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[–]Counsel_for_RBNPeacock Captain 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (20子コメント)

$30 still beats the hell out of $200 or whatever textbooks cost now. There are some bells you don't want to ring.

[–]fadeaccompli 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you sure he doesn't have permission to photocopy it? My French instructor uses a photocopied out-of-print textbook that we all buy for about $25 from a print shop... And it has a little slip of paper noting this is done with permission of the publisher, not to copy it further, etc. I'm pretty happy to have an inexpensive textbook and he's happy that he can keep using the textbook he likes even though the publisher doesn't make it anymore.

You can certainly contact the school administration or the publisher if you're deeply concerned about copyright, but keep in mind he might be doing this legally anyway.

[–]Zazenp 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spent over a decade handling higher Ed copyright: we don't have enough information to know whether your teacher is actually violating copyright. All we see is "out of print book", which means there's a wide definition of what that means. The book could be old enough to pass into public domain or the copyright may have passed back to the author after it was no longer published. Either way, the teacher may have received permission from the copyright holder to make copies. I've negotiated gratis copyright permission with both publishers and authors hundreds of times. So, firstly, you don't know whether the teacher is within his/her right to do this. The extra cost could very well be copyright licensing fees. Secondly, assuming you're correct that they are violating copyright: something of this scope is a civil matter. That means the teacher isn't going to get a visit from the cops, she/he will get a letter from the copyright holder. Considering the book is out of print, there's very little chance anyone will care about the teacher doing this for their own class. Usually, when a book is out of print long enough, the copyright is then given back to the original author. In most cases I've encountered, the author is simply tickled that someone is still using their work since the publisher has told them that it isn't feasible to print anymore. If the book is out of print because the publisher folded, then the authors are usually thrilled because it helps them demonstrate to new publishers that there's a demand for the book. If the publisher simply has stopped printing it temporarily to dedicate their schedule to more profitable books, then they usually allow schools to reprint the content for a fee. Lastly, I've spent the majority of my professional life working in the creative field and higher education. For a long time, it was my job to find professors in the schools I worked for who were doing this and shut them down. Now, as a business owner in the creative market, I take copyright exceptionally seriously. Please keep that in mind as I say what my legal advice is. Grow up, shut up, and let it go. You've made it painfully clear that you have an axe to grind with this professor and you're petty enough to try to "tattle" on them. You're in college. Act like an adult. Copyright is exceptionally important to protect creators of original content but it has been weaponized against education. If your professor is truly breaking copyright (and, again, you still haven't shown that they have), I don't condone his/her actions. But I sure am happy that students are able to get their educational materials for a reasonable price. Why you want to hurt those students just to get your professor in trouble is beyond me. And, frankly, all you're going to do is hurt yourself and your own reputation. Edit: yeah, got a little harsh. Lightened it up.

[–]SAD_FACED_CLOWN 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you failing Spanish? It sounds like you have an axe to grind. I've never seen college students complain over getting a break from an instructor. Also how do you know he doesn't have permission to make the copies?

[–]SlyZombehFox[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, I go to a military college and I feel like our faculty should be required to follow rules just like the rest of us.

[–]your_mom_is_availabl 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know that you broke the rules just as just as much as he did, right?

Not only that, but you saved $170 by doing so, much more than his "profit" of $18.

If you feel this strongly that the hammer should be dropped on people who break the rules, you should start with turning yourself in.

[–]SlyZombehFox[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I bought the actual book from the school book store

[–]your_mom_is_availabl 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My Spanish teacher uses an out of print textbook in his class

I bought the actual book from the school book store

oh really

[–]SlyZombehFox[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, they had used copies that were returned to the book store

[–]SAD_FACED_CLOWN 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again how do you know he's breaking any rules?

[–]your_mom_is_availabl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the photocopies are illegal to sell, they're also illegal to buy.

[–]damageddude 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Report your teacher to the department head or give the lower quote to the teacher for future reference. That said, unless the textbook is in the public domain, your teacher is violating copyright law.

[–]theletterqwertyQuality Contributor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this a case of copyright infringement?

Without the publisher's permission to do what he's doing, yes, it is.

So this teacher is making a profit, what can I do about it?

Report him to the university and the professional associations he belongs to.

[–]bubblestring 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

what can I do about it?

Tell your parents

[–]SlyZombehFox[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in college, I mean who at the school should I talk to

[–]what-about-99 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wronged party here is the copyright holder. If this bothers you, report it to the publisher of the textbook.

[–]s-dubya 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is this a public highschool? Private highschool? College?

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Author: /u/SlyZombehFox

Teacher photocopies out of print textbook and sells them at a profit to his classes

My Spanish teacher uses an out of print textbook in his class and takes $30 to photocopy it for his students. Is this a case of copyright infringement? I got a quote for how much it would cost to mass print these books and it comes to about $12 and change or less the more he makes. So this teacher is making a profit, what can I do about it?

[–]Elfich47 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

IANAL - I have a couple of common sense questions though.

This quote - how many books are in a mass print? Educational texts are considered small run (a couple thousand to maybe tens of thousands), no where the volume of a NYtimes best seller. Small print runs cost more than mass market. I would be leery of that quote.

On the other hand- it is quite likely your teacher is violating copyright by copying the book and charging you for it. The book is also out of print so getting new copies will be tough, if not impossible. You can't just go to a printer and ask to reprint a copyrighted book.

A couple of questions before you decide to go on a crusade on this subject. If you bring in the lawyers, people get fired (like your Spanish teacher).

  1. Would you have a Spanish text book otherwise?
  2. Do you know where the extra money is going? It is possible the teacher is spending the extra funds on supplies for their class room. US classrooms are notoriously underfunded and teachers often payout of pocket for school supplies to keep their classrooms running. If the teacher is spending the extra funds on the classroom they aren't making any money the exchange and the classroom is improved.

I am not advocating you should condone breaking the law. You should be aware that the consequences of your actions, (should you blow the whistle on your teacher) may not be what you had intended.

Edit: this teacher would be making $20 per student per book. If he teacher has 50 students per year they would have $1000 in "profit" That isn't enough to be worth the trouble. I'm guessing the money goes to classroom funding. $1000 can go a long way to outfitting a classroom.

[–]SlyZombehFox[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

  1. Would you have a Spanish text book otherwise? Yeah, there are plenty of Spanish 202 textbooks out there
  2. Do you know where the extra money is going? It is possible the teacher is spending the extra funds on supplies for their class room. I don't know where the money is going, however I do know he does not buy classroom supplies. He just reads out of the book and writes on the whiteboard and thats somehow "teaching"

[–]Elfich47 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the rest of the thread I've picked up this is college, not high school.

Did you price a Spanish 202 book? You're in for a couple hundred dollars- new or used.

Paying $30 for a college textbook is a steal. Say "thank you sir can I have another" because he other option is to pay ten times that for a text book. Just because the printing cost for a reprint of the book is $12; you as the customer will never see that price.

So your choices aren't legal as much as political- you can thank your professor that you only have to pay $30 for a text book. Or you can raise a stink: go to the department chair and make sure your professor uses a book from the book store that costs you 200-300 dollars. Your choice.

[–]easilypersuadedsquid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just because you got a quote for a "mass print" that doesn't mean it's what he's paying for the photocopying.

[–]SlyZombehFox[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I got a quote for the photocopy, printing it, binding it, and for the same number of pages as the textbook and the approximate number of books he had made, sorry for the confusion.