Expansion Cost Megathread

Jarmanien · 2時間前

Hey everyone, thread's been up for two hours so i went ahead and changed the suggested sort to "new" so everyone's opinion can be seen. Be sure to check "best" as well to see what your fellow players think

Lazukin · 2017-04-12T23:11:09+00:00

Just always do arena instead of buying packs. Sure you'll suck for a good while but arena is great this patch and you'll get good soon enough. If you want the easy route just use heartharena.com, or I'm sure there are many similar websites that'll practically build your deck for you. I have over 500 arenas played and still use it just as an easy way to track my synergies and CC etc.. playing arena also makes you a lot better at deckbuilding and you can make some really cool decks without the card limit. Always fun trying to make a dragon deck etc.

I'm f2p and have not once had a problem getting cards (I get 2-5 legendaries per patch, and most/all epics, all rares and commons). I only play 8-10ish hours per month.

BuckFlizzard23 · 2017-04-12T23:10:40+00:00

It would not be so bad, if the game was at least good.

Shroomite · 2017-04-12T23:10:31+00:00

Not going to say much on this... But I just crafted a golden rogue deck for wild and it cost me well over 15k dust. Worth it, yes. Unfortunately, it cost a lot of my cards. Let's just say I've spent way more than I'd like on this game. 🤔

Gazrael957 · 2分前

As a F2P player, after re-installing about halfway through old-gods, I'd just about finally caught up: I had enough cards to make 2 or 3 tier 1 or 2 decks and was making rank 10. Now I can't play a single one. It's true that I have enough dust to buy a legendary, but a single quest does not make a deck...I feel stuck in limbo.

Couple this with quests all giving 40 gold, and I can afford an arena run every 2 days if I'm lucky...then you get some common card as a random reward.

asher1611 · 3分前

Un'goro was the first expansion i did not preorder or purchase a bunch of card packs in the first week or so. I am from the us, so price change didn't effect me. But the lack of value for my dollar is making me speak with my wallet.

Admittedly, i am having more fun in un'goro right now than at any time during mean streets or Kara. But i don't foresee myself buying packs with money. Not when my cards are eventually going to be slung into a format i have no interest in. Especially when i do not have the time to play enough games to even attempt pushing for legend. Especially when quests are locked to legendaries and legendaries are so rare.

So at least my interest in the game has been rekindled. Silence priest is fun. I'll keep my eyes on other decks.

But i don't foresee spending another dime on this game.

Duscon · 3分前

I always liked the adventure expansions because I knew my money and gold invested will guarantee me all the cards in the new set. The way packs work, you have to spend tons more to get a chance to try the new quest cards. I can't afford to drop money on packs every expansion, and it leaves me not even wanting to play having to go up against the new and interesting cards while having my whole collection gutted with the sets that rotated out. I have no motivation to play for free, and I have no money to pay to play.

bkdasjh · 7分前

Nice, another megathread where u/bbrode can leave his head in the sand

zombiesatthebeach · 9分前

I love this game but I only hate the fact that I spent around $60-75 bucks a year only to have my cards be useless, yes i understand that there is wild, no i don't dare ever want to play it. With adventures out of the picture the game is getting really expensive now, its gotten to a point where i didnt even bother buying pack(s) this expansion but been using my dust to create netdecks. I refuse to buy packs anymore, now that ive gotten decent at arena, I have no reason to. I know $60-75 bucks isnt a lot to some of you but i can only imagine being more annoyed spending more. They gotta implement daily logins...

jakehwho · 10分前

I think it would be fair to get full dust refund when you get a double legendary, rather than the pathetic 400 dust you normally receive. It's seriously insane the amount of times I've got double legendary's.

SleepyLynx89 · 11分前

The only way to push the community's voice is a sustained boycott. We must inform others to not purchase any packs with real money and we ourselves must abstain from spending a single dime on it. Start a campaign and awareness page at at local hearthstone Facebook pages, tweet about it, do SOMETHING. If blizzard doesn't feel the burn, all our venting here will lead to nowhere!

