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Hi Mods,

I wanted to follow up on the CSS and redesign post from a few weeks back and provide some more information as well as clarify some questions that have emerged.

Based on your feedback, we will allow you to continue to use CSS on top of the new structured styles. This will be the last part of the customization tool we build as we want to make sure the structured options we are offering are rock solid. Also, please keep in mind that if you do choose to use the advanced option, we will no longer be treading as carefully as we have done in the past about breaking styles applied through CSS1.

To give you a sense of our approach, we’re starting with a handful of highly-customized communities (e.g. r/overwatch and r/gameofthrones) and seeing how close we can get to their existing appearance using the new system. Logos, images, colors, spoilers, menus, flairs (all kinds), and lots more will be supported. I know you’d like to see a list of everything, but we think the best approach will be to show instead of tell, which we’re racing to as quickly as possible.

The widget system I mentioned in the last post isn’t directly related. Many communities have added complex functionality over the years (calendars, scoreboards, etc). A widget system will elevate these features to first-class status on Reddit, with the aim of making them both more powerful and reuseable. Yes, we’re evaluating how we would accept user-created widgets. We intend for widgets to be able to be updated via the API, so you’ll still be able to create dynamically updating content in your subreddit sidebar.

This change, and the redesign in general, is going to happen slowly. We will will not be abruptly cutting everyone over to the new site at once. We know it won’t be perfect at first (unlike the current site), and plan to include plenty of time to solicit feedback and make iterations. Sharing our plans for subreddit customization this far advance with you is part of this process.

We’ll start with a small alpha group and create a subreddit to solicit feedback. As we continue to add features, we’ll expand the testing group to an opt-in beta. If you’d like to participate in the alpha please add a reply to this comment. Please note, signing up does not guarantee a spot in the alpha. We want to be able to be responsive to the alpha testers, and keeping the initial group small has proved to be effective in the past.

I’d like thank everyone who has provided feedback on this topic. There have been some very constructive threads. I’d also like to take a moment to appreciate how civil the feedback has been. This is a topic many of you feel passionate about. Thank you for keeping things constructive.

Cool?

Cool.

 

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[–]powerlanguage[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (623子コメント)

Please reply to this comment with your subreddit name if you're interested in it being included in the alpha.

[–]cool_creeper500[🍰] 743 ポイント744 ポイント  (175子コメント)

Thanks for listening and caring spez, quick question, what led to the dumb idea of removing CSS?

[–]spez[S,A] 921 ポイント922 ポイント  (133子コメント)

It was u/powerlanguage. I've been telling him for weeks he's crazy, but r/place really went to his head.

But, actually... Everything I said in the last post is still true. CSS shouldn't be the only way to customize a community. We are still going to build a structured system, which will be more accessible, cross-platform, and less brittle. If we do a job with this and the widget system, I expect CSS to be less required, but we can leave CSS for more advanced use-cases.

Happy Cakeday!

[–]NewJerseyFreakshow 332 ポイント333 ポイント  (18子コメント)

CSS shouldn't be the only way to customize a community. We are still going to build a structured system, which will be more accessible, cross-platform, and less brittle. If we do a job with this and the widget system, I expect CSS to be less required, but we can leave CSS for more advanced use-cases.

I'm so happy right now. Thank you for actually listening. That means more than you'd ever think for us. I do NOT want to lose the identity of the many subs I mod for. Some of these subs would never be the same without the sarcastic or funny css I installed.

My glass is raised to you admins!

[–]cool_creeper500[🍰] 262 ポイント263 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Everyone attack powerlanguage! Jk

Yeah, you have a point, but I think having an option will be better, good luck with the new way :)

Also, woah! The owner of reddit replied to my comment, and told me happy cakeday :3

Thanks, and have a great day!

[–]sarahbotts 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

We have a pretty cool OC-bot for /r/dataisbeautiful that would break if CSS were removed. Pretty glad we'll still be able to use it.

Also - on /r/leagueoflegends we have an integration with Riot's API to have information on upcoming matches. Would be nice to still be able to do that.

