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[–]52WeekRice 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
I'm sure for SC judge, his response would be, "I never said I would get someone confirmed," and someone did get confirmed.
[–]UmeJack 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Which is technically correct. Reading the pledge, he doesn't even promise to nominate someone. He just says he'll, "begin the process of selecting".
[–]MikeyPhConservative -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1日前 (7子コメント)
I would warn you to be careful with statements like this.
If you want to read his 100 day plan, it's still up on his website here. Yes, nominating someone for the supreme court is on there. I don't know how he can expect us to believe he didn't put it out there when it's both still online and we have the video of his Gettysburg speech making all of these promises that even an extremely generous interpretation doesn't even get him to 50% done. Reading the pledge, he doesn't even promise to nominate someone. He just says he'll, "begin the process of selecting".
If you want to read his 100 day plan, it's still up on his website here. Yes, nominating someone for the supreme court is on there. I don't know how he can expect us to believe he didn't put it out there when it's both still online and we have the video of his Gettysburg speech making all of these promises that even an extremely generous interpretation doesn't even get him to 50% done.
Reading the pledge, he doesn't even promise to nominate someone. He just says he'll, "begin the process of selecting".
So he stuck by his pledge, did he not? Whether you like the pledge or not, he stuck by it, so criticizing him for not sticking to his pledge is simply incorrect.
There are also several outright 180s including on China's currency manipulation and when you look at the legislation he promised to have introduced by now it's incredibly ugly.
So would it be smarter to make a pledge and then we things change, stick with the original pledge? If say he makes a pledge to get NATO to start pulling more of it's weight or if it turned out that his pledge about China wasn't quite the right move, should he just stick with the original pledge?
These 100 day plans are kind of stupid. "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry". This is a true and timeless observation, and notice it says "The best", so it would stand to reason that plans that aren't the best would probably more often go awry. Therefore, it is smarter to take plans and pledges with a grain of salt, weight the actions of the individual based on the circumstances and hope that the person is smart enough to not fool heartily stick to a plan that no longer makes sense.
This is such an asinine and foolish standard to hold. A plan is just that, a plan. It's not a prophecy. This is your fair warning that continuing to make these kinds of accusations and false criticisms so will result in a ban for violating rule 4, 5, 6, and 11.
[–]UmeJack 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1日前* (5子コメント)
I think I did a poor job of separating my two points, that's my bad there. Allow me to attempt to clarify.
I wasn't trying to say he had failed at his SCOTUS plan. Quite the contrary, he without a doubt 100% succeeded on that one. What I was criticizing was that when the interviewer asked him whether he should be held accountable to the 100 day 28 point plan that you can still find on his website, he seems to be saying he had achieved so much beyond that, like the supreme court, that it didn't matter. That seemed like a really weird answer to me because SCOTUS is on there. Why try to tell us that it wasn't part of the plan?
The 100 day marker has always been pretty arbitrary, you're right. I completely get that good leaders can and should change their minds when new evidence is presented. No one forced him to put out a 'contract with the american voter' with his signature and a place for mine though. There are absolutely things on there he's done. SCOTUS, TPP, and eliminating regulations all get giant checkmarks.
Looking through those 28 promises though, how many would you say he's done? Especially with the ten pieces of legislation, the only thing he's introduced is the obamacare repeal right? We might get a tax plan Wednesday that I hope hits one of the other points.
EDIT: I'll edit my original post to try to clarify things.
[–]MikeyPhConservative -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1日前 (4子コメント)
That seemed like a really weird answer to me because SCOTUS is on there. Why try to tell us that it wasn't part of the plan?
I would answer this with the same think I tell a lot of leftists who just hate on everything Trump ever says. While I know speaking well and clearly, especially to media is important as a president, being a great speaker on the spot is not essential to the presidency. What is worse, a president who misspeaks a lot when it doesn't matter all that much? Or a president who is on point with great responses that sound great, but flips on stuff left and right or lies behind our backs?
Personally, the latter is far worse in my view. I misspeak, you just did a poor job separating your two points. Why is it that we critique the hell out of him on minor things like what he "seems" to be saying?
I think a far more reasonable way to analyze what he said was "Look, the misconception is that I promised to get the nomination process completed in my 100 day plan, all I promised was to start the process because these things can take some time, if the Democrats successfully filibustered then it could have taken a very long time. But we actually did more than start the process, we finished it and I made good on my promise to nominate a conservative, letter-of-the-law Justice, and Gorsuch is just that. And he hit the ground running, he's already doing a fabulous job."
