴗ•◍) casual scumbag, real-life bureaucrat 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (22子コメント)

            Call me a Debbie Downer, but I just can't envision a Reddit of less than 100,000 people spread around the globe crushing the world economy as it currently exists or setting up a society. That's not a knock against any specific sub, really, it just seems like an awful lot of pressure to put on... You know... An internet forum.

            [–]goatsareeverywhereEnergy works through relationships 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (19子コメント)

            You should definitely read this hilarious AMA about Liberland. Long story short, it didn't work.

            [–]Aetolthings should work the way I misunderstand the rest of the world 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            This is absolutely hilarious.

            I could call my backyard a country

            That seems pretty close to the level of thought that's gone into this.

            Well yeah, except /u/Recolumn actually has some legal ownership of their backyard.

            [–]goatsareeverywhereEnergy works through relationships 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            The funniest AMA disasters are the ones who keep trying to defend their shitty sales pitches despite getting piled on by just about everyone in the thread.

            [–]lebron181 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I actually do want to see artificial countries pop up based on shared ideology. It would be so much easier to study political practices.

            [–]whisperingmoon(◍•ᴗ•◍) casual scumbag, real-life bureaucrat 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Fortunately, I have wasted enough of my time on this website to know of Liberland, but thank you for reminding me of it. It is one of my most favourite Reddit disasters, lol

            [–]goatsareeverywhereEnergy works through relationships 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Always awesome when an AMA doesn't go the way the OP thinks it would.

            [–]coco-o 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            /r/AMADisasters

            [–]fractals83 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Any chance of a summery?

            [–]goatsareeverywhereEnergy works through relationships 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Crazy libertarians want to set up a new country on terra nullius, but don't understand what it takes to set up an actual, functioning country. When you have the time, you gotta read it!

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                  [–]labiolingual_trill 244 ポイント245 ポイント  (169子コメント)

                  It's similar with some of the other leftist subs which is kind of a shame really.

                  [–]postironyWarning: may create drama 522 ポイント523 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                  It's not a phenomenon exclusive to a political bent. Half the people who discuss politics on reddit are just hooked on anger and validation.

                  [–]Deggit 322 ポイント323 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                  hooked on anger and validation.

                  Yep and they defend it by saying "This subreddit isn't for explaining or debating!" which is just a roundabout way of saying it's for circlejerking and competing to state the most extreme and least valid version of the ideology. calling you out, /r/LateStageCapitalism

                  [–]DBerwick 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  I remember when /r/FULLCOMMUNISM was about the memes.... then I got banned for saying that maybe killing innocent police officers was a step too far.

                  To which the counterargument, I'm sure, is "no such thing."

                  Yes, dehumanization is a terrible ill of capitalism, isn't it? Would be a shame if both sides took part. Reeeaaaaalllll shame.

                  [–]dart200 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  i'm not really sure what those currently in charge of these leftist subs are thinking.

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                      [–]saraathHamilton was a commie 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      frist of all how dare y ou

                      [–]jjhoho 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      @ me next time thx

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                        [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 213 ポイント214 ポイント  (50子コメント)

                        /r/LeftWithoutEdge was a direct response to that and all the other subs immediately turned on it, like "how dare you not be edgy or focus on Internet wars between reddit sects!".

                        [–]urboro 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        Policing their own numbers for insufficient piousness is actually what animates and inspires them, not attracting new members. People who reject the very premises under which they can be scolded are anathema, and banned.

                        [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Well if you attract new members you might accidentally change the world in some way and you can't have that, better to just be the coolest member of radical online book club.

                        [–]CinderSkye 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        FWIW I regularly disagree with your opinions and have little to contribute to discussions there, but I have been subscribed to LeftWithoutEdge for a while and am grateful for it. Quietly read stuff there on the regular.

                        I'm somewhere pretty left but I'm far from decided on where in the left I sit in practice.

                        [–]totalwar57 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Agreed. I'm glad that as a sub it's really fostered the idea that you don't need to necessarily agree with all of the specifics, just subscribe to a general ideology of respect for others. I only wish it were more active so that people wouldn't be put off from left ideas by some of the crazier parts of /r/socialism and /r/anarchism. Even if there's room for disagreement, you gotta respect what PK is doing.

                        [–]Xelif 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        And that's not limited to socialists - it seems to infect any "revolutionary" or out-of-the-mainstream political group. It's just the nature of the beast, I think.

                        Libertarians may dislike most or all government, but they save their true vitriol for other libertarians damn statist fascists who have a slightly different interpretation of the non-aggression principle. On the far right, Andrew Anglin (purveyor of the Daily Stormer) spent as much energy lambasting Milo Yiannopolous for being insufficiently extreme as he ever has promoting white nationalism. And while every communist agrees that the capitalist class is an enemy, their true enemies are the fellow travelers, the wrong sort of communists.

