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[–]MustakaThinks breakfast food is gay sex[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (69子コメント)

Welcome /r/all. We love when you whinny fucks come here. Hit the report button on OPs post more. We just ignore them and post them here later for shits and giggles.

The wage gap has been disproved time and time again. It is like asking why someone in gender studies, who will make fuck all, did not enter STEM studies, and yet protests not enough women are in STEM programs. /r/facepalm

Reports ignored. Have fun debating.

[–]Cool3134 1703 ポイント1704 ポイント  (312子コメント)

I believe that if a woman is doing the same amount of work as a man on the same job, they should both be paid the same amount. Favoritism should not be shown to either sex no matter what.

[–]MattyD123 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Frankly you'd be hard pressed to find any job at a specific company where two opposite genders who are doing the same work aren't paid almost the exact same (if not very close) if all there qualifications and experience are equal.

[–]Fletch71011 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Porn and modeling pay the woman a lot more. Professional sports teams pay males more for similar reasons -- they bring in a lot more revenue.

Obviously this isn't true for most companies and males and females should more or less make the same wages with everything else equal.

[–]This_is_my_phone_tho 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

supply and demand when applied to gendered jobs shouldn't be factored into this discussion imho. we have an explanation why bring it up?

[–]Kyestrike 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think a great notable exception was Rhonda Rousey. The moment she started bringing in the big dollars she got a piece of that pie. The thing that limits women in sports, and often men in porn might be this too, is consumer interest.

I think thats comforting. Some of my 3rd wave feminist acquaintances like to blame everything on the "patriarchy." I guess they're part of the problem if they keep buying march madness swag instead of products for women's college teams.

[–]jeegte12 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

lotta women complaining about a lack of gender equality in STEM, not a whole lot of women applying themselves to STEM.

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      [–]SubtleMockery 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Tenure would be the only legal reason they weren't. If one has been there longer than the other.

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        [–]somenamestaken[S] 608 ポイント609 ポイント  (67子コメント)

        I work a sales job. Some of our best agents are women. They routinely kick my ass. Sometimes there's luck. Sometimes there's skill. Sometimes a lot of them just outwork me.

        Good on them.

        [–]Ambulated_Wellhead 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (26子コメント)

        Dont forget the power of will.

        [–]jake092203 224 ポイント225 ポイント  (15子コメント)

        CONCENTRATED power of will

        [–]Saskyle 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's only 15% of it.

        [–]King_of_the_Furbies 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Or a reason to remember the name

        [–]Dr40oz 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        A sexy voice and tits don't hurt

        [–]overdriveftw 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You misspelled boobs

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          [–]AtomicKittenz 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I mean, in retail everyone gets paid shit, so it's pretty equal.

          [–]compmodder 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Being pretty helps..... source: worked at a dealership

          [–]somenamestaken[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oh for sure. We had this gorgeous, Russian girl who made a fake Facebook and added all her make clients. Shit, establish rapport any way you can.

          [–]IMage77 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Boobs

          [–]Yellosnomonkee 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Then I don't get your post. The wage gap can be seen in in a sample of people with the same job.

          My theroy is that in workplaces where wage is negotiated and you have to request raises men are generally less timid in negotiations.

          [–]Just4yourpost [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I'm willing to bet the "raise negotiations" for women are treated like they treat the dating game, which is why they don't get raises, because raises don't come up you to buy you a drink.

          Most Men don't have that luxury/privilege/value

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              [–]slake_thirst 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (127子コメント)

              That's not even close to a realistic understanding of the problem or the comic in the OP. The supposed gender pay gap refers to an average across all industries and job sectors. It's not even close to being capable of comparing 2 people in the same job.

              The comic is showing that men in general have fewer days off, more workplace accidents, more workplace deaths, etc. It's saying that men on average are paid more but carry a heavier burden. Once again, it's not about individuals. It's about the averages.

              I disagree with the comic, though. Research has shown that women take maternity leave, choose less strenuous (ie lower paying) jobs, are more likely to take a break from working to raise kids, etc. That's actually the biggest reason for the wage gap.

              [–]Alexnader- 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (116子コメント)

              The right question to ask is why aren't men, on average, taking flexible jobs that facilitate better family life, why aren't they getting paternity leave, why aren't they taking flex time at work.

              A balance in child rearing duties and ending the stupid stereotype about dad "babysitting" the kids would do a lot to fix the wage gap.

              [–]SubtleMockery 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              The right question to ask is why aren't men, on average, taking flexible jobs that facilitate better family life, why aren't they getting paternity leave, why aren't they taking flex time at work

              Because those jobs don't pay as much. Women are allowed to be the primary breadwinner, men are expected to be.

              [–]bbraithwaite83 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Not all of us are expected to. Maybe we should be pushing for more accommodating workplaces for parents

              [–]SubtleMockery 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Totally.

              I mean, just pushing against being 16 hour/day labor wage slaves being bled dry for profit would be great, but that's also good.

              [–]friendliest_giant 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Not just for parents but for all.

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                  [–]Frensday 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  A lot of men who work lower wage jobs don't have access to those kinds of benefits, mostly because they are low-skill, high-demand jobs. They don't have the market power to demand flexible jobs which allow them time to raise their kids and share that responsibility with their wives, because someone who doesn't require those benefits can just replace them.

                  Men who DO have higher paying jobs, more education, etc, have the market power to demand workplace flexibility and paid parental leave, and many of them take it when it's available to them. But the blue-collar factory worker who would love to spend time with his kids can't afford it, because otherwise he won't have a job.

                  [–]bbraithwaite83 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Ain't that the truth. There needs to be better worker protection but now everyone hates unions

                  [–]noworryhatebombstill 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The solution to this is UNIONIZATION.

