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Goxxed by Bitbet.us, lost 16 BTC (self.Bitcoin)

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Bitbet.us completely disappeared and stole everyone's bitcoins. Site has been offline for several days and there is no response from email or social media. Does anyone have any information about the Bitbet.us owners and if there are any actions that can be taken?

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[–]uberduger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is that a gambling site? Because putting 16BTC of yours in an account that you don't control seems like a pretty huge gamble that you took.

[–]alexgorale [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

If I ran a gambling site and someone sent me 16 BTC I would disappear too

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

16 btc is small change for those people (i think)

[–]alexgorale [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

$20K is $20k

[–]h1d [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Running away with $20k is like running away with a carrot in terms of your whole life.

[–]oarabbus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You think he ONLY stole OP's bitcoins?

The guy probably ran away with 10 times that amount maybe more

[–]alexgorale [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Maybe if you live in the US but I can think of many countries where $20k would put you in the 1%

[–]DianaQWERTY [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's why you don't run gambling websites you fucking peasant.

[–]CryptoCapitalistredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The domain registery info is public, so that's a start to finding them.

[–]zowki[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They used fake details for the domain registry. The "company" behind the domain is Polimedia which is currently in "Forfeited Existence" in Texas. The registry info has been the same even before they switched owners a year ago.

[–]CryptoCapitalistredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Could be, but I just took a look at the email which seems to be real as it's been in 6 data breaches.. One of them being BitcoinTalk were he's promoted his site under the username 'bitbet-info'.

[–]killerstorm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If I understand correctly, kakobrekla was the operator:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11998

He's also on #bitcoin-otc, you can ask there.

Also on #bitcoin-assets, but that place is very toxic. People on #bitcoin-assets probably have info about bitbet.us, but they aren't quite sane, so be careful.

[–]zowki[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Paging /u/bitbetat

[–]oarabbus [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Why did you leave 16BTC in a bet site?

[–]TogoTogo3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Was his choice. Why do people spend money on expensive cars, houses, wife's eteceta. Your reaction is off topic and childish.

[–]oarabbus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Your reaction is off topic and childish.

No it's fully on topic. Never did I say I had any issue with his choice to gamble. Leaving such a large sum of BTC on a wallet you don't own however is an extremely foolish decision and extremely pertinent to this sub. Your interpretation of my comment is childish.

[–]carlflylike1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Motivations are irrelevant to being scammed.

That being said, the site had been around since 2013 and I had about 140% ROI in that time.

The "bets" were actually just prediction markets with plenty of inefficiency. At any given time I had as much as 40btc on there. Thankfully I wasn't scammed for that much, but the site seemed pretty reliable since they had handled such an enormous volume.

Fwiw, if they had been planning an exit scam they could've had about 200 more btc (iirc) if they had run before the election, which they paid out.

This doesn't seem like it was a scam planned until very recently, if that the case.

[–]thegrandknight [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Gambling with bitcoin is a lose lose scenario Just throwing money away and as time goes by the loss doesn't fade .

It gets amplified

[–]TogoTogo3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why do people spend money on expensive cars, houses, wife's eteceta. Your reaction is off topic and childish.

[–]Future_Prophecy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I stopped trusting them after they switched owners

[–]6to23 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Agree, for all the bad rep Mircea Popescu gets (trolling, narcissist and an asshole in general), his websites are trustworthy, never been hacked and works.

Once the site changed owners, I stopped using bitbet immediately, since I don't know shit about the new owners, and have no reason to trust them.

Same thing with mtgox really, once they got hacked, I stopped using them, and avoided the really bad shit later. Basically I view Bitcoin sites as the ceremonial horse. As long as you don't ever mess up badly (eg. coinbase/bitstamp/btc-e), I will keep using it. If you mess up even once, I'm never using you again.

[–]leijurv [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Bitstamp never messed up? Wasn't it hacked in July 2015?

[–]6to23 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, but I would consider it as a minor hack, also it wasn't really a weakness in their security, but a social engineering led into compromised server. Their security actually worked, they only lost what was in the hot wallet, this is pretty good considering their actual servers were compromised. Overall, bitstamp handled the situation very well.

The first mtgox hack was especially bad, because it actually crashed the Bitcoin price to less than $0.01, and was able to circumvent their security and withdraw coins. This was all done thru their website, without even hacking their server. Then mtgox had to rollback trades. That was when I lost faith in the mtgox management.

[–]thebitcoinstrip [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have several emails from the BitBet team last month. They seemed kinda active -- I'm surprised to see this.

Downtime with no explanation is shitty, and definitely suspicious. I hope they come back online soon.

[–]m4king [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think it's a confirmed goxing... yet.

Definitely not good though.

You'd have thought if they wanted to exit scam it would have been right before the US election payouts were due... but they paid that out.

[–]TogoTogo3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also discussed on: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662682.msg18553517#msg18553517

I have spoken via irc (bitcoin-assets) to kakobrekla. The conversation can be found here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-04-2017#1469476

10:08:19EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:Any news on bitbet.us? 10:08:30EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:Thank in advance 10:08:32EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:s 10:08:45kakobrekla:yeah, the news is that this is not the place to ask any longer :) 10:09:00EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:You are jiking right ? 10:09:02kakobrekla:check me out, im doing unpaid support! 10:09:04EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:joking 10:09:15kakobrekla:no, not really 10:09:24EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:Hopw serious is it 10:09:26punkman:bitbet was acquired by what's-his-name 10:09:32kakobrekla:znort 10:09:34kakobrekla:is his name 10:09:45EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:Where can i find more info? 10:09:48punkman:he does drop by sometimes, but yeah this is not the official support forum anymore 10:09:55EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:k 10:09:58punkman:try emailing them 10:10:13kakobrekla:info@bitbet prolly 10:10:20EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:i'll do 10:10:21EZVPyrTvgJYiEpQZ:thanks 10:10:28kakobrekla:yw

[–]REDROO265redditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Coinbase not such a bad option now huh ?

[–]zomgitsduke [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Still infinitely less valuable than my own wallet.

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the shift card is much more valuable and useful then my bank visa

[–]oarabbus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

infinitely less

Implying coinbase has zero value.

[–]mthreat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're out in left field

[–]qlassar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Have a bitcoin address? Let's see if the funds have moved.

[–]BehindTheGreenDoor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I looked at my deposit address and no funds have moved. I strongly doubt it is an intentional scam. But perhaps the owner died or got arrested. Anyways, it's the same result: lost bitcoins.

[–]MrSuperInteresting [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Also try u/btcbet_us

Last post was 6 months ago so after the takeover.

[–]coinsinspace [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's best to stay far, far away from anything in any way connected with Mircea Popescu.

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

bet

is that a gambling site?

[–]yogurtman349redditor for 8 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

gambling is a fools game

[–]btc_is_goldredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's why we should have smart contracts for online betting. All we need to do to have smart contracts is SegWit...

[–]thesilentwitness [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Is 16BTC a lot?

[–]B12awleyredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depends

[–]Panda78 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

if for you is not, please send them to me. thanks

[–]h1d [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why would the OP start the thread if it isn't?

[–]DianaQWERTY [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why wouldn't he start it even if it's not a lot? It's his money.