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[–]Brodusgus 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Couldn't facial recognition technology be used to verify this?

[–]DoesNotTalkMuch 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Not from this. A highly detailed image may be able to distinguish the lines of their iris.

Otherwise, people change as they age, and even if they didn't nearly everybody has a few dopplegangers you could mistake in still shots. Blemishes and distinguishing marks could easily be removed or added.

You'll notice that none of the people really look identical in this video. It could be made up, or it could be the result of aging. Either way, that leaves the door open for thousands of people to be presented as possible challenger survivors.

The patterns of their blood vessels are the only things that you could really distinguish that couldn't be changed.

[–]Brodusgus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well thought out response that was worthy.

[–]zenmasterzen3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Either way, that leaves the door open for thousands of people to be presented as possible challenger survivors.

And yet they only present a few who have often same name and work in same field. Highly suspicious.

[–]DoesNotTalkMuch 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Which, if they were actually the same people, means that they perpetuated a nationwide hoax broadcast in nearly every classroom in the US, that would have cost countless millions of dollars, and then kept their names, and went back to their day-jobs afterwards. Without plastic surgery.

I mean, I'm open minded, but personally think the coincidence is more likely.

[–]zenmasterzen3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not exact day jobs, but similar industry.

Remember this was before the internet. Imagine trying to expose this during the 90s or whatever ...

[–]DoesNotTalkMuch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

COINTELPRO and Project Mockingbird were exposed during the 70's. Talk radio had people calling in with crazy shit all the time.

Do you have any idea how often they used to air documentaries about this during the 90's? Obviously you don't, but it was all the time. This was huge and everybody knew about it.

[–]zenmasterzen3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Internet made it easy to google a name and pull up a picture. How would this have been done before the internet? Visiting one by one everyone in America with the same name? Who has the money for that?

[–]DoesNotTalkMuch [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Assuming they're perfect actors.

Everybody near these people has probably noticed the coincidence. If they don't have long histories then it upgrades to a suspicious coincidence. If they act suspicious then it turns into gossip.

Now that there's internet, anybody can see their faces and they get maximum suspicion automatically. Sure we're more likely to see them, but there's no filter on this to distinguish it from nonsense like there was before the internet. Ideas still spread.`

[–]zenmasterzen3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They probably told their family: there was a reschedule ... the media got it wrong ... but we can't tell the truth or people won't trust NASA and the media again. One father of the alleged dead astronaut moved to live closer with the doppleganger of the same name. "Pure coincidence"

Now that there's internet, anybody can see their faces and they get maximum suspicion automatically.

Except not. Most people believe the whores at snopes who "debunked" this.

[–]CitationDependent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The two sets of twins is suspicious, but difficult to research.

I checked Micheal Smith and couldn't get much on the Wisconsin professor. His page on his uni's website is brief and not too many details. He worked for the government and you get a few minor references in that direction.

Judith Resnik is a lot easier. Her bio tells you where she was and what she was doing in 1986. If you search her and the place she was teaching at the time, you get this video:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?10178-1/bork-nomination-day-9-part-5

It seems likely that this one is not the right person. Not saying the NASA one isn't alive, just saying doesn't seem like her.

[–]DrHenryPym 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm still amazed how many "twins" died on that shuttle.

[–]Cloughtower 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Roughly 1 out of 25 groups of 7 people will have 2 sets of twins.

[–]DrHenryPym [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

4% chance? That seems kinda high.

[–]CaLLmeRaaandy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know, I know quite a few sets of twins, including my dad and his identical twin brother.

[–]Aye_or_Nay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That works out to about 4% as likely than about 34% of the Tuesdays that have a 1/4 moon equal or greater... that is; waxing. (not waning and not accounting for variations in the leap years due to the slowing global rotation because of to that damn in China)

Or is my math fuzzy....?

[–]zenmasterzen3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe they were flying to Pandora ...

[–]Sweatingbullets0 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, otherwise you nut jobs would have already figured out that they don't add up.

[–]ddrroowwnniinnggoat 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (23子コメント)

This is retarded. If you really believe that no one has been to space you're an idiot.

Keeping the thousands of employees quiet that have worked for nasa and other space agencies would be impossible.

And the flat earth theory shit is beyond retarded.

[–]dlandis13[🍰] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Found the NASA shill /s

[–]RPmatrix 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Keeping the thousands of employees quiet that have worked for nasa and other space agencies would be impossible.

The Manhattan Project employed over 120,000 Americans.

Secrecy was paramount.

Neither the Germans nor the Japanese could learn of the project. Roosevelt and Churchill also agreed that the Stalin would be kept in the dark.

Consequently, there was no public awareness or debate.

Keeping 120,000 people quiet would be impossible; therefore only a small privileged cadre of inner scientists and officials knew about the atomic bomb's development.

In fact, Vice-President Truman had never heard of the Manhattan Project until he became President Truman.

LEARN something

http://www.ushistory.org/us/51f.asp

[–]Aye_or_Nay [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yes, compartmentalization.

[–]slyburgaler [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Your own article contradicts yourself. They said 120,000 people would never be able to keep a secret so only a small handful knew the true purpose lol

[–]RPmatrix [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Your reading commprehension fails you ... badly

It said "120,000 people were involved in the MP

The 'secret' never got out

BTW how many people do you know who would sign a Non Disclosure agreement (that has Major penalties for breaking) and then go back on it?