                  Getting stuck in a pink-collar rut sucks-- sure, you have flexibility, but you have low pay and little hope of advancement. Getting stuck in a dangerous blue-collar job also sucks-- you get paid well for your level of education/training, but you have little flexibility and more workplace danger.

                  Dividing workers against each other ("He is paid more!" "She has more leave!") is a time-honored technique. Workers, of either gender, have more in common than we do to divide us.

                  Many men want to spend more time with their children. Many women would like to be able to provide for their families even if it meant less flex-time. Organized labor advocating for fair leave AND workplace safety benefits everyone.

                  [–]UnretiredGymnast 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  On average, men are more likely to pursue jobs with greater demands and/or more risk than women. Nothing wrong with that. Just a different preference.

                  I don't see any reason to expect both genders to be exactly the same, even in an ideal world.

                  [–]Naked-On-TheInternet 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (73子コメント)

                  Because, on average, they don't seem to want to? Isn't that up to them? Aside from paternity leave of course which is obviously a legal issue.

                  [–]EpicLevelBadass 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                  Or maybe because those jobs pay 23% less

                  [–]mannyman34 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                  then why don't businesses hire only women if they are 23% cheaper.

                  [–]twoerd 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Some jobs pay less. Women tend to choose those jobs.

                  If a man and a women do the same job, they get paid roughly the same amount. (Though men are actually favoured, by around 3-10%, don't really remember and don't have the stats.) Businesses don't save money if they hire more women.

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                      [–]SondeySondey 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Isn't that up to them?

                      Peer pressure is a thing and a very hard one to go against in many layers of most societies.
                      The existence of individual reasoning does not invalidate the relevance of average tendencies in a group of people.

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                        [–]girlwithswords 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        You can ask the same of women. Why aren't they getting more dangerous jobs, working longer hours, or taking fewer benefits. The answer is the same. Because the over all priorities of men and women are different. You can say it's because of the way they are taught, or just because boys tend like trucks and girls like to help people, whatever. Nurture vs nature. I think you'll find it is somewhere in between.

                        Regardless of why they choose it, they do. And it is no one else business why they choose those things. If women want to make more they can either agree to v work just as hard as men, or... We'll there is no or unless they try getting employers to pay women more just because.

                        I say this as a single mom who worked my ass off to raise my kids because my ex refused to pay child support. I didn't bitch about it, I was grateful I was able to get a job, go to school, and make sure my children did their homework. Not everyone can do what I did, but we all have choices to make. And those choices are ours to bare.

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                          [–]We_are_all_monkeys 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          The wage gap persists even when controlling for all these factors. It's less, but it still exists. It will probably disappear over time though as more women enter into prodominantly male careers, especially STEM jobs. I will concede though that it a very difficult to measure with precision.

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                            [–]Archibald_Andino 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                            I believe that if a woman is doing the same amount of work as a man on the same job, they should both be paid the same amount.

                            "Your wish is hereby granted", sincerely 1963.

                            [–]Cool3134 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            Sorry for being ignorant, but what exactly are you talking about?

                            Edit: thank you for everyone giving me sources to read up on!

                            [–]Archibald_Andino 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/epa.cfm

                            [–]Xcelentei 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            there was a law passed in 1963 that says paying a woman less than a man for the same job is discrimination. A lot of people who disagree with the wage-gap statistics cite this as an example of one way the problem has already been addressed at the federal level.

                            I don't know enough about the subject to tell you if that's actually true or not, so I'd recommend researching it for yourself before telling anyone else.

                            [–]Archibald_Andino 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            On a related note, I think that barefoot children working in factories should be against the law too.

                            [–]Chaotic-Catastrophe 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_of_1963

                            [–]Kyestrike 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            My friendo mentioned a documentary on the gender pay gap that brought up women being given less prestigious titles and less pay to perform the same function in a company.

                            I'm sorry I don't remember what documentary it was, but thats a factor I hadn't considered significant before that conversation.

                            [–]wpgsae 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Don't forget same quality of work.

                            [–]Klappa69 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                            The wage gap is simply the median incomes of men and women working full time. It does not account for occupation or hours worked. It has been illegal since the 1960s to pay a woman a penny less for the same work. The wage gap does not exist in the way many feminists think it does. You will find no reliable research showing that men and women working the same job in a developed country earn a different amount. Taking into account the hours worked and occupation some research actually showed the wage gap to be less than 2 pennies per dollar.

                            [–]Romanulus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I believe that anyone doing a job should get paid as much as they possibly can by advocating for themselves.

                            [–]arup02 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            I believe that if a woman is doing the same amount of work as a man on the same job, they should both be paid the same amount.

                            What a groundbreaking thought. Someone please give this man a Nobel prize.

                            [–]sephrinx 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Well, like, they do.

                            [–]andysaurus_rex 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            If I'm not mistaken, they do (or almost do. Not anywhere near the 77% number often cited). Over all jobs in all industries the average working woman will make 77% of what the average working male will make. That's the statistic. And that statistic is clearly not showing the more important figure which is how much a woman makes while working the same job as a man (what you're suggesting). And that figure it much closer to equal. I don't know it off the top of my head, so I can't say it's exactly equal, but it's much closer.

                            And that's what this comic is showing. These 2 horses are doing 2 different jobs, and the male horse gets more carrots on average because of the different career choices.

                            [–]KahlanRahl 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            If I recall, it's 97%, which is within the margin of error for the study I'm thinking of.

                            [–]andysaurus_rex 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Could be. I just remember it being so small that it wasn't really even worth mentioning

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                              [–]SubtleMockery 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              They are. It's illegal not to.

                              [–]randomcoincidences 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              On the other hand when I used to work in commercial construction we had women carpenters. They could do good work, measure and cut just like anyone else...

