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[promposals]Hey, entitled brats: stop inviting celebrity women to prom (thedailybeast.com)

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[–]GodelivaMarxist-Feminist[S] 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I saw this on another sub and the discussion they were having was interesting. The problem apparently is that it isn't just these suburban white boys, it's also US service people doing it too. Celebrities or not these women are still people, this is some serious psychological coercion going on.

All of the flak and name-calling they have to face when they turn down one of these kids, and then on top of it being 'un-American!' or 'Unpatriotic!' when they turn down a Marine or something.

Edit: Had cited this satirical page that makes light of service people inviting celebrities to balls. Amended it to reflect a non-satirical source.

[–]brownlion 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

While I whole heartedly agree that this is a problem and needs to be stopped, I just want to point out that the Duffel Blog is satire, akin to a version The Onion for the military.

I'm pointing this out because it took me entirely to long to realize this, and I don't want anyone else to make the same mistake.

[–]GodelivaMarxist-Feminist[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yes you're right. I picked it among a few. Thank you for catching that. Like Lolor pointed out, there are non-satyrical sources pointing toward it. Here is one.They make a point to say that it isn't only male service people doing it.

[–]Lolor-arros 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poe's Law strikes again! And while the site is satire...the events it references are real.

US service men are indeed doing this.

Actress Mila Kunis attended the 2011 Marine Corps Birthday Ball in Greenville, N.C., after Sgt. Scott Moore invited her via YouTube while he was deployed in Afghanistan. Kunis' acceptance led to other Marines trying their hand at celebrity invites.

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[–]brownlion 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are right. I'm not denying the events, which I why I began with agreeing that it is a problem.

I just wanted to make sure it was understood that the rest of the article (as well as the website!) is satire. When this article was first published, I saw way too many of my friends taking it as truth. So, as I said, I just wanted to make sure others aren't making the same mistake.

[–]rafxgsy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does race have to do with it? Your Americentric obsession with race is creepy.

[–]gildedchains 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Semi-related; when did "promposals" become a thing? I don't remember them when I was in high school? (like 15 years ago).

They've always felt really skeevy to me, because like the article says "Prom proposals are an early rite of passage during which a woman is taught that she needs to be nice to a man just because he’s made an effort."

[–]atget 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When I was in high school (almost 10 years ago) they only happened occasionally, and it was nearly always a couple who had been dating for some time and the boyfriend wanted to make senior prom "special." Sometime when I was in college, they made the crossover to virtually everyone.

Let's not forget the flipside. The girl might feel pressured to say yes, but all these guys are being pressured into going all out in the first place. It's really unfair to everyone. Some girls go with someone they don't really want to, and the shy guys don't go at all because asking someone normally would have been tough enough, and now it's supposed to be a whole production.

[–]gildedchains 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ugh, this is just awful all the way around.

Do you know how common it is now? I don't even know anyone in high school so I have no grasp on the situation at all. I've just heard about it via the media. Like are less people going to prom as couples because less guys are asking girls because of the pressure of a promposal?

And then you open up the can of worms of 'why is it the guy who should always ask'.

[–]atget 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No idea, at this point my youngest FB friend is a senior in college. It's probably not as prevalent as I think, I bet most the kids who don't get one or don't want to do the promposal nonsense pair off eventually. I certainly hope so :(

I didn't get asked to prom and ended up taking a friend from another school and had an awful time. I'm grateful these weren't really a thing in 2008, that experience sucked enough without the added rejection of everyone else getting roses spread over their car or whatever they do.

[–]Adahn5⦕FT's Malleus⦖ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Prom proposals are an early rite of passage during which a woman is taught that she needs to be nice to a man just because he’s made an effort."

Not to mention the undue peer pressure put on young women to "give it up on Prom night". I mean my God how many movies have that as even the main premise, problematique, and goal for the characters?

[–]gildedchains 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right?! I feel like this was a staple of too many 90s movies. It's so skeevy, especially when you consider that most of those movies would have been written by middle-aged men.

[–]Adahn5⦕FT's Malleus⦖ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed... How many of them were projecting their unfulfilled fantasies?

Either way, what one of the posters on this thread said is also true, it's damaging to everyone around involved as an object cause of desire. Making young men act a certain way, as they're expected to act, and making their female peers out to be the object acted upon. I mean jeez, get the hell out of our psycho-sexual development.

[–]kaswing 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

State's "Double x" (yes I see the issue with that name) podcast did a great episode about this (bonus: discussion of David Schwimmer's harassment videos)