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[–]enigma7x 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

About halfway through and destiny says he hopes he isn't forgetting anyone who has helped him. Immediately I recalled when TB stepped in to help host the Destiny I tournament when he encountered Internet issues.

Is there something else with TB I may have missed that would result in him passing by this or did destiny just forget?

[–]ming212209 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think there's a bunch of people that helped him with that tournament, all the casters and u/rif_king too. I guess he's separating organizing a tournament with his own experience as a pro player. I don't know for what reason, all those people did go out of their way to help him.

[–]AxiomNickVids1313 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because for most of them, they could benefit off Destiny in some way.

[–]nice__username 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (7子コメント)

"A lot of the casters were not going to work Anaheim if Destiny was on staff"

Really?..

I remember being really disappointed when this all happened. What an ... interesting ... reason

[–]Nathan "Nathanias" Fabrikantnathanias 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ya definitely not real. Rotti and I both like Steven I can't imagine anyone else woulda freaked about him being there.

[–]ming212209 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder why the organizer dude didn't just give a legitimate excuse like, "having Destiny cast will affect our sponsorships" instead of making that easily verifiable lie. It would have been at least understandable for both parties.

[–]woopr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

2014 Anaheim

The event is casted by Sean “Day9″ Plott, Kevin “RotterdaM” van der Kooi, Yoan “ToD” Merlo, Paulo “CatZ” Vizcarra, Nathan “Nathanias” Fabrikant and Alex “Axeltoss” Rodriguez.

Axeltoss was vocally critical of Destiny's criticism towards Blizzard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U60dUB1oRt8). IS HE THE CULPRIT THAT DENIED DESTINY HIS MLG SPOT??

[–]Gracksploitation [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Let me quote Axeltoss in this exchange: "...the best way to do it is go behind cl-- t-talk to people, like behind closed doors to say..."

Talk to people behind closed doors? HmmStiny 🤔

https://youtu.be/U60dUB1oRt8?t=206

[–]hydro0033 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How can you say "not real" when your following sentence says "I can't imagine," therefore indicating that you don't actually know?

[–]Nathan "Nathanias" Fabrikantnathanias 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The first statement is my logical conclusion. The second statement is me saying that I spoke to one of the other casters about it and we were both confused that Steven wasn't there. There were not a million casters at this event...

[–]Geoff "iNcontroL" RobinsonEG_iNcontroLRC 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wish people were more open about naming names.. if someone does something really shady/bad I'd like it if people were a bit more motivated to just talk about it openly. I know it's hard and "risky" on their end but for Destiny now as a person who is not reliant on esports gigs or the sc2 community he can basically with full immunity say exactly what he wants, right?

Kaitlyn too has been voicing grievances with sc2 people on twitter but is reluctant to name names. It gives us a chance to filter out the bad OR discuss the other side of a story too.

Not my business and of course talking indirectly about things is less dangerous but as someone still here in the sc2 community I get a bit annoyed when stuff is passed around like "old boys club" and talking about all the bad things they did but nobody gets specific so it just kinda is a stinker with no real substance.

[–]LunaWasHere 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like the reason is because he knows who he's talking about he feels like the other people who "member when" back to the old days of SC2 are gonna know who he's thinking of too. He could probably name names but he's said a few times (once or twice in this video, I remember he said it a bunch of times back in his Tigerlily/Naniwa/Desrow hate vid) that he doesn't like to burn bridges and it's pretty clear that even though he isn't going to be coming back to Starcraft any time soon he still doesn't feel the need to make any potential enemies.

[–]DontLMAOme [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think, it is more about - the people in the "old boys club" knows who they are. So he does not need to mention their names. I think that most people in here, knows know who they are.

Destiny scored himself a new loyal viewer.

[–]Randominterarmaenim 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly I just assumed they were blaming it all on you.

[–]Random-Kuya [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm kind of on the same boat. It's a bit hard to explain accurately, but particularly at the height of WoL: TeamLiquid's community was the premier feedback pool for brands like MLG and Dreamhack to consult.