                              but my job was physical, sometimes extremely physical. The amount of times the girls came over to swap tasks with us because they were too heavy or hard for them was ridiculous, especially because at that time, they got paid more than me due to 'schooling' and 'experience' (they apprenticed out of high school and I didnt). Now, that said I am more than capable of doing anything they can do with the added benefit of I can easily lift and work hard all day long.

                              When we'd discuss wage discrepancies for women vs men I said in our industry as a worker grunt, men should make a few dollars an hour more because we produce more and are less restricted in what we can do due to biology but if its a management position or something where physiological differences play no part, there shouldnt be a difference at all.

                              They agreed and I don't see a problem with this. Guys on average go into higher paying harder work jobs with longer hours and less enjoyable working conditions and it reflects in pay.

                              The wage gap doesnt exist in the office world for the most part.

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                                [–]TractionJackson 800 ポイント801 ポイント  (139子コメント)

                                In the manufacturing industry, women got the same hourly rate as I did, but did much less work. I'd happily take 77% of their pay if it meant the same amount of work they did.

                                [–]KungFuMosquito 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                I worked plenty of manual labor jobs with women. They're just a diversity statistic so the company can say "look at us!" Not only did I have to do my job, bit carry extra weight. You're more than free to call me a sexist if you want but science says otherwise. The latest craze I've see is the fire department of new york retention up their diversity hires. Minorities don't want the job and women can't handle it.

                                [–]soundsaboutWRIGHT 267 ポイント268 ポイント  (98子コメント)

                                If true, your workplace was unique and should be sued.

                                [–]alchemist5 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                If true, your workplace was unique

                                Umm, not at all? I unloaded trucks for 10 years and the women there could absolutely not keep up. They had the same position, so got the same pay, but I had to jump over to their stations to help constantly.

                                It probably isn't a gender thing, it's a 'people who move stuff is teh dumb and get the absolute minimum' thing, really.

                                They don't get paid a different amount because of their gender, they get paid the same amount because nobody gives a shit.

                                [–]Tovora 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                When I was younger we had the same thing. She actually blatantly refused to unload anything, pack anything or do any work that was dirty or would make her sweaty. She wanted to work in the office and do paperwork. The leading hand told her that she was employed to do these things, so she could do them or leave. She left.

                                [–]alchemist5 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                In my situation, they certainly tried, but it's just biology. They just couldn't keep up. Most of the time they were almost embarrassed to need help.

                                Given that we were all basically being paid in banana peels cough at Target cough, I wasn't about to demand that I get an extra banana peel, and one should be taken from someone else. It's not like the CEO is going to knock a zero off his paycheck (Salary: $28.1 million in 2014) to pay a little extra to the people who earn him his paycheck.

                                [–]Tovora 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                I'd be fine with it if they're putting in the same effort and helping where they can. As you said its biology. The same as some males are strong and some are weaker, you do what you can. But blatantly refusing to do the work is unacceptable.

                                [–]alchemist5 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I'd be fine with it if they're putting in the same effort and helping where they can.

                                This part only bothers me because the people at the top are getting so much more. if the person at the top of the pyramid were getting reasonable pay, huge companies could 'afford' to pay people based on their contributions. I replaced 2 people when I started, and nearly a decade later, 4 people replaced me when I left. I got paid 1 person's wage.

                                When you get down to it, it isn't about gender (or, it shouldn't be) as much as it's about getting paid proportionately to the work you do. The real wage gap is between the CEO and the person running the register, not men and women.

                                Ideally, we all get paid by the number of boxes we sling from point a to point b, gender be damned. But as long as the folks at the top are taking 90% of the profits, that's never going to be possible.

                                I'm pretty drunk by now, so sorry if I went off into something unrelated. Probably time for some sleep.

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                                  [–]ryios 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It works like this:

                                  Pretty Girl: "Oh I'm so tired, Hey [Guy that likes her here] (flirting) can you put this on the shelf for me?" Guy That likes her: "OH Yes, np, glad to help"

                                  And before you know it, all the guys in the plant are doing her job for her.

                                  New guy comes in: "This woman doesn't do anything, what's up with that?"

                                  It was so bad at a factory I worked in that you couldn't even report it because they had worked their magic on management too.

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                                    [–]robetyarg 139 ポイント140 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                    It isn't that unique. I've worked in many physically demanding jobs, and when women were there, the men were expected to do the more laborious tasks, like moving heavy objects. The women would clean the job site. I didn't mind because I know we were a lot stronger and we all understood our roles.

                                    Most of the time, I don't see the problem in having men do the more laborious tasks, because we are mostly stronger than our female coworkers.

                                    [–]Kizik 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    Reminds me of my time at a retail place. Whenever something needed to be moved, you'd hear right over the intercom for "a male employee" to rush over and deal with it. Always was tempted to call for a female employee to deal with the customers I had so I could answer the page, but.. that's the sort of thing that would've gotten me fired.

                                    [–]XangoldMan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    I cant believe you let this opportunity pass

                                    [–]Kizik 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Needed the job at the time. This was the same place that had women loudly declaring how useless, stupid, and worthless men were in the break rooms - management was entirely female, including HR, so.. there really wasn't anything that anyone could say or do without losing their own jobs. By the time I left, I'd moved onto the much quieter, much more accepting night shift, and nobody would have made those kinds of calls.

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                                        [–]bjfie 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Sounds like you've never worked a manual labour intensive job that employed both genders.

                                        If you did, and both men and women were physically outputting the same amount, the job probably wasn't very physically demanding or your situation was unique.

                                        [–]XanderPrice 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                        Not unique at all. Happens all the time in the military.

                                        [–]Pinworm45 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I love people like you who live in a Fantasy world where the grit and musk of our real world never seems to apply. Where things are as they should be, rather than being as they are.

                                        I wish I could live in your world, truly. Where everyone truly was equal and the same.

                                        But I don't. I live in this Shithole. Enjoy your privilege - for you are privileged to be so ignorant of how the world truly works.