                        Purity testing and racing to out-extreme peers seems to infect every change-oriented group like the plague.

                        [–]dood98998Angry Semen Chef[🍰] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Watch out PK, your fan club is coming!

                        [–]IDontGiveADoot<- actually I do 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'm here!

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                          [–]EliteNubSitting Back and Watching it Burn 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                          I'm a leftist, and I hate all of the leftist subs because of shit like this.

                          [–]johnnyfog 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Yesterday on r/ChapoTrapHouse, they had a refugee from r/socialism wander in. He started talking about "the obsession with democratization." He also said that any honest reading of Marx will necessitate the formation of a vanguard party, and went "lol liberal" if you disagreed.

                          [–]pyromancer93 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          any honest reading of Marx will necessitate the formation of a vanguard party

                          There was a man named Vladimir who had similar thoughts.

                          [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          There once was a man named Vladimir

                          Who thought "Hey it isn't very good here"

                          He formed a vanguard

                          Tried really hard

                          Overthrew the Tsar as the new puppeteer

                          [–]usabfb 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Technically, Lenin came after the February Revolution in which the Tsar was actually overthrown.

                          [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          That's true, but "Overthrew the Provisional Government" would have had too many syllables to sound good.

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                              [–]mrpopenfreshcuck-a-doodle-doo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Any political sub really. Stay the fuck away from Internet politics.

                              [–]LackingLack 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Disagree strongly. Internet politics can be extremely powerful and interesting.

                              [–]OddlySpecificReferen 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              For the right it's T_D, for the left it's late stage capitalism and socialism and stuff. It's all just a bunch of morons who want to create their own little world where everyone is forced to believe what they do.

                              [–]Aromir19Socrates died for the modern synthesis 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              I can't count the number of times I've been called a neoliberal by Reddit socialists who don't even know who Keynes is. I was at fucking occupy I'm not taking this shit.

                              [–]seijinn 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                              "We need to destroy society and start over, because in our lives we are privileged enough to get bailed out by our parents every time we fuck up and that seems to work."

                              [–]pappalegzMultiracial Hellscape 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                              It's similar to most politically minded subs

                              [–]urboro 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                              Everytime it pops up on SRD, it is hilariously farcical. I don't think any other political community has the comedy chops of the /r/socialism mod team.

                              [–]pappalegzMultiracial Hellscape 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                              /r/the_donald

                              [–]johnnyfog 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              Abbott and Costello, Martin and Lewis, r/socialism and r/The_Donald

                              [–]SmienThis is why Trump won 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              I somewhat think stuff like this from the_donald are more whacky than socialism banning angry users from Venezuela.

                              Fav quote:

                              ANNOUNCEMENT: WE KEEP REDDIT ALIVE, BUT REDDIT IS TRYING TO KILL US. ENOUGH. CENTIPEDES, TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL.

                              But maybe that's just me

                              [–]pyromancer93 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              That is some authentic gibberish right there.

                              [–]JamarcusRussel"What are you gonna do, ban me?" -quote from guy banned 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              you need a straight man in comedy, and that's what /r/socialism is, comparatively

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                                [–]pappalegzMultiracial Hellscape 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                what do the aliens from arrival have to do with this

                                [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                They say a lot of things but nobody knows what the hell they are talking about and everything they say is just going in circles.

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                                      [–]smithrereen...saving one's country from (((them)) takes a Hitler. 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      It seems that far-left online communities axiomatically follow a similar trajectory towards purges and censorship as real-world socialist regimes.

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                                        [–]suchsmartveryiqCLOD! 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Yup. Can attest to that - I was banned when they implemented the "no ableism" rule. I said that was a step too far, I got banned.

                                        I sent a modmail explicitly stating my opposition to the rule and the fact I'm autistic. The mods basically said "lol who cares" and muted me.

                                        Even worse, the mod who banned me was also autistic - autistic people also can get sucked in by bullshit.

                                        [–]skoryy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Reddit has turned into their own little version of the farmer's house without having to convince anyone that two legs bad.

                                        [–]atomicthumbs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Tankies, folks!

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                                          [–]Defengara fallacy to surpass metal gear 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                          Vanguardism is a Hell of a drug.

                                          [–]thelastbelugaI am one with the drama, the drama is with me 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                          If it is Vanguardism then they are doing it completely wrong. I thought the idea of Vanguardism was to actually increase membership and draw more people in, not exclude people. Lenin would be deeply disappointed in them.

                                          [–]Defengara fallacy to surpass metal gear 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                          TBH, Lenin would be deeply disappointed with almost everything since his death.

                                          [–]pyromancer93 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          In all seriousness, they're more of a clique of people who are generally interested in leftism then any sort of organized group. Vanguardism implies a level of coherency you ain't getting from any subreddit.

