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[–]ChalkyWhite23 773 ポイント774 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I was actually reading an article on VICE about this exact thing today. There's a community of "virtuous pedophiles" that go by VirPed online. It seems to be somewhat of a support group for people that have never offended and never WANT to offend. Maybe try some googling about it and see if that's a corner of the internet that might be able to help you.

[–]ProperLedge 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! There are also charities that you can support. Such as Circles UK. They form support groups for offenders, so they do not get isolated. From what I can imagine, people who are paedophiles tend to get isolated to various degrees because it's such a taboo thing. But to not be able to talk about it, that's horrible. Social support should be a go-to thing.

OP, thank you for sharing your story. There's not much I can say, but I do want to share this story with you if you haven't read it yet. It's a good read. From what you write it's clear to me that you really love your wife and children. Focus on your happiness so you can share it with them. All the best, sending you internet hugs.

[–]Christompa 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Imagine a future where people stop demonizing criminal behavior and start trying to understand the root causes of it. There could be support groups for all kinds of people. So rather than engaging in crime, they could be encouraged to suppress or direct those impulses in a healthier and safer way. I want to see this future.

[–]KnotaPrincess 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's worth working towards. We still have mental illness criminalized because it's easier than finding treatment for people.

I think your use of the word "demonizing" is perfect, and it highlights much of what is holding us back from that future.

[–]homo_ludens 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Germany at least also has a professional project aimed at working with pedophiles in order to prevent abuse.

https://www.dont-offend.org/

Wikipedia

[–]showmeurboobsplznthx 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Virtuous and pedophile never belong in the same sentence. Pedophiles should be made to clean up nuclear disaster zones. Stay as far away from people to avoid victimization. Fuck all the making sense of it. You see people like Dennis hastert as a very high government official who attacked gays while he raped children. If we are going to lock drug users away to clean up society, we should also with pedophilia.

[–]ChalkyWhite23 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think we should with drug addicts either, but that's a different conversation.

This specific individual hasn't, to our knowledge, offended. He seems to genuinely want to control himself and doesn't want to hurt anybody. Instead of isolating him, which causes a higher probability that he might offend, helping him not offend can result in 0 lives ruined instead of the victim, his, his kids and his wife.

Why's that so bad?

[–]showmeurboobsplznthx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why lock up people with psychotic issues? They wanna control it, but most likely will end up having an episode and hurting people. If not jail, then a psychiatry Ward.

[–]ChalkyWhite23 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not true whatsoever.

The ones that cannot control themselves should be removed from society. The majority of people with mental illness can manage their diseases. I work on a daily basis with people that have schizophrenia and other diagnoses, and they're gentle people who are more likely to be victimized themselves than hurt others.

[–]STW19283 253 ポイント254 ポイント  (136子コメント)

I know this is an unanswerable question, but do you have any guess as to how you developed this orientation? I dated a guy who admitted to being attracted to pre-pubescent girls. He had an early sexual experience with a childhood friend (not abusive in nature) and he thinks his sexuality got sort of "stuck" on her. He also had a bad relationship with his mother and thinks she turned him off to adult women. Of course, tons of non-pedophilic people have these exact experiences so there must be more to it, but it's interesting to speculate. Any idea for yourself?

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (11子コメント)

The bit about the mother may have some truth to it. I too used to fight with my mom, and she's exactly the kind of woman (physically) which I dislike the most. Very adult. Along with high heels, one thing that absolutely makes me vomit sexually is garter belts which I remember seeing my mom putting on when I was very young.

But you know, it's not just about sex. I just don't like adult things in general, and never liked, ever since I was a child myself. Always tried to avoid anything that's heavy, serious, macho, pompous, or violent. In books and music, for example, I have always preferred things that are light (but not stupid), playful, absurdist, deeply naive (Douglas Adams is one example... but perhaps Lewis Carrol is an even better example, and I really think he was a kindred soul to mine).

[–]batnastard 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't know if you read Terry Pratchett, but there's that same kind of smart innocence there, and about 40 books to read if you haven't yet!

[–]Surlix 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Plus one for Pratchett... Sadly, there can't be any new books

[–]jherazob 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sadly, there can't be any new books

Considering Dune, hopefully you're right

[–]Surlix 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just mean because he's dead

[–]jherazob 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too, speaking about the takeover of the series by Frank Herbert's son and Kevin J. Anderson after his death, i hope the same thing doesn't happen to Pratchett's stuff

[–]miss_moriarty 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A weird off-Topic question: If you are not intrested in "adult" things, do you enjoy alcohol and drugs? Coffee? It just came to my mind and I was just curious.

Plus thanks for sharing. Have you ever thought about introducing a "DDlg" dynamic into the bedroom? Go google it or look at /r/BDSMcommunity - all this works completely without what you call violence, so this might be a chance for you and your wife. For you to maybe get closer to a Feeling that you want without her knowing that you are pedophile. If you have any questions, feel free to DM me.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't drink nor do drugs, never did. Coffee in moderation.

[–]ILikeMultis 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you safely remove your removable disk from the computer?

[–]devondalee 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (78子コメント)

research has been done and you've asked it yourself, "developed this orientation". we can debate nature vs. nurture for homosexuals, asexuals, transsexuals... pedophilia is a sexual orientation. you can't pray the gay away and you can't change this. (http://www.jamescantor.org) what's recommended is living a life where you won't put any children in danger, having a safe outlet (animated porn, sex with a childlike adult) and also speaking to a sex therapist about frustration / anxiety. Forward thinking European countries advertise support groups. Repressed sexual frustration is not healthy. People who are gay or trans, they can talk about it. Pedophiles cannot talk to anyone without the fear of being put on the sex offender list. And for what? Their thoughts. No one gets arrested for thinking about stealing.

[–]iamtoastshayna69 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Consequently, since I've had so many pedophiles in my life (7 off the top of my head, 3 related to me, 3 were exs and one was a best friend, I also know someone in prison for having child porn) I can understand the thinking much better than most. I am not attracted to it. (My kink is furries) But I understand it. I actually get very upset when I see those posts about that guy that looked up the registry to kill pedophiles and people who think they should be put to death. (One ex that was one committed suicide and it was very tragic, my mother is one as well and I couldn't imagine my life without her. She has the mentality of the age she likes to the point that I don't think she really grasps why it is wrong. She like 15-17 year olds, one guy who could have been my father was 13 she was 18. I don't think she understands why an 18 year old shouldn't have sex with a 13 year old and she is almost 50 now, though she has for the most part stayed out of trouble since she got out of prison.) If OP wants someone to talk to about it, he can talk to me. I may not agree with it but I am a safe person to talk to. (It helps that I have a child like appearance. I am almost 27 but you'd be hard up on people who actually guess around my age, most people think I am around 14-15)

[–]Safety_Dancer 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Devil's advocate in regards to killing themselves. This is not like gays or lesbians or even interracial couples that can meet in secret and some daybe accepted. These are people who are never going to get better and society had better not shift to make pedophilia acceptable. It's like an inoperable cancer of the mind. I'm a high libido guy that hasn't had any contact with women since November and it's killing me. I don't want to imagine what life would be like without at least having dating prospects and porn to use as a vent. All I know is it would be Hell, and I'm a straight male.