The old boys club feeling felt apparent when you realised that the usual premier casters for these events were typically favoured in TeamLiquid, while Destiny and a lot of other smaller figures that came to Reddit (either because they were banned, or their content just circulated here better) barely saw the same opportunities.

I think it's totally fair for organisers to avoid people with stigma/bad behavior on their events, but it also felt like if you weren't really deep with the guys at TL you weren't getting those premier casting spots even if you had the following/knowledge that would benefit the organiser.

[–]Root GamingROOTCatZ 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I was about to sleep but I just started watching this I think I might as well stream myself watching it and provide my perspective on things.

[–]Zehnpae 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (13子コメント)

What is there to say? He's right in that he's mostly a self made man but he's also been the architect of his own demise. He bemoans not being allowed to cast that MLG and nobody coming to his rescue but I don't think he remembers just how -much- of an ass he was back then.

I can't speak to how he has been for the past year or two but back then he was absolutely toxic. That's why nobody wanted to touch him.

The guys that constantly got the casting gigs got them because they were mostly /r/wholesomememes personified. Day9 has managed to maintain a public image of being a unicorn shitting rainbows and the others that were constantly on main stage were the same.

I believe Destiny recently was invited and casted a Homestory cup didn't he? That's the kind of environment he would have flourished in but we didn't really have that back in the early days of SC2. We all thought SC2 was going to be what LoL is now so everyone was super worried about image.

I really enjoyed watching Destiny's streams way back in the day. Just as he says he wanted others to do well, I wanted him to do well. But too often I had to turn it off because he'd start shouting racist shit or going on about choking women and other 4chan autistic shit.

Idra's popularity was 10x what Desitny ever achieved and did you ever see Idra cast an event? Of course not. No major event organizer would want to risk Idra saying, "Everybody watching this is fucking garbage you're all shit." just like they wouldn't want to risk Destiny going off the handle.

He made himself sure, but what he made was a bit of a monster.

Edit: Idra did cast a few events. Test post, plz ignore.

[–]gnawxens 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Idra casted at a Shoutcraft, an ASUS ROG tournament and an IEM. He was well-received.
You must be new.

[–]Zehnpae 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I forgot about the IEM, you're right. My bad.

[–]Dreadgoat 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

everyone was super worried about image

I think this is why Destiny has a (relatively) negative memory of his time in the SC2 scene.

I remember there were definitely times when people, Destiny included, were unacceptably shitty. Or worse, abused their soapbox in really unfortunate ways. However, most of the time when pitchforks came out, it was some TMZ garbage. People were so preoccupied with "looking like a real professional industry" that it made them actually look even more childish.

When everyone was gunning to make SC2 the Neo of esports, there was a very toxic attitude surrounding perceived unprofessionalism. That's a big issue for long form streamers like Destiny, who can't really be completely professional at all points in time. It's just impossible and exhausting.

I absolutely love people like Day9 / PiG and what they bring. Those personalities and products are an extremely valuable presence, and really pleasant for everyone to enjoy. But make no mistake, Day9 is a manufactured personality. This is not an insult, it is just part of how he brings value. He makes an active effort to be relentlessly positive as much as he can. It's beautiful to watch and I have massive respect for the effort. But if he streamed as much as Destiny, there is no way he could keep it up. Everyone has bad days.

As long as the community values long form streamers (and as it stands those are the MOST valued streamers), we can't pretend to want everyone to be super professional all the time. It's just not humanly possible. But the SC2 community expected it anyway, and it has resulted in a lot of cool people (Destiny, IdrA, Naniwa, inControl, etc.) being on-and-off ostracized and often driven away.

You can see it in the responses to your own post. You made a lot of great points, but a single inaccurate assertion. Now you have several responses talking just about that one thing you got wrong, and absolutely no one bantering with your great points. People in this community are all too eager to criticize each other.