[–]Ambiwlans 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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(┛◉Д◉)┛彡 u/powerlanguage

[–]saladmaker 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"It was totally powerlanguage who suggested removing CSS!" - /u/spez

[–]__Clever_Username__ 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was wondering why you didn't go with this 2-tier decision in the first place, and sidestep all of the inevitable backlash and controversy.

Oh well, thank you for seeing sense in the end.

[–]jampola 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was u/powerlanguage.

Geez, way to get thrown under the bus, sheesh!

[–]dietotaku 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

having worked with a similar system on some old (OLD) school websites, it's really the best of both worlds. a widget-based, WYSIWYG system gives the accessibility to get a total novice started, and an overlaying stylesheet that can accomplish literally anything provides opportunity for the user's knowledge and skill base to continue to grow. i feel much more at ease having the option to experiment with the new system to see how it might improve my styles, but still being able to rely on CSS to fine-tune it and make it what i really want.

we will no longer be treading as carefully as we have done in the past about breaking styles applied through CSS

i'm not even remotely worried, probably half of what i've learned about CSS has been through un-breaking a stylesheet that got unexpectedly borked through some sitewide change (most recently, having to incorporate the new modmail icon). i'm confident that whatever breaks, CSS can fix it.

[–]disgustipated 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CSS shouldn't be the only way to customize a community.

Thank you for understanding that reddit's a community first.

[–]ITSigno 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you're describing sounds like an excellent solution.

And if some of the new style options or widgets can replace what we do with CSS, even better. Happy to move those things into a structured system where we can. Also happy to keep CSS for all those unique community enhancements and esoteric functionality.

Thank you for listening to the feedback.

[–]powerlanguage[A] 882 ポイント883 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Thanks boss.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (32子コメント)

CSS shouldn't be the only way to customize a community.

That doesn't answer the question "why were you going to remove CSS". Removing it doesn't make it no longer the "only way". It just replaces one way with another.

I also still don't understand why you and the Reddit admins keep poo-pooing CSS as something that isn't "crossplatform." I mean, the fuck?

[–]TheEnemyOfMyAnenome 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, thanks spez. This kind of stuff might not get the articulation that it deserves, but for many people when you listen to the community like this it silently restores a lot of hope in the administration's commitment to reddit's core values. I was starting to get seriously worried around the announcement the new profile thing but you've assuaged a lot of that.

[–]Empyrealist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm all for CSS enhancements, but I'd love to see some restrictions put in place to stop subs from hiding or otherwise manipulating basic reddit features and controls.

[–]legacymedia92 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CSS shouldn't be the only way to customize a community.

Agreed, but the idea of removing it as an option was a bad idea.

[–]Teuthex 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That seems like a pretty legit explanation and a solid compromise.

No complaints, for once. What an odd feeling.

[–]thenoisymerc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you so much for this! Seeing that Reddit is such a tightly knit close community that listens to everyone's voice is so heart warming.

Cheers to you admins!

[–]vikinick 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for listening spez. I completely understand the choice you had to make and I understand you chose the one that will take a whole lot more work to implement, but you definitely made the right choice.

[–]probablyhrenrai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I for one really appreciate you guys allowing those of us who use CSS to keep our formatting. Thanks for listening.

[–]cisxuzuul 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm ok without css. I block subReddit styles in my browser because of the shitty experience on many subs.

[–]ChiliManiac 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you so much! /r/MouseReview wouldn't be the same without CSS.

[–]Crysalim 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks a ton for this. Legacy compatibility is so important!

[–]ShadowMadness 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a mod, but i'm glad you guys listened to the community. A lot of places just ignore their users complaints and so when the higher ups actually listen, it definitely makes me respect them more.

[–]wazowski_kachowski 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thank you so much u/spez! i just learned css and was heartbroken that all my work was going to go to waste. you definitely made the right call on this one! love, u/wazowski_kachowski

[–]Sn0_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will subreddits be able to use CSS in conjunction with the new system? Arguably allowing them to break more things, but also give them more freedom and headroom for what they can do.

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      [–]Isentrope 183 ポイント184 ポイント  (126子コメント)

      Spez do you like onions.