[–]slyburgaler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know people who would do it. And again, you can't read apparently. It employed 120,000. Only a small percentage knew what they were being employed to do. Says it right there in your quotes bud

[–]dlandis13[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yea but that was then this is NOW! Those rules only apply during world wars, or when it's something that's good for America. Surely someone would have spilled the beans by now?!?! Snopes hit me up if you're hiring.

[–]RPmatrix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

or when it's something that's good for America

And Hillary or Don are "good for America" according to half the population

[–]rmwe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That secret lasted a couple years, in a war time environment in which the workforce was very prepared to keep secrets and not ask questions and all manner of secret projects were afoot. In contrast, NASA has been sending people to space for 50+ years while forstering an environment that encourages questions and information broadcast. Its a lot harder to get people to publish millions of fake images, videos and papers than it is to get people to not ask about the goals of a project.

[–]slyburgaler [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean you can also just read his article and it shows that they couldn't have 120,000 people quiet so they only let a core group of scientists know.

[–]swansong19 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed on flat earth…but as far as people keeping quiet…well there is plenty of historical evidence to show that it has and does happen.

Guys at Area 51 lied to their own families for years and years about where they worked and what they did.

It's amazing what appeals to safety and patriotism can achieve.

[–]Tugger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't understand how a selenelion eclipse is possible on a globe earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkjb4bbjpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIyw6xuEJxk&t=5s

[–]pburydoughgirl [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

How do you explain eclipses if the Earth is flat?

[–]Tugger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can't because I do not know. Just find it interesting that there are inconsistencies with current model.

[–]RoofiesaurusRex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Light refracts off the earths atmosphere and makes both objects appear higher in the sky than their actual geometric positions. Also these events are normally only viewable from high peaks and ridges.

[–]RPmatrix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

selenelion eclipse

http://www.newser.com/story/196877/impossible-selenelion-eclipse-happens-tomorrow.html

[–]Uniqueusername121 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Suppose they only thing you didn't tell people was that nobody was actually getting ON the craft?

Not to mention how most bureaucracies exist just to perpetuate themselves- depts that pay the bills, research on space, etc.

Whether or not we have been to space, if you look at these people, their faces and their names, it still doesn't make any sense why NASA would perpetuate the lie that they were killed.

[–]shasta0masta -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not impossible, highly unlikely. But not impossible.

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    [–]Kryptosis 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Love how his conclusion is "well nasa lied so obviously no one has ever been to space and the earth is flat". Uhhhhh, your forgetting some other things here... Lost all credibility to me when he talked about the guy having a twin brother as if it were an obvious lie. Does he have a way to prove the man didn't have a brother?

    Zero basic fact checking into the background of the people he claims are the crew. At the time that Francis Richard Scobee, the former Air Force pilot, was training with NASA as an astronaut and serving as an instructor pilot for the shuttle’s 747 carrier aircraft, Richard Scobee, the current CEO of Cows in Trees, was serving as CEO and President of The Marketing Edge, Inc. in Chicago. The same man couldn’t have been holding down two such disparate jobs, in two widely separated geographic locations, at the same time.

    Did Flattards learn to use bots? I thought this was a place for skeptics not the gullible.

    [–]zenmasterzen3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Love how his conclusion is "well nasa lied so obviously no one has ever been to space and the earth is flat".

    Shit and candy sandwich. They mix the legitimate info about a psyop involving fake deaths with the BS info on flat earth so that people dismiss both.

    [–]sipofsoma 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought this was a place for skeptics not the gullible.

    It used to be. We've always had a bunch of crazy/gullible people around here, but it's gotten exponentially worse over the last year.

    [–]UltraLisp 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    I saw this vid a while back, and I buy it. It's just more trauma for your sensitive soul. This could have been planned since the birth of NASA for all we know. On a related note, Dave Chappelle mentions how they wheeled in a TV for the kids to watch in school, and jokes about how horrible it was. At my school they brought us into the forum and played the 9/11 news, on the big screen, for all the students to watch in real time. I suspect some trauma is part of the curriculum.

    [–]mr_worry 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Mass trauma-based mind control. The news does it every single night. Every now and the got to do a big one, just to hammer it home. The really strange thing to me is that it also seems that we like it.

    [–]Spanner_Magnet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    something about the implicit safety you feel while at the same time watching people die on tv. That's got to fuck with the human mind in ways we can't imagine. Historically the only people who would feel what we feel is a victorious general watching his army butcher the enemy from a top the hill. Makes me wonder whether we begin to enjoy "happenings", addicted to the feeling of victory/safety.

    Reminds me of people talking about the war on Iraq shortly after it began and the way they talked about the shock and awe strategy they saw from the tv playing CNN.

    [–]dhv1258 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    They wheeled in the TV because of Sally Ride. All of us got to watch her die. I was in second grade.

    And FYI, there was no spin.. It was a tragedy. Lots of kids got to see some of the best humans on the planet burn to death. And that was it. No spin. No nancy grace and fox news. Just national mourning. This was before the internet, and before being bold and stupid was considered edgy.

    It's easy to say all sorts of stupid things when there's no penalty for being wrong.

    [–]RPmatrix -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's easy to say all sorts of stupid things when there's no penalty for being wrong.

    and what 'penalty' should be given to those who are Ignorant?

    Talk about being against free speech!

    [–]Novusod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The space shuttle may have been designed to raise people's hopes and then crash them back to Earth. In the early 80s the space shuttle was advertised as the future of space travel and that routine commercial flights to space were just around the corner. Then the Challenger accident happened all those hopes were dashed. A few decades later and people can scarcely believe man ever walked on the moon. Our horizons have been greatly diminished.