For the most part, I think SC2 has one of the best communities in esports. Compared to LoL, Dota2, CSGO, and the FGC, I feel that we are more welcoming and inclusive. However, at the same time, it's a community that is very quick to shun anyone who makes a mistake. Destiny was blackballed in an effort to save face, and I don't fault him at all for being bitter about it.

In general, I find Destiny to be a flawed person who is nonetheless very eager to reflect and improve himself. He will always have my respect for that, no matter what stupid shit he does or says. The more manufactured personalities I can't say that about. Not because it isn't true, but because they will never be transparent enough for me to be able to tell one way or the other.

[–]Team LiquidOasx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as the community values long form streamers (and as it stands those are the MOST valued streamers), we can't pretend to want everyone to be super professional all the time. It's just not humanly possible. But the SC2 community expected it anyway, and it has resulted in a lot of cool people (Destiny, IdrA, Naniwa, inControl, etc.) being on-and-off ostracized and often driven away.

It is not about being super professional, but about not being an asshole. Requiring someone to act like a decent human being, especially if they want the nice paying jobs is not a crime. All the people who missed out of jobs because of the way they acted, would never have acted that way in real life where racism and homophobia is not tolerated, there is no reason we should tolerate in in Starcraft or eSports in general.

Even Destiny realised that his language was actually hurting people and stopped doing it.

[–]ZergAicy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You realise how much Day9 streams now right? It's still not Destiny tier, but he's gone from his four times a week one hour videos to regularly streaming hours of games at a time. Check out his youtube channel for reference. So yeah I do think Day9's personality is definitely not entirely real and has been adjusted over time, but like you said it's exhausting to do that all the time and I wouldn't call it manufactured. Maybe he's just gotten really good at it, though.

Other than that I completely agree with your post, it's easy for us to forget the period where SC2 was going to be "the next best thing" and everyone was focused on being professional as possible to get into the mainstream and make that happen. Everyone had this desperate desire to be like mainstream sports and tried to do what they thought mainstream sports respected.

[–]Dreadgoat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm subbed to day9 on both youtube and twitch! I actually watch him more than Destiny. He's consistently been my favorite content creator ever since I discovered him on blip.tv

I actually noted his struggle to maintain positivity in some of his longer streams as I was making my point. He has discussed it himself from time to time on stream, how if he is just in a bad mood he has to find a way to bring that to the stream in way that manages to be authentic without being an asshole. That's incredibly difficult and I imagine it is very draining to do consistently.

There's a reason Day9 is legendary.

But there's also a reason Destiny is legendary. I appreciate the honesty and transparency he brings. He's just who he is, with all his flaws and virtues. He is a growing, learning person, trying to have fun and entertain. I think he's genuinely a good person, because if he weren't, he wouldn't be able to be himself so much and so publicly, because the public is vicious. He's done some dumb shit, he's biased, and he does continue to hold some attitudes that I personally do not like. But I can say the exact same of literally every person that I call a friend in real life.

As Day9 himself has often preached, public figures are not allowed to be inconsistent or make mistakes. (Read: Be a normal human.) Destiny does both regularly, and he pays a price for it. It shouldn't be that way.

[–]Wasted_Comment 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

uummm.. don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure Idra casted some big events. Maybe not on the big stages but I think I've seen him casting with Artosis or DJwheat.

The other point that he was making was the fact that nobody really backed him up for things like sponsors or when he acted as an asshole; everybody was mostly like "yea. He is an asshole." never backed him up because they were thinking for their own self interest. They didn't want it to affect their sponsors or image by defending Destiny. I don't blame them but when you consider yourself friends you should back up each other no matter what.

Now, I think arguably Destiny never really acted that he was someone who needed or wanted to be backed up. He was mostly/probably always acting self-righteous and very independent. He was always someone who liked, as in his word, to be alone figure out things on his own. Anyways that's just my opinion.

[–]SpaceAspie 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not everyone looking out for themselves, it's the people in the old boy's club protecting each other. If you were in, you were in and no amount of being an unbelievable cunt could get you kicked out. And if you were out, best learn to start gargling balls because that's the only way to get anywhere.