                                        [–]bionix90 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        your workplace was unique

                                        It was not.

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                                          [–]rocket_raccon 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Every job I've ever had that had female counter parts and at least some physical part to it, the women didn't do close to the same amount or same job that I did. Doesn't quite seem fair for the same hourly rate. And how does this wage gap work exactly? Written company policy that once a woman is hired her rate is lowered by X percent? Yeah, I don't believe it.

                                          [–]25russianbear25 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                          worked in a factory before,

                                          ive literally counted the times where some girls went to the "bathroom" at least 10 times at least once a week ... so its not "time of the month"

                                          if a guy did that hed be fired on the spot..... oh and they wernt payed 77% 87% 99% of a guys wage nope 100% tell me more more about the wage gap you lazy fuckers

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                                            [–]TastyKnight 789 ポイント790 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                            I miss when this sub was mostly posts about women actually trying to use their pussy pass and getting denied. Lately it feels like this sub has turned into just an anti women sub or an alternative sub for the red pill.

                                            [–]plaidmellon[🍰] 220 ポイント221 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            I agree. Remember when posts were about specific women trying to use ONLY gender-related passes to do things that made them seem entitled? When the comment section laughed at the silliness of it all?

                                            Pepperidge Farms Remembers.

                                            Now it's not specific incidents, it's blanket statements applying to womanhood. The comments section is full of people yelling about feminism. Honestly the comments are getting a little "penis pass denied" which has made it too far towards TRP for me. I'm leaving.

                                            [–]Jerry2die4 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            I feel like ever since whats his name was attacked in his real life for creating this sub, this place has fallen apart.

                                            There was a theory that bounced around suggesting that parties interested in this subs removal has taken control of it and will try to make this place hate filled so that they have places to point at when they say that people hate women and that they are being suppressed or whatever it is.

                                            Now when I look at posts like these, it makes me think it is truer every time.

                                            [–]boolabula 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I'm a girl and thought this sub was funny awhile ago. Like that video of the cop calling the girl ugly.

                                            But lately its really anti-women in general. And the comments are of guys complaining about women. Guess I should leave.

                                            [–]stunkrunket [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            There was a theory that bounced around suggesting that parties interested in this subs removal has taken control of it and will try to make this place hate filled so that they have places to point at when they say that people hate women and that they are being suppressed or whatever it is. Now when I look at posts like these, it makes me think it is truer every time.

                                            It's pretty hard to imagine the insane mental gymnastics to conclude a website with subs like the red pill and the donald isn't providing you with plenty of real douchebags to ruin this sub. No, those hundreds of redditors from those other trashy subs are all faking it every day so they can give "pussypassdenied" a bad name. Are you for real?

                                            [–]alanbright 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            This sounds really dumb.

                                            [–]PapsmearAuthority [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            Is there any evidence for that theory or is it just people trying to somehow blame SJWs for everything, even women-hate. Because it sounds a lot less likely/less simple than the alternative. Not like it isn't happening in other subs, too

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                                              [–]stunkrunket [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                              I miss when this sub was mostly posts about women actually trying to use their pussy pass and getting denied. Lately it feels like this sub has turned into just an anti women sub or an alternative sub for the red pill.

                                              The upvote button says "Up Cunts" when you click on it and your "mod message" says "We love when you whinny fucks come here. Hit the report button on OPs post more. We just ignore them and post them here later for shits and giggles"...but I guess I don't know what the halcyon days were like.

                                              I'm just going to throw this out there though. If you create a sub solely to watch women get "denied," you're going to attract douchebags and misogynists in large numbers. And let me tell you, this sub is fucking FULL of douchebags.

                                              [–]OverEasyGoing [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                              Yeah, I'm out. It's just angry dudes spilling over from mensrights now.

                                              [–]fox112 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Shit like this does not help gender differences at all.

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                                                [–]crybannanna 241 ポイント242 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                If women truly got paid 77% of men, for the same work, then all companies would hire women only and save a shit ton of money.

                                                Why don't any of them do this? Because either the disparity is not that great, or there is a financial upside to hiring men for that extra amount. Companies do not become global powerhouses by intentionally wasting 23% of their payroll budget without getting something in return for that investment.

                                                It's so obviously untrue, that I can't believe it's so universally accepted as truth.

                                                The data isn't false, women do make less than men, but that's due to the industries women work in being lower paying. This is a problem of women having barriers to entry in certain levels (glass ceiling) or even some entire industries... not less pay for the same job. It's that they aren't doing the same jobs either by choice or by barriers outside their control.

                                                For instance, the finance industry isn't particularly welcoming to women. It's a "boys club" and harder for women to break into and rise up in this industry. It also happens to be a high paying industry, which itself could account for the entire income gap. I say this as someone with female relatives who have chosen to work in finance and have risen quite high.... but not as high as their male counterparts who started at the same time and have largely identical career paths (to a point). Not that they complain, because they make a ton... but they aren't blind.

                                                [–]k-otic14 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                In reality it's a decision based earning gap, not a discrimination based wage gap. The numbers are real, the interpretation is wrong.

                                                [–]AtomicKittenz 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                There are also a ton more factors like how men will request a raise or negotiate salary much more often then women. Men will also take overtime much more often then women as well. They also are likely not to take paternal leave or have minimal maternal leave.

                                                [–]Farisr9k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                The actual 77% figure came from a flawed study from the 1970s that just looked at what men earn and what women earn on the whole across the population.

                                                They did not control for industry, for role, for hours, for ANYTHING.

                                                When you DO control for those things - the gap goes from 23% to about 1.5% - 2%. That makes a lot more sense doesn't it?

                                                So yes, there is a gap. It's not nearly as dramatic as people think but there is a gap.

                                                And it comes from quite nuanced societal constructs like what you raised in your comment.

                                                I hate the 77% myth because it directs the conversation in an unhelpful way.