[–]ReturningTarzan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

These are people who are never going to get better and society had better not shift to make pedophilia acceptable.

Why not, though? Pedophilia isn't the problem, child abuse is. Lots of sexually normal people struggle to get laid yet don't let their frustration turn them into rapists, and pedophiles can learn to cope as well, as OP demonstrates. Arguably, they would have an easier time with that (and therefore be less of a risk to children) if pedophilia weren't as stigmatizing as it is.

Keep in mind you don't just have dating prospects and porn to use as a vent. You can also talk about your frustration without fear of losing friends and family. And you can discuss it online and not find your inbox suddenly full of death threats. Imagine losing not just the hope of having sex in the future, not just the release you get from porn, but any kind of emotional support as well. You would be completely alone, afraid to even let anyone see how miserable you are for fear that they might ask you what's wrong. That's how you turn people into monsters.

[–]-Xarathorn- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he's saying that it had better not be accepted to act upon it.

[–]iamtoastshayna69 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

In another Devil's advocate. Could it be possible to be a cross between a pedophile and an asexual? I am both bi and asexual. I am attracted to both men and women but I don't want to touch anyone or have anyone touch me. I don't look at porn. I have a boyfriend but we don't have sex and we are both comfortable with it. Last time we had sex was November and it doesn't bother me one bit. So is it possible to be attracted to children but have absolutely zero interest in touching them nor having them touch you? I know it is hard for a lot of people to understand pedophilia and asexuality. I kinda get pedophilia from having to deal with so many sex offenders (Not that I agree with it, personally I can't stand kids and lie strongly in the childfree category) But I completely get asexuality. Boobs, and other parts are nice to look at, like a good artwork. But I am as likely to fuck another person as I am to fuck the mona lisa and it makes just as much sense to me.

[–]My3centsItsWorthMore 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I remember as a kid i used to look up underaged girls, looking for people my own age. The illegality of the industry didn't even cross my mind. I'm glad we didn't have the same level of surveillance we have today.

[–]stink3rbelle 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (24子コメント)

He had an early sexual experience with a childhood friend (not abusive in nature) and he thinks his sexuality got sort of "stuck" on her.

This is unlikely. I have a few friends who had early childhood sexual experiences, but they are definitely attracted to adults now. It seems most likely that some people are just wired differently.

[–]casce 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"I know some people who smoked and never got cancer, therefore cigarettes can't cause cancer."

I mean, I don't want to say that this really was the cause, I obviously have no idea and nobody can know it for sure. But saying that this can't possibly be a cause is wrong. It could be.

[–]STW19283 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Oh yeah, I wasn't suggesting that alone could cause pedophilia. But I don't think it's inconceivable that it, along with other things, could contribute to it.

[–]feeniksina 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's how the narrator in Lolita explains his pedophilia - his first love and first sexual experience as a boy was with a young girl (his own age), and he was never able to replicate or improve upon that experience.

Not trying to claim the book is any neurological dictionary, just agreeing with your point. I'm sure there's no One Real Reason, but a variety of contributing factors.

P.S. fucking love that book.

[–]iamtoastshayna69 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My first love was a furry. Can you guess what my secret kink is now, almost half my life later?

[–]NoUrImmature 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm gonna guess scat.

[–]zepelino 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm gonna guess cuckold

[–]iamtoastshayna69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHA, considering my inbox blew up with comments about pedophilia, this one made me laugh. No, I am a secret furry, just don't have the money for a costume and I am shit at drawing anymore. But my ideal sexual experience would be a nice big furpile.

[–]toodletwo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe it. I had a friend who said that the reason for his pedophilia was a similar encounter when he was younger that he could never get out of his head.

[–]stink3rbelle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's much more likely to be an orientation, like same sex attraction, that is not caused by anything environmental.

[–]STW19283 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't know sexual orientation isn't caused by anything environmental, at least partially.

[–]notoneofyourfans 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Actually ( I used to work closely with juvenile pedophiles) the first sex thing was second only to prior sexual abuse for creating pedophiles. It has been speculated that the reason R. KELLY (r and b singer) is an ephebophile is due to trying to relive his first experiences and being "caught" at that stage of sexual attraction.

[–]stink3rbelle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

But did you have any pedophiles who, like OP, never offended? Because saying "this is what offenders look like" is different from saying "this is what pedophiles look like."

[–]notoneofyourfans 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I get your point and it is an excellent one. No, we had very few pedophiles that never offended. We had quite a few that knew it was wrong and gave in anyway. And we had a few that were, for all intents and purposes, just caught "being themselves" (I am purposely ignoring the willful predators). We have to remember that it is still very much against the law for homosexuals to just BE homosexual in some places. And so, yes, we had a few who had made the mistake of letting someone know what their desires were and they were then sent off to be "fixed". Of those very few I met there...I still have to say that none of them professed to just wake sexually one day and say: I would rather be sexual with children than adults. Most of the time it is either prior sexual abuse or a really pleasant sexual experience at an early age with a same age peer and the mind rewires to say: "we would like more of that please". In OP's case it appears to NOT have just been having a sexual experience in and of itself, but having the only true nurturing, caring feelings he received coming from non-adults. This rewiring IS biological in nature and almost unavoidable - so we can't blame OP for ending up where he is. But it doesn't bear out the way homosexuality seems to, wherein some homosexuals state knowing that before they even realize what a crush is, that they have crushes on same sex individuals. That may be true also of a whole group of pedophiles. It just may be that the grand majority of them are born attracted to children from the very start. But right now we have to follow what we can empirically determine. And as long as pedophiles (people who even just have the thought) are distinguished as first class scum and dangerous we may not know for a very long time. We even have the kids worrying about it. I still work with youth to a lesser degree. I had a kid come to me very worried that he was a pedophile. I asked him why. He admitted to me that he had Googled "naked 11year old girls". I burst out laughing. "Dude, you are 13! You are supposed to be attracted to young girls." I then asked him why he had tried to find 11 year old girls rather than 13 year old ones. He told me that 13 year old girls were still taller than him and were intimidating. I told him: "Don't worry about it unless you are 15 and still wanting to see naked 11 year olds." And then I advised him to never do that again because it was illegal (almost always) and he could end up on someone's list somewhere - especially if he was using his phone.

EDIT: edited to fix deleted words that screwed with flow.

[–]Trucidar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is unlikely, but not impossible. Most things are a combination of nurture and nature.

[–]SandraBabe 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get help. Go see a therapist or a psychologist. We're not here to normalize pedophilia. There are too many higher ups in the world that are pedophiles that would love for pedophilia to become normalized. Get help.

[–]bloody_fervour 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm actually making a movie about this. I first came across an AMA a couple of years back about a teenager who was a pedophile and that inspired the idea. I've since spoken to dozens of pedophiles and heard their stories. It's been a fascinating ride.

Check out our website: https://unnaturalfilm.com/

[–]Rubop 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel this is a super controversial subject to make a movie about. Best of luck with it! It definitely needs to be told.

[–]hiitsmadelyn 143 ポイント144 ポイント  (30子コメント)

I really admire how you acknowledge that you have this proclivity yet you are not willing to indulge it in any way. I applaud you for that, and for fully realizing the damage that pedophiles that act upon their urges do to children. That's really awesome you keep things in perspective. Your sexual tastes are fascinating - it's as if you're still a child yourself as you dislike and aren't attracted to anything too mature in taste. It's really interesting. Good luck to you!