[–]WeMade FoxIdunnoLXG [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Last time Destiny went to HSC he was less than enthusiastic. I remember when MC sang "Let It Go" and instead of smiling and being happy like everyone else around him to be there, he had the look of dread on his face the whole time.

Destiny has had an issue with SC2 for a long time. As time went on he became more jaded and angry. It's not enough for him to simply state this is no longer for him and leave it at that. He wants to justify his actions and decision and cite reasons as to a) why he left and b) why he has no contact to anyone within the scene.

It's just sad. If you don't want to be involved in SC2 anymore that's fine, but why constantly drag good people down just to justify your decision and occasionally take aim and potshots at them?

Just my .02

[–]Magmaniac [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was 100% with Destiny in that moment, I thought MC singing that was nothing but pure cringe.

[–]HaloLegend98 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

did you ever see Idra cast an event?

Your memory fails your perception.

Idra casted several small events, and yes he functioned a little awkwardly, but he wasn't toxic like he was as a player in the spotlight. He was also a personality on weekly shows just like Destiny. I don't believe idra casted a major huge event, but then again I don't think idra would see himself around SC2 long enough to need to be a caster. The guy was first a player. He had too much going for him and that's why he's now in University.

Destiny was the one that had to hide behind his PC screen (like Avilo now) because he can't get along with others.

There's no doubt that they both had love for the scene, but I'm not sure what the political status quo was behind the scenes for why Destiny wasn't able to score more casting roles. He seemed to be a more niche personality on his own accord outside just sc2, as his streaming history for the last 6 years has shown. I personally don't think he was the calibur to get on stage and live up to the Apollo/Kaelaris/Redeye professionalism or rotti/incontrol/le Tod 'personality type cast.'

It's completely fine that Destiny occupies his streaming niche. He's done well for himself and I can respect that.

[–]StarTalebduddy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idra was a whole lot less toxic than Destiny until the very end, and basically always kept it professional while he was at a tournament.

[–]Wasted_Comment 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watching your live stream. Call Destiny! I think you guys should still be best friend. #dafeels. #whichoverloarddafeelsin :'(

[–]ProtossKy1arStern 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really sure what spawned this video or what the point was, but I smiled when he mentioned DAS keyboards.

I bought a DAS MX cherry blue keyboard because I listened to 12 million of destiny's larva inject cycles and was like, "I need this".

[–]Kouda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I still have mine with brown switches 3~ years later. Love this keyboard to death and if it ever dies I'm just going to get another. DAS needs to send Destiny a thank you card

[–]ZergNeoDestiny 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (7子コメント)

holy shit why is this posted here it has nothing to do with anything plz

[–]Wasted_Comment [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Please call CatZ.. #DaFeels... I feel like you have a wrong idea about CatZ intention here... it's pretty heart breaking to see you guys like this... :(

[–]ZergCyanEsports 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I posted this comment to /r/destiny but I'm gonna copy paste it here. You guys might already know my story a little bit though so sorry if there's unnecessary context.

I find this video REALLY interesting. I'm currently trying to work my way up in esports, largely SC2 (ok almost entirely SC2).

Actually I owe my 'big break' to Catz. I posted something to screddit that people liked, it hit the front page, Catz commented to say 'I like this thing you did, you should do some things for Root'. When Root's website relaunched, I did some editorial style VLOGs for them and that really started to snowball my visibility in the community.

I don't do them so much anymore, but I feel like I owe Root for helping to give validity to my name.

For a bit of context, the MLG gameon.gg tournie was online tournament in January of 2014. The gameon.gg site is still up actually. The LAN MLG that Destiny thought he'd be casting with Catz would ahve been Anaheim. The casting lineup was Day9, Rotterdam, ToD, Catz, Nathanias, and Axeltoss (pretty sure Axeltoss was host but I can't remember, maybe he casted a few games).