DotMerit · 11分前

Mods are shills. Megathreads stifle discussion. Other post was front page of all and got locked.

ferrara44 · 12分前

Guys, consider Amonkhet prereleases next weekend and go play some MTG.

Where I live playing magic is cheaper for me than playing hearthstone. Let that sink in.

Hearthstone would have given me less cards than magic for the same money. That's just insane.

Waldoinho · 12分前

How is it even possible that the brawl pack is a classic pack the week after an expansion release?!

megalomanx · 12分前

The game is free to play. Getting everything you want costs money. What world do you live in where you feel that you should get everything you want for free? People win ftp both arena and ladder, so this isn't about winning. The complaints are about whether or not you get every card you want to complete the hot netdeck. I for one wish that Blizzard would charge more money for everything. Then people would just focus on having fun.

tunaburn · 14分前

as someone that has been playing since beta. I have bought the 50 packs every expansion. Ive bought all the adventures. So ive invested quite a bit of cash. hundreds of dollars. This is the first expansion I feel that I did not get enough of the important cards to play the more competitive decks. Im not sure why as the legendary count is basically the same. Maybe because it does feel like most the high tier decks are using multiple legendaries from each class out of this expansion? I mean from my 58 packs I opened opening day I got 1 legendary and it was the paladin quest. Not so good... I used all my dust and got the druid quest and the rogue quest but I regret it. And even after $50 and the earned packs and all my saved dust I got really 2 top tier decks worth of stuff.

ImprobableIT · 14分前

Yugioh duel links has a box release with a set number of each card and as you buy packs those numbers decrease. Once you obtain enough packs you are guaranteed to get all the cards in the box.

Bitcoin_Chief · 17分前

Personally I have no problem with the cost of the expansions. I stopped playing because I hate the adventures. I love playing against people, I hate playing against bots. I refuse to pay money for the privilege of playing a game I hate even if it is required to play a game I love.

I'd pay twice as much to not have to play inane games against bots.

Ilikegreenpens · 18分前

I honestly don't think anything is going to change. They haven't done hardly anything to help in the past so I don't see that changing anytime soon.

SquilliePlays · 18分前

I purchased ungoro before release and I can play only a fraction of the decks I'd like to play. I'd be happy to drop a little more money if it meant that I could play some more decks but it wont. I'll probably not get any cards I need. I only got 1 quest card opening 75 packs and one other legendary. Feels so bad paying £35 but not being able to access half of the ungoro content. I am not financially hard up at all but I don't want to spend hundreds to access a game in full. The financial model of the game is so broken right now. I see all these fun competitive decks online but cannot build any of them even though I've bought the game.

fuzzwang · 21分前

I think if everyone got the quests for free once the expansion came out (like they did with C'thun) there would be much less of an issue. The sheer number of legendaries in this expansion are the biggest issue.

Moogzie · 21分前

I was fine with it when it was xpac - adventure - xpac

But back to back expansions? it's crippling

The saddest thing is you dont even get to be excited about golden pulls when they do happen once in a blue moon, since if youre not d/eing that shit you wont get anywhere

Fever3 · 22分前

Well, I know one thing. This is the first expansion in which I'm looking at the cards thinking "I'm not even gonna try". Yeah I do have some dust for stuff that went to hall of fame, but it will only take me so far, and any ungoro legendary is worse than classic legendaries I lost, because I could always throw them in my standard decks.

kyurah · 24分前

I spent hundreds of dollars playing at release, never made legend but made rank 2-4 for the first few seasons. I really want to start playing again but I look at what it costs for me to be remotely competitive again and fuck that. I tried to get into shadowverse because it's cheaper but it just isn't the same and now I just don't play ccgs.

robzonpl · 25分前

I've been a casual player since the game launched on Android (a bit over 2 years) and I've spent nearly $1000 on it over that time. Even with this kind of investment I can never get all the cards I need to build a deck I want (not to mention competitive decks you can find online).

Of course, it's f2p and I can just win my way to all the cards I need. The problem is I can't spend 4 hours a day collecting gold to buy enough packs to get those cards.

There's no 3rd option. Either drop a ton of money or a ton of time to have a chance achieving reasonable levels.