[–]Blujayz90 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You literally just said you find his taste in child rape (its rape everytime because a child cannot consent) and illegal abuse acts against children to be fascinating. What in the fuck is wrong with you.

This is absolutely sick. Raping a child is in no way a normal thing. It's not a fetish. It is an illegal act and one of the worst ones.

[–]sadie_lane 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think it's great how well you are handling it. Have you considered adding an element of BDSM into your marriage? Age play may help you enjoy your fantasy in a legal, consensual safe way. It may help with temptation of your children's friends

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (15子コメント)

My wife already "helps" me with my temptations, our sex life is pretty great. Even though my sex drive is above average she "eats" most of it, and we really enjoy each other.

But BDSM? No. It's exactly what I hate: violence. A huge turn-off.

[–]sadie_lane 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not all violence. Age play isn't usually about violence. It's like role playing

[–]Lilnottypearl 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (12子コメント)

BDSM is not all about violence; it heavily depends on what you and your partner is interested in. I'm active in DD/lg (a branch in the BDSM tree), which seems like it would fit your tastes quite a bit.

Maybe do a little more research on BDSM before deciding you don't like it.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I admit I didn't do much research on it.... but then, what I know is that every letter in the BDSM abbreviation stands for something I genuinely abhor. It was hard to imagine there was something else in there. But anyway, thanks, I'll look into it, I honestly didn't know this dd/lg thing existed.

[–]justcurious12345 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

BDSM does literally stand for things you seem to abhor, but there are lots of kinks that are present in the BDSM community besides literal bondage etc.

[–]Jarix 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Does this suggest the term bdsm is outdated as a category or type of kink?

[–]Novarix 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I definitely think BDSM has come to encompass a faaaaar broader range of kinks/fetishes/marginalized sexual preferences than the acronym originally intended to. I'm not sure what you'd use instead though :)

[–]Jarix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for underatanding what I meant. Sometimes im not good with words. Dallyan used the phrase power and power differentials so maybe pp&d if that is appropriate.

[–]Lilnottypearl 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought the same before I really looked into it, though I do like some of the other stuff within BDSM. However, dd/lg is a much... softer side of BDSM; I really only discovered it about two years ago and maybe go to /r/littlespace if it hasn't been pointed out already.

[–]MedicatedDeveloper 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd go on a throwaway but fuckit I don't care.

I honestly didn't know this dd/lg thing existed.

Neither did I until about 2 years ago. I <3 my little. It was so cute how she kept bringing it up. I still remember the very first time she called me Daddy. That was pretty magical. I enjoy the demeanor of my little and holding/caring for her the most. It's not an age thing for me personally so YMMV.

Just because it falls under the umbrella of BDSM doesn't mean it involves violence. There is a dominance/power aspect that I do admittedly enjoy quite a bit when it comes to sex/teasing, but we have an understanding that regardless of the dynamic in the bedroom we both have agency in the relationship.

[–]mykineticromance 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

definitely look into the DD/lg or at least the lg aspect (because you don't like incest) of BDSM. it's not only whips and handcuffs.

[–]legakhsirE 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The pedophile who manages to get through life with the shame of his desire, while never acting on it, deserves a bloody medal." - Nymphomaniac

I was sexually abused as a child by my stepfather and for years held nothing but contempt for pedophiles until I watched Nymphomaniac. I've grown a lot, changed a lot, and met many people of different backgrounds who I've had intimate relationships with that have allowed me to gain a different perspective on sexuality in general. Not intimate in a sexual or even romantic way, I mean that we grew close enough to divulge secret desires to one another. What I've learned is that sexuality isn't black and white, it's complicated and not easily defined. People are either born with their respective kinks or acquire them, usually triggered in their formative years. It isn't anyone's place to cast judgment on others for their fetishes so long as they are not hurting anything or anyone or breaking any laws. We can't help what our brains find sexually stimulating.

[–]sumiso_soup 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You might find some BDSM communities to be interesting! BDSM isn't entirely about pain or violence, there are lots of people who enjoy something called age play without ever engaging in bondage or physical discipline.

[–]dirtsunshine 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Which in many places is considered kiddie porn. Canada, UK, AU, etc. Google the laws before you incriminate yourself.

I do computer forensics consulting, and once dealt with a case where the defendant had hentai depicting what any reasonable person would describe as being a child, and audio (just audio) of consenting men/women engaging in DD/lg play without mention of the lg's age. Guy's still serving time.

[–]Cardplay3r 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I guess this is that freedom they keep bragging about - get locked up for a cartoon someone deems inmoral though nobody was harmed

[–]2throwaway7 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not in the community or anything like that, but if it's not about bondage, discipline, sadism, or masochism, isn't it really just "kink"?

[–]MajaLamb 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The D and s also stand for dominant and submissive. Ageplay often fit there.

[–]tolkienlover 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

BDSM is an overarching term that can be (from how I use it, others may disagree) applied to basically any non-typical sexual desire or deviancy. I usually use the word "kink" similar to "fetish", in relation to a particular act. Like I would advertise myself as someone interested in BDSM but my kinks include bondage, voyeurism, etc..

Really, these words are just words and you can use them basically however you want and as long as you use the right context your meaning will be understood.

Also no one in the BDSM/kinky community would tell you that you're not into BDSM because what you practice isn't "canon". The whole point of BDSM is that there is no canon, and as long as it's consensual you should do whatever the hell you want with your partner.

[–]InternetUser4796 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please tell me we're not trying to normalize pedophilia

[–]storyTelLearn 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

i have to ask, because i want to understand the mentality. i am studying psychiatry so it would be interesting for me to learn. would you act on it if it was legal by trying to pursue a little girl? would you act on it if 1) it was legal AND 2) a little girl pursued you and not the other way around? obviously it would be unusual for a little kid to pursue an adult when they likely are too young to even know anything about sex, but just as a hypothetical..

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you study psychiatry, why would you consider 2) which is impossible for humans as they currently are? It's only possible in an imaginary world or in a world where human nature has fundamentally changed in many ways, and where your psychiatry is therefore not applicable.

[–]Minkirra 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will say this. I think a lot more people are like this than would admit it. That being said, it was a little hard for me to read what you put down because of it's subject matter and my personal history. But, It sounds like you were being honest. I can respect that and the fact that it seems like you don't want to hurt anyone. I'd be interested in where these desires originated as well. We all have our sexual likes/dislikes, some more accepted than others and some just illegal with good reason. I guess I just wanted to say that I tried really hard to dislike you and this post because of it's subject matter, but after reading it, I don't dislike you. I think there are lots more like you than you realize and I wish they would be as open about it as you are.

[–]ripewithegotism 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for speaking man. Sexuality is something we have no control over. For some reason we can, as a society, accept that individuals have no control over homosexuality but if you suffer from pedophilia it is seen as something that you choose so you can be demonized. It is extremely unfair and just goes to show our lack of understanding towards what humans really are.

[–]Blujayz90 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not demonized because of an illusion of choice. It's demonized because it's against the law and a violent act upon children. Children can't consent and in no way is pedophilia a good thing.