    [–]PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I guess I went to a good school then. The teachers were whispering and there was an announcement towards the end of the day about a tragedy that happened and to talk to your parents about it when we got home.

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      [–]RemixxMG 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I like this conspiracy, as it is a new one to me. It's plausible and interesting. But I don't like the intertwined flat earth and "never been to space" nonsense. As soon as he said "globe earthers" I closed the video.

      You'd have to believe in an nearly infinite web of conspiracies to believe in flat earth...and a lot of them are silly For example: are all planets just giant floating rectangles? Or is it just earth? Do you not believe other planets even exist?

      You would basically have to believe that every single thing we think we know is either an extraordinary lie or an obfuscation by design to cover the fact that the entire infrastructure of our reality on earth and the universe beyond is not as we've been told. And I recognize my hypocrisy in that the main reasons I believe in larger conspiracies are because of the ones that are already confirmed facts.. I know not everything in this plane is as it seems but it really just seems absurd to me. I see a lot of theory on these matters but no 100% irrefutable evidence of the earth being flat or having never been to space. (I do agree about the challenger here as the pictures seem legit, i'm just ranting.)

      [–]swansong19 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's the purpose of the flat earth conspiracy…to muddy any and all other conspiracies…including any concerned with NASA.

      [–]whyaskwhy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Long time lurker here.

      I too was at one of those schools that wheeled out the TV cart to show the incident. Further, we lived close enough to Cape Canaveral to see the smoke trails from the explosion linger in the sky for hours. So the Challenger event strikes close to home for me.

      Maybe that's why I find this particular conspiracy so interesting.

      In any event, I found two interesting links that focus just on this Challenger conspiracy (minus the flat earth stuff). They have a more detailed breakdown on the case for each 'twin':

      http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/05/02/are-the-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-still-alive/

      And an old forum debate on the topic (gets interesting half way down): http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=935&p=2395059#p2395059

      [–]Lord_Augastus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Are we being attacked by shills and retards again?

      I enjoy reading and seeking posts that shine light on lies and deception of the ruling elite and media. This is just another speculative pseudo scientific wtf, only a few of the images are even similar looking. This idea doesnt pass the shit test.

      Just the amount of money for one rocket...why would anyone blow it up on purpose?

      [–]PoorlyDrawnDuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Jesus thank you! Someone with a fucking brain in this sub.

      [–]Enkimaybe 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Apparently Nasa in hebrew means to deceive...so yeah. Apparently there is Nasa and Nasha, yet both apparently have the H sound, one meaning to deceive the other meaning to lift up.

      Strange all around...I don't think that everthing NASA does is a hoax or CGI or anything, but there are just so many things that don't sit right with me throughout NASA's history that I tend to question everything.

      [–]zenmasterzen3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just because they got so many nazi scientists working for them doesn't mean they're dodgy ...

      [–]Rusty_Revolver 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (34子コメント)

      If you actually pay attention to the photos you can see clear differences in the shape structure of the people that they are claiming are the aged crew.

      These people have a remarkable resemblance but I'm not 100% sold that they are the same people.

      For example the African American crew member has no gap in between his two front teeth but in the age photo he does have a notable gap. Why would he give himself a gap when he is older? If he had the gap when younger and then corrected it would be different.

      I'm not gonna go into everyone of them but if you analyze the pictures you will spot differences.

      Just my 2 cents

      [–]basketball_stoner 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      For example the African American crew member has no gap in between his two front teeth but in the age photo he does have a notable gap. Why would he give himself a gap when he is older? If he had the gap when younger and then corrected it would be different

      Gaps can develop over time. I've seen it plenty of times. Teeth can move in small increments.

      [–]DoesNotTalkMuch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Maybe, but you're still leaving the door open for thousands of people to be presented as possible challenger survivors due to their resemblance.

      [–]zenmasterzen3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      And yet they only present people with the same names and work in similar fields. Definitely given new identities in a lazy way (maybe they didn't want to inconvenience themselves). I guess this was before the internet.

      [–]DoesNotTalkMuch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Ha. Kids. FYI one of the people on that shuttle was a teacher- as a PR thing they set it up during school hours and almost every student in the country was watching it live from their classrooms.

      There is nowhere they would have been able to go without anybody recognizing their names or faces.

      Very few people I'm sure would assume it was a hoax, but nobody would have missed the resemblance.

      [–]zenmasterzen3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      There is nowhere they would have been able to go without anybody recognizing their names or faces.

      Except that many can just say "it was my twin bro" and others can say "pure coincidence". Maybe they took a few years off and hung out at resorts until the FBI stopped cutting them checks.

      [–]DoesNotTalkMuch 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, maybe the FBI only paid them enough for a vacation and figured it'd be fine if they just let everybody live with the same name and face and put them back to work in the same industry.

      Probably to offset paychecks NASA has to pay to people criticizing youtube videos they chose not to take down.

      [–]zenmasterzen3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Probably to offset paychecks NASA has to pay to people criticizing youtube videos they chose not to take down.

      Maybe they take down the ones that don't mention flat earth BS.

      [–]Implicit_Brag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Nothing is "secret".

      The only thing that matters is will people believe it. If the vast majority is already programmed to totally discredit things like this on sight, based solely on the fact that they can't believe in such a conspiracy and it makes them annoyed to even entertain the notion.... Then you can do anything you want in plain sight

      [–]sometimesineedhelp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      If the vast majority is already programmed to totally discredit things like this on sight, based solely on the fact that they can't believe in such a conspiracy and it makes them annoyed to even entertain the notion....