When it comes to Destiny not having cast a major tournie, idk that's a tricky one. Blizzard considered iNcontrol to be too risky for Blizzcon circa 2014 (iirc). iNcontroL had a TON of professional level casting under his belt at that point but still, he had some weird stigma attatched to him by the Blizzcon organizers. So I wouldn't be shocked if there was nothing that could be said to TOs about Destiny, who had less casting experience and was a much edgier personality, that would make them believe he was able to be a professional caster. I obviously have no idea what went on behind closed doors, that's just what I thought about when he mentioned that.

I can say with authority though, the current SC2 scene feels pretty different from what Destiny talked about. I guess I can't really speak to it in the same fashion as Destiny, I'm not a high profile personality or anything, but it feels like personalities in the scene are very willing to help as much as they can.

I interview a lot of people, and its a decently time consuming thing. At least two hours start to finish for a video interview. I haven't really had an issue getting in touch with anyone though, and I've found that I'm met with 'yes' more often than not.

Some people are also VERY willing to simply talk and give advice and theorycraft about how we can be doing the esports content thing better. I can confidently say that I've become friends with some of the people who I've interviewed or reached out to for advice. I think I can at least, I'm not really experienced with making friends online.

I don't claim to be in any sort of similar situation to Destiny, and realistically the point of the video wasn't even to talk about SC2 specifically. More about personal interactions. I'm deeply attached to the SC2 scene though and I've had (brief, non-financial) dealings with some of the people mentioned so idk I just thought I'd put my thoughts out there.

[–]Iamjuistice 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont think scene is comparable now and few years ago. And the thing is that most personalities acted like some sort of oldboys club when sc2 was bigger, and if you were a bit edgier like destiny per se, you just couldnt get in, at first it was just a hunch by following scene obssesivly, but now that scene is smaler and people have nothing to lose more and more stuff like this get out.

[–]TheGraeme95 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is it 100%. You can talk about how easy it is to get hold of people for interviews and content nowadays because people really are desperate for good Starcraft 2 content. But back in the day, you had exactly what was described as the "old boys club" which were definitely not as willing to help others, especially not up and coming content creators.

[–]TooMuchBroccoli 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hey man. I read this post twice, but I still don't understand what your point is :)

[–]ZergCyanEsports 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not trying to make a specific point, there are a few thoughts in there and my personal experiences though. Sorry you didn't get it ^^

[–]ming212209 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn those chat logs are pretty brutal.

[–]Old GenerationsKluey 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The Das Keyboard thing is so true lol... I bought my first mechanical keyboard because of his stream. Tons of people did the same. Das owes soooo much of their success to him imo. Also, I wonder how much of a hand that had in mechanical keyboards getting big in gaming in general.

[–]jadedshock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I still have my Das from five years ago that I bought because I heard about it on Destiny's stream, ngl.

[–]SK Telecom T1Ecdubs123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dont forget the 598s

[–]ZergAicy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, I'm typing on my das now only because of Destiny. Same with my other friends who have das keyboards.

The fact that catz screwed destiny over that is :/

[–]ROOT GamingRevengeToaster 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Destiny got destroyed in this debate

[–]VerdantSC2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd argue that the reason Destiny never got the help he needed/wanted is that he was openly critical of blizzard and the community. You're pretty much on your own around here as this community is made up of 100% fanboys that will attack any and all criticism, and go so far as censoring you if you even remotely question our blizztard overlords.

[–]AxiomSabrick [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So this whole video needs context and has to be read between the lines...

It sounds as though ROOTCatZ (or someone at ROOT) has recently contacted Destiny in hopes of collaborating in some way. If so, it's almost certainly because Destiny is starting to blow up right now (YouTube channel explode, JonTron debate going viral, ect) and is starting to show up on their RADAR again; they likely feel this is a potentially critical "last opportunity" to reignite their estranged relationship before Destiny blows up any further.

So I can only imagine this to be (despite the opening monolog 2:27) a public bridge burning? I can only speculate as to why... I mean, I hope I'm not misinterpreting things, but showing chat convo's (especially ones that specially contain requests for it to not be leaked publically) is a pretty directed and pernicious thing to do. Granted, the messages are ~3 year old and the relevant parties are likely disinterested from these events now.