That being said, I do realize this individual has no choice on how he feels. So perhaps some counselling or help would be the right thing to help him keep everything under control.

[–]Puppywanton 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (11子コメント)

To add one more twist, we have our own children, two of the three are girls. I can't say I was ever sexually attracted to them in any real way - they are good girls and they love me, but they just look too much like me. (Another thing I don't understand in hentai is its infatuation with incest.) In fact, with the older one I was probably too prudish, too afraid of any physical contact, which may have hurt her. With the younger one, I'm trying to be more relaxed, and don't run away when she wants to hug or climb on me or kiss me on the cheek. Hey, I'm OK, right? I'm not going to hurt her.
 

I can't imagine the kind of self control you have to exert having a paraphilia like this, and it was brave of you to post this.

That said, you shouldn't have had a kid, let alone three. This has nothing to do with whether you're genetically flawed or whether you'll commit incest. The fact is that when you have children, you put yourself in a vulnerable position every time you take your kids to school, play dates and so on.

It seems like you're always conscious about crossing the line with your kid and withholding affection for that reason, which is no good for your kid either.

I really don't care about getting downvoted to oblivion, but I wanted this out there in case there are other non-offending paedophiles contemplating having children.

[–]girlnamedchristian 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with you. I don't understand why a pedophile would want to have children, especially three, in the first place. He doesn't intend to do anything to them, yet he distances himself from them so he can make sure his urges don't take over? What if the girls ended up looking nothing like him? Would the "ew incest!" thought go away and he'd just see them as two hot kids? Most of the child sexual abuse stories I've heard are by a relative of the victim's.

I don't care if the dude's a pedophile. Props to him for controlling himself. But the having children part really rubs me the wrong way. I'd think that would be the time where you mention to your wife that you're into kids.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Like I said, I was never sexually attracted to my own kids, so there's not much self-control involved in this. Even if I were more attracted, I doubt that would have made my life or my kids' life more difficult. It's not so hard not to fuck children, you know? Real children and imaginary lolis are very different creations, it just doesn't "click". Again, what I blame myself for is that with the oldest one, I was too afraid of myself, too aloof, too cold to her undeservedly. Now I know myself better.

[–]Puppywanton 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know incest is separate from paedophilia. I am not suggesting that you have urges towards your own children. But their friends and school mates and so on?

It's like restricting your diet, but then going to a buffet every meal. Even if you do nothing, it must psychologically take a toll on you.

Anyway what's done cannot be undone, and like I said, I just wanted to say my piece in case there are other non-offending paedophiles wrestling with the decision to have children reading this thread.

I wish you well and hope you find peace.

[–]stink3rbelle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

self-control involved in this.

The commenter you're replying to pointed out that raising children means being around a lot more kids than just your own. What about your daughters' friends? How would you be able to handle one of their friends starting to really like you and getting friendlier than other children? How do you deal with sleepovers and play dates and chaperoning and driving other peoples' kids places?

[–]HoodwinkingGnome 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but that was an incredible risk to take. And you may not be aware that some of your behaviour might be interpreted in a paedophilic way. I think it was selfish and irresponsible to have kids.

[–]genocidel 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (1子コメント)

you're cool man. we all have our flaws blah blah blah, but you keep your fetish under control and there's nothing else to say but good job and good luck in life :)

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! I really appreciate this.

[–]shealeigh 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (16子コメント)

What I'd like you to understand is that sexual acts against children are all acts of violence. Children cannot consent. Source: I'm a survivor of childhood abuse, therapy, psychological research. When you say you don't understand or condone the aspect of rape or violence in lolicon, even the most "gentle" drawings or thoughts would still be acts of violence. It is still rape. It will always be rape. It doesn't matter if you don't think of it as rape in your head. It is still rape. I am glad you have a willing, adult partner who caters to some of your age play fantasies. It was very difficult for me to read your post but I wish you the best with your partner. edit: a word

[–]KevlarSweetheart 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This.

Why should he get a pat on the back for doing what he SHOULD do as an adult? It is the adults responsibilty to realize a child doesnt have consent even if they are willing.

[–]Levi-Avatar 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (11子コメント)

He should get a pat on the back because what he should do, what comes easily to the rest of us, is so much harder for him.

I have a severely autistic cousin. When he was 13 he managed to spell his name correctly for the first time. We literally made him a cake to celebrate something that many of us doubted would happen.

This gentleman is operating with a huge disadvantage, a severe handicap that most of us don't have. We have no sexual attraction to children so it's easy for us to not abuse them. He is literally suppressing a major part of who he is every single day for the sake of not hurting anyone.

So yeah, goddamn right he deserves a pat on the back.

[–]ItsYaBoyChipsAhoy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why does a shizophrenic get s pat on the back for not listening to the voices?

[–]Broke-back-fountain 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He realizes that it is which is why he says he would never fulfill his fantasies. I don't agree with it and I find it repulsive but it seems like it could be similar to telling a gay person not to be gay. They cant help it its just in their programming only in this case there is no way for him to act on his sexuality because of how damaging it is to the subject.

[–]devoc7 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A terrifying thing to share with the world, but I appreciate your story

[–]Aeponix 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude, people have plenty of fantasies that would be illegal if played out to the letter. Rape, torture... Even sodomy in some places is technically illegal.

As long as you are with an adult that consents, playing with fantasies is pretty normal. Having fantasies that are illegal to play out is also very normal.

Pedophilia is demonized in Western society. But being a pedophile doesn't make you evil. Hurting a child does.

Now, age of consent is a divisive issue. It changes from place to place, and has different qualifiers. The law is based loosely around when teens become sexually active, and when we think they might be ready to make decisions about having sex like an adult. So, while the law is not based on hard and fast understanding of development, it does have merit when it comes to prepubescent children. These children are definitely not ready for sex, as their body is not even prepared for it.

So, if you ever were to try to act out your fantasy a little closer to the source, preferably follow your local laws, but be aware that if you go somewhere with a low age of consent to get your rocks off, there is a line. There is such a thing as too young.

Focus on lolicon, focus on not hating yourself for feelings you didn't choose, and focus on doing the best you can with your wife and children. They all love you, and you won't hurt them if you're aware.

Just because I have rape fantasies doesn't mean I stay away from women, and I even get to play out fake versions with people I trust. Nothing wrong with a fantasy.

[–]storyTelLearn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hm the last part I'm not sure if that is comparable. You say its okay to have rape fantasies. Thats true, but would you actually feel pleasure and enjoyment from physically raping someone? Sure maybe you would have bodily arousal during the rape but if you a healthy and empathetic human being, you would be absolutely revolted by the actual act of rape. He is a pedophile so by definition he could perform physical sexual acts on a child and enjoy it. Would he be revolted emotionally the same way people would be revolted by actually raping someone? Idk, I guess it could be different for every pedophile. Some may have empathy and some may not...

[–]g_squidman 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Here's my question. How many people PMed you asking for or offering hookups of some kind? It's my understanding that this is sort of how pedophiles work underground. If you want to talk about the true nature of it, I think that's important to know about.