      No kidding. My partner worked on the shuttle program (before it was recently-ish cancelled in the last decade) - he's totally open to my conspiracy hobby, and has even come around to being convinced of a few, but I just shared this one and it's like a crazy mental block came up that I've rarely seen in him. He's an open minded critical thinker, so we'll be talking about it again, but wow...

      These are childhood heroes, people that helped spark a life long love for the potential of human space exploration and in turn shaped his educational​ and career choices. Being a rocket scientist is a big aspect of who he is. How do you reconcile that with this? Like catching your dad who you idolize cheating on your mom... "No, this can't be him, I'm just misreading this situation"

      [–]wafcake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      why would their names be the same?

      [–]zenmasterzen3 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      For example the African American crew member has no gap in between his two front teeth but in the age photo he does have a notable gap.

      Dentist could create that with braces. Or they just photoshopped it.

      [–]joshualeet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Are you suggesting that someone would get braces to create a gap?

      [–]zenmasterzen3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Yes, especially if the FBI or whatever gave them a fuckton of money to do so.

      [–]Kabukikitsune 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Teeth don't really work that way. In order to create a gap, they'd have to remove multiple teeth. Same thing happens when you get braces. They have to pull some teeth to give room for teeth to move.

      [–]zenmasterzen3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In order to create a gap, they'd have to remove multiple teeth

      No.

      1. Appearance of new ‘gaps’ between teeth

      If the cavities in between the back teeth are large, over time, the teeth can shift leading to appearance of gaps between the front teeth.

      [–]chickenshitmchammers 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Oh, you know they gon try to bury this one! I upvoted, btw.

      [–]CurtisDougan 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      When I upvote and the numbers don't change.... Fuck you Reddit

      [–]Westermin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think there is an freeze on the showing votes for about an hour if I remember right

      [–]zenmasterzen3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      But the whores at snopes debunked this!

      [–]SemiPureConduit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Why is this Bullshit lie being promoted so heavily here? 280 upvotes? The fuck?

      [–]Prgjdsaewweoidsm 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (21子コメント)

      Why did they blow up an empty space shuttle then? There's a complete video of the launch and explosion.

      [–]PoorlyDrawnDuck 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It wasn't empty, body parts landed in the surrounding neighborhoods. I remember talking to a friend who's grandma found parts of an arm in her from yard.

      [–]Prgjdsaewweoidsm 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It wasn't empty, body parts landed in the surrounding neighborhoods.

      I mean, yeah, I agree. I was just curious what OP's theory was.

      [–]zenmasterzen3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dead bodies crashed for mh17. The East Ukrainians claim they were already decomposing when they landed, and drained of blood.

      Have you seen the Dark Knight Rises?

      [–]mangazos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It must be true then! You heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend's grandma?

      [–]not---a---bot 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      NASA really wasn't fond of the shuttle program. From a technical standpoint, it was a huge leap backwards in the manned space program. It could barely get into low Earth orbit and was significantly more expensive to launch than disposable rockets, both manned and unmanned.

      NASA was essentially shackled into running the shuttle program. The Department of Defense wanted an over-engineered space plane for reasons that weren't beneficial to furthering manned space flight. NASA had to deliver this because if they refused, the project would have gone to the eager US airforce and NASA's funding would take a significant cut.

      Essentially the shuttle program was the DOD going to NASA "the airforce wants this, do it or lose your funding." It lead to ridiculous things like NASA being forced to launch satellites through the shuttle even though a regular rockets would have been cheaper and more effective.

      Blowing up the shuttle could have been NASA objecting to the direction the manned space program was heading with the shuttle. The shuttle had significant flaws that NASA wasn't happy with. It should be noted that every recorded American spaceflight fatality was on the space shuttle. All other American fatalities came from testflights.

      Faking the Challenger death is trivial, though hiding the astronauts could be complicated. The shuttle was fully automated. Sending it up unmanned is not a problem.

      While I can't currently theorize the current situation at NASA, I do know that the US airforce is in possession of a classified unmanned space shuttle

      [–]Prgjdsaewweoidsm 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wouldn't be the first time NASA failed to do things that make sense.

      They could take their annual budget and build an alternative spacelaunch system like this a Launch Loop and go from $2000/kg to space to like $3/kg.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

      http://slides.launchloop.com//launchloop.pdf

      And for a little bit more, we can build a space elevator to low earth orbit, based on a design by Nikola Tesla:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_ring

      That would open up incredible opportunities, like asteroid mining (hundreds of trillions of dollars of rare earth materials), and make space-based solar power much cheaper than coal. The projects would pay for themselves in a few years, and then start throwing off potentially trillions per year in free cash flow.

      [–]DrHenryPym -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Psychological warfare.

      [–]Prgjdsaewweoidsm 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      On what?

      [–]Arnold_Swatanigga 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If I can give my two cents, MkUltra and other brainwashing generally works best after traumatic events. The slow brainwashing of society happened after both this event and 9/11, both of those events broadcasted everywhere and constantly.

      [–]DrHenryPym -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      NASA is a front to the military-industrial complex. They're always conditioning everyone with death, war, and propaganda; -- they're literally Nazis.

      [–]SocraticMethHead 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      That disaster set back NASA immensely. You're saying they intentionally handicapped themselves to remind people death was a thing? Surely there wasn't anything else in the early 80's that could do that.

      [–]DrHenryPym 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Right, because that disaster handicapped the military-industrial complex...

      [–]SocraticMethHead 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      It handicapped NASA, yes. That is why it doesn't make sense.

