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[–]spaceyface 236 ポイント237 ポイント  (18子コメント)

It was certainly a gaffe...and a really bad one at that. But this headline?!? Really CNN? Pot calling the kettle

[–]-weinerbutt- [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Pot calling the kettle

...Calling it what?

You racist.

[–]zwiebelsaftRight-wing Libertarian 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Actually, if you look at Cillizza's twitter, he calls out a lot of people about doing Godwin's Law in real life. He kind of looks "autistic" in the process though, since we've been exposed to these comparisons for so long that it just looks normal for anyone to do it under any settings. Hell- gaffe or no gaffe, I'm rolling my eyes at the manufacture of this controversy because of the commonality.

[–]JoshuaSonOfNunConservative Libertarian [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Not you but some people seem to think just by citing Godwin's Law is a legitimate way dismiss any analogy.

In actuality it isn't a good argument, either the analogy is pertinent or it isn't.

I don't like Sean Spicer but given a charitable understanding of what he was trying to say made sense.

[–]Libertyreign [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-espanol-host-compares-donald-trump-to-hitler-accuses-him-of-racism-and-xenophobia/

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The whole MSM is so hypocritical. We all know what he meant, just as we all knew what Chris Matthews meant in 2013 when he said, "Hitler didn't use chemical weapons." Nobody called for his head then (though, funnily enough, he has since used pretty extreme language to compare Trump to Nazis... guess he found that comparison more appropriate).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjAE9Q7Kv6U

Still, Spicer should know there is a giant target on this administration. Choose things carefully because you will never get the benefit of the doubt with these snakes. A press secretary should know better. This is his job.

[–]hystreni [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Giant target? For what I've seen so far they say pretty much anything. Obama got called names and called a Kenyan for doing nothing. So if you mean " A Giant target" is when they say REALLY wierd stuff and people callt hem out on it.

And it is different if the press secratary says something instead of a random reporter or a fringe senator.

[–]Die_Blauen_Dragoner [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like how you inadvertently admit that the people doing this are just as bad as the Kenyan muslim Obama crowd.

[–]BashAtTheBeach96 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When Bill O'Reilly said Maxine Waters looked like she was wearing a James Brown wig CNN called the remark "racially insensitive". Yet they have stories comparing Trump's hair to a bird, moth, and other things much worse than a human being.

[–]groovyfinch 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (11子コメント)

A totally inane headline.

This situation should be a really good opportunity for a journalist to explore why we should stop throwing around casual Hitler references.

That said -- Sean Spicer spoke with incredible idiocy and personally I think this particular mistake is incompatible with his job description. At some point a press secretary has to be accountable for what he says. He has the capacity to do real damage to the administration.

[–]beeeeeeefcake [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

He has also stated twice on TV that the administration is seeking to destabilize Syria.

[–]jonnydanger1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Spicer is supposed to soften the blows not create massive new ones smh.

[–]wolfman1911Boehner thinks I'm the Devil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

After seeing Sean Spicer speak, I miss Tony Snow and Dana Perino so much.

[–]Aemon_Targaryen [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I watched it live. In full context, everyone knew what he meant.

[–]nyneve [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What did he mean? That Assad is worse than Hitler because he used chemical weapons on his own people?

[–]justshitposterthings [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Post WW1 there were international weapons treaties on chemical weapons and even Hitler followed them.

[–]nyneve [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What did he mean? That Assad is worse than Hitler because he used chemical weapons on his own people?

[–]Braxo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I watched him in full context too and all I was thinking was that the term "gassing people" is literally from Hitler.

Then when he was given the opportunity to correct himself, it was hard to parse what he was attempting to say because he kept stumbling over his explanation.

I guess his point was Assad drops chemical bombs and Hitler didn't use chemical weapons that specific way.

He should have just apologized right there and said his analogy was incorrect.

[–]mclovin0075 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

you know what he said right?

[–]augustusmcdingus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Something really dumb that will be forgotten about next news cycle.

[–]e1994 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is absolutely hilarious; and by hilarious, I mean absolutely atrocious.

[–]savebyvarlamov [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

on the other hand it's actually hilarious. And by hilarious, I mean hilarious.

