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[–]aalbis 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I feel like a prototype of a wall is a bit weird. Like an etch-sketch should suffice.

[–]BeetleBarry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I mean a series of good engineering drawings would suffice, it's more likely not to test the actual wall so much as to test the competency of the firm in managing a small scale build effort.

[–]needmoretape 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (10子コメント)

"It's probably never really going to happen, but was a major basis for my campaign so I better make some facade that it is for ~4 years." See Obama & Guantanamo

[–]Marine_MustangOceanside 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm just looking forward to all the headlines blaring "Trump's Border Wall!!" with pictures showing people just walking around it. Of course, supporters will scream, "but it's just a prototype, dumbasses!" to which the rest of us will reply, "then where's the rest of it!?"

[–]curiousbydesign 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The realness of your comment made me sad.

[–]Rafaeliki 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Obama tried to close Guantanamo through Congress but they wouldn't allow it. The same way he asked Congress for authorization to use military force in Syria but wasn't given it.

That's on Congress.

Trump should get Congress to propose a bill with an actual appropriation of funds and see how it does in Congress.

[–]dustyuncle -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Obama had complete control of congress for 2 years, so it's on both. Just like it is on Trump now.

[–]LuxNocte 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Obama had complete control of Congress" is probably the funniest thing I've heard today.

You didn't notice when he signed an executive order to close Guantanamo, and Congress said no?

If you had said "Democrats had complete control" that would have been laughable, but an honest mistake. If you think Congress was controlled by Obama, at any point, obviously you weren't paying attention.

[–]wynaut_23 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aww still learning, how cute

[–]flickerkuu -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Piece of paper and some crayons for anyone who doesn't understand the concept of a wall.

Also, give those crayons to anyone who wants to spend $200,000 per "prototype" piece of wall so they can choke on them. We have a wall already.

[–]1800suckthisdick 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (6子コメント)

time for me to open up my ladder store in tijuana

[–]varsitypride3 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and I'll open up a competing tunnel equipment store. Competition breeds excellence, you know #tunnellife

[–]BootyBurglar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ladder people will rule this wall!

[–]neo1513 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Y'all are amateur hour. I already have a high fantasy ancient wall breaking horn boutique in the works. I only have one horn though so don't steal it pls.

[–]SpareLiver 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll open a rope store next door.

[–]fluffershuffles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sell the rope I sell the grappling hook :)

[–]Marine_MustangOceanside 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A hispanic guy I work with is constantly making jokes about opening a gym on top of the wall and calling it the "On the Border Gym" which would specialize in climbing exercises.

[–]AlexHimself 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (62子コメント)

This is so stupid. We spend a fortune for them to just climb over it.

I always find it funny that the people who have a problem with the Mexicans live in places where they never see any.

My only issue has been with them driving on the road, and a recent study says that if we give them licenses many of those problems will go away.

Mexico is being used as a red herring issue to drum up support and it's moronic.

[–]ReferredByJorge 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (31子コメント)

i always find it funny that the people who have a problem with the Mexicans live in places where they never see any.

It's a lot easier to exploit ignorance for inducing fear.

If you spend your days interacting with people of a variety of backgrounds it's a lot harder to take the angry man on AM radio seriously.

[–]PocketSailing 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. That's how fascism works.

[–]Rafaeliki 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I live like 10 minutes from the border and Mexicans have a net positive impact on my life.

[–]BeetleBarry 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (19子コメント)

That's not what that report said. It says there was no discernable effect from giving them drivers only licenses... And a lot of the data is probably questionable. I strongly doubt that giving them licenses would decrease the risks on the road. I used to drive in the 905 a lot and half the time there was a car in the middle Lane going 45 with TJ plates. Licensed or not, they're going to be uninsured most of the time

[–]AlexHimself 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Researchers at Stanford University's Immigration Policy Lab estimated that granting driver-only licenses appears to have reduced hit-and-run crashes and saved insured drivers about $17 million that they would have absorbed from at-fault drivers fleeing collisions to avoid possible arrest.

It says various things. I didn't say it said anything in particular.

[–]surfingNerd 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

just climb over it.

how many actually come into the country legally and just stay? how is this wall going to help with that?