      [–]DrHenryPym 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I guess if you completely remove them from the military-industrial complex like you're doing then it'll look like it's acting against its own interests.

      [–]Cloughtower 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I would remove NASA completely from the military industrial complex, yes.

      "President Dwight D. Eisenhower established NASA in 1958 with a distinctly civilian (rather than military) orientation encouraging peaceful applications in space science."

      This was also around the time all the nuclear testing and space warfare bans were coming about, so it wouldn't make sense for a military organization in space.

      Reagan had to form a separate entity called the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization that was under the DoD not NASA to look at military defense in space.

      [–]DrHenryPym [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, that guy did a lot of stuff with Nazis. Then he warned us about them when he left.

      Also, who cares what agreements the Nazis make about militarization? They're liars.

      When did Regan officially make space military a priority? Before or after Columbia?

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        [–]Prgjdsaewweoidsm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        NASA is a front to the military-industrial complex.

        Yeah, since the 1970s they've kind of gone to hell. They could take their annual budget and build an alternative spacelaunch system like a Launch Loop and go from $2000/kg to space to like $3/kg.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

        http://slides.launchloop.com//launchloop.pdf

        And for a little bit more, we can build a space elevator to low earth orbit, based on a design by Nikola Tesla:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_ring

        That would open up incredible opportunities, like asteroid mining (hundreds of trillions of dollars of rare earth materials), and make space-based solar power much cheaper than coal. The projects would pay for themselves in a few years, and then start throwing off potentially trillions per year in free cash flow.

        [–]mula_talks -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ritual sacrifice

        [–]jonm111 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        holy shit they look the same.

        [–]PopeGreyling 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Great post

        [–]munchmills 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You lost me at "flatearth"...

        [–]filmfiend999 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Wrong subbreddit...

        /conspiratard

        [–]Hith_Ransir 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        An oldie but a goodie. Those photos don't lie, they are clearly the same people, some of whom didn't even change their names. WTF

        [–]Kryptosis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Or you could do research into the history of the dopplegangers to see that they existed before and alongside the crew members. or read the research here

        [–]DonnaGail 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I know all about this. I believe they are alive too. Although, I can't figure out why they staged this and lied to us about it???? What was the purpose???

        [–]PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm right there with you. I don't really believe in flat earth so I'm kind of wondering the purpose of it all.

        [–]mahamanu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (22子コメント)

        This is interesting. But the guy posting is a flattard

        [–]haveyouseenmymarble 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        using labels like that does nothing to further the pursuit of truth. The earth may not be flat, but it's no doubt weirder than we're told it is.

        If OP's conclusion is right that we have never gone to space, we have to wonder why that may be. A dome over a flat earth paradigm as the ancients described is pretty hard to believe, sure, there's too much reason to think the earth is just as round as the other planets, and as round as we perceive and can measure it to be. A lot of basic assumptions in science would have to falter for Flat Earth to begin to make sense, but it's not to be so blatantly disregarded.

        Tesla too seemed to have different notions of cosmology and he is often quoted by Flat Earth proponents for it. He speaks of the world as an infinite realm, but personally, I don't think he meant to claim the world is therefore flat. I rather think that he understood that everything is electromagnetically interconnected across the entire universe and across every scale; that his is the realm in which everything influences everything else, we the universe and the universe us. But judge for yourself:

        “Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electromagnetic levitation. Electromagnetic levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the firmament.” Nikola Tesla

        Still, my point is that there's a little truth in every information, even in Flat Earth theory. We just don't yet seem to have made a whole lot of sense of it all. Discussing things without labels and judgement would make this process simply more fun.

        [–]MassStockholmSyndrom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        r/thunderbolts

        [–]SpongeBobSquarePants 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        even in Flat Earth theory.

        Theories have supporting evidence. The word you are looking for is "wild ass guess completely unsupported by facts"

        [–]ZapRapTap 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electromagnetic levitation. Electromagnetic levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the firmament.” Nikola Tesla

        Source for the quote?

        [–]Spartan1117 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I just googled that quote and found a bunch of stuff debunking that tesla said that. Is that an actual quote from him?

        [–]DawnPendraig 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Wow that's fascinating thank you!

        [–]Chokaholic -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Wow, very interesting quote by Tesla there. I'd never heard that one before.

        [–]Spartan1117 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thats becuase he never said it lol

        [–]eschaton777 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        But the guy posting is a flattard

        How do I know for a fact that you have never even researched the subject for yourself? Still having religious faith in NASA to tell you your reality. Why even chime in if you have no knowledge on the subject?

        [–]Kryptosis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        Love how flattards always assume no one else has researched anything.

        [–]eschaton777 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        I'm not assuming I am saying it is a fact (and I don't claim to be psychic). Starting off using the term "flattard" is pretty telling that they have never researched the subject for themselves. If you thoroughly research the subject at a bare minimum you will admit that believe in the spinning globe earth theory requires a massive amount of faith in NASA (an organization that has been caught in a large number of lies in the past).

        I'll step out on a limb and say that you haven't researched the subject either, you are just chiming in on a subject you have no clue about, am I wrong? If I'm wrong what are your top proofs that you live on a 1000mph spinning ball without using NASA as a source? I'm sure you will go do a google search and give the same bs answers everyone else does that has never even thought about the subject.

        [–]Kryptosis 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I've flown around the fucking globe. I've seen it for myself. Anyone who has flown to above 30,000 ft has seen the curvature of the earth. Not to mention returning to my home after only flying east. This isn't a debate.