I would love it if Trump talked like that. He doesn't. That's okay. I know a lot of people who say things that you have to translate a bit and journalists design their questions to stump people they don't support. That's what they think their job is, to make the President stumble and stutter and say something that will get people all riled up... I would think their job is to get to the truth, but who am I?
What the media does is irresponsible and the public is eating it up. He misspeaks even the slightest bit and people are like "Well does he mean the nazis were good?!? He probably means the nazis were good!" Coolidge tried to just answer questions Yes or No whenever he could... Do we want a good public speaker or a good president? They aren't mutually exclusive but also the one isn't a requisite for the other.
[–]UmeJack 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 23時間前 (2子コメント)
What is worse, a president who misspeaks a lot when it doesn't matter all that much? Or a president who is on point with great responses that sound great, but flips on stuff left and right or lies behind our backs?
Totally with you there, the latter is way worse. It just constantly takes me off guard that a guy who made his living on TV in front of the cameras and on twitter talking directly to the voters so frequently seems to have issues being clear. He doesn't have to rely on journalists, he can talk straight to us and offer clarifications.
I also think it's an important line to watch for when someone is lying and flip flopping to you but they say they were just misunderstood. I'm not saying Trump is doing that in this case, but especially with the government shutdown talks this week, I'm paying very close attention to what the White House is saying in regards to the border wall funding which is another thing on the contract he has the chance to get done before the 100 day mark. If Trump signs a budget with no wall funding, like the one Congress seems to be sending him, I'm certain he'll have a reason, but at what point do I start to think it was just an applause line during the campaign and nothing more?
[–]MikeyPhConservative -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 22時間前 (1子コメント)
That is a valid question. We are trying to encourage that over what some of the other users are doing and what you arguably came close to earlier. You can't explain away every critique of a president with "well I guess he got some intel we just aren't privy to." After a while that looks foolish and I've seen people from all political ideologies do that from time to time. It could possibly be true that every time there was information we didn't know I guess, but it does raise legitimate red flags if we can't pin things down. I don't think he's crossed that line at all, I think generally people are still jumping down his throat when he makes any unclear statement or anything that could possibly be construed as wrong. Like backing off on China, from what I understand Trump was wrong about their currency manipulation practices, at least as of late, and he did the right thing to back off. But people are counting that as a strike against him.
We have a problem with that in this country in general, and on the internet it is even worse. We are trying to combat that here, so I would encourage you and anyone else reading this to please be very aware of a criticism that is baseless, and the tone and tack taken when making a valid criticism. We don't like banning or reprimanding... or even just politely correcting people. But I especially don't like to ban for our Rule 11, because we aren't intending to just quash all valid criticisms of Republicans. It is more to combat baseless accusations, intellectually dishonest critiques, and overall Republican bashing disguised as legitimate critiques. Generally speaking a Republican shouldn't just bash a fellow Republican, you trust your fellow Republicans the way you trust your teammates. You speak positively about your fellow Republicans and hesitate to speak critically of them... you might have to be critical on occasion, so when we must be, it holds more weight if people weren't just implying that Trump was likely embezzling money through his power as President earlier in the thread.
So again, please be aware of that because as much as we like some users and think they are otherwise reasonable (and you seem to be a reasonable person), we have banned several otherwise reasonable for those things. Again, we don't want to shut down criticisms altogether, contrary to what the liberal subs will tell you, we are not fascists. We just want to make sure people aren't being shitty criticisms. So we will use rule 11 when we have to.
[–]UmeJack 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 21時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't envy your position. I mod over at r/sportsbook and deal with enough crap. I would never voluntarily do it for a sub with so much more political discussion. We've got some angry back and forth right now about betting on the French election.
I guess we'll see what happens Friday since we either have a government shutdown, funding for a wall, or Trump doing some serious explaining.
[–]Not_CleaverConservative 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
That was bad. I couldn't finish it. Trump has given good speeches as president. Look at his speech announcing Gorsuch or his foreign policy speech at AIPAC. His speech announcing air strikes against Syria was also splendid. But this, this was just bad. He needs to retool how he approaches interviews, I think. I think he can do better. But this just confirms what the media, the left, and many in the right think about him.
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