Also, the shame is real. I'm not a pedophile. I'm actually asexual. But due to stupid circumstances, I've been accused of being a pedophile before. It can really hurt.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hookups? Haha. So far I got one PM telling me to kill myself. Kinda expected really.

I don't "work underground" nor do I have any intention to.

[–]iamtoastshayna69 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My mom is a sex offender. I can't count the number of times she's been told to kill herself. The name she hates the most is "Cho-mo"

[–]g_squidman 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've just seen a lot of people who pose as remorseful pedophiles that are actually trying to get other pedophiles to trade stuff with. So I'm always skeptical now. You sound pretty legit though.

Sucks you got that PM though. Thanks for being honest

[–]Zarxrax 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You don't intend to break any laws or harm anyone due to your sexual desires. Hey, you're doing better than the US president.

[–]imNotloc 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Buddy you are fucked

[–]AlexJonesIsMyDad 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You people realize this guy is talking about fantasizing about fucking children right? What the fuck is wrong with you people!!!??? It's not okay, ever. For no reason! UGHHH

[–]KarmicEnigma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've fantasized about beating my boss with a baseball bat. Am I not okay? I assumed all was well as long as I don't actually beat my boss with a baseball bat.

[–]derekx2012 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (7子コメント)

People don't realize that pedophilia is just a paraphilia (aka a fetish) just like having a foot fetish or being into BDSM. It's scientifically no different.

Here's a list of paraphilias from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias. Have a look through them. I can guarantee you'll find one (or a dozen) of 'em that you have.

I doubt people who have foot fetishes automatically lick every bare foot they see. And being a pedophile is no different. This isn't about impulse control or being sick in the head or anything like that. It's an attraction, and you can't control who you're attracted to. However, you can actively decided not to perform any illegal activity.

So, yes, despite all the naysayers in this thread, I applaud your bravery to admit this everyone. It takes real courage to be yourself, especially when you know some people will object to it. Just know that their objections come from a place of ignorance. Hopefully, your admission and the subsequent show of support from myself and others will inspire them to educate themselves on how sexual attraction works, so that we can all become more educated as a people. Maybe then others can be honest and upfront as well, and get the help they deserve.

[–]ATinySnek 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone finally said exactly what I was thinking.

[–]Blujayz90 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Licking feet or bdsm isn't against the law and not an act on children, you moron.

This entire paragraph is sick and in no way should child abuse just be treated like a fetish. Disgusting. This man may have no choice but he has to realize it's not just another fetish. Child abuse is one of the worst acts someone can commit.

[–]RexErection 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're a fucking waste to society.

[–]i_love_new_socks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm always curious what pedophiles do for a living. Most studies show that they tend to pick jobs or activities where they are surrounded by children, like scout leaders, school teachers and priests. I understand your need for anonymity, but im curious if you work in a field surrounded by children regularly?

I'm also curious about the nature of your personal decision to have children. Was there an element of sexual excitement when you decided to have children with your wife? Just curious since your say your attraction is largely based in the imaginative world if before becoming a parent your fantasy's were a bit more askew than they are now and after having children of your own you had some realizations.

Speaking of which, knowing how you feel about children, and your attraction. Are you concerned another pedophile might one day target your children? If so, does that thought have any bearing on your sexual impulses?

Finally, how do you reconcile the obvious maturity difference with your sexuality? I assume because you described yourself as a bit on the immature side that, that plays a factor. But it doesn't really explain your marriage unless she is a bit immature herself. I think this question is most intriguing as I can only see this as a ocean between the mental maturity of an adult and the proclivities of a child.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I don't work with children, and never intended to. Even though my kids tell me I would have been a good teacher. But no. Real children are just too crazy and ADHD, on average, for me to enjoy teaching them. My own ones are relatively nice and intelligent (sorry for boasting but I'm just describing how I see this).

We had children because we wanted to have children - it's just the basic desire to continue ourselves. I admit there was a tinge of sexual curiosity deep inside myself back when we started, but the reality turned out different, as always. For example, I found myself spending more time with my son than with any of the daughters simply because his interests align closer to mine. Again, real children and imaginary lolis are very different creations.

I'm aware that my children can be targeted and I would react just like any other parent. Did you expect any other answer? If some guy is stupid enough to not keep his fantasies to himself (as I do), he should bear the consequences.

I don't consider myself "immature" in any meaningful way. I have achieved things in life. I'm reasonably adapted to functioning in this world, and I'm needed and depended upon by other people. If I dislike some things that are liked by most others, that's a healthy disagreement, and the future will make its choice. If anything, I consider parts of the modern world "overmature" in a bad way.

[–]Community_Hottub 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not certain, but I think the studies show that sex offenders pick jobs that expose them to children, rather than pedophiles in general.

[–]mashnik 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have almost no studies based on non-offending pedophiles because here in the US there's really no outlet for them. So yeah, all of our information is skewed towards the type of people who do offend, rather than those who exercise self control.

[–]i_love_new_socks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You may be right. I think I was just generalizing my thoughts.

[–]XTURNPIKEMICKX 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like you've got it figured out buddy. Forget these people that think they know you because someone else did something to them. Just know it's going to be a hard rest of your life but ya know what? It's your life man. You already know you're doing the best you can (and you are). Be self righteous, for you can be honest.

Good luck

[–]dickgraysonn 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of my friends are women who look youthful all the time with androgynous body types. They dread men like you. Not specifically because of the fetish, but because they're obviously using them as a proxy for this kind of fetish. They believe, and I agree, that there's a lack of consent there.

If you live with and raise your daughters, you're a piece of shit. Actually, you're a piece of shit for not telling their mother you're a pedophile. Her consensually participating in ageplay doesn't make her consent to what you're using her for without real communication. Which you say you are never willing to do. I thought based on the beginning of your post you were trying to make the best of your paraphilia and move on, which I would respect. I don't respect you having kids, continuing to be a pedophile without (at least you didn't mention) intensive psychological treatment, and coming to reddit waiting to be told how brave you are.

Get help, tell their mom, then raise your kids while being monitored for their safety. You should care more about their safety then your precious secret.

[–]phrenolo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This x 1,000. I feel like you are the only person that "gets" why this situation is a problem.

[–]Nyanu 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you considered that you may just be attracted to smaller women? I don't think looking at loli necessarily makes you a pedophile if that's the extent of it. Have you considered spicing things up in the bedroom? Buy your wife some lolita style clothes, wigs, makeup, etc and go to town.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Small women are definitely more attractive to me, and my wife is delightfully small. And yes, we do have our favorite (or at least my favorite, but she's OK with wearing it) dresses and stuff - not exactly children's but more like folkish style. The problem with the sex-shop stuff (wigs etc) is that it's always so garish, cheap-made and unnatural. It's a difficult quest to find the best outfits for my wife, we've been at it for years and years. The world just doesn't care about our needs, it seems. Many pretty simple things are just not out there anymore, or they were available just five years ago but now disappeared.

[–]Nyanu 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just have to know where to look! I would recommend online shops and things like that which are more geared towards cosplay or lolita fashion. Random Shop I found from googling. Good quality stuff can get kinda expensive but It's probably a good investment if it will fill that kink a little bit. You can also find things on Amazon or Ebay if you know what to look for.

[–]Redwood831 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (26子コメント)

have you gone to therapy?