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                                                  [–]crybannanna 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  That isn't entirely true, but accounts for a large portion of the disparity.

                                                  As I said, the finance industry does tend to favor men. They don't pay men more for the same work, but they are more open to hiring men and promoting them to higher levels. This dynamic is changing, but it isn't an entirely fair playing field.

                                                  And I would add that this isn't through some malicious intent on the part of the companies at play. It's merely that the higher ups are men, and when they hire people they tend to favor men. It's like minded individuals doing this in unison, unintentionally. It has the effect of making the industry more hostile to women, in some respects. I know a pervasive fear regarding hiring women is that they might become pregnant and it will effect their future performance. Really it's just that a lot of the higher ups are old dudes, who haven't changed with the times. As the old guard changes hands, this will by and large fix itself.

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                                                    [–]LawBot2016 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    The parent mentioned Glass Ceiling. Many people, including non-native speakers, may be unfamiliar with this word. Here is the definition:(In beta, be kind)

                                                    A glass ceiling is a metaphor used to represent an invisible barrier that keeps a given demographic (typically applied to women) from rising beyond a certain level in a hierarchy. The metaphor was first coined by feminists in reference to barriers in the careers of high-achieving women. In the US, the concept is sometimes extended to refer to obstacles hindering the advancement of minority women, as well as minority men. Minority women often find the most difficulty in "breaking the glass ceiling" because they lie at the intersection of two ... [View More]

                                                    See also: Barriers To Entry | Upside | Payroll | Extra | Identical | Glass | In Being | Metaphor | Barred

                                                    Note: The parent poster (crybannanna or somenamestaken) can delete this post | FAQ

                                                    [–]Claytertot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Same with the engineering, technology, and computer science industries. A degree in engineering is one of the highest paying bachelors degrees you can get for example and there are way, WAY more male engineering majors than females. That is certainly a societal thing, but female engineers make the same as male engineers.

                                                    [–]RagerzRangerz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    It's not barriers to entry. If you apply to the same job as a female, engineering firms will snap you up for diversity. I noticed it all starts at school. I know plenty of smart women who were good at maths/physics but very few actually went to pursue a career in it but rather were more interested in biology and chemistry.

                                                    [–]smoketillisleep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                    Applications to academic STEM positions with a woman's name get less callbacks than an identical application with a man's name. Your anecdotes about what you think the realities of getting a job as a woman are don't trump actual studies.

                                                    Edit (source): http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474

                                                    [–]crybannanna 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    It's sort of a cycle. Because few women choose these careers, those that do are at a disadvantage.

                                                    It's a known phenomenon where people select those who most resemble themselves when hiring and promoting. It is subconscious bias, but it is reasonable. When filling a position, who better than oneself. Failing that, you are drawn to the person who you most see yourself in. Considering people only have moments to make this determination, physical resemblance often plays a large, albeit subconscious, role. This same subconscious bias is a factor with racial issues as well.

                                                    Though I believe it is being chipped away at. The desire for corporate diversity, a relatively new trend, has undoubtedly had an effect. What is historically effected by subconscious bias is now balanced by a conscious effort to have a more balanced corporate workplace, representative of the customer and community. I tend to think this is a good trend, though I understand some people's resistance to it. Sometimes it can seem forced.

                                                    [–]somenamestaken[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Very well put

                                                    [–]violetdaze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    News flash, every industry is a "boys club". I beg you, point out 5 companies that are run and founded by women.

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                                                      [–]Toonlinkuser 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      *tips fedora

                                                      [–]PostyMcPostface 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (84子コメント)

                                                      There was a video that posed a compelling argument why the 77% wage gap is a myth. I tried referring to it to win an argument, but couldn't find it. Could any of you find Redditers help me locate this video?

                                                      [–]k-otic14 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      NPR did an interview with a feminist economist from Harvard about how the wage gap is not based on discrimination. Just google NPR wage gap to find I'm on mobile and lazy

                                                      [–]kineada989 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      http://www.npr.org/2016/04/12/473992254/on-equal-pay-day-why-the-gender-gap-still-exists

                                                      [–]movieman56 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Tldr; Female economist agrees originally women were paid more due to discrimination, and that now the pay Gap is due to circumstances like taking more days off and generally wanting more flexibility in work schedules to accommodate families. She also states if they had the numbers they would likely see the same outcome for men making less money that are also raising families and want the same variables.

                                                      [–]ThisCruHasACaptain 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                      This one is very informative

                                                      [–]slyweazal 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      Anything from a source that won't get me laughed at?

                                                      [–]thesingingnerd 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                      Ew, PragerU? That's like posting DailyKos. Not reputable in the slightest, even if they do occasionally slip in a fact or two. I say that as a conservative.

                                                      [–]Saskyle 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                      That may be true, however Christina Hoff Summers is very smart and tells it like it is.

                                                      [–]LuisN 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                      She works for a conservative think tank bruh. She's not telling it like it is, she is literally getting paid to tell it like it isn't.

                                                      [–]Saskyle 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                      I don't understand what you think she or a conservative think tank will stand to gain from this if it is false. Conservative is just a label anyways which is often misconstrued in the U.S. If it was a liberal think tank would that be okay then?

                                                      [–]LuisN 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                      Namely, there are some policies in place that prevent discrimination in pay. Think tanks, as an arm of capital, would like these laws to be loosened, not hightened, and this can be achieved by convincing people it doesn't matter. Also Christine Sommers gets paid to speak at colleges, and release books on this issue.

                                                      I am firmly pro-worker, and I would gladly trade the 77% liberal argument, with the 10% pay capital is giving you for the full value of your labor, but that's not part of the current dialogue so what are you gonan do except side with the libs.

