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[Post-Matchday Thread] Anderlecht 1 - 1 Manchester United (self.reddevils)

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This is post-matchday, not post-match. For measured opinion and different retrospection.

Europa League Quarter-Finals First Leg

HT: Anderlecht 0 - 1 Manchester United

FT: Anderlecht 1 - 1 Manchester United

Goals:

0-1 Mkhi 36'
1-1 Dendoncker 86'

Stats

- Anderlecht Man Utd
Possession 35% 65%
Shots 12 15
On Target 1 7
Blocked 5 4
Corners 6 4
Offsides 1 3
Fouls 17 9
Pass Completion 75% 88%
" In Attacking Third 64% 78%

Man of the Match

Antonio Valencia (BBC)

Other Quarter-Final First Leg results

Ajax 2 - 0 Schalke

Celta Vigo 3 - 2 Genk

Lyon 2 - 1 Besiktas

Post-Match Pressers

Jose (Post-Match Interview)

Jose (Post-Match Press Conference)

Jose: "If I was a Manchester United defender, I would be very upset with the attacking players. They did the serious work. The people who had to kill the game didn't. It is the same problem, we had control, we had chances, but we do not score enough goals. In my poor English, I cannot find a better word than sloppy. You have to play more seriously. Put the performance of two or three of our attacking players together and you squeeze not much juice out of it. Marcus Rashford, Jesse Lingard, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Anthony Martial - they were very similar"

Links

Match Thread / Post-Match Thread

BBC Report

Highlights/Full Match Download or Watch Online

Next Match: Chelsea (H) - Premier League - Easter Kendrick Sunday 16th April - 16:00 KO

Following five matches: Anderlecht (H)*, Burnley (a), Man City (A), Swansea (H), Arsenal (A)

*Europa League

Some Thoughts

  • So we drew. How about that?

  • Thought we largely controlled the game without doing a whole lot. We created some chances and definitely should have bagged another goal but for poor finishing (Pogba, Mkhi, Lingard come to mind) but overall given the control we had last night we should have been doing more than we did. I've mentioned it before but I always get the impression the players are conserving their energy for the next game and start to warm down around the 65th minute if we're winning.

  • Thought the defence largely did well and Carrick was great in the centre picking passes. I think over the summer it's time we invest in actual wingers - we have a lot of playmakers on the wing (Mkhi, Mata) or a lot of converted strikers who cut inside (Martial, Rashford) but we don't have pure out and out wingers and we're missing that.

  • Now it's time to rely on our perfect cup record this season at OT (P10 W10). Still don't anticipate any problems but it's more serious a match than it should be and means that when we're playing Chelsea on Kendrick Sunday we'll have to keep an eye on that game.

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[–]TheZilloBeastPogba 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't worry, we'll smahs them 0-0 at Old Trafford

[–]MedievalSorceryMagic Mkhi 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a bad result outright but given the circumstances it's a really poor result, the circumstances being that Anderlecht had one shot on target and they scored with it while we had 7 and also scored once. I just don't want to be holding on to this slim lead at OT. If we freakishly get knocked out then our confidence will be lower than ever. It should be a walk at home but the longer we take to score, the worse.

[–]el3melIbrahimovic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We should have calmed down by now . It's not a bad result and we'll pass them easily in Old Trafford which will make this draw a good result . Lesson learnt is Jose should stop using Fellaini if he wants to defend a result.

Move on the next game. Life won't end.

[–]CrebTheBerc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree that it's not the worst result in the world, I think my frustration comes from the fact that we don't seem to be learning from previous mistakes. If we hadn't seen this situation over and over in other games, I wouldn't be nearly as frustrated with it.

Saying that, as long as we're focused for the return leg we should be fine.

[–]el3melIbrahimovic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I agree Jose had made this mistake several times now . but after some thinking I think the problem wasn't him trying to defend the result but more likely him trying to do this USING Fellaini . The guy is probably the worst DMF I have ever seen in my life . Zero awareness of his surroundings and his movement in this position is ridiculous . He very easily always loses his man , yet Jose is still using him in this place when trying to defend the result it's so annoying .

I think if we had completed the game with the same formation before that Fellaini sub , or even put Hererra instead of him , we would have seen the game out comfortably .

[–]CrebTheBerc 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I like Fellaini, I think he's fine as a rotational player or someone for specific situations, but he's repeatedly shown he's not a DM. I don't understand that decision at all

[–]shihvvbPogba 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand peoples frustration, but atleast we didn't lose.

[–]targeryianJones 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really want to be positive but after the past few months I'm struggling. The three positives I can really think of was our defenders pretty much cut out any threat, Carrick dictated play brilliantly (his over the top balls are stunning) and Rashford played well.

Negatives which I really hate focusing on but there's so many and it's the same thing every week. Crap finishing, too slow and lethargic at transitioning play from defence to attack, no movement in the box, no one really making runs. Jose made some funny substitutions especially bringing on Fellaini and TFM which made no sense whatsoever. Martial was pathetic, as harsh as that sounds but he looked so lazy and I fully understand why Rashford is the preferred option now.