[–]DirtyThrowBelow 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Dan Savage has talked about this. Talking to a therapist can be risky, because if they believe you are a threat to another person they are legally obligated to report you. And even if you haven't committed any offense you can face serious repercussions. It's a catch 22 where those who need the help are unable to seek it out without serious personal risk.

[–]bannana 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there isn't much therapy available for pedophillia.

[–]Joebranflakes 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What has never made sense to me about societies reaction to pedophilia is how it's association with child rape is equivocal. If you are a pedophile you want to rape kids. The evidence does not show that to be true.

The other thing, and in fact the far worse thing is the reaction of most to someone who is a pedophile and is seeking help or support. The common reaction: lock them up forever!, cut off their genitals!, burn them alive etc. So now the person seeking help, cannot get it. Nor is help offered as it would be seen as "helping a pedophile". But don't we as a society want to make it as easy as possible for pedophiles to get help? The alternative is waiting until if and when they victimize a child. And how the heck is that a good thing? Worse still, by preventing help from being given, you are opening the door to more children being abused. What the old saying? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?

[–]oncemoreforluck 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just in regards to your first paragraph. Any sexual contact with a child is molestation or rape.

Children can never consent to sex that's why it's equated with rape because it's a sexual desire that can only be fulfilled by abusing a child.

Not acting on it is good and fine, but your desire is in and of its self to rape a child if you want to have sexual contact with them ( because children can't consent to any sexual contact)

That's why people equate peadophile with child rapest

[–]Joebranflakes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that was my point here. To make it a bit more finely: "Not all pedophiles want to touch/molest/have sex with kids because it's rape and it's never ok"

[–]NoJibrilNoLife 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can feel where you're coming from. I can only imagine the courage it took to type this all out but I reckon you wanted to get it off your chest. I too like girls with smaller frames, not children, no exception to that. I'm happy for you op that you found a lover who you care for deeply and have kids to bat. I indulge in hentai sometimes(more often than I would like to admit) and its ok op. Good luck with any other struggles you may have in life.

[–]LaTormenta 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I keep reading that you abhor violence of any kind and you are very emphatic about it. The problem I'm seeing is that any sexual act involving a small child borders on the dictionary definition of violence. Just because the physical force may not be resisted and it is not intended to hurt the child, you KNOW that it will do extensive emotional damage in the future. Knowing that this damage will be done almost gives it a transitive property. Your intended actions are causing major harm. This violence of a different kind. So much for your supposed hatred of violence.

[–]throw_throw_awayaway[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I fully realize that, and that's the reason why I will never act on my desires. What I fantasize about, however, is a world where my sexual acts do not cause any harm, now or ever. See? It's my own imagined world, I can set it up any way I want. These are not "intended" actions as you say, they are imagined actions. Big difference. Imagination does not need to abide by the laws of nature.

[–]HoodwinkingGnome 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There may come a time though when you do get the compulsion to act out your predilections. In fact, I'm sure many "active" paedophiles thought they wouldn't act or their fantasies either.

[–]Glacius91 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Same with men who rape women? Being attracted to, doesn't mean you will act on it.

[–]HoodwinkingGnome 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But he IS acting on it by pretending his wife is a child during sex i.e. fantasising about raping a child while using his wife's body without her knowledge or consent.

[–]Misundaztood 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is not fantaising about raping a child any more than the children in his mind are getting emotional scars. Since its fantasy he can actually take away the negative impact.

As far as without his wife's knowledge and consent, he should probably tell her, but I could see why he would be hesitant to do so. I know Ive told my ex some things she made me regrett telling her. He still should tho if hes using her to ach his fantasies out.

However acting fantasies out on a consenting partner and acting them out on an unwilling victim are completely diffrent things. Do you think everyone involved in rape roleplay are going to rape someone or seek out getting actually raped?

[–]Levi-Avatar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love fantasizing about killing people, having sex with their corpses and them coming back to life after I'm done or even still being "alive" after decomposing. And I will never do any of that in real life.

You're absolutely right, fantasy and reality are separate things.

By the way, thank you for your dedication to never hurting children. I wish every pedophile was like you.

[–]keylimesoda 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Concerns about being sexuality attracted to one's daughters is not unique, even if yours comes on at a different stage of development.

Its also not uncommon for fathers to withdraw due to this concern, but it's usually a mistake. Your daughters need fatherly attention. Hopefully you can continue to manage your fantasies in a way that leaves place for the natural affection your daughters need.

[–]stink3rbelle 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (18子コメント)

It sounds like you're mostly a gold star pedophile, so good on you. Seriously. I am sorry that confessing your proclivities would socially ostracize you and make getting help harder, not easier. I hope that that changes some day.

But I am really disappointed to read that you have children. Even if you aren't attracted to them, their existence brings a lot more children into your life. I hope you have nothing to do with their school functions or friends. As scary as it might be, I think you should consider confessing to your wife so that she can help you stay away from girls in the age range you're most attracted to.

[–]tehlith 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't understand your second paragraph. Would the same not apply to the average person who has kids that have friends over/around after the age 18? Just because his admitted preference is for younger children does not make him inherently more dangerous. This is the logical pitfall that has painted people like OP into the corner he is in.

[–]stink3rbelle 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The people that OP is attracted to are inherently more vulnerable than adults. That's true in all cases, but it's especially true during play dates and social engagements where another child's parent is expected and permitted to be an authority figure to them. There's a difference between your 18-year-old daughter's friend's ability to protect herself and your 8-year-old daughter's friend's. There is also a difference between the kind of purview you as a parent will be given over each of these people. Over one, you are at best a chauffeur. Over the other, you are an expected caregiver.

It's not a logical pitfall at all: there are real differences between the kind of access you get to young playmates of your child and older playmates of your child, not to mention the maturity of the children themselves.

[–]WengFu 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The issue is that you're a priori assuming that the OP can't control his impulses. It's like suggesting that a hetero guy should avoid situations where he might run into women because he might give into some dark impulse and rape them.

[–]Riverboat_Gambler 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not, since a hetero guy could have consensual sex with someone he's turned on by, whilst this guy cannot.

[–]stink3rbelle 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

An adult who is sexually attracted to adults can express that in a way other than predation. In contrast, there is no way for OP to express his attraction to its object that is not predatory. He hits on a child like one might an adult? He confuses her. He tries to be nice to a child and help her trust him? He might toe the line to grooming. Of course OP can control his impulses--he is and he has so far. The problem is that by having children and being around other children he's putting himself in the line of fire. He told us that his fantasy is a child who willingly and consensually comes to him (though he understands consent isn't possible in the real world). What happens when one of his daughter's friends really likes him and gets very friendly? How much harder will it be to control himself?

[–]tehlith 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're still implying that he's a predator and/or less safe than someone who is sexually attracted to someone his age.

[–]freshlysquosed 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is because the person he's attracted to is infinitely more vulnerable and easier to attain.

[–]DickTooCold 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagreed with the second part of you initial statement but being explained by you like this helps me see that it's a very valid point.

I think he might be able to know what's best done in such situations judging by his self awareness and determination to contain his feelings. And I agree that someone should know about this in case he fails but I think his marriage might collapse if he told his wife since this situation wouldn't be easy to live in while fully realizing it.