[–]krypt_o [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XvZL69uB8

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-not-adolf-hitler

The above one is funny, because it talks about not calling Trump Hitler, while describing him as Hitler throughout the article.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/mayor-of-madrid-compares-donald-trump-to-hitler-over-immigration-ban/ar-AAmwMUm?li=AAggv0m&srcref=rss

https://trumppresident-melaniatrump.rhcloud.com/archive/sarah-silverman-hitler-on-conan-.html

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/cnn-goes-there-on-trumps-campaign-adolph-hitler-when-he-first-rose-to-power-was-elected/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/anne-frank-donald-trump-adolf-hitler/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mainstream-media-scream-cnn-compares-trump-to-hitler-stalin/article/2604155

https://www.rt.com/usa/333808-trump-hitler-mexican-president/

http://menrec.com/anti-trump-liberal-compares-president-hitler-tucker-carlson-stepped/

I could probably keep going, but I have to go to work.

[–]optionhome[S] 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Was I dreaming about all the lying liberal media references to Trump as hitler. Total fucking hypocrites.

[–]MaddSim 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Nope. I remember Republicans being compared to friggin suicide bombers. Did they ever get the media coverage? Nope. Did they ever apologize? Nope. Granny being thrown off a cliff? We all remember that. Any apologies? Nope. It goes on and on.

[–]Vosswood 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I mean if we're playing devil's advocate, I remember the proposed "end of life counseling" in the ACA being deemed "death panels." Everyone needs to chill with the damn hyperbole

[–]BeachCruisin22 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

If you and three other people need an immediate live-saving procedure, but the available health care is limited/rationed and a bureaucrat group needs to decide who gets that particular care...what do you possibly call it?

[–]IvankasNipple [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

If you and three other people need an immediate live-saving procedure, but the available health care is limited/rationed and a bureaucrat group needs to decide who gets that particular care...what do you possibly call it?

That's not how that works at all. They wouldn't make decisions about individual cases. The panels were to decide or give recommendations to when further procedures shouldn't be performed because they're not beneficial and they're very costly.

[–]BeachCruisin22 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If you have socialized health care, there WILL be rationing. There simply aren't enough doctors, facilities or devices to cover everyone. Demand for medical services will spike through the roof if healthcare is "free". This will cause shortages.

In the case of rationing, there will have to be people from the government who decide things like who gets said care first. That same group of people will also decide that certain people will not get particular care. Other people will have to wait an incredibly long time, and may die in the interim. That is a death panel.

[–]IvankasNipple [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about the ACA.

[–]Tenens [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We have rationing now, too, we just call it "the market". We still have people who need health car when who don't get it. We just see their suffering as acceptable because they aren't able to pay, and we view healthcare through a transactional/capitalist lens.

[–]deathsnuggle 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think you know what death panel means.

[–]troyblefla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, those were absolutely death panels.

[–]IvankasNipple [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The gaffe isn't that he compared him to Hitler. The gaffe is that the holocaust was conducted using poisonous gas. So Hitler did use chemical weapons, and it's that lack of awareness that makes him sound so stupid and causes outrage.

[–]Mancaveaccount [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't do it in politics =/= don't do it in the media.

When a politician compares something to hitler it's a gaffe.

When the media compares something to hitler it's sensationalism.

One is a hard 'no', the other is just salaciousness.

[–]SeaNilly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To be fair it didn't work for them so maybe they're right, but so funny of them to pretend this is some guideline nobody has ever strayed from before

Regardless, Spicer made a fool of himself

[–]mirror_1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"Hitler didn't use chemical weapons!"

Okay, Shouty Spice.

[–]Darth_Stonewall [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hitler didn't use chemical weapons on the battlefield like Assad because even he followed the rules of war

[–]CharlyMarx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Untrue. Look up Kerch and Sevastopol. The Wehrmacht did use gas and it killed about 3500.

[–]LumpyWumpus 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No way. This can't be real. CNN has been calling Trump Hitler for months now. There's no way they are this blind to their own actions.

Edit- had a typo.

[–]SmilingAnus 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/16/cnn-reporter-compares-trump-to-hitler-while-her-boss-buys-obama-photos/

[–]chuff80 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Big difference between a reporter doing it and a member of the government.

[–]DepressedRambo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

True, but also a pretty lame excuse.

Husband gets caught cheating on his wife: "Big difference between me and a member of the government doing it!"

[–]probably2high [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Might be the weakest attempt at a false equivalency ever.

[–]DepressedRambo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So powerful people doing bad things is bad but less powerful people doing bad things is... ok? I'm missing the train of logic on this one.

[–]MeaMaximaCulpa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right? That husband totally should have been impeached.

[–]Dandy-Space-Guy 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolutely zero self awareness

[–]deaglebro 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is really what it boils down to

[–]AxJokes 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where was the outrage on inauguration day when Chris Matthews called Trump's speech "Hitlerian"? I don't remember Nancy Pelosi calling for anyone's resignation then.