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                                            [–]HVAvengeranacaps are ruining /r/libertarian 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Tankies gonna tank

                                            [–]cisxuzuul 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            I thought Pepsi was going to change this? Guess Mr Pibb is the real drink of the people.

                                            [–]larrylemur(✿☯‿☯✿) She said, "Ok, I'm impressed!" (✿☯‿☯✿) 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            *Comrade Pibb

                                            [–]Tidusx145 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Same with latestagecapitalism. Brags about free speech, then bans anything that doesn't tow the line.

                                            [–]HuckleberryFN2187Fight me! Loser bottoms. 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            free speech is an absolute basic right

                                            TBH most socialists (and even a lot of liberals) don't make that claim.

                                            [–]thelastbelugaI am one with the drama, the drama is with me 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            It is interesting because many of the socialist political parties put a huge emphasis on freedom of speech. Take the Socialist Party of Great Britain for example.

                                            The Socialist Party of Great Britain is wholeheartedly in favour of the fullest freedom of speech. This is because we hold that out of full and free discussion of today's social problems only one valid conclusion can emerge: that Socialism alone will provide the framework within which they can be solved.

                                            Full free speech means exactly what it says: any and every view should be allowed expression so that it can be examined and shown to be wrong. One of the more obnoxious views current these days is racialism, the idea that some human beings are inferior to others and ought to be treated as such.

                                            [–]theotherkevin23The Ric Flair of Popcorn 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Which is why the left is currently thriving in the UK

                                            [–]azhtabeula 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            They are in favor of protecting free speech when they need that protection to spread their own ideas. Once they are in power, things turn around.

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                                              [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              I'm pretty close to a free speech absolutist (in the civil liberties sense, not the vulgarized "I demand you pay attention to me and give me a platform to speak" sense) personally.

                                              [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                              In this case it's a tiny bit more subtle. The Vzla posters are highly, highly unrepresentative of Venezuelans: English-speaking people with Internet access are likely to be rich whites or expats, and highly ideologically or even financially motivated on top of that to post a ton and rant everywhere about socialism and Maduro. Dealing with people like that can be a serious pain, especially if you don't aim to have an open debate sub but rather be more along the lines of a discussion sub for a particular group where you don't have to constantly defend basic assertions. Both models of sub have their place.

                                              Now, that being said, /r/socialism goes far beyond "we need to moderate out people constantly ranting about socialism because they're making it difficult to have a decent conversation" on the regular. We all know how ban-happy they are and how fucking idiotic (you are now banned from /r/socialism) some of their rules are. Banning an entire sub worth of people because a few of them are disruptive and annoying is overkill, the net is too broad to be really useful. It's one thing to tag and ban noted members of small brigade subs that start drama everywhere they go, it's quite another to mass ban like that.

                                              Since Venezuela's government and socialism in general are quite unpopular in this sub, let me make a comparison: suppose there were a bunch of rich, English speaking Yemeni expats that wanted to rant about the evils of capitalism and America's essential support of the Saudi war in Yemen, which has reduced hundreds of thousands to starvation and has seen things like the triple tap strike of funerals. I'd understand their anger but if I ran a sub about capitalism I probably wouldn't want dozens of those people constantly ranting and posting on every thread either. That wouldn't mean banning Yemenis on sight but it would mean telling people to take it somewhere else if they were making the forum substantially less usuable.

                                              EDIT: hahaha I have angered ESS or /r/vzla it seems, which to be fair is about the easiest thing in the world.

                                              [–]CthonicJuly 2015: The Battle of A Pao A Qu 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                              I can understand the inclination to ban perceived class enemies from /r/socialism. That said, Venezuela is one of the most incompetently run, ass-backwards excuses for a socialist state on Earth. That goes double for Maduro's administration.

                                              I just don't get why they rabidly support an absolute embarrassment towards their philosophy, especially while drowning out the voices of the oppressed. Maduro especially seems to be operating his government based on a desire to be optimal anti-socialist propaganda.

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                                                  [–]bing_bong69 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Please clap

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                                                    [–]coco-o 561 ポイント562 ポイント  (69子コメント)

                                                    Venezuela isn't true socialism

                                                    fuck the bourgeois reactionary fascists protesting against our comrades in Venezuela

                                                    hmmm

                                                    [–]churninbutter 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                    I got so tired of hearing those idiots tell me Venezuela wasn't ever considered socialist I went and found some socialist blog back in 2012 where the author literally praises Venezuela for being a perfect example of the success of socialism

                                                    http://thepandarant.blogspot.com/2012/01/name-successful-socialist-country.html?m=1

                                                    [–]dalebonehart 149 ポイント150 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                    You don't even have to look at random blogs, you can see what Bernie Sanders believes on his website:

                                                    "These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"

                                                    [–]churninbutter 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                    So that's a good point, and for most rational people I believe it would be sufficient, but for that lot you actually need a self proclaimed socialist calling Venezuela socialist or they'll try to tell you it doesn't count because X. At least that's what I've found

                                                    [–]dalebonehart 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    True. And even then they'd say something like "well that was before the CIA got involved and covertly made their policies retarded".