      [–]spez[S] 360 ポイント361 ポイント  (91子コメント)

      I like onions. I don't love onions. I didn't like them as a kid, but they say your tastes change every seven years, and I adopted onions in my 20s.

      The real enemy here are olives.

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      [–]_Nohbdy_ 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I don't like onions. They're coarse and rough and irritating. And they get everywhere.

      [–]I_Am_Batgirl 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Spez, we at r/onionlovers welcome you. However, as a representative of r/olivelovers I'd like to say we'd love a chance to sit down to a delicious meal with you where we will do our best to help you see the light.

      [–]nt337 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      frist of all how dare yo u

      [–]abrownn 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You shut your whore mouth, olives are god tier. Eggplant on the other hand... that's where your hate should be directed. Why are they purple? They're not eggs! What are they plotting???

      [–]ELFAHBEHT_SOOP 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Well, this is disgusting.

      Also: /r/OliveLovers

      [–]Phermaportus 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I like onions.

      http://i.imgur.com/c6if3r6.gif

      [–]thirdegree 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The real enemy here are olives.

      On this we can all agree.

      Also onions are a force for good in the world.

      [–]tydestra 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      The real enemy here are olives.

      Yes, fuck olives.

      [–]noahwhygodwhy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Like, normal olives, or black olives? Pitted is mandatory ofc.

      Also, don't you know spez? Black Olives matter.

      [–]LukeBabbitt 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Forget CSS, this is the stand the admins need to be making. Thank you for your profile in courage.

      [–]Bardfinn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      real enemy here are olives

      /#MartiniSpitTake

      [–]NewJerseyFreakshow 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The real enemy here are olives.

      Why spez? Why?

      /r/OnionLovers

      /r/OliveLovers

      [–]Crimson_Shiroe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I lost faith in you, u/spez when I read you and the other admins were removing CSS. But hating olives? Now I'm not sure if I should continue to use reddit.

      [–]kwwxis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      spez whyyyyyyy :sadparrot:

      [–]Teufelzorn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      olives are amazing 1v1 me

      [–]sodypop 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      spez pls

      [–]Llim 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh god what have you done

      [–]coastdweller69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Eventually you grow up and realize how twisted Reddit actually has become under your leadership.

      [–]ShaneH7646 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You have been banned from r/OnionHate

      [–]tuturuatu 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The real enemy here are olives.

      I too was a child once.

      [–]somethinglikesalsa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      triggered

      triggered hard..............................................................................

      ......................................................... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck

      [–]Mister_Jay_Peg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Olives are ProCSS, spez.

      [–]imnoidiot5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good enough for me

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          [–]this_old_can 309 ポイント310 ポイント  (30子コメント)

          If we opt-in to the alpha, can we pull out if the alpha fucks things up too much?

          [–]spez[S,A] 378 ポイント379 ポイント  (29子コメント)

          The alpha will be a separate website, so, yes.

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          [–]BurntJoint 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Will there still be the option of disabling CSS, and/or whatever new system you implement?

          I know those of us who dont like CSS didn't get start an "anti-CSS" subreddit because it shouldn't be a battle between moderators/users, but i hope there is still an option for people like me who prefer to not use it at all.

          ninja edit - apparently there are anti CSS subreddits according to the metabot...

          [–]TheEnemyOfMyAnenome 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Wait waht

          [–]this_old_can 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Thanks!

          [–]guitarcodebakeseduce 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Are you doing anything about the politics bots astroturfing thousand identical threads on thousand identical newly created subs, sometimes with 5 posts/second creation rate?

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            [–]frahm9 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (21子コメント)

            Thank you for listening guys. If I pick CSS, will I be able to customize mobile?

            [–]spez[S,A] 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (20子コメント)

            It won't be one or the other, but CSS won't affect mobile.

            [–]onlywrin 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            This is a good thing IMO. When browsing on mobile I prefer all subs to look the same and for them to have the minimal amount of un-needed clutter. I like seeing text flairs, beyond that anything else is annoying.

            [–]PM-ME-XBOX-MONEY 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Will you be able to turn off mobile customization like you can with CSS on desktop? I don't know how many people will do it (I love subreddit customization) but it should still be a feature.