Could this just be an emotional response? If so, great content! Seriously, I haven't enjoyed good eSports drama since SOTG-days; keep that shit up. You'll bring some life back to r/starcraft/ at anyrate, and Christ knows she needs it.

Oh, and that shit you saw about DAS Keyboard @ 28:21 is truth. I'm typing this on a busted as Das Keyboard I bought years ago because of the clicks I heard on your stream.

[–]TerranToastaga 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what a legend, I love this guy

[–]mulletarian [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

BREAKING NEWS

Guy who goes out of his way to act like an unfiltered funnel for what he read on 4chan this morning doesn't seem to do well in a professional environment.

More news at 11.

[–]Randomrif_king 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just chiming in to add some thoughts for discussion, and want to be clear I am in no way trying to get anything from Destiny, he does not owe me anything, etc etc.

It was interesting listening to the talk, I've actually been in his shoes a few times (Casting a whole season of Copa America only to not be involved with the live final event at all) so I'm extra sympathetic to a lot of his points he brings up.

But this idea of nobody helping him has me thinking back to our interactions. For example, regarding the planning process of destiny I & him discussing it on stream: whenever he needed help contacting a player, or getting certain folks/information I had access to I would either tweet or skype him trying to provide what he needed (Sometimes I was useful, sometimes I couldn't help but think he just saw me as being a nuisance). We also offered to assist with casting if needed, would often /host his stream (and I'd get a bit of flack from our mods/viewers about it, but fuck it I liked watching destiny and It's my channel so I'll host who I want) etc. I could go on with a list of things but I wanted to bring up a few examples to point out there are folks out there who don't ask for anything in return, but just want to help, but maybe just fall out of his mind or don't register as important? I'm just wondering how many of these other "missed connections" are perhaps not included in his version of history.

[–]mtm__ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you missed the point pretty hard, or I did. Tell me if you disagree, but I got the impression that destiny was saying nobody was there to help him if it meant costing something for them. And all the times he helped someone out, even if it was mutually beneficial, he feels like he was helping the other party much more than they were helping him. The example he gave was him joining root. Even in your case, I'm assuming you being associated with destiny did a lot more for you than him, and this is why he feels the way he does.

[–]Randomrif_king -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not wrong, but I think you're missing my point. There's an overall theme in the video of not getting help from anyone (such as the amazement that hafu would help him out etc). What I'm wondering is if there's more instances of things are drowned out not because of their objective usefullness, but their relative usefulless to him.

example:

  • 1 - Destiny is given $100 to help out his stream. That's a lot of money and anyone would be happy to get this.

vs

  • 2 - Destiny is given $100 to help out his stream, but immediately after he's given $1,000, then charge backed $400 by someone else, and given another $2,000. The original $100 probably isn't even remembered by this point.

[–]ZeNEXdagla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

most viewed sc2 video on youtube this year, ded gajjumaam

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[–]smb275 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone ELI5 this, for me? I'm not sure I understand what the point of this even is....

[–]Zergjaekim -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Destiny always catered to the lowest common denominator, he didn't care about being "professional". That he got his popularity this way probably complicated things with team sponsors, and brought about resentment from other sc2 personalities.

[–]quedicestu [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wait, does Destiny have some sort of disability? I never noticed but his shoulder-width makes him look like he's very, very tiny (or even wheelchair bound).

[–]Randomnerdzrool -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Destiny did not create the trend for mechanical keyboards... That is, unless there is a better way to actually search for Destiny on Google trends and not end up getting spikes related to the game of the same name, that suggests otherwise. Though, yes, Destiny more or less did create Das Keyboards specifically. I probably would have never known about them were it not for Destiny.

