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[–]thewrecker8 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Everyone wants what they can't have. The grass is always greener. Etc etc.... It's just like you said years ago women didn't want to depend on a man to take care of them. They wanted to earn their own way. After they got that they realized it's real, hard work. Now they want the life where they can just stay home and take care of the house and kids while hubby makes 6 figures a year working 12+ hour days. Then those women complain they're lonely/unloved/not attractive to hubby because their husband is always working and isn't paying attention to her so he either isn't interested in her or having an affair. It couldn't possibly be he's exhausted and stressed out being the sole provider for a woman who wants the big house the big SUV to shuttle the kids around to sports practices with. While he's doing everything he can to make his wife and kids happy. It's a losing proposition in 99% of the cases no matter what you do. This is why focus on yourself and if you have a kid(s) for whatever reason them also to make sure you're a good dad. Other than that enjoy life and don't become dependant emotionally or otherwise on women. Women are like a drug, they make us feel good when taken in moderation. When your whole life becomes consumed by them you become like any other addict.

[–]catholic_curious 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Women, collectively, didn't want emancipation. Most women didn't even want suffrage. Men voted to give women these things at the behest of a loud, obnoxious minority given a disproportionate voice due to various forms of mass media. They gave in to nagging, because most men are beta, but it generally wasn't the nagging of their own wives, it was the nagging of dissatisfied unattached types.

[–]LOST_TALE 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

obnoxious minority given a disproportionate voice due to various forms of mass media

this is very likely considering how disgusting the media is (the truth about fidel castro) They praised and covered up and shilled for mass murderers while shaming capitalist and geneticist truthers

[–]dirtydog113 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This right here...exactly what happened to me...12 hour days ..she not working ..got "bored"... I wasn't giving her the "emotional support"... The white knight who is now paying for her after I threw her and her shit out onto the kerb ...his problem now

[–]PastLifeGypsy 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Simple logic would tell you that women were never the hard-working sex. They lack ambition (induced by testosterone) and the need to achieve something (they have inherent value due to them being...women).

It's safe to say most people don't want to work. Hell, God punished Adam and Eve with work. But women are the least likely to want it.

[–]michael_wilkins 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because back in the "good ole days" being a housewife was actual hard work, floors had to be scrubbed on your hands and knees, washing clothes was a physical chore.

Nowdays it's just yoga in lululemons.

I would fucking love to live that lifestyle. It's basically retirement.

[–]Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

...off she goes to bed for another 2 hours, not having to go to work. She seems to have an easy life you know.

This is the part that cheeses them off. Women always see only the benefits that others have, not the responsibilities. They don't see the downside to being a SAHW, such as they may be, only the benefits.

[–]24124214124124124I1I 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh c'mon. A stay at home wife has responsibilities that rival the stress of a real job? Not even close in my books.

[–]Rufferto_n_Groo 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That'll all change with kid #1, kid #2, and if western civilization is lucky, kid #3 and 4

[–]LOST_TALE 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

piece of cake

last time people told me living alone was 'difficult' it was so laughable I should have just added a negative multiplier to what they think.

[–]ShOdinn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get what you're saying, but staying at home to take care of even one child (especially a high needs one that won't stand for you to even do some damned dishes) is actually exhausting. It's not as hard as a real job like military training or going out on a fishing boat, but it does rule your life to the point of making it hard to do much anything else with your time.

It doesn't last forever, though.

*EDIT: Oh, I think maybe I read you wrong, I now think you were specifying "wife" versus "mother."

[–]Blunter-S-Thompson 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

SAHM with my 3 kids on the home front.

Every day it's "ohhh they're monsters. You wouldn't believe this or that.... They're so exhausting."

Every now and then I like to take all 3 and leave momma all alone for the day. Upon the inevitable return, WITHOUT FAIL, I get asked "how was it?"

My HONEST response every time.... "a piece of cake. Not a single kid acted up, not a single one fussed. Perfect day." And guess what, that's the truth.

I have manned the trenches on my own more than enough times to laugh at any person who thinks being a SAHM is the most taxing and excruciating thing ever. HAHAHA. Please.

If you have your shit together, the kids will fall in line. If not.... best of luck to ya!

[–]askmrcia 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Think you're looking way too much into it.

I see where you trying to go, but this just seems like typical women gossip to me. Go hang with your mom and her friends and listen how they gossip about everyone in your entire family.

You will think your dad, brother, cousin, uncles are some of the worse human beings alive after your mom and female relatives get done gossiping about them.