            [–]JadedDarkness 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So you could have customization for the mobile version using the new tools and CSS for the desktop version?

            [–]throwaway-yeg123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            If you're going to do all this, how long until existing features (like flair) are ported to mobile?

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              [–]carpy22 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (35子コメント)

              So /r/CFB can keep it's CSS and flair system as-is?

              [–]spez[S,A] 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (34子コメント)

              We're building a new flair system that's way more powerful than what you have to do now.

              [–]Zerosa 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (25子コメント)

              Able to handle ~2600 unique flair and ~6 million dual flair combos?

              [–]bakonydraco 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is awesome! I'm really excited to see you working directly with subs to integrate the features they have in an easier way. What's the best way for us to track/request features? Particularly with respect to flair, but more generally too.

              [–]jayhawx19 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Will we be able to keep it if this new system doesn't work as we'd like?

              [–]qtx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Will it still be possible to add multiple classes to user/linkflair like we have now?

              I have a few subs that use 2 css classes for certain flairs.

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                [–]Drunken_Economist 115 ポイント116 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                spez wat about srs

                [–]spez[S] 274 ポイント275 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                They can have CSS too.

                [–]UnknownNam3 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is the best response you could have given without revealing any opinions or plans.

                [–]pi_over_3 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Selective rule enforcement confirmed.

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                    [–]geltoid 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Thank you so much for really listening to the community and really showing that you care to make Reddit a better place.

                    I would have never even gone near CSS if it wasn't for Reddit's ability for users to customize their experience. I spent a long time learning about it - from experimentation, to asking the wonderful Reddit community, to scouring the net - in order to help create a place truly unique to my little corner of the internet.

                    What became of that is /r/starwarsspeculation. Sure, it's not perfect, and I'm sure there's a ton of things an expert coder could nitpick about, but it's an accomplishment that I'm glad I was able to acheive.

                    You admins made the best possible choice by offering a way for the community of Reddit to integrate with the changes that you want to make here. By working together, you will only make this great website only greater.

                    Thanks again!

                    [–]Supertrinko 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    we will no longer be treading as carefully as we have done in the past about breaking styles applied through CSS

                    Pretty fair compromise. People were saying in retaliation to the last announcement that they would prefer to have to rebuild, rather than not have any options at all.

                    At the very least though, notice of "Warning: If you're using CSS, it might break." would be great.

                    How you're now intending on doing things, that sounds like an even better system than is currently in place, so I'm excited!

                    [–]reseph 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks spez. Allowing CSS customization on top of widgets and considering user-created widgets is exactly what I felt would be the right direction. Cool cool cool.

                    I have no beef with a desktop redesign, so I forward to the future.

                    [–]allthefoxes 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    I think this is great, and I think "you can have css in exchange for us breaking it more often" is the fairest compromise I could really ask for.

                    Thanks mates

                    [–]allthefoxes 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think the best part about having CSS in this new platform is it will show you what the users/mods think needs a focus on. Just how all the crazy css hacks now are inspiring redesign, the continued crazy css hacks will help show things that need to be made

                    [–]T_Dumbsford 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This is awesome. Thank you so much /u/spez and all the admins and devs involved in this. All we ever wanted was some type of compromise. As one of the very original mods who stood against this change, let me say I appreciate you guys, and the gratitude is real.

                    [–]ZadocPaet 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    One more question about subs that want to use CSS and widgets. Several of my subs want to sign up for the alpha; will be be able to use widgets AND CSS at the same time?

                    Thanks!

                    Edit: One more question. Will users be able to disable widget styles in their preferences page like they can now for CSS? At /r/procss, that was the number one reason we saw for people not liking CSS.

                    [–]nullpixel 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Wow, didn't expect this.

                    Thanks for listening!

                    [–]aalp234 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks for listening to the community Spez, this is a very positive response for all of us mods.

                    [–]imnotlegolas 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Highly unpopular opinion, but I was looking forward to the removal of CSS and a more uniform Reddit, with still changeable banners and logo's. There's tons of subreddits where I switch off CSS because it's so invasive, and plenty are used that make user experience more difficult because the way it's implemented.