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                                                      [–]Arsustylemore traditional or classical cuckery 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                      I think he's intentionally choosing lousy places to live to prove his point. Basically, "Even places as bad as these have better income equality than us. Come on America, you can do better than this."

                                                      [–]IAMA_DRUNK_BEARSon, please. I'm an international airline pilot. I "get around" 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      What a horrible point to make. Income equality means absolutely nothing when your people are literally starving to death.

                                                      And then to throw in a casual:

                                                      Who's the banana republic now?

                                                      While Venezuela descends into an socialist authoritarian hellhole. The United States is by no means perfect, but he can fuck right off with that shit.

                                                      [–]Groomper 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      No, you don't understand. The 90/10 percentile ratio is incredible in Venezuela! I mean, it's $1/$0.75, but that's just a little detail...

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                                                        [–]uwhuskytskeet 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        $0 = $0. Checks out.

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                                                            [–]Pi_iis_exactly3 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Micheal moore called it a paradise. Bernie sanders said this: "These days, the american dream is more apt to be realized in south america, in places such as ecuador, venezuela and argentina, where incomes are actually more equal to day than they are in the land of horatio alger. Who's the banana republic now."

                                                            The pattern seems to be to advocate to be more like these places, then when they fail as usual, they pretend they never supported them or they aren't socialisms.

                                                            [–]theferrit32 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            It's only "true socialism" in the brief period where the supply hasn't started to run out. When the grocery stores empty, the currency implodes, the infrastructure collapses, and people start rioting just to get access to any remaining food and medicine, then it doesn't count as socialism anymore /s

                                                            [–]confusedbyhumans 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            while (success){
    print "Socialism works!"
    updateSuccess(Venezuela)} 

print "It was never really socialism."

                                                            [–]esumadeina 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            This code won't work since they purge the intellectuals before they can code it.

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                                                                [–]pigeon768 168 ポイント169 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                What does a random capitalist dictatorship in South America have to do with socialism?

                                                                hmmm

                                                                [–]50baht 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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                                                                [–]coco-o 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                I agree, if it's not true socialism why do they even have a thread for it.

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                                                                  [–]ItsSnackTyme 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  It's always fun when leftists eat their own. Whenever it hits r/all the [removed] starts piling in. Haha

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                                                                    [–]snallygasterFUCK_MOD$_420 522 ポイント523 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                    Venezuelans are starving and dying by the government hand and in addition they're now banned from a popular subreddit? Will they ever catch a break!?

                                                                    [–]SavannaJeff 357 ポイント358 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    To be fair, them being banned from /r/socialism is like being deported from Siberia to Canada.

                                                                    [–]whisperingmoon(◍•ᴗ•◍) casual scumbag, real-life bureaucrat 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                    In the winter, I keep Novosibirsk in my weather app so I can see where's colder: central Canada or Siberia. It's a toss-up, honestly. But at least we have doughnuts.

                                                                    [–]piddlystains 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    Yeah, I think there are times when Winnipeg is colder than Siberia.

                                                                    And even disregarding that, is being in Winnipeg ever too much better than being in Siberia?

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                                                                        [–]True_Jack_FalstaffCatgirls is an expression of misogynist objectification 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                        /r/socialism mods are eventually going to ban everybody on reddit but themselves.

                                                                        That's when things will get interesting. The mods will have to battle each other.

                                                                        [–]toopandatofluff 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        There can be only one.

                                                                        [–]True_Jack_FalstaffCatgirls is an expression of misogynist objectification 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        For the P U R E I D E O L O G Y

                                                                        [–]snallygasterFUCK_MOD$_420 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        You'd think that they'd welcome everyone with open arms to try and draw people into the cause, but I guess being ideologically pure is more important.

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                                                                          [–]postironyWarning: may create drama 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          They're not even that popular. This sub has more subscribers than they do, more than twice as many.

                                                                          [–]OmegaBlue0231Space Jam Wizard[🍰] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          SRD, the largest Socialist sub on Reddit!

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                                                                            [–]easyescape 335 ポイント336 ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                            I grew up in India and was closely involved with a lot of socialist orgs during my time in undergrad. We used to have a term for these sorts of 'socialists', we called them California Maoists. There defining characteristic was their complete and utter ignorance about the basics of life in a developing country backed up by a shocking amount of arrogance.