It's much, much cheaper to get competitive decks in Magic than this. The only reason I picked Hearthstone over MtG is that MtG community in my city sucks and it's super small overall.

So I've decided to not spend any more money on Hearthstone until they fix the economics of the game (from players perspective that is). Until then I'll just build crappy decks and have a win rate of 10%. At some point I'll get bored and quit the game altogether.

Yes, Blizzard can do whatever they want, price the game however they want. I just think they're gonna kill the game long-term with their current policies - their recent drop in sales is the best sign of it.

reason78 · 26分前

What about a subscription-based model?

Pay X dollars per month for access to all the cards, non-gold.

I can't afford this game... I bought the pack promo for Un'Goro and got crap packs and realized that I would have to spend hundreds of dollars to get all the cards I wanted to be able to enjoy the game. Either that or F2P and I have a full-time job and stuff I like to do besides grind all night.

I've basically decided to quit HS until Blizzard makes it more affordable, and less of a hassle to get cards. I'll still watch streamers, but there's no enjoyment for me to play if I have to work so hard just to get the cards to maybe try to be competitive and I refuse to pay the money required to get these cards.

I would easily pay $20/month for access to all the cards. Maybe more.

DoctorWaluigiTime · 26分前

Dear mods, Please don't do this in the future. It's the antithesis of fostering actual discussion, and kills a lot of momentum of organically-grown threads that are actually discussing the topic.

beandip24 · 27分前

Gotta be honest, this is the last expansion I will pay money for. There is no reason to. Spend $50 to get 1/4 of the cards from the expansion? No thanks. Especially when I need 3-4 legendaries to stay remotely competitive with one deck!

HopingtoGetaCoolName · 27分前

I've been playing hearthstone since beta, I eventually gave up on it before Un goro came out. Because it's insanely difficult to get a decent competitive deck without throwing large sum of money into it.

iusedtobethurst307 · 28分前

I was F2P all the time, but when I head about Un'Goro coming out I stopped playing altogether.

My main goal was always to collect every card in the game, but I just eventually realized that that'd be almost impossible even if I bought a pack a day (which I did do most of the time)

Jonathank5 · 28分前

They should give you additional dust if you disenchanted the card before. Ex: 1 Common is 5 dust, then the next time you disenchant it it goes to 6 dust up to a cap of 15 to avoid some exploits.

TheSummerlin · 32分前

The problem is not the cost of the expansion per se. If this expansion was the only big expansion in 6 months, would be safe to say it was almost ok. The problem is the next expansion being upon us in 3 months, and the players don't have the time to fully collect this expansion before the new one. The system is in place since the time when expansions would just stay in the standard mode. Now, they need to offer more support for new players to jump into the game and for older players to still feel the money they spend on the game is giving the right experience. In my experience this is not the case.

AhrimsBro · 32分前

Back in my day when I complained that Hearthstone was too expensive people always spat the excuses like "You can play 100% f2p! Trump proved it!" and "just play arenas" and even the sarcastic "OH NO you have to pay money for an expansion?"

2 years for the community to finally 180.

drugsrgay · 33分前

Megathreads are the worst and I hate them. Look at the higher upvoted responses for reasons I pretty much all agree with.

kalacaska · 35分前

The game need a free new clasic set or a free expansion maybe 2 paid one free model per year

redditing_1L · 36分前

They could go a long way just by making it so you can't get duplicate legendaries.

I don't need a legend in every pack, or even in every 20 packs, but there's nothing in this game that feels worse than knowing how rare legends are and then pulling the same stupid card multiple times while your collection is incomplete.

Yuck.

SkinBintin · 37分前

Sorry guys, I'm a big part of the problem, but I can't control myself.

I've been vocally pissed off about this expansion and it's cost level creep. But, I still bought more packs today. In fact, I bought 15 classic, 15 whispers and 15 Gadgetzan. Plus 55 more Un'goro. And nothing has changed. I'm still just as pissed off and seeing the exact same crappy return.

So yeah, I'm sorry guys :(

Freakychee · 39分前

I apparently picked the wrong expansion to start playing Hearthstone and buying packs.