                    [–]iam666 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    /u/spez , what about /r/ooer ? Will it be negatively affected by the changes?

                    [–]ZadocPaet 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Hi /u/spez,

                    Thank you for this post. As person pretty vested in reddit, I am happy and relieved. This really should've been the first post, but hey, a week makes everyone wiser.

                    I wanted to ask if there will be a possibility for users to dev some of the widgets.

                    Thanks!

                    [–]ggAlex[A] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    We are looking into ways of making user developed widgets possible.

                    [–]ZadocPaet 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    We did it, reddit!?

                    [–]lovemeorrageme 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you so much. I've had the pleasure of working with some very talented CSS mods on multiple different subreddits who have created some really awesome themes, flairs, etc. I'm curious to see what you guys roll out, but I'm also very glad that it doesn't have to be at the expense of CSS.

                    Thanks for actually listening to the community.

                    [–]aphoenix 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you for listening to the moderators. I've been kind of doom and gloom on the topic for the last week or so, so I'm very happy to be wrong about how this is going down.

                    I'm wondering if we could get something like a Roadmap? It would be great if we could see what features are in the works and that we could expect in the future.

                    [–]CuffRox 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    A large corporation that listens to the community. Reddit is incredible.

                    [–]CursedBlackCat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Kudos to the admins for going so far as to putting the pro CSS logo on this subreddit.

                    [–]Jelman21 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Thanks so much for keeping CSS. It's what makes reddit and subreddits unique

                    [–]Hilltopchill 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Great to know that you feel similar to us. Thanks for this write up!

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                    [–]pomosexuality 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I really would like to thank you for reconsidering. It's reassuring to see that the community stood strongly for this feature and to see the admins listen.

                    [–]calexil 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    /u/spez

                    on behalf of everyone at /r/procss and our massive, list of supporters, I would just like to say.. Thank you for listening.

                    -cal

                    [–]fireork12 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So is it essentially a keep CSS if you want, but the second option is there if you want?

                    [–]the_black_panther_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This'll probably be lost in all the other comments but thank you /u/spez, for listening to us. Seriously. It usually feels like the admins just give us empty words and pandering but you guys actually took our thoughts into account and came up with a great solution for both sides. Great job guys

                    [–]ExtraShard 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This was a surprise on my front page.

                    Thank you for listening to the community!

                    [–]tuturuatu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I'm ambivalent to the CSS changes (mostly because it's stupidly hard to work with), but I don't really understand what the impetus for the proposed changes were for. Was that it? Or did reddit want more control over what subreddits could do, like hiding the downvote button?

                    [–]love_the_heat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you for the update spez. Has there been any word on anything that can be done with our reddit gold themes? I actually use one to help me moderate my multireddits. It's a lot of help. Thank you

                    [–]sephrinx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank god. Having every page be a boring, static form/structure would be mind blowingly boring. I'm glad that you guys have rethought the idea and will continue to allow kick ass CSS.

                    [–]SaberMarie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank goodness. I am quite relieved at the news.

                    [–]quenishi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Glad sanity has prevailed! When I first read about the changes, I thought that this way is the far better way of doing it - allowing a transition period, so people can be confident that the new system can replace the old... or offer a very easy way of backing out if it turns out not-so-good.

                    Was going to post on the original thread, but I was very late to the party :P.

                    Will be interesting to see what these changes mean to third party apps!

                    [–]AstroturfingBot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Listen spez, I'm happy for you, and ima let you finish. But when are the search engine bugs getting fixed?

                    [–]V2Blast 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Cool beans. Glad you guys were willing to make a compromise. It's good to have common functionalities be native, but it's also nice to be able to customize stuff beyond what's commonly used (sometimes even developing new features that might not have been thought of otherwise). Thanks :)

                    [–]Austin_N 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I wish Wikia had been this accommodating.

                    [–]The_Asian_Hamster 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I just wanna say gg for listening admins

                    [–]avapoet 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Today, you are both the hero that Reddit wants and the hero that Reddit deserves.