[–]Mangoinhand 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it is gossip. But he is still making a good point.

Gossip is defined aa talking about someone specific you know when they are not present.

At some level all studies and adectodal experiences involved gossip as the subject matter to build ideas from.

There are a number of things the priveleged class get to do, including stay at home parenthood:

  • getting 8 hours of sleep every night
  • not commuting for hours each day
  • multiple vacations a year
  • one or both parents being stay at home

These are foundations for a great quality of life.

Listen up Men:

If you DO NOT have the EASY opportunity to FREELY and realistically choose to STAY AT HOME with YOUR children, then you are NOT part of the privileged class.

Better make sure you structure your finance and circumstances so you can bask in having that option on a whim (you never know when you want to tell your boss/client/customer to fuck off).

If you cannot walk away from ANY situation with little impact to all your income streams, then you are dependent and not in more control of your fate and happiness.

[–]zephyrprime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's gossip but so what? It's important.

[–]11-Eleven-11 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last 50 years has been biggest change in dynamic for women in history. Was it it for the best? No, I don't think so. Women weren't supposed to live like they do now. They were supposed to take care of the children and the household. In the past I'm sure women helped on their husbands farms. But, they were never 'independent' until now.

[–]maybethistimeyes1 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I have a crazy theory. Maybe, just maybe, some women want one thing, and some women want another thing.

Nah that's too extreme, what am I thinking?

[–]Venny_1[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (12子コメント)

some women want one thing, and some women want another thing

And yet all of them want to be cared for, to be provided for and be protected. It doesn't matter what they say, look at what they do. Even if a woman has open relationships with a platitude of guys, she is still longing for the above to be secured.

 

Nah that's too extreme, what am I thinking?

Just a little extreme, considering that the concept of nurture is actually hardwired in the female of our species. It is within their limbic system, even though the social engineering of modern times has fooled alot of women to think overwise.

Ask yourself this: would a woman in the 15th century rather work in the mines, or spend the day doing what is deemed housework? I wonder what kind of woman would voice answer to the first option! For over a 150 thousand years, the males of our species want out to hunt secure resources while the female took care of the home and child rearing, and guess what! The system worked!! We have survived for this long!!!

[–]1kez88 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If we're looking at what women do, then we would see that millions of them have rioted, picketed, screamed and complained to join the workforce and work full time. A lot of women do want to work, some women would rather be taken care of, almost all women want to work, feel valued for their work, AND be taken care of.

[–]Anayalata 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Look what I did at school today daddy!" "Yes girl, that's nice."

Hm.

[–]1max_peenor 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or they have no idea what they want. That's what I usually see.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The takeaway in the story is that Lisa was shamed by her peers for enjoying a more traditional lifestyle.

[–]Tuga_Lissabon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You hardcore radical heretic thinker!

Next you'll say some women do not wish to have a bright career as, say, a lawyer, working 80 hour weeks and then to the pub with the high-wheelers.

Absurd. All women are fully in tune with themselves, their core beliefs are third-wave feminism and they all despise such stay-at-home women as traitors.

In no way do they envy them. Perish the though. Such ease would make them go soft!

[–]Mckallidon 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I never listen to anything that women say. It's all bullshit. They're like rabid monkeys in their heads. These bitches could be a millionaire stay at home wife and then hate you for it because you oppressed her. Fuck bitches.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree. I take women about as seriously as I take a clown. However, at least the clown puts in the effort.

Experience is a hard teacher, and it's a foolish man who actually asks a woman a question and expects an honest/sincere/sensible answer in return.

[–]catholic_curious 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"What do you want to eat?"

"Anything is fine."

"Okay, I'll take us to that Mexican place downtown."

"Oh, not Mexican..."

"But you said anything."

"Yeah but I didn't think about Mexican."

"That's cool. I could go for some pizza, too."

"Oh not pizza it's too heavy."

"Right...Well, there's a Thai place right here."

"Oh but Thai food is too hot..."

"Okay. Sushi."

"I don't want sushi."

"I want sushi and I'm getting sushi, and if you don't want sushi you can watch me eat it."

"Okay, I guess sushi is fine!"

It is simultaneously adorable and hilarious, and horrendously painful.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I cant even comprehend that kind of response /way of thinking.

I'm so laid back/grateful to have the options I would never make into a chore just picking a choice.

You definitely have to lead women whether you feel like it or not!

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Since the sixties and even long before, [some] women were screaming their lungs out about emancipation.