        People who are so sheltered in their minds and homes to realize that don't deserve any decency when they burden others with their baseless opinions constructed off a myriad of easily debunked youtube videos.

        Have you never seen the ISS travel overhead. I have thousands of times. Have you never been sailing and seen the masts of ships appear long before the hull? I sailed from Bermuda to east coast US competing in Tallships Racing.

        My knowledge comes from a physics degree and life experience. Not youtube conspiracy videos made by neets with disorders. You think NASA is the source of all science?

        You are called a Flattard because it takes serious mental deficiencies to believe the mind-bending bullshit you are spraying all over this thread. You can't even provide a shred of your own evidence. All you can do is claim that others haven't "researched" enough. If you think actual research takes place on the internet then, well, that wouldn't be a surprise at all.

        [–]eschaton777 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Anyone who has flown to above 30,000 ft has seen the curvature of the earth.

        Your whole comment is full of ignorance but this one sums it up. You are brainwashed plain and simple. You can not see a curve from an airplane. Even if we lived on a sphere you still wouldn't be able to see the curve because you do not have the 60 degree viewing angle that would even be necessary.

        I can even show you high altitude balloon footage (without a fisheye lens) that goes up to 110k ft and the horizon is completely flat and rises to eye level! (which would also not be possible on a sphere, you would have to look down to see the horizon as you ascended.)

        So your being able to see "a curve from 30k feet" out of a plane window made you lose all credibility and I won't even bother pointing out the rest of your ridiculous comments because they are just as bad.

        Go read the pilot forums most admit that the can not see any observable curve even from 40K+ up. I typed in 'earths curvature from airplane' and this was the first video that came up The horizon looks flat as can be to me, lol.

        [–]Kryptosis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Again i dont care what your youtube videos say. Editing videos is laughably easy. Ive seen it. And so have billions of other people. Have you really never flown before? You can even note the curvature of the earth from the top of many 4000ft mountains. You really sound like you've never been outside.

        [–]eschaton777 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ive seen it. And so have billions of other people.

        Lol! Now you claim billions have seen the curve from an airplane? wow. Did you survey them? Did you not see where I said that many pilots claim that they CAN NOT see any curvature at 40k+ miles high?

        Have you really never flown before?

        Many times and it is flat as can be (and at eye level). Did you not see the part where I said that there isn't even the 60 deg viewing angle out of an airplane window that is necessary to see the curvature of a 25k mile circumference sphere, even if we lived on one.

        You can even note the curvature of the earth from the top of many 4000ft mountains.

        Dude, you are really making yourself look like a fool if you are making the claim that earths curvature is observable at 4k ft, are you serious?

        [–]dlandis13[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Not a flat-earther, but honestly, I'm still waiting for people to get new points to back up their claims, I only ever see: boats over the horizon, look out a plane window, what else could planets/stars be?, shadows being different at same time of day, flying a certain direction, etc. It's pretty easy to come up with explanations to all of those questions if you assume the North Pole is the middle of the flat earth space. Honestly, I'm hoping some time soon someone can tell me the literal equations that wouldn't work in a flat earth theory. I'm inclined to believe it's round, but honestly, for something that's apparently a self-evident truth-- id think they would have more convincing evidence. Anyone knowledgeable that can end this once and for all for me? Please don't use a cliche explanation, only because those haven't gotten me to 100%, maybe an actual equation? I'm only saying this because I could find a somewhat logical explanation for the responses we always hear whenever this comes up.

        [–]eschaton777 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        but honestly, I'm still waiting for people to get new points to back up their claims, I only ever see: boats over the horizon, look out a plane window, what else could planets/stars be?, shadows being different at same time of day, flying a certain direction, etc.

        Exactly. You are on the right path for sure. I found out about this information about 3 years ago and I of course thought it sounded pretty crazy at first. Then you ask yourself "ok why do I believe in a 1000 mph spinning globe earth?". Then it gets pretty trippy when you realize that it basically boils down to faith in NASA images and a globe in the classroom since childhood.

        I thought I was going to easily prove a globe at first but then realized it should be MUCH easier to prove a spinning globe if we really lived on one. You then realize that the main "proofs" are ships going "over the horizon" (but with modern zoom cameras we can zoom the ships fully back into view proving they are just out of our optical view and not hidden by earths bulge.) and the other "proof" is a 2,300 year old experiment where a guy allegedly measured two shadows 500 miles apart at the same time. The problem with the Eratosthenes experiment is that he had ASSUME that the sun was millions of miles away to make it work on a sphere. If the sun was smaller and much closer (like it has been measured and shown to be) you would get the same results on a flat earth.

        Basically they reverse engineered the math to fit a theoretical globe model, that is why just because the math works doesn't mean it is reality (and why the math has been drastically altered since the Copernicus days ). Einstein even admitted that the math will work out correctly for a geocentric model just as it will for a heliocentric model.

        It's a huge subject and I've rambled enough, but I just wanted to comment that by questioning the globe and looking for proof instead of blindly trusting authority figures you are on the right path as far as truth goes.

        If you really just think about it your intuition will tell you that we are not spinning 1000mph while moving 67K mph around the sun, it's actually pretty laughable once you come to the realization. Take care.