This honestly a hard situation to be in. I Hope the best for this guy and his family.

[–]Othello 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pedophilia is not an impulse control disorder. Do you run around sexually assaulting the people you find attractive? I'm going to assume the answer is no, and unless the OP also has an impulse control disorder, then it's unlikely he is behaving in such a manner either.

As I type that though, even though I know it's correct, I realize that I still wouldn't bet my kids on it.

[–]Emmanola 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder if that's always true, though. The pedophiles who do act on their desires, despite grave risks to themselves, may not be able to control it. Also, many do not appear to have normal consciences, not caring or believing that they are hurting children.

[–]PyroNecrophile 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because the only pedophiles you know about are the ones that are sex offenders/rapists, making it appear that pedophiles = rapists. you only find out that someone is a pedophile after they've offended. it's like if you had 0 interactions with men in your life, and just read the news, you might start to believe that all men are rapists, or will rape eventually, but in reality, the vast majority aren't, they just don't write articles about people because they dont rape people. I suspect that there is a large percentage of pedophiles that exist and never offend, and never ever talk about it anywhere. The only time that you'd find out someone is a pedophile is after they rape a child. it's not something that's casually talked about normally.

[–]stink3rbelle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Acting on pedophilia isn't just violent rape, though. Acting on an attraction might feel to the pedophile like acting on an attraction to an adult: flirting. It might feel like making a friend. But both of those actions are also inappropriate to do with children. OP's fantasy is a child willingly coming to him, what happens when one of his daughters' friends gets super friendly? Does he reject her in a way that another parent wouldn't have to? Or does he establish a friendship and risk a growing attraction, and even grooming her?

The problem isn't his impulses, it's that he can't have healthy relationships to children, not least of all for himself. Being around them gives him too many opportunities to give into the subtler impulses.

[–]Riverboat_Gambler 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I type that though, even though I know it's correct, I realize that I still wouldn't bet my kids on it.

Of course you wouldn't, that's the cognitive dissonance telling you it isn't actually the same at all.

[–]time_keepsonslipping 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand why anyone is arguing with you on this. It's bog-standard advice given by every mental health professional who deals with pedophiles. "Don't expose yourself to unnecessary temptation" is common sense.

[–]mjasmjas 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are brain damaged and should not reproduce.

[–]jacobywankenobi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" Paarthurnax

[–]HaleyBugga 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've read a similar (but much less lengthy and detailed) comment elsewhere on reddit years ago that really opened my eyes and made me stop associating pedophilia with rape. Obviously sexual violence against children is an unimaginable horrible crime, but the simple attraction does not have to be harmful if there are copious amounts of self-awareness and restraint (especially as you cannot control what you are attracted to). Very enlightening, thank you for sharing.

[–]eks91 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is you view on other paraphilias like scat and necrophilia? If it hurts no one is it ok?

[–]TexasFreedomFries [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. I hope your children are taken from you sooner rather than later.

[–]notsugarbaby 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

As someone with an interest in ageplay and the ddlg subtype of dom/sub relationships, i don't find it difficult to relate to your struggles. In fact, i think a lot of people can relate to you in varying degrees. I find myself on the opposite end, where i'm constantly troubling myself with my attraction to older men and pretending i'm a little girl. Not similar to you, i'm attracted to rape play and a few other things that i know with my entire self are morally wrong. I fetishize these things, though i would never ever condone small girls being manipulated and controlled by older, larger men. I'm 20 now, able to have relationships with people i'm attracted to, but i do find myself thinking in similar ways as you. I commend you for dealing with your emotions the way you have, and i sympathize with you because i also have trouble saying with confidence that i am not a complete monster.

It's a good thing you recognize these things and from what i've read, i think your relationship with your wife is sweet and probably the best you can get. If there's a such thing as a paedophile with moral integrity, you're it.

Also, i read your post in the same voice i read Lolita by Nabokov in. I'm sure you're familiar with this at least from other posts, but if you haven't read it i think you'd enjoy it. A twisted book, and a twisted obsession that is NOT love, but to me it's erotic. That's why i liked it.

[–]Duckyonquacks 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey there, first of all I think it takes real balls to come out with something like this throwaway account or no. Secondly , it's good that you can recognize this issue and also own up to it. Thats half the battle .Here's how I feel about it. Regardless of the underling reasons and free of the debates of how you came to be this way or how those sexual inclinations..no wrong word. Fantasies are just that, they hurt no one and there's a big difference between you and a child molester Imo. But moving on now. I think that the issue with our society today and cultural tabboo is it promotes ignorance and does nothing to resolve issues like these for people that could potentially one day act on this urges given the right sequence if events that may push them to a breaking point of sorts. Everyone throwing around words like paedophile at random father's, false accusations, threats of how terrible the vigalante justice would be against someone who admits this etc etc is only working against us and putting under age people at risk. Don't get me wrong, severe punishment and not letting people get away with harming kids is certainly right. But I feel that a revamp of at least (I'm in the US btw) our way of handling people with famillys morals and lives just like you that feel they have this going on needs to be changed. I don't think as a race and society we are ready for that through. Treatment centers, anonymous councleing, help hotlines. All this and above would greatly reduce the risk of people suseptible to your condition of making the wrong choices and hurting people (potentially) Not saying you ever would or that many people ever would in a similar situation. How do we expect to prevent this without any support available. Carefully, with clear guidelines, and taking into account if your in a relationship or have children for protective purposes of course. It would be a massive undertaking. Protection of people's rights and keeping them safe while seeking help would need to be considered to. But since you don't have the luxory of this type of support. I would recommend really doing some soul searching. Your aware of the problem, you gave asked for help in your own way on here even. Good. Fantast and reality are to major world's apart. Guilting yourself and beating yourself up with hypethetical won't do you any good however. Everyone is unique. I would really , really ask yourself a hard question tho. We're you ever abused yourself as a child ? Most people with this inclination are weather they block it out as a defence mechanism or just won't admit it to themselves or otherwise. Maybe you could seek coucleing for the potential underling issues or reasons you feel could be, even if it's a vague idea. But that you feel could be the cause. It might help. Stregthen your self confidence and moral resolve. Put yourself in the shoes of an underage person and think about/if you want some revolting shock to put in place look up what some of these abuse survivers have to deal with as a result. Even if they felt it was consential at the time or were coerced. Keep it close to you that you know your not the kind of man/woman that would hurt another person like that, specially not a child. I don't believe you are. Anyway thanks if you read this and good luck. It could aslo be about innocence , control , power, maybe about you having control over yourself. A lack of confidence in your own ability or self doubt when it comes to dealing with people in your own age range. Like do you feel confident of your masculinity and in control in your relationship. do you feel like your equal to your spouse ? that type of thing

[–]SwedishBoatlover 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want anyone to read that, consider breaking it up into paragraphs. It's just a big fat block of text, as a dyslectic, I wouldn't even consider trying to read your comment.

[–]NyanDerp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. Screw political correctness. This is really fucked up, dude.

[–]crosstoday 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

We're normalizing pedophilia now?

[–]umisery 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]crosstoday 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did you just link to yourself? You are just proposing that there is nothing negative about what is being discussed here. Such safe spaces were banned from Reddit itself because they could become a SAFE SPACE for decidedly un-virtuous behavior, namely discussing the lifestyle and grooming tactics. Counseling and treatment is the only thing these people should be pursuing, not each other.

