I have a feeling you've spent a lot more time constructing your own arguments and putting them up in echo chambers than you have spent learning about this issue and finding out what the other side has to say.

I am not going to do a long back-and-forth; this comment is it, and then feel free to have the last word.

With all due respect, drop this act. This is patronizing, insulting, and disrespectful.

You claim to subscribe to subs that you clearly don't agree with to have discussions and "see the other side" of things. You're not the first one who has enjoyed coming to r/conservative for this reason. I don't begrudge you this choice.

But, please, for the love of God, don't come on here and start with this shit. You want a discussion? We'll have a discussion. But I will not be insulted here. Even your little preemptive jab at getting the "last word" was meant to make me look like some sort of meanie for desiring an ongoing dialogue.

You were playing the "I'm going to be the bigger man by leaving this conversation on my terms" card. I'm calling you out on that. That was an asshole move on your part.

Arguing that gender is a construct doesn't mean that it's arbitrarily created.

You're right, it's not arbitrarily created. Gender and all its associated roles and norms are inherently tied to the sexual form. Gender identity without the connection to the sex binary, male and female, is absurd. The concept of identity itself requires a frame of reference or it is nonsensical.

Saying that we should abolish gender norms or that gender is a social construct and we should change those constructs where they are harmful is not the same as arguing that all minds are blank slates.

I don't see traditional gender roles as being improperly constructed, and I desire that we retain them. Again, I do agree that the transgender movement is about redefining these traditional roles and norms and I do not agree with it.

Males and females have distinct and important roles in culture and society largely based on their innate physiology. Those unique roles and strengths then form the basis for the traditional family, the most stable and important bond in society. Men aren't the primary breadwinners just 'cuz. Women aren't coerced into being the caretakers of the children and the household. These things arose organically in response to how we were created (or how we evolved, if you're really caught up on that word).

It is quite reasonable to consider the possibility that some individuals quite literally have a brain that developed, in key ways, as a male brain despite the body developing into a female body, and vice versa. There is no reasonable biological argument for how someone could develop a mind biologically similar to that of an attack helicopter or pony.

First of all, if you want to drop terms like "male brain" or "female brain", you're going to have to define them. What is a male brain absent the connection to a male body or innate gender norms? Does a male brain do male stuff? Talk like a man? Like man stuff? What is man stuff anyway? You just said that these things can and should be changed. Do some brains develop in the womb to like football or something?

I'm not trying to be obtuse here. I'm trying to define something that transgender activists have been unable to. Again, if you remove the frame of reference for this concept of "gender identity" you are left with nonsensical definitions.

As for not developing a mind similar to an attack helicopter... well, no, as attack helicopters do not have minds. But there are grown adults who assert themselves to have minds of children. There are people who have developed schizophrenic minds that believe aliens are speaking to them. There are minds of skinny people who believe their bodies to obese. There are many minds out there that do not correspond to reality, but do we necessarily reinforce the delusion?

You are ignoring the fact that their "security" is often already gone. I'm sure you have this picture of children being "normal" until their liberal parents convince or coddle them into believing they are the opposite sex, reinforcing this broken notion.

An overwhelming majority of childhood dysphoria cases resolve on their own so long as the delusion is not actively reinforced. And I have indeed seen the very thing you describe. I have seen it in my own neighbours. You can reject my experience if you want (I suppose we can all say what we want on the Internet), but I know it to be true.

Modern gender philosophy is being pushed at break-neck speed, with no regard for caution or the long term effects. The world of gender studies and gender psychology has been dominated by a determined agenda that actively pushes out dissent, even dissent from some supporters:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/gender-identity-debate-swirls-over-camh-psychologist-transgender-program/article28758828/