[–]AlexHimself 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's true. They just legally come in and never leave.

[–]BlondeMSW 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is true. They come legally, on a tourist visa (which is a 90 day allowance, I believe, where you can stay in the country and not leave; it's mostly honors system). Then, they overstay the visa. Frankly, it's the easiest way to be here undocumented and still have a chance at getting papers down the line without having to leave for several years.

[–]BlondeMSW 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just to climb over it.

Or build tunnels under it.

[–]needmoretape 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Drones are cheaper, but can carry way less payload. Signed, Neighborhood Cartel

[–]BlondeMSW 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh for sure. But coyotes like to smuggle people (because they can charge a lot of dough for that service). So, tunnels too.

[–]BeetleBarry 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, drones cant carry people yet

[–]BeetleBarry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least they wont be able to just walk around it anymore out in the areas where there is no border. That and a healthy dose of surveillance and drones should really curb the problem.

[–]trainers_hate_himMission Hills 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wait this is still happening?

[–]needmoretape 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

idk but it's funny that the prototype is being built so close to all the tunnels they find... where a wall won't do shit.

[–]attohs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Spec call for it to go down at least six feet. I'm sure it'll be equipped with sensors as well, but that wouldn't be part of the wall's initial build spec. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/18/donald-trump-officially-requests-bids-build-border/

[–]ILikeTalkingToMyself 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there something that's preventing them from digging seven feet deep

[–]imagoodusername 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good thing panga boats don't exist.

This wall is fucking stupid.

[–]dabkilm2Chula Vista 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pfft pangas are caught all the time by the CG.

[–]BlondeMSW 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was coming here to say this and you beat me to it! Have an upvote :-)

[–]Murphy_York 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Guess I know where I'll go to spraypaint...

[–]AintNoFortunateSon 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Such a stupid and pointless vanity project. Waste of money that would be better spent on enforcement on as aid to Mexico and Central America where the problems originate.

[–]BeetleBarry 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Are you suggesting throwing money at Mexico and every crappy country south of the border is a better solution?

[–]BlondeMSW 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I like you, Beetle, but I suspect we may be about to disagree. I actually think it would be in our interest to help Mexico's economy stabilize, and have their political institutions become trustworthy (well, as trustworthy as any political institution can be). If both of these things were to happen, Mexicans would have opportunities for success in their own country, and picking up and moving to America would be far less appealing. I do not know exactly how we help Mexico fix itself, but we would benefit significantly if they did.

[–]mancubuss 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giving aid financially and helping Mexico be stable are two separate things

[–]BeetleBarry 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont think we will disagree to be honest. Mexico has similar natural resources to us, and hard working, honest people...but they are ruled by corruption and political weakness. I can't even begin to fathom how the US would go about fixing it. My guess would be that it would likely take trillions of dollars and some magic beans to magically make all of the greed and corruption disappear. The sad situation is that Mexico is a gigantic country that is pretty much screwed as is. They need some sort of revolution to free themselves from their corrupt, greedy, incompetent government AND the cartels that run their streets. The sad truth is that Mexico is utterly F*#&ed. How did the USA do in Iraq and Afghanistan where they had almost complete control of the rebuilding process? Now imagine that level of incompetence trying to rebuild an uncooperative Mexico with twice the population of both of those countries combined. It's not going to happen.

That was just Mexico. Don't forget about central and south america, Venezuela and Brazil are on the flirting with collapse. Bolivia, Columbia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru and almost all of central america . We are talking well over 100+ million people in chronic poverty. We can't save the entire western hemisphere from poverty save for Canada.

Going a little beyond your point, I think the above is why building a wall is so important. Short sighted people (which is a huuuuuge amount) jump up and call it racist. I call it being practical. You have to make a serious effort to control the flow of these poor people into the country. Once you have that done, then we can sit down and work on making those already here citizens. You absolutely can't do that without a strong control on the flow of poor people. Imagine what those 100+ million people struggling to find food south of the border will plan on doing once they catch word that America just legalized tens of millions of people who illegally entered the country. Step 1, exert strong control on the flow of people into the country (and I do believe that a physical wall is somewhat goofy and the same end could probably be accomplished using drones and technology). Step 2) Rework our immigration policies and work to streamline the process for letting in the right people [Even though it stings the heart to admit it, we can't accommodate 100 million people with no skills and no education]. This isnt to say that some of those unskilled people cant come in, but it's going to be controlled. Step 3) work on amnesty once and for all for those already here, but make it clear that those who violate our proper immigration channels won't ever enjoy that benefit again.