                    [–]Whatsanoption 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    /r/WallStreetBets CSS needs to work or else lots of money will be lost

                    [–]supremecrafters 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This is fantastic news! Thank you for listening. I will be watching the widget system closely; I'm very excited to see how it turns out. I think the two-sided system will be good for everyone involved.

                    [–]DS_Lite 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm merely a smut-peddler, but I do like a bit of CSS shenanigans too. Having better customisation tools available, and CSS for those who want it, seems like a win-win. Nice one!

                    [–]Zerak-Tul 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good job not Digg-ing yourself into an early grave.

                    [–]onlywrin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I like this. I see both sides of the debate and often find myself in favor of CSS, but fully supported customization tools will be really good for the website.

                    [–]JustAnotherINFTP 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    To give you a sense of our approach, we’re starting with a handful of highly-customized communities (e.g. r/overwatch and r/gameofthrones)

                    Tfw not /r/ooer

                    [–]CS315 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    As long as I can turn off css that reduces text size or goes too far with padding and margins or hides the downvote button im good

                    [–]vikinick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you so very, very much for this.

                    [–]throwwawayy_lmao 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I have brought peace to my new empire!

                    [–]totallykvothe 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Boom shakalaka!!

                    [–]rideride 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good decision :D

                    [–]Warlizard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Whatever. We all know the truth.

                    It was Russia who came up with the idea.

                    [–]freshwordsalad 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Can we have a way to disable subreddit CSS without being logged in? Maybe a query flag or something?

                    [–]ninjaofpatience 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Honestly, css is the myspace layout of reddit. I know people get really attached to it, but it is without fail clunky and ugly.

                    [–]TehVulpez 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We will will not be abruptly cutting everyone over...

                    You messed up a little bit.

                    [–]thinrwazhere 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Praise jesus, thank you mods, you scared the absolute shit out of us (r/trees)

                    [–]Mackin-N-Cheese 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    So, "on top of" as in concurrently with, or as in pick one or the other?

                    [–]NorseFenrir 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    ProCSS lyf yo

                    [–]D0cR3d 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    thank you.

                    [–]turikk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you.

                    [–]Paradoxa77 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    This is an excellent decision. Our subreddit's (/r/summonerschool) moderator applications value CSS experience way too highly, in which an otherwise less-favorable moderator get considered over other qualified candidates, solely due to the demand for someone to help style our subreddit.

                    I hope this change will allow communities to continue using CSS at their discretion, but also lets those less experienced in it to exercise creative freedom over their subreddit design.

                    [–]tajjet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Thanks so much for this change of direction.

                    Can you offer any insight as to how much CSS performance will be taken into mind with the new system? I've noticed severe performance problems with some heavily customized pages like /r/politics and /r/overwatch on multiple devices and browsers.

                    Will features like linkflair filtering, image flair, sidebar accordions and so on be js or server-side solutions, or will they continue to be primarily CSS?

                    [–]vit05 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Funny. I was listening to your class on Startup School right now, again.

                    Sometimes is really difficult to push changes on users. But what is really cool about what is happening here, at least for me, is that making concessions could lead to better understand everything that users and mods want to do with Reddit. Like the SelfPost. It is hard to predict what will work, but I am excited about what widgets will be created by users.

                    [–]ICantThinkOfNameHelp 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Success!

                    [–]draginator 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Raucous cheering can be heard from all across the land.

                    [–]tac2987342 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Sounds great, spez- thanks.

                    We would love to be included over at /r/europeannationalism/.

                    e: Also /r/WhiteRights/ + /r/Gott_mit_uns + /r/White_Pride/ + /r/WhiteNationalism/ + wait, how many characters is allowed in one comment? There are a lot of hate subreddits that could benefit from some attention. Please do something about these places, /u/spez.

                    [–]Exaskryz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That's great to hear you listened. I'm fine with more options for community customization, that's always good. I'm sure you are right that a majority of subreddits that are hardly customized can actually benefit from your custom design implementation and encourage the moderators to do customization, but definitely the advanced capabilities of CSS should not be removed.

                    [–]PMOS-FTL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I am concerned that this will be taken as "hey, once we have what the popular subs do now as widgets, we can remove CSS".