                                                                            They used to send money to supposedly Communist organisations in India and would celebrate the deaths of Indian policemen, while skating over the fact that the average policeman in India would earn less in a year than their parents spent on their coffee. Communists/socialists of all ilk, if they happen to have been born in the bubble of a first world country, have to be ignored whenever they arrogantly try to spout some bullshit about life in a developing nation. They don't have the first clue about anything and their insane privilege does nothing but completely overwhelm the voices of the actual victims.

                                                                            So /r/socialism- Lol and fuck you.

                                                                            [–]Sketch257Mozzarella Exceptionalism 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            California Maoists

                                                                            I would love to start using this term, but it means a lot less considering I'm currently in California and many of the people I'd call that are actually maoists :/

                                                                            [–]NoShoulderSurfing 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Boy, we have Maoists in Argentina too.

                                                                            They, to this day, defend the Cultural Revolution.

                                                                            The Cultural Revolution, CORAL

                                                                            [–]alphamone 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            There's also the "a massive revolution is the only way to enact political change" types that seemingly don't realize that

                                                                            A: most of their basic daily necessities rely at least in part on services managed by the government.

                                                                            B: revolutions don't always succeed

                                                                            C: those that don't often result in the government getting far worse in their treatment of malcontents

                                                                            D: those that do succeed don't necessarily result in the group that started it being the one in power

                                                                            [–]snallygasterFUCK_MOD$_420 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            They also seem to take for granted that they live in a place where there is a reasonable expectation of safety. It seems like they got all of their ideas about revolution from flashy movies and don't really understand that massive revolution = people dying all around you, ruined infrastructure, food insecurity, and uncertainty over whether you and your family will still be alive by the end of the day.

                                                                            [–]Kretzge 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                            Communists/socialists of all ilk, if they happen to have been born in the bubble of a first world country,

                                                                            I know several people from both Cuba and Venezuela and while they don't necessarily always shit on their home countries (though some do), they prefer the US/capitalism across the board.

                                                                            [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                            People from poor country like the standard of living in a rich country… I got the feeling that you would get exactly the same from people coming from poor capitalist countries.

                                                                            [–]IAMA_DRUNK_BEARSon, please. I'm an international airline pilot. I "get around" 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            But it's the functional capitalism that allows those countries to get rich in the first place. Yes, capitalism isn't a panacea and you need things like strong institutions and the rule of law for capitalism to function properly, but market economies dominate the world unilaterally for a reason.

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                                                                              [–]visforvdivine you feel me cuck 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              It's funny because I know Cubans and Venezuelans too, and while some prefer capitalism, some of the others feel that capitalism isn't a great system either and don't really prefer it over socialism. In my case though, the divide is roughly split on class lines though, the ones preferring capitalism are from families that are middle/middle upper class, while the ones who aren't fond of capitalism are from lower class families that arrived in poverty and have largely remained in poverty.

                                                                              I don't imagine this is true everywhere, but it does give me a feeling that one's feelings towards capitalism might be influenced by how it benefits you/your family.

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                                                                                  [–]GoldnSilverPrawn 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  Let me tell you about your country...

                                                                                  [–]UnavailableUsername_ 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                  /r/socialism is a joke.

                                                                                  [–]KahomiAru 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                  Fucking stupid shit, I fucking hate people that think Venezuela is in a good place, I have good friends in there and I can't do anything but see how bad they are doing, FUCK

                                                                                  [–]Defengara fallacy to surpass metal gear 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                  There's a recent article on r/worldnews right now showing that the average Venezuelan lost 19 pounds in 2016 due to lack of food :(

                                                                                  [–]goonch_fish 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                  I'm an International Relations student, and I shared this article with one of my classes. There was an audible gasp when I read aloud that 3/4 Venezuelans lost an AVERAGE of 19 lbs in the course of a year. 81% of households now live in poverty. Absolutely horrifying.

                                                                                  [–]kotegawa 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                  I knew it was bad, but THAT bad? How can anyone defend that regime?

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                                                                                    [–]Aztook 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Theres this article humanizing the police and saying how hard it is for them too, they are also starving and can't speak out or else they lose their job and which seems to be of a pathetic and low wages but they will also get jailed. I feel bad for everyone involved its just horrible, those who have even a little bit of power can't do anything and those who are in the inner circle are just doing...

                                                                                    Wait what the fuck are they doing? Like I herd the top military brass seem to be with parasite they call a leader but what about many of the others? I'm trying to just wrap my head around how everyone else on top is silently being fine with this.

                                                                                    [–]Blissfull 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    The top brass have families too, and that could turn the tide.

                                                                                    I fear what that ride would bring though. Not enough to repudiate it, but I still worry.

                                                                                    We're too used to fascist right military dictatorships in South America

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                                                                                      [–]TashreIf humility was a contest I would win. Every time. 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                      Wait, so... /r/vzla is brigading /r/socialism with... socialists?