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                                                            [–]Cairo9o9 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                            People are misunderstanding the stat. No one is saying that if you're working the same job as a man but you're a woman you're getting paid 77 cents on the dollar. That is illegal. They're saying that on average women, as a whole, earn 77% of what men on average, as a whole, earn.

                                                            Women's median yearly earnings (which is used by the Census Bureau to calculate its gap includes bonuses, while the Bureau of Labor Statistics uses weekly earnings which does not[9]) relative to men's rose rapidly from 1980 to 1990 (from 60.2% to 71.6%), and less rapidly from 1990 to 2000 (from 71.6% to 73.7%) and from 2000 to 2009 (from 73.7% to 77.0%). (Source)

                                                            I'm not taking a side in this argument, I just want to clarify the statement.

                                                            [–]SubtleMockery 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            People are misunderstanding the stat. No one is saying that if you're working the same job as a man but you're a woman you're getting paid 77 cents on the dollar. That is illegal. They're saying that on average women, as a whole, earn 77% of what men on average, as a whole earn.

                                                            Right, but people... certain people... are PRESENTING it as it women are paid less for the same work. They're being disingenuous.

                                                            [–]bugme143 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Feminists who whine about their job mis-represent the 77 cent thing as "77 cents per dollar for the same job".

                                                            [–]RagerzRangerz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            The statistic is useless. It's average female wage vs average male wage when they're not working the same jobs or hours.

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                                                                [–]PestilentOnion 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                AntiFemComics? Seriously?

                                                                [–]Broboat_Girlymayn 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                Has this place just turned into another anti-sjw, red pill, pile of shit?

                                                                [–]TheBasedDoge17 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Talk about beating a dead horse

                                                                [–]llama_person 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                r/theredpill

                                                                [–]moonmixer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                Just in case this is seen as promotion and you don't know what this subreddit is: don't fucking spend too much time there. It is not good for you. The abyss stares back into you and all that jazz.

                                                                [–]leithz6 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                Ew fuck that place

                                                                [–]Owenh1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                Now theres one of the biggest sexist shitholes on reddit. Some of the shit i have read on there is just vile. Anyone who uses that sub should be ashamed to associate themselves witb such blatant human cockroaches.

                                                                [–]fapmaster2003 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                So what is it? Does the wage gap exist and benefits men, or does it not exist and women are just bitching. You retards do understand that you can't have it both ways.

                                                                [–]somenamestaken[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                The truth of it is, on average, men are making more money than women. This is due to men working more dangerous, higher paying jobs, men working more hours, men taking more risks, men staying in the workforce instead of leaving for family purposes, etc. The myth is that women are somehow being exploited or underpaid.

                                                                [–]Phenylketoneurotic 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                Leaving for family purposes... like, "yay giving birth and raising kids is a blast"?

                                                                [–]Free_Truth 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Yes. Exactly. Having a child is a choice.

                                                                [–]somenamestaken[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I'm sorry? Women baring children is a special and beautiful thing. We all have mothers. But if you choose to have a family and leave the work force, you can't call me a chauvinist because you lower the statistics for female wages.

                                                                [–]PM_ME_WORKING_PAPERS 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Even adjusting for those factors (and more) there is a 5% gender pay gap.

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                                                                    [–]CartmanBrahhhh 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Just curious...if i were a male escort, do the rules apply the same ? Could i get a following of people because i complain i dont make as much.

                                                                    [–]madfrogurt 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    Christ, you guys are assholes.

                                                                    This comic does nothing but express the idea that as men, we inherently deserve more money than women.

                                                                    [–]DDS8395 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Implying women don't have burdens is just as ridiculous as the wage gap myth

                                                                    [–]wolfmeister3001 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                    I don't think this applies to every industry and workplace

                                                                    [–]Trump_For_Janitor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    While this is true as a whole.... don't shoot down a woman instantly... because at smaller companies... they often get paid less. At "legitimate" companies the meme is correct, but there are plenty of companies that still screw over women. Not prevelent anymore... but you WILL one day end up with your foot in your mouth.

                                                                    [–]menoum_menoum 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                    Wow this sub is a shit-hole.

                                                                    [–]mearry 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    I fucking hate discussions about the wage gap because everyone makes it so simple. Yes. There is a disparity for how women are paid in comparison to men. Instead of telling people to shut up about it why can't we have a nuanced discussion about why it's actually a really complicated issue??

                                                                    [–]somenamestaken[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    That would be nice.

                                                                    [–]mearry 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Don't act like this comic is adding nuance to the topic. It gives a bunch of stresses that supposedly only men deal with (according to the comic), and it ignores the way women have historically been treated in the workplace that still affects us to this day.

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                                                                        [–]Sellasella123 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        Lets not pretend women have no other disadvantages.

                                                                        [–]deltorax 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Is this now /r/womenhate?

                                                                        [–]an_ennui 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                        The US Department of Labor would say otherwise. So far I’ve only heard “this is a myth” on Reddit; actual statistics seem to say otherwise (yes, these take industries and many factors into account).

                                                                        [–]Pyro_Techno 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        This sub, while it says it doesn't hate women in the sidebar, really seems to hate women

                                                                        [–]plaidmellon[🍰] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Yup. It's sad how the further you dive into some subs the more hate you find, especially against women.

                                                                        Adam Savage said it best at the end of his Moth story:

                                                                        "Thing you gotta understand, bud, is the internet hates women.

                                                                        And I recognize that there’s probably those out there thinking that’s an incredibly broad brush to paint the internet with, but let me put it this way. If you could look into someone’s brain the way that you search the internet, and the internet was a dude, that dude has a problem with women."

                                                                        https://themoth.org/stories/talking-to-my-kids-about-sex-in-the-internet-age

                                                                        [–]bigblackcuddleslut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                        It didn't used to be this way.