                    One of the real advantages of CSS is that you can prototype and do new things, not just the same that everyone else does. It doesn't sound like the widget system will do that.

                    Also, as a user, will the widget system be disable-able?

                    [–]Smilodon-Fatalis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hell yeah! I was just about to give up on CSS.

                    [–]jpflathead -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    As a user and mod, I want to be able to disable all subreddit CSS. ALL OF IT.

                    Subreddit CSS is a terrible burden on the disabled, and on many populations.

                    Some custom stylesheets render invisible the "use subreddit style" button. Those subreddits should be considered as breaking reddit, and frankly, imnsho disabling or hiding that button should be a banning offense.

                    [–]k_princess 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Curious as to why /u/spez makes his announcements on Friday afternoons...All it does is gives us users time over the weekend to fully pick apart words and possible intents.

                    [–]ThisBetterBeWorthIt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks guys. Over on /r/codcompetitive we're pretty reliant on css for things like our match threads and verifying users. We're not against design changes, but it would have been a big hit to just lose features.

                    [–]rbevans 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

                    [–]ShaneH7646 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Good. now the criclejerk that is r/procss can fucking die

                    [–]sexrockandroll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We did it, reddit!

                    We got the admins to keep the CSS!

                    [–]eightNote 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    choose to use the advanced option, we will no longer be treading as carefully as we have done in the past about breaking styles applied through CSS1.

                    I'm 100÷ okay with this. it's just more stuff to play with can you let us know when it will happen though?

                    [–]Bardfinn 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    WOOOOOOOOOO

                    I'm proud of ya! That's how ya do it!

                    [–]wardrich 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    /u/spez - could you elaborate on this point? "we will no longer be treading as carefulLy as we have done in the past about breaking styles applied through CSS"

                    Does this mean that you may make drastic changes to classes and IDs w/o warning?

                    [–]The_Asian_Hamster 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    /u/stock_character good css news

                    [–]theZcuber 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So just to be clear, widgets will be added with the new site design. Breaking CSS changes will be made, but it will continue to be allowed (for desktop)?

                    Side note, when will we be getting mobile numbers added to traffic stats?

                    [–]imnoidiot5 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    We have the best admins, don't we folks

                    [–]MrPippen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank you for listening to the community. Knowing you decided to be responsive, open and willing to change is great for the community's trust and feelings towards the guys behind this amazing site. So good on you.

                    [–]Mynotoar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This really means a lot, to know that you've listened to the community. That anyone who said "Guys, just accept the decision, it's their website and it's not a democracy," sold you short as admins. Good on y'all.

                    [–]everypostepic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Make sure you use proper W3C valid CSS code.

                    [–]AlphaChipOnYoutube 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Okay, so you've spoken about existing aesthetic and features, but what about new features? I think the main reason people are fighting this is because hacking CSS has led to everything good Reddit has.

                    [–]Annakha 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I just found out yesterday that Tumblr has Two-Factor Authentication.

                    Tumblr.

                    Is that necessary aspect of a modern forum of this caliber feature even on the radar yet?

                    Tumblr. seriously.

                    [–]Kougeru 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    CSS is awful because it makes everyone think they can yell at mobile users for not using "the resources on the side bar". Sorry but CSS doesn't work on mobile, there isn't any fucking sidebar.

                    [–]TwentyfootAngels 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Frick yeah, this is fantastic! I love what CSS can do but I look forward to trying out these widgets in the full build!

                    Thank you so much for listening to us and giving us the choice.

                    [–]Redbiertje 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Spez, honestly, if I could kiss you right now I would. Thanks for listening to the feedback of the moderators, and going with this perfect combination of CSS and the new styles system.

                    [–]Jess_than_three 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    While you're working on styling stuff, can we please get a universal spoiler tag system that works irrespective of subreddit CSS (at least by default), and in inboxes, etc.?

                    For example, curly brackets aren't currently used at all. What about {label text}(spoiler content), where the label and actual spoiler switch with each other on mouseover?

                    [–]Its-M4RC05 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    With the new system, will we be allowed to upload more images? I'm asking this because of the subs that use comment faces, and it's easy to hit the limit with animated ones.