                                                                                      [–]thelastbelugaI am one with the drama, the drama is with me 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                      God forbid there are any socialists that happen to be Venezuelan and would want to talk about their country in a megathread about Venezuela on r/socialism.

                                                                                      [–]GalterTeodosio 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                      Hey, it's me, the critical Venezuelan Socialist. I was banned, raised my concerns and got ignored. AMA.

                                                                                      [–]mPORTZERco-writer of gay ignorant Texan erotica 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      What are your thoughts on the album Trout mask replica?

                                                                                      [–]GalterTeodosio 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      I've never been a fan of Captain Beefheart, I'm more of a Zappa kind of guy. Having said that, I think that Trout Mask Replica is the perfect backdrop for Maduro's speeches. Reminisces me of my day to day in Venezuela, trying to keep a smile against all the real-life shitposting.

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                                                                                        [–]Works_of_memercySW 6193 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        They think that they are socialists but it just turned out that they were state capitalists all along!

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                                                                                          [–]TheFeret 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                                          Has anybody set up a socialist subreddit that is vehemently opposed to /r/Socialism, everything they stand for, and everything they do?

                                                                                          Seriously, that sub is a fuckin' embarrassment to the left.

                                                                                          [–]Works_of_memercySW 6193 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          /r/LeftWithoutEdge I think. I'm not a subscriber, but that was the idea.

                                                                                          [–]mgrier123¡Estoy muy furioso! 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          That was actually created to counter /r/LeftWithSharpEdge iirc but that sub has since been banned.

                                                                                          [–]Prince_Kropotkin¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          No, LWoE came first. LWSE was just to stalk us.

                                                                                          [–]fdelta1(((✡️ Saturn Worshipping Gangster Mafia Bankers ✡️))) 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          /r/shittankiessay

                                                                                          Not too active but super entertaining.

                                                                                          [–]MarxistZarathustraWIKIPEDIA IS NOT A SOURCE 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          /r/ultraleft

                                                                                          [–]IfUHadAZuneIHateYoujapanese adult video 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Every decent leftist sub hates /r/socialism

                                                                                          Full of role playing tankies

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                                                                                            [–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (68子コメント)

                                                                                            It's okay because everyone knows Venezuela was state capitalism

                                                                                            Socialism and Communism have never been tried

                                                                                            [–]whisperingmoon(◍•ᴗ•◍) casual scumbag, real-life bureaucrat 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                            (globe emoji) henlo fren

                                                                                            [–]SmienThis is why Trump won 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (56子コメント)

                                                                                            If there's something Venezuela have teached us, it's that you shouldn't base all of your economy on oil. 50% of the countries BNP was oil. It's really just economical mismanagement on a national level, it might just as well have happend if Venezuela was capitalist.

                                                                                            [–]Choppa790If we didn't take his airbase we'd be cucks. 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                            See the problem is that Venezuela had other industry before everything got nationalized and the country concentrated almost all its resources into oil production. That's not even the best lesson you can learn from Venezuela. How about not firing the 150,000 capable and knowledgeable engineers and managers just because they disagreed with you? My father worked for PDVSA and moved to private industry, meanwhile, many family members and friends of the family were summarily fired for signing the referendum petition.

                                                                                            Don't run continuous deficits. Don't be the epicenter of corruption in the entire country. Don't rail against rich people and have your daughter flash "Dolla Dolla Bills ya'll" on instagram. Or have multiple luxury suvs and homes in Florida.

                                                                                            [–]SmienThis is why Trump won 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                            See the problem is that Venezuela had other industry before everything got nationalized and the country concentrated almost all its resources into oil production.

                                                                                            Well yeah that's pretty much my point. Without a diverse economy they're really vulnerable to recession. Not a single country with half their GNP in oil would do well when oil prices go downhill. It's shitty economic managment, and that's not really exclusive to socialist regimes.

                                                                                            [–]AngryAlt1 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            I know it's a cliche, but economic diversity is something that free markets tend to solve pretty well. The problem is that no central authority can get everything right; free markets are naturally distributed amongst any and all profit-making venture, so this is exactly the kind of problem that Communism is especially suseptable to.

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                                                                                                [–]Pedante32 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Venezuela was already having a food shortage crisis when the price of oil was at above 100$/barrel.

                                                                                                [–]50baht 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Yes, which is totally proved by countries like Colombia, Brasil, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc.

                                                                                                And theres totally no correlation with Venezuelan oil exports beginning a long, sustained crash in 2002 because Chavez wasn't elected until... Oh shit, he was elected in 2002.

                                                                                                [–]coco-o 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                so you're saying the problem comes from being a centrally planned economy? Hmm, I wonder what the alternative to that could be....

                                                                                                [–]SmienThis is why Trump won 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                Antiauthoritarian, decentralized local democracy with worker owned means of production, combined with direct democracy and the ability to replace elected politicians or representatives if they dont do their job? I hear ya!

