They just focus on what women want what a pathetic joke. It's not funny to see how people who think they are enlightened are actually fooling themselves because they will end up in the chad trap.

Essentially they lost frame because as long as you think about what women want you actually are a mangina and you follow her way.

So it's even more pathetic to say you should hold frame and lift when there is no frame to begin with. No wonder it's more appealing to the masses, bunch of retards