DotMerit · 40分前

I guarantee not a single user requested a megathread. Mods are shills.

DotMerit · 41分前

Locking the other thread when it's #13 on all is a pretty stupid decision.

Worldofbirdman · 43分前

Fair enough, but when people cry foul at pricing when the price (again for US only) has not changed since beta, it's hard to take their concerns seriously

anderssi · 44分前

i took a break from hs sometimes after the old gods expansion, till then i had pretty much all of the cards, just missing a unusable legendary here and there. Coming back the game now, with 2 new expansions and karazhan and half of my cards having being rolled out of standard, seems very very expensive. most decks out there use at least a few karazhan cards, so that's a 20€ right there, add to that two whole expansions worth of cards...

I wasn't f2p before, but now i will be, the cost is just too damned high. i have enough dust to craft maybe one gimp deck that is somewhat viable, only missing the uncraftable karazhan cards and that will have to do for now.

Niller1 · 46分前

I still think we should be allowed to complain on normal threads. It is not like blizzard care anyway though.

scott3387 · 47分前

The vanillia comparison is really on point. Also many of the vanilla legendaries were either terrible or jokey fun types. These days most legendaries are usable and many are 'essential'.

To me it's like if the legendaries in wow continued the same as vanilla (took months to get) and then one day they made legendary equipment for every slot and required that you earn them for high end content. Few would be happy having to grind for months to advance in content.

PsYcHoSeAn · 47分前

I wonder if one idea could be to implement a tokensystem for epic and legendary cards.

Example: You open 150 Un'Goro packs and end up with 9 Primordial Drakes.

That's annoying.

So instead you end up with 2 Primordial Drakes, since that's the maximum you can play in one deck, and get 7 tokens instead. Those 7 tokens can then be used to craft other epics (only the normal version ofc). So you end up with 2 Primordial Drakes and 7 epics of your choice.

Same for Legendaries. 3x Warrior Quest? Nah. 1x Warrior Quest and 2 tokens for legendary cards.

At this point i'm not sure they would even lose too much money because we're at a point where they lose more money if they don't think about something cause people will simply stop buying or playing at all cause it's impossible to have the collection needed to be competitive right now unless you spend a fortune.

fraccus · 48分前

I got wayy more lucky this round of pack opening. Ive gotten 4 legendaries in 40 packs now, two awaken the makers (one golden), one lakkari sacrifice, and one hemet. 9 epics. It makes me sonewhat wary to spend money and then finally get fucked by bad RNG.

movingtarget4616 · 49分前

While I wont pretend that I understand the economics of the profit margins Blizzard's department in charge of any of these things knows, I can list a number of metrics I see that could be altered in any single or combination thereof to help alleviate this issue:

The amount of packs per dollar for each tier of purchasing.
The amount of dust for disenchanting.
The dust cost of cards.
The amount of free pack opportunities per week (up from x<1 from Tavern Brawl)
Increase of quest rewards (including full arena runs, more "free pack" quests, a quest for just Dust that amounts to more than the average pack, among other things).
The ability to test run decks (and a new deck each week on tavern brawl release, similar to "f2p character rotations" other games have.
The ability to get the same rares/epics/legendaries in packs (institution of a "more than runable" pity timer*).

The "More than runable" timer would generate a cooldown for each card you would elsewise dust based on its rarity. For example: if you pull a non-golden Warrior Quest, you wouldnt be able to get the same card 22 packs later (at least when you have a majority of other cards not obtained). Since this would affect the total packs purchased, I doubt this would be implemented, but I argue that while "whale customers" would become less lucrative, each individual player is more likely to purchase, and thus increase the success of the game overall.

pigJUSTAman · 49分前

It's just more and more expensive and currency is both money and time. I want to spend money.

For good value.

Worldofbirdman · 49分前

People whine every expansion, there are less neutral legendaries, just twice as any class legendaries which is an issue for cards being used in a variety of decks. Quests aren't even that big of an issue as only a few classes even have competitive ones, and the meta hasn't even settled out so who knows if quests are going to end up being all that viable in the end anyways.

Day 2 hunter quest was used in a lot of posted lists, now people aren't including it as much.