Also... Day9 might have had more influence? Might have? Sorry, but You were not remotely close. You were an important figure, sure, but Day9 by almost all measures has been the predominate single figure of the foreign Starcraft community. You were much more comparable to figures like Artosis, Incontrol, Idra, etc. But none of these figures had the online presence that Day9 did through the Dailies, Funday Monday/Newbie Tuesday/etc. And even then, just because you appear in google trends doesn't mean influence (some of those people hated you. It is safe to say people like Artosis and Day[9] have less people who just simply hate them causing their larger google results).

Furthermore, I should point out, just because you had extremely good viewer-hours does not necessarily mean you had more influence. It means the 3000 or so people that watched you would watch you consistently and during your entire stream. This meant you were an excellent streamer, which isn't necessarily the same as "having influence". What happens once a sponsor has sold products to those 3000 people who constantly watch you? What happens once the sponsor has already sold products to those 3000 people and you decide to call someone a "gook" and tell them to kill themselves on stream (one of many examples)? You probably had a good attach rate for products (loyal fans) but you're also way too high risk to have as a long term partner because, frankly, you tended to do crazy shit that wasn't worth long term professional relationships. Once those people have bought the product, there's really no reason to continue the risk.

In fact, I think that acts as a good way to explain your inability to hold long term professional relationships in terms you understand. Someone like Idra would stream for a week and pull in an insane number of viewers during that week. Yet because it was unreliable, (he rarely streamed) people gravitated towards a constant content developers (You, Day9 Dailies, etc.). This constant and reliable content is a measure that you have cited as one of the definitions for success. Yet, at the same time, you would would create beneficial relationships on a short term with people or organizations, because you have a constant and highly loyal fanbase, but were unreliable (call people "gooks" on ladder, tell them to kill themselves, create "out them" videos such as this one, etc.) in the long term, so they ultimately gravitated towards constant professionals of the community (Again, someone like Day9, or Incontrol, Tastosis, Liquid, etc) because they are unlikely to be unreliable in this regard. You can't focus on just one of these things. You need to create constant content and have a constant level of professionalism. You do very good at one, and may be somewhere between bad and terrible at the other.

[–]mtm__ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This seems largely irrelevant to the point of the video, which was that destiny is hesitant to associate with past friends from the sc2 community because they only seemed to be by his side as long as it was profitable to do so, but as soon as he became difficult by involving himself in a drama for example, they immediately distanced themselves with little hesitation. Of course, I don't know if this is true, but this was the only point of the video.

[–]Grimleawesome 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, and the part about "influence" was mostly about how actively he interacted with the community and in how many ways he did so. He never talks about who reached out to the most people, more about how consistantly he was streaming and making posts on the forums.

[–]Randomnerdzrool 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My point, other than correcting inaccuracies, is that there is a reason these people left him. He is lamenting poor professional relationships when he himself never acts professionally. Personally, I think the idea that he joined teams like Quantic out of the goodness of his heart, and he didn't have some mutual professional benefit is bullshit. I didn't want to actually dig through all of the evidence of that being bull, so yeah, I picked some of the lower hanging fruit. But, just as a trivial example, Destiny directly benefited from his professional relationship with Quantic through access to training partners (Theognis is one that I remember). Destiny was also able to go to Korea with Naniwa as part of a deal Quantic Gaming arranged.

In fact, the "calling a person a gook on ladder, then telling him to kill himself" is what he did while wearing Quantic insignia, and was the reason he was forced to part ways with them. This was his response to the entire controversy.

It's fine if you want to be known as an edgy person in the community. All communities need (maybe not need, but have) one or two, I suppose... But I find lamenting about how nobody had a real, professional relationship with you when you never actually bothered to act professionally to begin with is pretty strange.

[–]Team GrubbyKharnalos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Since you have to add "Starcraft" before Destiny due to it being a word it skews the google trends a lot. If you add "Starcraft" before Day9 and Sean Plott the results drop significantly because you are narrowing down your search.

[–]Paxconsciente [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We're not koreans. pop culture doesn't effect people as much as you autists and weebos think, at least not here in the west.

I bought a mechanical keyboard because they are the best, and they look good, not because I saw my nerdy hero inject hatcheries with them, nobody started the "trend"