                                                                                                [–]50baht 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                with worker owned means of production

                                                                                                If I'm a worker, I own a portion of the means of production. So I guess if I work at a shoe factory, I own part of the factory and have claim to the profits. Cool.

                                                                                                If I own a portion of the factory and profits, can I sell that ownership to someone else?

                                                                                                If yes, whats the difference between this and capitalism?

                                                                                                If no, how can you say I own something if I can't sell it voluntarily?

                                                                                                edit: Great answers below. Thanks.

                                                                                                [–]wote89 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                The idea is that you can't separate yourself from the value of that stake without either separating yourself from the factory—in which case you no longer have a stake in the production of the factory—or from the full value of your labor. So, the real question is whether your stake in the factory ought to be inalienable from your labor.

                                                                                                If the answer is yes, then your ownership is not derived from your ability to sell that labor-value, but from the fact that it is a consequence of your direct action and labor. It's akin to making something for your personal use or enjoyment that has little-to-no market value. You still own that thing, even if you cannot sell it, and you still derive value from it.

                                                                                                If the answer is no, then the difference from capitalism is that you're at least a direct actor in determining the value of your labor rather than subject a third party's profit motive. Your stake in the factory would be a direct reflection of both the collective value of your goods in the greater market and your personal contribution to the creation of that value.

                                                                                                Would it work perfectly? No, but neither does any other model when applied to the real world and subjected to human action. The end-goal is to at least reduce the distance between the value of the individual's labor and the value they derive from it.

                                                                                                [–]freakboy2k 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                You own part of it by virtue of working on it. Individually, don't own it, all workers collectively own it.

                                                                                                We can have these already under capitalism, they're called Worker's Co-operatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative and some of them are quite successful (Mondragon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3n_Cooperative_Corporation in Spain is a pretty good example of this).

                                                                                                If I own a portion of the factory and profits, can I sell that ownership to someone else?

                                                                                                Shares in the company are granted based on you working there, and are forfeit as soon as you aren't working there.

                                                                                                If no, how can you say I own something if I can't sell it voluntarily?

                                                                                                You could say the same thing about share options that you forfeit by leaving a company before they vest, or any other restricted share ownership scheme. Plenty of them exist in today's society, I've been a part of a few of them already (nothing interesting like a co-op, just startups that have restricted share programs due to shareholder agreements that require the approval of the major shareholders for any share transactions).

                                                                                                [–]0729370220937022stupid, lazy, unconcerned 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                socialism usually entails the end of wage-for-labour and money as a means of exchange. You could not "sell" your ownership because you couldn't "sell" anything

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                                                                                                    [–]misko91wut 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    it's that you shouldn't base all of your economy on oil

                                                                                                    I mean it worked out pretty well for Libya (I mean except for the civil war, but that's more because of the whole dictatorship thing and systematic destruction of all the institutions in their country then their economy). They were a country that was so poor, the largest source of income in 1951 was salvage from WW2 battlefields. And yet even under Gaddafi's frankly nutty domestic reforms ("SOCIAL EQUALITY! ALSO SOCIALISM! ALSO SHARIAH LAW!"), they still went from one of Africa's poorest countries to one with a life expectancy just under that of the US.

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                                                                                                        [–]MalHeartsNutmeg 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                        What's the deal with all the commies on reddit?

                                                                                                        I mean you're entitled to your opinion but over the last 2-3 years it seems like a lot of communists rolled up expressing its virtues.

                                                                                                        [–]TheFatMistakeviciously anti-free speech 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                                        Lmao I think I've just read the funniest argument I've ever seen on Reddit

                                                                                                        https://np.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/6bxgka/rsocialism_has_a_discussion_on_venezuela_and_bans/dhqbayp?context=2

                                                                                                        Read the first chain till the end!

                                                                                                        [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                        That seems like two people wanting to have two completely separated discussions.

                                                                                                        [–]TheFatMistakeviciously anti-free speech 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                        Rymdkommunist made a claim that people from /r/vzla are upper middle class. The other guy called him out for assuming that simply because they don't agree with him. Rymdkommunist denies he assumed anything over and over again and the other guy just keeps quoting him word for word where he assumed /r/vzla is upper middle class.

                                                                                                        Edit crap, I let out the context. The first comment is important for the chain.

                                                                                                        [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                                        Rymdkommunist is saying that people from /r/vzla are upper middle class.

                                                                                                        The other guy is talking in vague terms about "anyone who is against socialism must be either a reactionary or a capitalist"

                                                                                                        Rymdkommunist thinks he is being accused of saying that anybody who disagree with him is upper middle class, which he didn't, he said that people from the subreddit /r/vzla are upper middle class, which is almost certainly correct as they are English speaking people with Internet access.

                                                                                                        Neither side seems to actually grasp what the other is saying.

