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[–]tomato-123 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Without reading any of that or thinking about it too hard, I think the question in the OP is kind of interesting. That's all.

[–]MegasusPegasus(ง'̀-'́)ง [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I guess I have a lot of experience around this area. Can suicide be selfish if you've got kids/young family? Well I would say my Aunt was selfish for doing it in my room while I was home as a child, but that's...different.

I think the thing we have to understand here is that it might be selfish in a sense, and I sympathize with the anger people can have when they are left behind. But people who commit suicide are not thinking in those terms. Maybe a lot of them believe they're loved and valued, and maybe some don't. But they are mainly thinking that life hurts enough that they can begin to resent others for keeping them here, and that regardless, their lives would be better without them.

I mean...its disheartening that so many argue that it's fine purely on the principle that it's their life and they hold no responsibility to anyone. Because that isn't true. But I can sympathize with how unfair it feels to be asked to keep living for others sake. I think children is a bit different, overall.

[–]hyper_thymic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also add to that the fact that people who commit suicide are usually dealing with heavy depression or other mental illnesses and their thinking is quite distorted. I'm reminded of the meme that made the rounds after Robin Williams died about recognizing depression as a chronic, terminal disease like cancer and celebrating that he survived being sick as long as he did. I know it's not the same, but I wonder how well it would be received to say parents shouldn't die of, say, aggressive multiple sclerosis before their children turn 18.

[–]mesonychidae [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I couldn't even begin to get into how fucked-up that subreddit is and on how poorly they approach the topic of suicide, so I won't.

I will say this about FindingAmberMae's post: Most suicidal people have extremely distorted self-perceptions and have come to believe that they are a burden on their loved ones. Suicidal parents tend to believe that their children would be better off without them around. So this type of argument won't even touch them. At "best" it will just fill them with a greater sense of shame and guilt, and funnily enough that's not a great approach to suicide prevention. The post is naive, painfully self-righteous, and dangerously misguided, but that's par for the course for that subreddit.

[–]Cephaliarch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What's your problem with our subreddit? It's not a pro-suicide, if that's what you're getting at. It's pro-choice. A significant amount of posters don't even suffer from depression. I'll very likely be killing myself before the end of this year, and it's nice to be in a community to talk about that without being inundated with the usual platitudes that have literally zero impact on me.

[–]Steelrain121 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And here i thought that i had discovered all of the dark, nasty disgusting places reddit had to offer.

For the first time ever, i legit think i am done internetting for the day

[–]MegasusPegasus(ง'̀-'́)ง [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

She's full of hate, not the post in question

Lol this is like that petty game my mom plays wherein she'll say that something I think is stupid and then I'll say it's rude to call people stupid and she'll argue she never said the exact phrase 'you are stupid.' Fuck off if you wanna not be accountable for your own statements by virtue of slight word change.

[–]kazgaThis is why Le Pen lost [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

There is a noticable difference though between "That's a stupid idea/statement" and "you're stupid". The former is rather blunt and not very nice but it's still attacking the point of discussion, not the person making it. Everyone has stupid ideas from time to time, that doesn't make the person themselves stupid.

Also:

I'll say it's rude to call people stupid

Fuck off

[–]MegasusPegasus(ง'̀-'́)ง [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Mate, I think you can grasp how in response to a person being rude/snotty you can say 'fuck off.' We're not children and reciprocity is not a hard concept.

That said, no, not really. For the purposes of responding to someone being rude or nasty, they don't get to get all defensive on a high horse like 'oh I insulted you but not in that exact phrasing so I am not accountable for it.' And also, you're speaking clearly of a singular example I used-not the conversation, in which a poster called someone hateful and then reneged to say oh that doesn't mean the post that was the very subject of my complaint was hateful. It doesn't work like that, a person can't just fuck around and try and dodge the accountability for what they say by altering a few choice words and pretending that you're misinterpreting exactly what they meant.

[–]kazgaThis is why Le Pen lost [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mate, I think you can grasp how in response to a person being rude/snotty you can say 'fuck off.' We're not children and reciprocity is not a hard concept.

Exactly. We're not children. Reciprocity is the go-to response of children. "But she started it!" hasn't been an acceptable excuse since kindergarten. Actually not even there.

That said, no, not really. For the purposes of responding to someone being rude or nasty, they don't get to get all defensive on a high horse like 'oh I insulted you but not in that exact phrasing so I am not accountable for it.'

Different phrasings carry different meanings and nuances. It very much depends on context. Calling ideas stupid can be insensitive or rude, but it's not necessarily an insult to the person. Calling the person stupid always is.

you're speaking clearly of a singular example I used-not the conversation

That's true and I never claimed otherwise.