MoldyandToasty · 50分前

Haven't spent any real money yet on Un'goro, although I have thrown a couple hundred bucks at the game through various expansions and adventures, So I'm by no means purely f2p. Went through about 20ish packs at launch, no legendary, and out of gold. Didn't really save for this expansion mostly because I kept opening packs to get the last couple legendaries I wanted from MSoG.

Anyways, long story short, I only crafted 1 legendary, and that was Kalimos, because shaman seems like a safe bet, and I wanted to be able to at least play one new deck! Flash forward to today, just got my very first legendary from this expansion in a pack, the expansion with the most legendaries, and can you guess which one it was?! No it wasn't one of the quests I could try having fun with, nope it was Kalimos, the one and only legendary I had. GG, I think I might just quit, it's been fun, but this is just absurd..

Rather than start up a random thread that'll be ignored, a comment here seemed more apt. If nothing else I just needed to vent some frustrations and disappointment.

ravjjjkkk · 51分前

STOP BUYING THE FUCKING PACKS IF YOU WANT SHIT TO HAPPEN!

VampireSaint · 51分前

I quit playing a little after MSOG came out but came back after UnGoro came out. I dropped $70 on packs, got 1 legendary, and now I have 3 quest decks(rogue, warrior, mage) and a deck for each other class that is at least semi-competitive. I don't see how this is too expensive.

Gankdatnoob · 51分前

It really sucks that such a fantastic expansion has been overshadowed by a terrible f2p model.

I've been ok so far because I had a lot of dust but one more expansion like this one and I will be tapped out. At that point it's hard to justify spending anymore money on it.

I am cool spending $50 an expansion but I gotta see at least 3 legendaries or what's the point?

WhatTheHex · 52分前

Think a big deal why this is coming up now is because they replaced the Adventure cycle with a full exp again. Adventures were cheap and felt great to buy.

BluegrassGoon · 52分前

It has become a bit expensive and it does seem like you do need the quest cards to be competitive. So you know what i did?? I burned all my cards that i dont play that are out of standard and was able to craft what I wanted. I still have some great wild decks. I have played for about 2.5 years and have never, not one time bought packs for real money. I am not at legend rank and will never be but i play every day and it is a lot of fun, blizzard made a great game stop complaining so much and either burn some cards to make new ones or just shut up and stop playing

lunch0guy · 54分前

Many of the people who say "I can't see how people can complain about the cost of this game (former/current mtg player btw)" Don't seem to get that many of the people who play this game do it from the perspective of a person who is accustomed to the prices of video games, not physical card games. The thing is that compared to various other f2p CCGs, Hearthstone is considerably more expensive/less generous. One could argue that those other CCGs are only generous to their playerbase as an incentive to play their game instead of hearthstone, but the way I see it is that if I can be competitive in the other game without spending that much, then it is a better game for competitive play than hearthstone is.

Of course, Hearthstone isn't a competitive game, so they're never going to change their business model unless they start making less money.

sumoboi · 54分前

I really want to try this game but all these posts deter me from downloading it.

Breetai_Prime · 59分前

Many posters correctly mentioned 2 fundamental points.

The sources of the problem is that the economy of the game was made for vanilla.
The new expansion has many more viable legendaries and epics.

The second point I actually thing is a good thing and I would like Blizzard to continue doing this in the future. I hate it when a cool card comes out (like say Major Domo) but it is just too weak to be played, so I can't enjoy it.

Therefore I believe the solution should revolve around the first point - the economy. Many good points have been raised in that direction. However, I think most of them are not broad and encompassing enough. One that I haven't seen so far, is increasing epic and legendary drop rates in packs significantly (by 100% for example). It is just too common to open 5 x 40 dust packs in a row. I think this will be a very elegant solution that will address both F2P and paying players.

Alternatively, they can make make packs cheaper, but if they do that, they have to make it both for F2P and both for paying customers. And again I think a drastic change is needed, like cutting down cost in half. Anyone saying this isn't reasonable, just think of what little % of the expansion you are getting now for 50$, maybe 10-20%. Kripp paid 1000$ and still didn't get all of it, so I think the spot that we are at now is so extreme that cutting prices in half is very reasonable.