                                                                                                        [–]misko91wut 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Neither side seems to actually grasp what the other is saying.

                                                                                                        Sounds like literally every argument I've ever had.

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                                                                                                          [–]ncrted 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          I mean its already a massive echo-chamber, so it won't make that much of a difference, it will just make it more similar to the "Podemos" subreddit. On another note, this is now the second sub I'm banned from! Good thing, the_cheeto was getting a bit lonely being the only name in my banned list

                                                                                                          [–]AtheismTooStronk 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                          Try /r/hillaryforprison

                                                                                                          Post that one of the initial reasons they gave for the Comey firing was that he was too hard on her. Another easy addition to your list.

                                                                                                          [–]ButterflyAttackEurocuck 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                          I fuckin hate /r/socialism

                                                                                                          Mostly because I'm sorta a socialist.

                                                                                                          [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                          The first identifier of a socialist is a deep hatred for all those other socialist who are just doing everything wrong.

                                                                                                          Dialectic materialism is not an accurate way to see historical development you idiots.

                                                                                                          [–]aeioqu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          It's historical materialism, not dialectical materialism. Perfectly fine way of viewing historical development

                                                                                                          [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                          No, I mean specifically the dialectic aspect of the historical materialism. Marx had this oversimplified linear version of history in which class struggle had this Hegelian relation of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. And it really doesn’t make much sense once you actually start looking at historical class relationships through history, especially outside Europe which is the entire source of Marx analysis.

                                                                                                          [–]Reacher_Said_Nothing 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          I love socialism. But /r/socialism is cancer.

                                                                                                          [–]Shake_n_bake90 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                                          The socialism ideology is almost a theology to them.

                                                                                                          It's really weird how people can be so narrow minded to other ideologies.

                                                                                                          [–]sex_tourismI bet the liberals did this 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                          Now now, they have all kinds of ideologies there. Tankies of all power levels, maoists, NK supporters, probably even some anarcho-tankie-primitivist-marxists too. It is a very open minded community. Just remember to joke about violent revolution and killings of political opposition, and you are fine!

                                                                                                          PS. no cat girls allowed.

                                                                                                          [–]True_Jack_FalstaffCatgirls is an expression of misogynist objectification 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                          PS. no cat girls allowed.

                                                                                                          I still have the flair from that one.

                                                                                                          [–]postironyWarning: may create drama 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                          Somehow I missed this one. Is it redundant to say, 'God, what a bunch of power drunk idiots'? How do even get power drunk off subreddit moderation?

                                                                                                          [–]goatsareeverywhereEnergy works through relationships 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Here you go!

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                                                                                                            [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                            -Cries socialdemocratically-

                                                                                                            And this is why we killed Rosa Luxemburg for?

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                                                                                                                [–]DornishPirate 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                Full disclosure, I consider myself a socialist but I hate the mods over there (and occasionally /r/LateStageCapitalism). They do shit like this that gives it a bad name.

                                                                                                                [–]Reacher_Said_Nothing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                Am also a socialist. Am also agreeing that both those subs are cancer

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                                                                                                                  [–]starkillerrx"Let them fight." 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                  "What does a random capitalist dictatorship in South America have to do with socialism?"

                                                                                                                  God those people are fucking delusional.

                                                                                                                  [–]visforvdivine you feel me cuck 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Despite what people say, this is really more a lesson about not staking your entire economy in one finite source of wealth, rather than how socialism is Inherently The Devil.

                                                                                                                  [–]Atimo3Your meme is dank and you should feel dank[S] 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Also, don't elect a bus driver as president, he may not be prepared to run a country.

                                                                                                                  [–]visforvdivine you feel me cuck 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Do what my family's country did and instead have a junta!

                                                                                                                  (Note: Do not do this).

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                                                                                                                      [–]goonch_fish 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                                      I'll just throw in this link to r/neoliberal's take on all this, because god dammit if they aren't my favorite subreddit right now.

                                                                                                                      An infinite number of socialists with an infinite number of keyboards typing random words will eventually create an economic system that works.

                                                                                                                      [–]lebron181 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                      The irony is that they are trying to rebrand neoliberal when it already has a definition.

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                                                                                                                        [–]explohddo your own research numbnuts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        OP, here's a link to the oldest archive of the r/Socialism post. It does confirm they will ban those from r/vzla.

                                                                                                                        [–]bathroomstalin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Adolescents gonna adolesce.

                                                                                                                        [–]Ayallore95 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Lot of the users were angry at the mods for that iirc

                                                                                                                        [–]Forseti5Popcorn for the people! 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Funny how advocates of socialism never want to hear from those pesky people who have had to actually live under those regimes.

                                                                                                                        [–]alien88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Socialism has been a shitty leftist thread subreddit for a while now. There are many better ones.

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