        [–]dlandis13[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        I hate to say it but I have the same feeling-- it should be easier to prove to me without nasa pictures. I've looked out a plane window and it looks flat. I've looked at ships over the horizon with enhanced zoom and you can see that it's still there. It just makes you wonder-- is that really the best they got? I just want to see some actual equations without someone proclaiming "math wouldn't work anymore" OR "this is simple physics" OR whatever ad hominem attack saying how dumb the person is. Like the "I kept traveling east" thing is so logically beatable in my head. The north "pole" would be in the center and the outer edges would have an opposite magnetic pole on the whole edge, thus giving the impression that you're traveling around the globe when it's really more of a c-shape. I don't know physics, but I know economics well enough to know that "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it". If it's so self-evident they should have way more proof in my mind. Does Russia have any pictures of the globe? Haven't they been in outer space a million times? I believe the level of conspiracy needed to hide the fact the world is flat is insane, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to accept whatever answer I'm given. The whole space race by itself is enough to make you question everything about it. PM me if you have any links that you thought were particularly helpful to you. I'm a curious person, willing to entertain any idea.

        [–]Chokaholic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        I believe the level of conspiracy needed to hide the fact the world is flat is insane

        Only someone who has actually been in space and seen the earth with their own eyes knows forsure. The first person to get to the edge of space was a scientist by the name of Auguste Picard, who said something like "the earth looked like a flat disc with up turned edges." He went up in a balloon in 1946 I believe. Very interesting indeed.

        [–]Prgjdsaewweoidsm -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Oh... that explains everything. They're about 95%... people on the payroll.

        [–]Rusty_Revolver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The reason why two of them look so much alike is because they did have twin brothers! lol the other ones are pure coincidence.

        [–]EclecticallySound 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Has no one tried emailing the professors for comments ?

        [–]skyderper12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        lol half of those guys on that list are their siblings

        [–]HappyWolfx2x 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Correct me if I'm wrong but few months ago, I saw secureteam10 debunking this theory, that the crew did live on but turned out to be different people who looked like the crew.

        [–]stordoff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I feel like there's enough differences to say that there's a definite likeness, but that they aren't the same people.

        I also feel like step 1 in faking a death is a name change, which makes me even more sceptical of this theory.

        [–]ihbarddx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I worked at Martin Marietta at the time. (We made the shuttle tank in our Michoud, LA facility.) I remember watching the launch on a portable B&W TV at work. Everyone was so depressed, hardly anyone talked for three weeks - even after Morton Thiokol took the hit. So... if it was a hoax, no one shared it with us!

        Oh, and Judith Resnik of Yale has an academic background totally in Law. Judith Resnik of the Challenger had a Ph.D. in engineering from the University of Maryland. Her undergraduate degree was from CMU, where I later went to graduate school. FWIW, I can tell you that she isn't a member of the alumni association there.

        [–]Tugger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I have saved a couple of alleged NASA videos I've found on 4chan and uploaded. Some of them do look a bit suspicious.

        https://webmshare.com/8y3Xg Chris Hadfield in what seem like a harness. It make me wonder if this was filmed in space.

        https://webmshare.com/zWj1K Something that looks like a scuba tank in the hatch.

        https://webmshare.com/9no4D More astronauts in harness

        https://webmshare.com/GZrVE What is going on here? Look like that have used a lot of hairspray.

        https://webmshare.com/QYyw1 spacewalk with airbubbles.

        Something interesting to look up is selenlion eclipse. This explains it well

        [–]RPmatrix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Did anyone see that post on TIL about "why we use fingerprints for ID?"

        check this out!

        https://i.imgur.com/uRnTNVa.jpg

        [–]danknerd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Shuttles were used in the 2000s, Columbia re-entry disaster.

        [–]PoorlyDrawnDuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        It was also on local news... but are you seriously that retarded to think that they faked this? Imagine all of the people involved that would have to keep quiet. It would be impossible.

        And can you read? I said a friend's grandma, not a friend of a friend of a friend etc.

        [–]KrakensPaladins [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        How in the fuck did this get to the top? This shit is older then some of the users...

        [–]deaznutelanutz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        My dad had to do the diving salvage job on this and he said that one of the astronauts bodies got sucked into his helmet. They didn't release that to the public though

        [–]Rusty_Revolver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm not an expert or dentist but that classic "bugs bunny" gap is something you are born with or develop early in life not as you get older.

        [–]scaredshtlessintx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        interesting

        [–]TheHighBlatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        This should go on r/wtf very strange indeed. What's the agenda tho?

        [–]jdvw 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Shuttles sucked, doesn't hurt to blow one up. Also strike fear in the masses to further mind control

        [–]TheHighBlatman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        My thought was discourage further travel.

        [–]jdvw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        What exactly do you mean by that?

        [–]TheHighBlatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Well like show that its dangerous and shit. Idk not a full fledged thought.

        [–]jdvw 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Oh... I see where you're coming from. If it happened yesterday, I would believe that, but it happened awhile ago, and nothing really totally came out of it correlating to that, so I'd say probably not, by a very interesting thought.

        [–]TheHighBlatman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It is interesting isn't it. I don't know if I believe this but seeing it certainly is kinda like fucking with me. The lady looks similar and I think the twin thing is odd but other than that, idk.

        [–]Loose-ends 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't think that there's much of a question about NASA itself being something of a hoax and a cover-up for some other hugely expensive and highly secret operation that has to have far more to show for all the billions poured into it than all the goofy flotsam and jetsam NASA's put together with tin-foil, duct tape and rubber bands and shown to a gawking and gullible public over the years.

        If you were around in the '50's when the Van Allen Belts were first discovered and analyzed and the existence of extremely high speed micro-particles that could perforate pretty much anything in their path randomly whizzing around all over "out-there" became known, that pretty much put the kybosh on any manned space travel and raised some pretty serious questions about the success of any un-manned travel as well.