As a retroactive solution for Unguro I think they should give all players one free quest card [Edit: that they don't already own], and another one [Edit: that they don't already own] upon opening your 50th Unguro pack (obviously if you already opened 50 packs you would get this immediately). Edit: note this will still leave you with 21 legendaries to collect, not less than any previous set.

Enlight1Oment · 59分前

I honestly don't get these people saying the game is expensive... The game is literally free to play.

Also I'm probably one of the laziest free to play players, I only do the daily quests. I have no issue with the current set, I don't have every fancy card but I have enough for a couple different deck archtypes which is enough to continue playing. I'm not trying to make legend or even the upper ranks. I just play for the dailies and the decks I have are fine for winning with any class (some I might need to go to wild for).

Expensive is based on your expectations for what you wish to achieve at what cost. Lower your expectations and stop trying to be competitive with people who spend more than you. If your goal is to get as high on ladder as you can go, that doesn't really change if you are using shittier cards, just the end number you are assigned at the end of the month.

infinitetesticles · 1時間前

I have nothing much to add, but I just want to say that I agree this game is so fucking expensive now. I really don't want to play it anymore, but it's the only thing my brother and I have in common. But I'm really not enjoying it like before anymore.

EliRed · 1時間前

If you'd like the perceptive of a Greek guy with not a lot of disposable income (for obvious reasons), the changes in release structure and prices have completely killed any remote thought of straight up buying packs, both for me and for all my friends.

We used to be able to grind the gold and dust needed to get a few netdecks going and we bought the adventures, because 20 euros is a reasonable price for getting all their cards and it offered us a respite between major expansions to be able to do dailies and grind. By the end of an expansion+adventure cicle, we were generally able to build almost any deck. Of course we couldn't participate in the extremely fun deck-trial phase that comes at the release of a new full expansion on day 1, but that's a price we were willing to accept for being semi-f2p users (we bought the adventures as I said).

Since the changes, we're starting to give up on the game I think. We could play cheap pirate decks forever, but that's not exactly fulfilling, and all the "fun" decks are extremely expensive. Realistically, now with the number of essential high rarity cards, and the reasonably priced adventure respite having been pulled from under our feet, we're looking at 3 major expansions a year where you "might" be able to build 3 fun decks by the time the next expansion comes along and invalidates them, while you're trying to play endless catch-up. Getting your foot in the door seriously, and enjoying yourself while playing this game, would to my estimate require an investment of at least 100 packs with each expansion.

For us, that's not even an option. Even if I had that kind of money, I'd feel pretty bad spending it on the same game over and over when I can buy 2 brand new AAA games on release and enjoy some variety instead. I didn't preorder Ungoro. I opened 12 packs with gold and got the Priest quest. I made a quest Priest and a pirate Warrior and will only be playing casually when I have nothing else to do. For me (and my friends) this is not worth the huge investment anymore.

(Sorry for the wall of text).

misopolemical · 1時間前

A megathread is a really amazing way to ensure this never gets traction and all the complaints are herded into a small little area. They also completely go against the entire point of Reddit.

Thanks mods! I'm wondering which Blizzard CM contacted you to get this made.

Gomreo · 1時間前

Primarily a Magic: the Gathering player here. I still can't see the expensive part of HS. Can someone help? When did the cost of a single HS deck spike to ~400$? Cuz that starts breaching the realm of "expensive for a hobby".

burningtoast99 · 1時間前

ITT wah wah wah

redxblood · 1時間前

I'm okay with megathreads if need be, but DON'T also delete threads.

It's the fact there are many threads about it that shows visibility. If people want to talk about this, let them.

Kuftubby · 1時間前

Questions from an outsider;

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a digital trading card game correct? What is the issue with having to pay money for booster packs like any other card game (e.g. Magic The Gathering, Pokémon, and Yu-Gi-Oh)? At least this game allows you to "craft" cards for essentially playing the game.

Once again, I'm just an outsider who's only ever played the game once. Just extremely curious what the uproar is about.

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