Also does anyone else get irritated by how often Ibra is dropping deep. Mkhi although he played poor, looked up a few times to look for someone in the box and no one was there.

The worst part about these performances are although from our standard we're bad, we're always the better team and we should be coming away from these games with wins. Game after game it's the same thing happening and it's get boring talking about it but nothing is changing.

We really need something to kick start this last period of games (hopefully a win vs Chelsea) because if we play this way against a team like Lyon they will be a lot more clinical and punish us.

[–]tocitusMemphis[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree completely about Martial. He was genuinely awful - a far cry from his cameo performance against Sunderland when, in only 6-7 mins on the field he looked hungry. Against Anderlecht he looked lazy and demotivated, I hope he's ok because he is going to develop into an incredible player but if he's not ok I can see Mourinho moving him on.

[–]targeryianJones 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never been so sure that a player will be world class as I have been with Martial. He looked unplayable at times and an absolute nightmare for defenders. He's still got about 3 years on his contract but I can't see him leaving simply because no one will pay for the money required.

It might be the dreaded 'second season syndrome' so giving up on him would be extremely short sighted but if he puts in another performance like that again, he'll be dropped indefinitely Jose won't stand for it.

[–]macAaronEGiggs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Martial did more in the cameo he had against Sunderland than the thirty minutes he played against Anderlecht. He genuinely looked appalling. I hope that was just a one-off.

[–]CrebTheBerc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Going to bring this up here cause it doesn't need its own thread and I'm not sure where else to bring it up.

Seen a lot of discussion about whether we're over reliant on Ibra. Obviously he's been really important for us and has far outscored anyone else on the team, but I really am starting to think he hurts us in some ways. The top comment mentions that Ibra dropped too deep and I agree, he does it in a lot of games especially when he gets starved of service. I think the fact that he's so versatile and such a reliable finisher for us is why we're over reliant. When Ibra is on the field the other players know they have someone who can finish chances, but can also get on the ball and create if he needs to. He fundamentally changes the way we can play in the final third. Martial and Rashford are much better using their pace to beat defenders either through dribbling or runs behind and Rooney has just regressed as a whole. In a team that is so used to having a forward who is such a threat in so many different ways, if we play anyone else, our whole attack has to adjust to a different method. I really like Ibra, but I am starting to think that he forces us to play a certain way that no one else on the team can replicate, and that hurts us overall.

[–]drexter12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think we should be using Zlatan a lot better. Imagine how much more deadly he would be if we actually did put in top crosses into the box or if our wingers actually get past defenders and cut back to Zlatan? Currently Zlatan is being forced to be a playmaker and hence drops deep, we need to get into a form where Zlatan just focuses in the box. I know where you are coming from, but if you take Zlatan away, our attacking threat is so bad.

[–]CrebTheBerc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I mean though. If you take out Zlatan, we have no one who can replicate all the different things he offers. We lose aerial threat, hold up play, and our best finisher if you take him off. If you don't play him our attack loses dimensions and I think that's where our over reliance on him is.

I totally agree with your point about needing more from the rest of the attacking players. Our crossing has been average with few runs into the box and little threat from midfield or the wings

[–]drexter12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahhh, yh I get what you mean, true!

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Slightly disappointed, not devastated as we have an advantage to take to OT. Another 90 minutes and i think we'll do it. I can understand frustration, but it's not as if we were battered. It was 1 moment, whilst it's annoying, it's promising for the future that we aren't getting beaten, and we are dominating games. If every league game was played over 2 legs we'd probably have won the league by now :p

A lot of people on this sub have their standards set far, far too high in my opnion. Maybe it was our summer signings, who knows. Yeah they're an inferior team and we should've won, but we've got an away goal in the quarter final of European competition, with a 2nd leg to play. It's hardly the end of the world.

[–]drexter12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To me it is not about the result, by this time in the season I expected us to have a good rhythm in the team ready for next season. I expected us to go on a winning streak at this time, and I am kinda disappointed that we are low on confidence and there still doesn't seem to be an intended play style. By that I mean, its like we are passing for the sake of it and hoping it would open up at times rather than partnership being formed in different areas of the pitch to open up the opponents intentionally.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tbh yeah i think we've done extremely well to hang on to top 4, win the LC, and get to the QF of Europa. But I think now it's clear we're not a team to go on a 10 game win streak, we're not going to sprint through the finish line, we're gunna crawl.

I'm done caring about our performances. I'd take a 0-0 at Old Trafford to go through. I want next season already. Our summer signings have been amongst some of our best players this season and i expect us to add to that, and the glaring cracks in the squad filled in.

[–]kjabs87 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Our players are overrated. We should have finished this tie off and been able to go into Chelsea all cylinders firing. Now who knows who Jose will play Sunday. I don't think he still knows who his best formation is. He needs to have a window or two more to bring in the exact type of player he wants.

[–]drexter12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho did say that the team is 'very' far from his expectations, and he clearly mentioned having to use the transfer window. So, I really do expect us to sell like another 4 players and bring in better players.

[–]kjabs87 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I completely agree with you. I think we might see more than 4 leave. With replacements coming in. We need to cycle out the mediocre and make ourselves back to the top.