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                                                                          [–]LickNipMcSkip 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          The US Department of Labor would say otherwise

                                                                          It's a blog, written by a woman, that only makes unsupported assertions and circular reasoning. Some of the hyperlinks that they use to "support" these assertions don't even lead anywhere.

                                                                          actual statistics The earnings gap.

                                                                          The link that you gave doesn't account for leaves and overtime. Not only that, but both links you gave cherry pick studies that seem to be made to fit a narrative, that is that they set out to prove that it exists and even say so.

                                                                          Despite

                                                                          the

                                                                          evidence

                                                                          otherwise

                                                                          If a woman costs so much less than a man, why do men even have jobs in the first place? There has to be some kind of financial gain for hiring a man over a woman if this salary gap exists.

                                                                          [–]SubtleMockery 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                          The "myth", as has been stated everywhere here, is that an individual woman is paid less than an individual man for the same job, with the same credentials and experience. That is illegal.

                                                                          Women as a whole earn 77% of the money men as a whole earn. For a whole myriad of reasons. Some sexist, most not.

                                                                          [–]AATroop 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          for women, but when all external factors have been adjusted for, there still exists a gender pay gap in many situations (between 4.8% and 7.1% according to one study).

                                                                          From Wikipedia on the wage gap.

                                                                          When you adjust for external factors (maternity, benefits, child support, etc), the gap is much smaller. In fact, some studies aren't even sure there is a gap because 5% isn't really accountable.

                                                                          Now, if you have an objective measurement for discrimination besides one woman in California, then I'd love to hear it. Until then, the wage gap is overblown. Not to mention it's likely not going to result in women being paid more, but men being paid less (while still ignoring external factors).

                                                                          [–]Baconskull 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          First off, this was filed in a blog, not the actual Department of Labors official statement. Secondly, pay is based off of merit and experience. That blog starts off by saying that more women have bachelor's degrees than men do. But in what field? Certain jobs pay certain wages. You can not expect to make more than someone else just because you have a degree. You need skills and actual knowledge of your craft. A male who decides to major in aerospace engineering is obviously going to make more than a female who majored in education. And in the same way, a female with an aerospace engineering degree will earn more than a male with a degree in education. The, "statistic," that is most often quoted takes the average of all women's pay, and the average of all men's pay, then puts them side by side. More men dominate in the fields that pay more. My supervisor where I work is a female. She has a degree, and is working on a second. She works long hours, she voluntarily is on call 24/7. She has 10 more years of experience than I do. And she makes exponentially more money than I do. Pay is based on what the company believes you are worth. And you have to negotiate that price. If you accept a job that pays less without trying to negotiate more, then that is your fault. Not the employers fault.

                                                                          [–]TheChronographer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Just FYI, none of the sources you linked corrected even for the most basic of "How many hours did the person work?" in the 20-30% gap figure quoted in 'the myth'. For example, sources in your third link state: "While a portion of this gap can be explained by various factors, an apples-to-apples comparison looking at workers one year out of college and controlling for factors known to affect earnings, such as major, occupation, and hours worked reveals there is still an unexplainable 7 percent gender pay gap."

                                                                          I am not 100% familiar with US department of Labor stats, but I believe they count everyone working 35 or more hours as full time. So if, for sake of argument, men work 45 hours per week and women worked 36 hours per week this would account for a huge portion of the 'wage gap'.

                                                                          I recently got into a Facebook argument with a friend due to a similar confusion. They shared an article which stated that 'women in Iceland make 18% less than men'. But the sources they linked showed that women earned 18% less, and worked 20% less due to working less hours (even when comparing 'women full time to male full time workers'). I agree with you that there are issues, for example more men do engineering and engineering is paid more than nursing, but I believe using manipulated statistics is misleading and hurts the cause of income equality for women.

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                                                                            [–]Crowsby 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            /r/pussypassdenied is not for misogynists, racists, or otherwise douchy types of individuals.

                                                                            No hating women in the he-man woman hater's club!

                                                                            [–]Whydidideletemyaccou 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            Alright, please ban me from this sub.

                                                                            I'm not sure what cruel woman made you hate them all, but you're an idiot if you believe this shit. Not sure why this sub has such a vendictive spirit.

                                                                            [–]Szos 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                                                            For the millionth time, there is no wage gap when apples are compared to apples.

                                                                            For the same job at the same level of experience, wages between men and women are essentially the same. It's not men's fault that women willingly choose to become nurses instead of doctors, social workers instead of engineers, secretaries instead of lawyers. And it's also no men's fault if a woman chooses to drop out of the workforce for 5 years to pop out some kids. That puts a woman 5 years behind the curve in terms of experience compared to a man of the same age in the same field.

                                                                            Stop the bullshit. Stop pretending that there is a wage gap.

                                                                            [–]Insamity 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                            You just admitted there is a wage gap. Just because aspects of it are explainable doesn't mean it isn't there. You should be asking why women go predominantly into low paying jobs and why some of these jobs are low paying when they are very important? It is likely largely influenced by society and expectations.

                                                                            [–]SubtleMockery 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            There's no "Shadow Council" who sits in a room and sets wages for each job. Besides there being a minimum wage.

                                                                            It's based on market forces and negotiation.

                                                                            Men, for whatever reason, on average choose to take more extremely physically demanding or far more dangerous jobs. Those jobs are usually paid better, because, who'd a guessed it, they're extremely physically demanding or far more dangerous.

                                                                            Yes, a lot of those jobs are not actually doable by women (though that category is shrinking). But that's not the fault of men as a group.

                                                                            [–]Szos 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Don't take my post out of context.

                                                                            There is no SEX based wage gap.

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                                                                                [–]Del_Castigator 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                /r/justneckbeardthings

                                                                                [–]DaveLarge 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Women complained that they were not paid enough at a place I worked once and they had to reevaluate all the jobs in the plant according to DILHR rules. Women did light assembly sitting down at tables in a clean area. Men had to stand all day, lift more, were responsible for more valuable equipment and prevent its damage, had to conform to more safety rules, handled dangerous substances worked with dirty materials and had to fill out daily reports on what they did. Women were found to be adequately compensated and all the men received raises.