[–]umisery 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you just link to yourself?

Yes because I'm totally u/gamer_zzzz /s

No, I used his comment because you've asked the same question that's been asked multiple times in this thread.

[–]Throwcatbug 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who is into rape play it is important to realize that what you think and what you do are two very different things. As long as you can admit to yourself that what you are thinking is seperate from what you will do, then you are no different than anyone else with a "normal" fetish. Just take a chill pill you've made it this far in your life by being a good and honest man, what you like to think about when alone doesn't define who you are. If every guy and gal would masterbate everytime they were horny the entire world would be in the shitter.

Just to clarify I am not saying I condone pedophiles or pedophilia, but managing and dealing with impulses is something that everyone learns and will struggle with

[–]BassTooth 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I dunno, I think you're playing with fire; what with the daughters and all. I don't think your story is atypical though, maybe get help, see a therapist?

[–]Invicta_Lupus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Therapists in the US report you even if you haven't done anything or are just trying to get help.

[–]vannhaley123 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mandatory reporting laws.

[–]Saigunx 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

pushing pedosexuality now. it begins. virtue/kind version or not, it is still sick and disgusting.

[–]Juicy_Brucesky 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit hates trump but is perfectly okay with sexualizing kids. You read that correctly

[–]dadfrombrad 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I keep reading this as "pay-dophile."

[–]ikilldinosaurs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, Teddy Westside.

[–]bullintheheather 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brave of you to post this. It's really not fair that trying to seek some kind of help or therapy for this is pretty much out of the question because of the instant and vehement reaction it evokes, and very high probability to ruin your life.

[–]taffyai 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for posting this. I'm glad you've never thought about physically hurting a child that's a big difference between you and the people who do. And I know a lot of people hate it or think it's wrong... but for a lot of people similar to yourself the hentai and 3D/Artistic materialization of their fantasies can really help deter them from actually committing the acts. I honestly would love to see a study done about it and the percentage of good/bad it does. Because a lot of people have this idea it can make it worse; which maybe it can for some. But if it helps people tame their desires in a safe way... I'm all for it because it isn't real and isn't hurting anyone. IMO admitting it to yourself is great! People who can be brave and say "Hey I have a problem and I need help before I make a mistake" is really admirable. I mean I can relate in a way because I find incest exciting but I don't apply it to myself... meaning like I don't think of my family as anything but my family.. I'm not attracted to them in anyway and I also wouldn't want to see real families do it either. It's like the idea of it is enough I know those people aren't related but when they act like it I enjoy it. But I'd never ever do anything with a family member it grosses me out. Like others have said try to join a group about it. And please if you ever feel like you lose control get yourself some help before you do anything.

[–]swan_faced_bitch 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think there is a BIG difference between having paedophilia and being a paedophile. You sound like a person who has a healthy understanding of yourself, relationships, and other people - a person living with the challenges of having paedophilia that is focused on protecting others. This is very very different to being a person who intentionally and systematically manipulates, uses, and permanently harms people for their own sexual gratification. Keep up the good work of being a good person!

[–]thelastmindbender 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't believe you chose to have children. You say you are not attracted to them because they look like you. What the fuck if they did not??? How could you say that you are so benevolent and good willing and then decide to play with fire anyway?

[–]dontcheckmyredditlol 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (15子コメント)

So, with this in mind, would you argue that pedophilia is an orientation? There's been a lot of controversy amongst the LGBT community about allowing pedophilia in as a sexuality. Some people call it "agefluid" but I think that's like a subset. Disclaimer: not agreeing with it, simply inquiring.

[–]Levi-Avatar 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (12子コメント)

From a purely scientific point of view... it is an orientation. It's out of his control and sexual in nature.

The problem with including it with LGBT is that we (I am bi) don't hurt anyone when we act out our desires. Pedophiles can never act on theirs without hurting someone.

[–]Deathbytiger 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's proven to be a mental disorder, not a sexual orientation.

[–]CaptainApollyon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you are so wrong it hurts

[–]ChamuelSophia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

wtf is this shit.

From a purely scientific point of view it is NOT an orientation. Orientation's defined as the gender you are attracted to.. age doesn't come into the equation. From a purely scientific point of view it's a mental disorder.

[–]thisguyiswrongAK23ds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What? Why in the world do you think it's a mental disorder when it isn't? We use the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders to define mental disorders.

[–]ChamuelSophia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Really? Very astute of you. However, DSM-V lists "pedophilic disorder."

That enough for you? Or do you want to change the definition of sexual orientation?

[–]thisguyiswrongAK23ds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you suggesting that all pedophiles also have pedophilic disorder?

[–]ChamuelSophia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah that's what I am suggesting. I'll take it further and suggest that all pedophiles should be executed.

Are you suggesting that pedophilia is a sexual orientation?

[–]thisguyiswrongAK23ds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow. No, I am asserting that pedophilic disorder is categorically distinct from pedophilia. Therefore, your assertion is factually and provably incorrect. In fact, the evidence supporting my position and disproving yours is included in your link. I find it quite disturbing that you would present a link containing evidence that explicitly contradicts your argument.

In order to be diagnosed with a Paraphilic Disorder, the paraphilia needs to be causing significant distress or impairment, or involve personal harm or risk of harm to others. You can have a paraphilia, but not have a paraphilic disorder. It is only when it causes impairment, harm or the risk of harm that it become a clinical diagnosis.

Symptoms of Pedophilic Disorder include:

--) over a period of at least 6 months, a person has had recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child (a child who has not yet gone through puberty) or children. Typically, the child or children are age 13 years or younger.

--) the individual has acted on these sexual urges, or the fantasies and sexual urges are causing marked distress or interpersonal difficulties.

--) The individual is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children involved.

This definition of Pedophilic Disorder is qualitatively (and blatantly) distinct from the definition of pedophile.

You need help.

[–]ChamuelSophia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup, that's right in line with the textbook definition of any pedophile. It's causing interpersonal difficulties for the OP here given he can't be honest with his wife about his disorder, and they are all a risk to others.

Here's the fucking wikipedia entry for it. "Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children."

It's a disorder. Period. And all of these sick fucks should be executed as death is the only cure.

[–]thisguyiswrongAK23ds 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What? No, it isn't. You literally just provided a contrary definition. You may be right that the example of OP meets requirement for pedophilic disorder, but that doesn't pertain to my contention. The "fucking" wikipedia article that you just linked to me strongly supports my argument and 100% defeats your argument because it falsely attributes the additional characteristics present in pedophilic disorder that aren't present in pedophilia with pedophilia using a source that directly contradicts that interpretation (DSM-5).

The actual definition of pedophilia is something more like: "sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object". That mere sexual preference, by scientific definition, does not meet the requirements of pedophilic disorder (per DSM-5). A person can be a pedophile and not have pedophilic disorder. Your argument is patently false.

No one cares if you think something is a disorder or not. What actually is a disorder, is what the scientific community has established a consensus regarding. You aren't qualified to make that determination and if you were DSM-5 would be different and you'd be a credited author of it.

You're just wrong

edit- Sorry.