                    [–]Shields42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The custom CSS is one of the things that I've always loved about Reddit. /r/Ooer wouldn't wouldn't work without its CSS. I'm glad to hear that it isn't being done away with.

                    [–]JanetYellensFuckboy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good stuff!

                    Will it be possible to "demo" getting rid of custom CSS in favor of what you're creating?

                    [–]rebbsitor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks for listening to the community feedback!

                    Since CSS will hang around, would it be possible to look into opening up the mobile website CSS for theming as well?

                    [–]wingnut5k 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    r/ooer hoisting the victory flag after their victory for freedom (2017)

                    [–]kv0thekingkiller 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You guys rock. Thank you for taking into consideration the feedback of the users.

                    [–]kaninkanon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yo could you just disallow changing the basic functionalities of reddit like blocking downvotes altogether.

                    I know you can circumvent it, but still.

                    [–]adeadhead 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Oh spez, you too good to us.

                    [–]chiefrebelangel_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I love the title.

                    Thanks for listening, and thanks for the feedback. Good luck with the new roll out - looking forward to it. Best of luck!

                    [–]notnotbuddy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We at /r/bigbrother would love to be involved. we have an extensive flair/trophy/badge system that we would love to keep going forwards

                    [–]RGPlays -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Eww.

                    Way to stay in the past just because a few "enlightened" sociopaths apparently Reddit on a desktop. Jesus, just gas the poors.

                    [–]xxfay6 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hey guys quick question, what happened to "?feature=new=theme"? I remember using that a couple of months ago but now it seems dead.

                    [–]bumcheek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Everyone who is aware of your actions and the way you do your job considers you to be a piece of shit. Must not feel that good.

                    [–]darkjungle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    /r/Ooer lives on!

                    [–]punkrawkintrev 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks for listening, /r/detroitlions depends on CSS fuckery to stay relevant, you know because we dont know how to football.

                    [–]PaperLuigi3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Spez how do you feel about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?

                    [–]AlpacaBull 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Shit, I'll give credit where it's due. Had a strong feeling that you guys weren't budging on this, glad you saw the light.

                    [–]Mysteryman64 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Digg 2.0 averted. Congrats on not shooting yourself in the foot!

                    [–]Elementium 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The skeptic in me says this is some kind of PR speak for "we will implement our system, then say "sorry guys I know we said CSS will be fixed for our new system we're working on it."

                    1 year later

                    "Yeah still working on it."

                    [–]ColonelSanders21 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Glad to hear! /r/technologyrebootedx3 will be able to keep the glorious floating head of Stamos for decades to come.

                    [–]Vortico 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks for keeping Reddit consistent! I'm against the move the mobile and believe it is a bubble, so if Reddit removed CSS to reorient for their mobile site, it would only be valid momentarily, until something new comes along.

                    [–]gridster2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Very glad to see that Reddit is listening to its users. It makes me wonder, though, why didn't they listen to us on the matter of user pages? I thought from the start that this might be a move to gain some good PR rep by "backing out" of an obviously bad change that was never intended to be implemented, just to make the Reddit community feel as though they've won a battle (for the first time in recent history).

                    [–]Gooey_Gravy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    No bamboozles?

                    [–]j4jackj 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hi Sean Spicer,

                    Why are you committing apologetics for the Trump Reddit administration's terrible choices?

                    [–]TheMiamiMutilator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Wow, it's great how the mods listen to the community! Thank you so much, much more respect for the mods!

                    [–]is_reddit_useful 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    OMG democracy exists?

                    [–]Mage_of_Shadows 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think everyone in /r/anime is happy we will most probably have their comment faces back

                    thnx bb

                    [–]Shugbug1986 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Will the widgets also work on the mobile app and site in any way? Also what about comment faces?

                    [–]316nuts 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I turn off css in 80% of the places I visit and couldn't set it up to save my life

                    I don't care. At all.

                    /r/316cats apathetic leader into the future of whatever

                    [–]weltallic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Spoiler: Launch Day, the CSS rollout is bugged, and every post on /popular is from The_Donald.

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