        About 250 miles up is about as far as we can safely go. Beyond that it isn't simply inhospitable it's certain death in very short order.

        From another perspective you could say we're children of this planet and there's more to the environment that nurtures and protects us than we know, let alone be able to create some miniaturized and artificial version of it in order to leave it and go elsewhere.

        This Earth's electromagnetic field is as vital to us as the air that we breathe and we wouldn't last much longer without it than we can without air, either. These aren't niggling little details that can be lightly passed over because it's more fun and imaginative to simply pretend that such insurmountable barriers don't actually exist at all, but somehow along the way that's exactly what's happened.

        We're actually on the biggest and best space-ship imaginable and already leisurely travelling at an unimaginable speed through the vastness of space. Heck of a tour, too, 13,000 years out and 13,000 years back before it repeats and plenty to see both ways. I just wish more people could start to see it that way and try to take as good care of it as it does of us.

        [–]Edogawa1983 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

        just a FYI

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/challenger.asp

        [–]thegraduate 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Linking to Snopes is like checking hillaryclinton.com for the facts.

        [–]PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Snopes?

        [–]MahSelectah 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Snopes is not a reliable source for info on anything.

        [–]throwaway__rnd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Did you just link to Snopes? BAHAHAHA...... what the hell are you doing in this sub? I'm not saying that this theory is correct, not even close. But say that ANYTHING isn't correct, because Snopes said it wasn't, is ridiculous, and shouldn't be brought to this sub.

        [–]SaturnRingMaker 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Snopes angle is completely wrong. They're telling it like these people were living double lives, which isn't what would have happened. They were never astronauts, they were/are just in the pay of, or indebted to, the powers that be, and were used for the event.

        [–]Rusty_Revolver 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Thank you for posting this. I noticed the differences right away. People need to be critical thinkers and take everything with a grain of salt. A good conspiracy theorist does not believe everything you see on YouTube or the internet!

        [–]Edogawa1983 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I do find it weird that they look alike enough to be confusing and also have the same name.

        but then again, if they are indeed still alive and don't want people to know, first thing you do is change your name..

        [–]Kryptosis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        If they were going to spend billions to blow up a rocket I think they could shell out some cash for a name change and facial surgery. This is a shite conspiracy.

        [–]thetruthhurts2016 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Witness protection doesn't offer facial surgery, that's Hollywood stuff. Besides, this if true, didn't gain any significant attention then or now. 911 was a botch job, Jfk, etc.. Most People are oblivious and stupid, and 5 years after it happened, I doubt most random stranger would recognize them even if they sat at the bar together and chatted all night

        [–]Kryptosis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Why would witness protection ever be involved? Nice red-herring argument. Plastic surgery is "Hollywood stuff"? You are full of shit if you think they would attempt deception of this scale and not try to hide the smoking gun. The faces of the crew were on the news for months after the disaster. Also zero explanation as to why the doppelgangers have documented jobs and histories that give them plenty suitable alibi.

        Shit like this is why this sub is the laughing stock of reddit.

        [–]dlandis13[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Let it be the laughing stock. If we didn't consider theories that were laughable to someone then we'd just be the same as the rest of the sheep following the herd. We should actively seek theories like this, even only for the purpose of breaking them down and disproving them. All conspiracies sound insane depending on your point of view when you first hear them. We're better off not quickly dismissing, although if there was one we should dismiss, it's this one.

        [–]thetruthhurts2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yeah cause they did a bang up job with 911. 3 towers 2 planes, and the absence of footage at the pentagon. It's not that "wouldn't" is rather that it's not likely necessary. Besides, most people not in fear of their lives wouldn't want to change their facial appearance. And their job records could easily be obscured. They could have lived abroad or in a remote area of the country for 5-10 years and by then if they didn't draw huge attention to themselves, 99% of people wouldn't recognize them, or would have a cognitive dissonance effect, unless they were conspiracy theorist.

        [–]MemeMindControl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'm very skeptical of the video myself, but this is what really bugs me about "skeptics." On the one hand, they claim that the government wouldn't make any stupid mistakes during a cover up. On the other hand, they claim the government is too stupid to keep a big secret, so there can't be any conspiracies we don't know about.

        Which is it? Is the government insanely coordinated and precise, or are they incompetent? I think it would have to be a mixture of both, depending on which group inside "the government" we are talking about. On big cover-ups, there might be some people who leak the information, but they will probably be monitored, so they catch them and deal with them usually before they speak out. When stuff does make it to forums and the press, they can downplay it, hire "skeptics" to discredit the person, or flood us with a ton of disinformation so it's lost in a sea of shit.

        [–]Jlas -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        In my conspiracy podcasts and youtube rabbit holes I keep hearing the theory that no one dies during these false flag events but haven't looked much into it. Anyone have any good videos explaining this?

        [–]joe_jaywalker -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Never Avoid Scamming America

        [–]CitationDependent -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You can see Judith Resnik in 1987 in this at 28:19 through the next few minutes at least for a comparison:

        https://www.c-span.org/video/?10178-1/bork-nomination-day-9-part-5

        [–]gotmyweeddegree -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'll take a flat chest from time to time, but a flat earth? Nah man, the earth is round, or scrotum shaped.

        [–]bri9and -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        These people don't look remotely like the Challenger crew. I watched it as a kid and it wasn't a hoax, please.. stop.

        [–]PickUpTheBass -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You should Go for a eye test. Just because you watched it doesn't mean its a hoax.

        [–]FreeTruths4U -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        indeed They Live!

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