                                                                                [–]XephyrOfficial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                my favorite point to bring up with those people is: If a man and a woman both work minimum wage, they both get paid minimum wage.

                                                                                [–]Its_Your_Father 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                Weren't there more recent, less flawed studies that showed the gender wage gap is really within 5% or so when you adjust for all the factors?

                                                                                [–]silenthanjorb 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                There is no wage gap, there is an earning gap

                                                                                [–]surp_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                This kinda makes it seem like women actually get paid less for the same work that men do. I get (and agree with) the sentiment but this comic doesn't get the point across at all imo

                                                                                [–]somenamestaken[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Does it look like those two horses are doing the same work?

                                                                                [–]JoePesciOfGoneFishin 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                The horse on the right has a bunch of saddles and one of them says "Different career choices." That's an advantage, not a disadvantage.

                                                                                [–]shiapill 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                the inside story on you young facists is a lot of you ended up in shock humour/lonely dude forums that nazi recruiters joined its not a fucking puzzle all the history is on the sites there you crossed ur nerdy hobbies with ur nerdy resentment Bunch fucking nerds with your dipshit teenage beefs probably started with a resentment of woman who won't speak to you and now you think you have become POl radicalized So how did it happen how did you become a fucking nazi? A bunch of real nazis whisper poison in your ears while becoming your only community - your only "friends" And they used multiples levels to make irony and bigotry more acceptable by drowning it in "oh were just joking" So you combine all this w/ capitalising on isolated nerd dude resentment & even deeper isolation bam nazi you can talk to any former "chan" boy & they can tell you how it went from "shitty shock humour" to "whites supremacist recruitment" The only "lol only norms care about hurting others attitude" + the general nerdy male resentment of these communities Its prime fertile ground for actual nazis to grow. People talk about pol, but you need to see the various communities converge R9k's "why won't woman fuck me" bs "anything goes & anyone who gets mad is just a normie" vs endless outbursts of anger at everything Pol here becomes less of an isolated phenomenon and more of a natural end point for all these circles crashing into one another & pol, also being its own thing menas it it rolled back into those communities amplifying your worst aspect then roll it back into pol So essentially you have an online pressure cooker to turn you typical teenage nerdy bullshit into honest to god facism

                                                                                [–]Archibald_Andino -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Let's say you have an equally qualified guy and a gal both doing the same job with the same metrics in terms of productivity... should they get paid the same? Yes. Of course. Exactly zero people disagree with this. However, now let's say that same male employee demonstrates a positive attitude, great team player, always helping others and so on... while the female has a poor attitude, constantly complains, brings the whole team down, chip on her shoulder, toxic in spite of her equal productivity. According to feminists, you still must pay her the same as her male counterpart because otherwise you are guilty of gender-based discrimination. Only a male in this situation can be dealt with without fear of a discrimination claim. Pussy pass extravaganza.

                                                                                [–]Random420eks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                different career choices

                                                                                Should be the biggest and most prominent

                                                                                [–]Diabeticon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Does that box on the top say "MORE OVALTINE"? I don't get any at my work.

                                                                                [–]yosoyellogan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                If you control for variables, it's an 8% wage gap

                                                                                [–]deltorax 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                That's actually still a really high amount.

                                                                                What variables?

                                                                                [–]yosoyellogan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Education, experience, time employed at that specific place, age and a couple others iirc

                                                                                [–]Dioxinis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                would be a good comic if the wage gap werent a myth anyway

                                                                                [–]Draxchir 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                For some people ITT: If I was a business owner and knew that I could get away with paying women 77c on the dollar to men, why wouldn't I have an all female staff....come at me

                                                                                [–]somenamestaken[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I said it earlier in this thread. Here it is again:

                                                                                The wage gap as it's being taught -- $0.77/$1.00 does not actually take into account the difference in choice and other factors:

                                                                                Children and family is a big one. Women spending time away from the work force to raise families.

                                                                                Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, so they naturally pay more.

                                                                                Men are far more likely to work in higher-paying fields and occupations (by choice, this is not saying that women do not as well, statistically they are just less likely to do so).

                                                                                Men work in less desirable locations.

                                                                                Men work longer hours than women do.

                                                                                Men are more likely to work on weekends.

                                                                                Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization.

                                                                                On the flip side there is a good amount of evidence where women are excelling in the workplace:

                                                                                Unmarried women who don't have children actually earn more than unmarried men.

                                                                                Women in the tech field tend to have higher incomes than their male counterparts.

                                                                                The truth of it is, it's not based on discrimination, it's more based on personal choice.

                                                                                [–]ShiningConcepts 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                Not a ppd but definitely a truism.

                                                                                [–]Commentariot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                This is garbage

                                                                                [–]BLT1973 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                The wage gap is a myth.

                                                                                [–]JHallPBall 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                the thing is, it doesn't exist at all, so this cartoon is pointless

                                                                                [–]DDS8395 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                https://youtu.be/wjWBXbGVyQU

                                                                                [–]PasteeyFan420LoL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                This isn't even what the real conversation about the wage gap is about. When you control for most factor men and women make about the same amount of money in the same jobs. The issue with the wage gap is that men tend to dominate the most high paying positions in most fields.

                                                                                [–]Asha108 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                ITT concern trolls crying about how they're going to leave a subreddit they've never participated in

                                                                                Don't let the door hit you on the way out 👋🏿👋🏿👋🏿

                                                                                [–]ak40keven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Wage gap doesn't exist. Earnings gap has nothing to do with discrimination either.

                                                                                [–]reddit_lies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Wow, that "Different career choices" baggage must really be weighing the male horse down

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