Most people couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag. Most people just do as their told. Some women screamed for feminism, but not all, and probably not a majority. In the old days there was only one channel for information. Thus, it seemed like all women wanted feminism. The reality is it has always been fomented by exploitative globalists to fatten their wallets and to usurp political power. Feminism is but one tool in their toolbox.

For evidence look at fourth wave feminist SJW harpies that dominate the fake news news cycle. If you were an uneducated moron you would believe that the majority of women followed their beliefs.

The reality is that after decades of cultural Marxism, indoctrination, and propaganda less than 1/3 of females identify as (mainstream) feminist. I guarantee you even less identify as SJW harpy feminists.

Don't buy into the lies. It has always been a farce just as much as it is today.

You could check out Century of the Self to start to understand how globalists socially engineer the masses to exploit them.

[–]catholic_curious 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was nowhere near a majority.

[–]aanarchist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a luxury that will not happen anymore if she wants to be with an alpha male, or to have a man be monogamous towards her. only betas are willing to pay for pussy. in fact women seem more than happy to pay for the relationship when she's with a dude she considers a high value alpha, so there's no sense for any high self esteem man to foot the bill for a woman to sleep at home all day.

now it's the women's turn to pay for the privilege of having a masculine man, and benefiting from masculine power. she can buy me the drinks, and the dinners, and pick me up etc. she should be giving more to me than she's given any other man, that's how she can prove she's worth my time.

[–]RPMahoutsukai 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does a woman want?

I think this is often spoken about on this reddit and in pickup community. Simple really. Women want emotion and validation. They want strong varied emotional experiences. They also want to have their status/achievement/beatuy/whatever validated.

We can immediately draw numerous conclusions as to why that is:

  • attraction to higher emotion is a filter that finds the best man to reproduce with, as she will theoretically have the most strong emotional response to his presence and actions
  • being more emotional and lacking self-restraint that men have to have to succeed naturally leads women to being addicted to emotional highs
  • women having to be defined by society around them since stone age (women stayed at home, men went to hunt, women had to get along, men had to be effective at their task)
  • women having shorter "smv peak" and their smv being based a lot on their appearance, naturally validation is important

I think both feminism liberation and desire to be at-home-wife fits perfectly. You get validated when you get society to give you more "rights" for free. You also get validated when your husband gives you more and cares about you more than other husbands about their wives. You get emotions from protesting, it's intoxicating (look at those feminist redhead bitches they're like on drugs when they scream their shitty slogans those protests). You also get emotions from feeling how your husband cares for you and handles everything for your comfort.

I think the final point is that every woman is, essentially, a consumer. And that is the heart of the problem. As a consumer, she can easily get her desires and expectations out of control and become un-satisfiable because nothing that's in the market can satisfy those expectations. (those of you who play/played would recognize this is what happened with the MMORPG market - huge projects with hundreds of millions of dollars could not hold people because people expected even more, and for free) On the other hand, if customer expectations are managed, customers can remain very happy. If their expectations are not allowed to rise beyond a certain limits, they can be satisfied again and again, producing a happy woman.

This is what I think the role of the man is, if you want to get into an LTR / lifetime relationship. Vet a woman that has the upbringing and all the green flags that hint she's got her expectations right, and give her enough to satisfy her every day without letting her expectations go haywire.

[–]Rockefeller342 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most women are pretty happy working and making money? Most women are also okay with being a mother? It's called perspective.

One opinion from a random woman spouted when stressed or just hating due to her own problems does not change overall reality for women. You grow when you work. You build self-esteem. It's actually very healthy neurologically for people to work.

[–]Frigzy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, we agree that in the presence of an alpha man, women melt to their childish selves. They feel protected and taken care of so they can let go of the reigns and be who they really love to be.

Do you think women who work for a living have the luxury to do this in their workplace? Nope. They are producing testosterone to keep them strong enough to get through the day putting up a facade. The last thing they can do is let go.

The whole reason feminism arose was because inevitably, many relationships are poor and the supposed alpha is actually a sad beta. In that kind of relationship, the woman can not afford to let go either, she will act up in self defense, causing all kinds of shitstorms. However this time, she's not earning shit. She (and he) only become(s) more miserable while being bound.

If a woman can choose between her natural core self or her natural survival mode, most if not all will choose the former. However if survival mode is their only option, I too would prefer to do so without a beta loser attached.

This is my theory at least.

[–]zephyrprime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This deserves a huge amount of attention although the post itself lacks in depth and analysis.