I think the irrational act of immediately pointing to people who support any type of immigration enforcement as racist is really doing a disservice to immigrants, both legal and illegal. It's really just postponing our ability to finally sit down and have a real, meaningful conversation about illegal immigration. They are wasting time screaming about no borders whatsoever, which is simply completely unrealistic.

[–]BlondeMSW 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I have no idea how it would be done, and I agree about the failures in the middle east. I don't think it's US responsibility to force other socieities to democratize. Just because it works for us (debatable) doesn't mean everyone needs to do what we do. Can we just wave a magic wand and fix Mexico? :-D

And yeah, the central and south American countries would still be an issue. But straightening Mexico out would at least be a start.

[–]beefylips -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To do that you would need to remove the cartels. You would have to do that by force. That would require troops and American lives. Are you willing to fight and possibly die for Mexico? No politician can sell a war like that.

[–]AintNoFortunateSon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes. Although I wouldn't characterize aid aimed at improving the conditions that lead to migration as 'throwing money', nor would I characterize Mexico or any other country in central America as a 'crappy country.'

[–]BeetleBarry 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

well when millions of people stop risking their lives to get the hell out of them, i'll stop calling them crappy countries too

[–]AintNoFortunateSon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a bigoted thing to say.

[–]BeetleBarry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

not really, go get a dictionary

[–]drphilsters 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I immigrated to the United States not Mexico/South America. While your wasting American money how bout you also give aid to my fatherland so I can return? No money for my White country of origin? - what a bigoted thing to say

[–]AintNoFortunateSon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You use that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[–]drphilsters -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm wagering that you will disagree with my country of origin receiving equal aid as Mexico. Your reasoning might be justified but to me it might be perceived as bigoted.

[–]dabkilm2Chula Vista 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't like we haven't been throwing money at these countries for no damn reason. But we have, if we want to really reduce our spending lets stop sending so much damn money to foreign powers for no reason.

[–]binaryfnary -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mexico and every crappy country south of the border

i'm suggesting you're racist.

[–]BeetleBarry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because countries where people are willing to risk death and rape crossing northward are such great places. I'm actually of latin descent by the way. I'm just tired of everyone jumping to the racist badge like you do. Sure, it's crude to say countries south of the border are crappy, but does that make it untrue? Venezuela's dictatorships, Brazils slums and murder rates, Mexicos mass graves and wealth imbalance, need I go on? There are some shithole countries down there. Does that mean if i see someone from those countries I loathe and despise them? Of course not. I'm glad they got the hell out of there. But does that mean that I should want all 100 million of them pouring into the USA no matter the economic consequences? Just keep calling everyone racist.

[–]carbonatedcoffee 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why should the tax payer be on the hook for the $4-10 million dollar cost of building these prototypes? The companies who are fighting for the contract should foot the bill.... that way we don't lose any money at all once they finally realize that this is the most idiotic idea ever.

[–]sperglord_manchildEscondido 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait I thought Mexico was paying for them?

[–]BeetleBarry 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah the companies should definitely be paying for their submissions.

[–]interstate-15 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should the tax payers be paying for any dumbshit programs like this? Massive debate there.

[–]NorthparkwizardNorth Park 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Trump has never been the the SD/TJ border and probably never will.

GOP New Yorker's are the worst.

Homeboy's ignorant.

[–]1percentof1La Mesa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

he eats well done steak with ketchup. he'll never understand us.

[–]SamEZSpring Valley 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For what it's worth most of my Mexican buddies like their meat pretty well done... it might be the only thing they and trump agree on!

[–]interstate-15 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your buddies aren't alone, lots of us out there. Except were scared to announce it.

[–]BCR12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice, a bunch of free climbing walls.

[–]high_side 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is this, a wall for ants?

[–]sperglord_manchildEscondido -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mexico wants to check out what they're going to get for their money