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[–]Chel_of_the_sea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're basically having The Worst Argument In The World with yourself here.

[–]sinxoveretothex[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not really. I'm essentially asking whether people are making the distinction that Scott is making there. The problem is that if they are, then accusing someone of being a transphobe of a racist isn't an argument, yet that is what the examples I'm talking about are using.

So, the point here is to see whether people mean something I don't understand by 'sexist' and al. or at least how they justify the uses exhibited.

Bayesian rationalism isn't the only philosophical framework out there.

[–]Chel_of_the_sea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm essentially asking whether people are making the distinction that Scott is making there.

Consciously? No, most people aren't. But they're certainly using the term in widely divergent ways.

[–]sinxoveretothex[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The more I think about it, the less I agree with your initial point.

You'll notice that I made sure to list 3 possible definitions and mentioned that my counter-example fits the strictest definition I can think of.

Also, I am not talking about most people. I am not even talking about just most "philosophy-inclined redditors", but rather gave examples of flaired redditors using that language.

If I am not steelmanning the argument, I have trouble coming up with a way to do so. Now, I already know the rationalist answer to the question. Here, I'm setting aside the assumption that it is the right answer and hear how people who espouse other frameworks tackle the question.

[–]Chel_of_the_sea [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You'll notice that I made sure to list 3 possible definitions and mentioned that my counter-example fits the strictest definition I can think of.

Right, but you never backed off to question the assumption that distinguishing between groups is necessarily a bad thing. If you're defining sexism as "anything that distinguishes between sexes", then yes, by definition, an "anti-sexist" movement would have to oppose orientation.

But where you get WAITW'd is in assuming that this is a typical example of sexism and that it therefore carries the moral weight of the other examples. You're worried about "adding epicycles", but you're making (at least in my view) an error in reasoning by asking "is this sexist" before "is this okay".