In the modern world, feminists are trying to subjugate men using their bullshit feminist theories one of which about privilege.

The problem with this whole theory is that it is completely bullshit because women have ALWAYS been more privileged in men in society in all areas excepting social status.

The fact of the matter is that women can marry a man an become economically and socially taken care for the rest of their lives. Men do not have this option. At best, when a man marries, the wife will do the housework for him. Even then, the man still must do the yard work and professional work.

The amount of monetary worth that women get from this privilege is probably worth trillions of dollars in the world in excess of what men get from women. Nobody ever talks about this humongous benefit that women get from men but it is a huge elephant in the room wherein male and female relationships exist.

[–]DM112090 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My girl is a dialysis nurse and I can't wait for the day to tell her to hang up the scrubs. She paid all my bills for a long time during a career crisis; could have left my sorry behind and didn't. Snapped me out of it, got me working again.

Hell of a woman.

I like the 1950s "bring the bread home" view. Incredible time to be a man.

[–]empress_cixi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lisa will get bored of the stay-at-home life after 6 months and will start a relationship with a neighbor or a younger man who's been giving her free drinks at the local bar.

Women, like men, need a purpose in life. No one likes cleaning after others all the time and made to feel ancillary. Unless Lisa is an introvert and likes being alone for most of the day she will begin to feel alienated and displaced from her life where everyone else has an exciting career.

2 years later, all of Lisa's friends meet again and talk about their impending divorces.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jordan Peterson - Women In High Paying Jobs (11:38)

if you are lazy - at least - watch the second half

  • Single income can provide to a whole household | women has no or limited carrier options
  • FAMMINIZM
  • The work force is doubled, incomes lowered
  • Women not just can work, but HAS TO work, 2 income needed.
  • Obviously if your husband has a high-paying job you DON'T HAVE TO work, so that's a privilege
  • Next phase: no men wants to work.

[–]wanderingtrance 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting subreddit I found here! I want to get dirty in the vegetable garden all day, feed the chickens and take care of the kids and cook for everyone. I want to work but not full time. My Husband works full time and he's glad to do it(he teaches and watches over special needs adults). We are working towards this future, right now I'm in my last year of school (horticulture) and work part time while hubby works full time, no kids yet, we are saving up $. We are both 30. I've noticed that some women out there DO put down other women (in not so many words) who are stay at home mothers/wives or want to be. They do not say this verbatim but it is implied. It is a product of our current cultural climate (USA) and OTHER WOMEN telling us that we have to be self reliant and shouldn't rely on anyone else. You are "worth" more if you have a career. If you are a stay at home-whatever, the feeling I get emanating from some women, is like, you could've done 'something' with your life but you threw it away to be lazy and be someones wife, nothing else. That's not true for me, I see a lot of value in the man I married, my partner, financially taking care of his family (roof over your head, food on the table), and women providing at home support (raising the kids, making life at home run smooth). It's like a well-oiled machine. But it depends on what the couple wants, they decide together. You asked what does a woman want? I can only answer for me. But the crooked feminism now a days shows a bit of whats going on i think...me and my husband talk about this all the time. Us women, we got what we wanted...under the law we are equal. I don't know what some other women out there are fighting for, but I think its more something that is missing on the inside. People get like that sometimes, when they feel bad inside they look for something external to give there lives some meaning or to give them a reason why they feel bad, always something external. Anyway I don't want to go to deep down that road.

[–]frankreyes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What does a woman want?

What we all want: the freedom of choice.

Back in the day whay women were staying at home, they did it because they had no choice: they could not find any husband who would support her being outside the house, nor any job willing to take her. It was socially expected for women to be at home.

Today, they have to have jobs since it is more difficult than ever to find a husband who would have a job to support the entire family. And society keeps pushing for women to have a job: socially, as a woman, you're expected to have a job and not being a house wife.

The movie The Matrix explains it quite well. Smith says:

Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program, entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world, but I believe that as a species that human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization.

Then, the Architect:

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A woman wants what she doesn't have. Once she gets something that she wants, it's no longer important to her since she will want something else. A woman will sometimes risk what she already has to get something else that she wants. But, if she were to lose what she once had, she will again want it because she does not have it.

[–]RedPillFusion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are the Lord of the Flies social dynamics that occur when women get together. You really can't take any one thing they say to each other as gospel because they change their opinions to fit the group and conversation. That said, if you have a cackle of these broads reinforcing domestication as privilege, this suggests they aren't tainted by the feminist narrative.