[–]TrumpLikesWallsMAGA 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"But but but CNN is such a great unbiased source!"

Liberal Lexicon time:

Unbiased Source: Sources that I agree with

[–]RainDownMyBlues [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No Television "news" source is without a large partisan bias. They run off of advertising, to those that are likely to watch their channel. I'm staunchly in the middle, but see it as it is. Fox news and MSNBC and the rest wouldn't know how to be real journalists if they wanted to.

[–]xsited1 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CNN Anchor Compares Trump To Hitler While Her Boss Buys Obama Photos

[–]Officer_Lockstock95Conservative Libertarian 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The irony here is so thick I could cut it with a cliched comment.

[–]amuricanswede [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you shitting me? So we can compare Trump who's just a fairly slimey business man/politian to Hitler, but comparing a terrible human being who has murdered tons of people to Hitler is completely inappropriate? Huh.

[–]mannix1126 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think he tried his best to take a step back, but it just wasn't a smart comparison to begin with.

[–]8K12 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I predicted this. Liberals calling Trump Hitler are offended when actual murderers are compared to Hitler. smh

[–]puddboy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy who wrote the article is a huge liberal hack. The odds of him calling a conservative 'Hitler' at some point have to be 100%.

[–]Taylor814Jibrish 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The comparison Spicer made makes sense to any student of history.

Hitler refused to use chemical weapons during war because he, himself, had been a victim of a chemical weapon attack during WWI. Spicer is clearly talking about military actions. Obviously he knows that Hitler and the SS used Zyclon B, a pesticide, to kill millions of people.

[–]juliankennedy23 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No it doesn't. In no normal universe does it make sense to infer that Assad is worse than Hitler.

Hell Assad doesn't even reach Hussain levels.

If you compared Trump to Hitler because they both attacked with rockets you would be laughed out of the room.

[–]Taylor814Jibrish 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Assad Family's collective atrocities easily approach Hussain levels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacre

Hitler launched more than 1,500 V2 rockets into civilian centers in England. Trump launched 59 missiles at a military target and scheduled the strike to avoid unnecessary loss of life.

The point is that Hitler had the capacity to use chemical weapons during the war, even when it was clear that he was going to lose. He could have lobbed chlorine shells on advancing Allied and Russian forces, but he didn't.

The 1925 Geneva Protocol - which is still in effect - prohibits the use of chemical weapons during war. Both Germany and Syria are parties to the protocol. Hitler complied with the prohibition, Assad violated it.

That's the point.

[–]TwinkleTwinkleBaby 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you see how the optics are bad though? When you're splitting hairs and toeing the line of defending Hitler? Just leave it. Do not try to parse the Holocaust in the WH press briefing room.

[–]sputnikspiff [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're right but it was a tricky comparison that probably shouldn't have been made because it stands in contrast to the use of gas in concentration camps. That said, let's all pretend that we speak and understand the English language instead of all this fake outrage.

[–]Taylor814Jibrish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it is really amusing that the same outlets that have been pushing op-eds calling President Trump a fascist are now criticizing Spicer for comparing and contrasting Syria's war-criminal dictator to the worst fascist in history.

Godwins Law exists because it is generally a bad idea to compare/contrast people to hitler. I think that dictators who commit war crimes against their people should probably have an exception to the "no comparing people to Hitler" rule.

[–]Drizzle11M [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just about everything that come out of Spicer's mouth would make me laugh if it wasn't so sad.

[–]Tasty_Thai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wut.

Did CNN even pay attention to their own network during the campaign??

[–]AcousticGamer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, all of those people calling Obama "Hitler" when he was elected were liberals right? lol wut. Solid troll.

[–]VeniVidiViciVI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can someone explain to me why what Spicer said is bad? It seemed like a perfectly logical comparison to me.

[–]wmansir -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The good news for Spicer is that a week from now this story will deeply buried among the millions of search results for liberals likening Trump to Hitler.

[–]dudenotcool [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-espanol-host-compares-donald-trump-to-hitler-accuses-him-of-racism-and-xenophobia/

guess they should give their employees some guide lines

[–]tr3kConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Makes sense, like how only black people can use the N word, for example.

[–]waxtats -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically, leftists evoke Hitler every day. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]Dwerrow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is why young people don't listen to the MSM. I've grown up hearing "Literally Hitler" throughout my teenage years, anyone with the same experience can see straight through this headline for the trash that it is. People have been comparing other people to Hitler since World War 2.

[–]burtmaklin1 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gasp HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[–]Zadien22 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think the first rule of politics is to not be a hypocrite.

[–]Galt42 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...Are we talking about the same politics?