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[–]pbwarren2001 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (40子コメント)

Is this morally right? For a person this young to decide something so incredibly significant at such a young age?

[–]Nihiliszt 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I don't think you can get re-assignment surgery at that age, so she still has time to change her mind, as many young people do as they overcome puberty.

[–]handygoat 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (6子コメント)

(Additionally) Is it morally right to exploit a child who might not even know the implications of what that actually means for personal political gain

[–]Coilet_from_robonia 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No annnnnnd no.

[–]Virgadays 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

a child who might not even know the implications of what that actually means

Thing is, that child is already the centre of a heated debate from people who want to bar her from using the right restroom

[–]TheBadBrewer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nobody's going to say 'yay child exploitation' but the question is whether the child is acting out their parents desires and projections, or expressing their own identity.

It seems to me that there's not enough information in this picture to know.

[–]dermac 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty likely that the child has been told by their parents to do this. What child thinks about protesting and colour their hair in a fitting colour.

[–]48395634986 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

expressing their own identity

this is why we have the people we do today

[–]lordperiwinkle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

nope.

[–]TheBadBrewer 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I understand your question, and as a parent I would be terrified for my child if their gender didn't match their sex. I think the question then becomes: how does a kid avoid choices about what name they want to be called, what haircut they want, and what clothes to wear? Do they suppress that part of themselves, essentially putting on a disguise and playing a character every day?

[–]PM_ME_UR__RECIPES 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do they suppress that part of themselves, essentially putting on a disguise and playing a character every day?

This is an unfortunate reality for a lot of trans people.

[–]Cyberseeker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is an unfortunate reality for a lot of trans people.

there, FTFY

[–]tiny_saint 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You cant know if they are mismatched before they hit puberty. People change a lot when growing up.

[–]zabulistan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They're not doing anything irreversible. When a kid transitions it's just a new name, a haircut, and a change of clothes. Kids don't get hormones or surgery.

[–]BiggusDickus- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, they do get hormones.

[–]zabulistan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

By the time they're teenagers, yeah...but only after being on non-permanent puberty-delaying drugs for a few years.

[–]BiggusDickus- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The puberty-delaying drugs are not 100% benign. They can stunt growth, and possibly have other health consequences. This is despite the "100 percent safe!" message that the trans-advocates always push.

[–]PolishRobinHood 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've been used for precocious puberty for decades without much issue. No medication is 100% side effect free 100% of the time, but you are trying to sow doubt where there shouldn't be any. Trans kids are heavily monitored by healthcare professionals.

[–]BiggusDickus- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am not trying to "sow doubt" any more than trans-advocates are trying to push the narrative that these drugs are "100%" safe.

I don't like people with a clear social agenda making unfounded scientific claims to support their argument. And, what I have seen, is that this is exactly what the trans advocate community is doing when talking about giving these drugs to children.

The objective truth is that the most common drug, Lupron, was approved for use in children in 1989. It was not widely used until several years later. There have not been any comprehensive follow-up studies to track the long-term effects of this. The few studies that have been done are only on a handful of patients, and they stop at around age 20.

However, there is certainly reason to think that Lupron is not as safe as believed. Case in point.

I am certainly not claiming that I know more than the doctors that prescribe it. My argument is that the trans advocates are claiming that there is nothing to worry about. These drugs are completely safe and "reversable" ect... And this is a false claim. It is propaganda. The truth is that we don't know.

[–]Isord 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They aren't "deciding" anything. For one thing transgender people are going through dozens to hundreds of hours of therapy just to get a professional opinion on the matter. For a second thing nothing permanent is usually done until 16 or so at the earliest.

[–]BiggusDickus- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The puberty blocking hormones are often delivered much earlier, and they can both stunt growth and cause sterility. So, yea, permanent things are done much earlier.

[–]omgnodoubt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A trans person doesn't "decide" to be trans, they know they are trans. It's morally wrong to tell someone who was born into the wrong body that they are wrong for being who they are on the inside.

Clearly none of you have children, because you would know how difficult it is to get a kid to dress up or have their hair in a style or way they don't like; never mind dress and style them in the complete opposite gender that they are.

Tell me have you ever seen a kid melt down because they had a bad haircut and accidentally got called a girl? I have many a times.

Nobody forced this kid to dress up like a girl, grow their hair out; and hold that sign with that genuine of a smile.

For gods sakes people, this is a child; let them be happy, they're not retarded they're children! They know who they are!

[–]pbwarren2001 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

let them be happy, they know who they are

When I was five I wanted to be a firetruck. When I was ten, I thought I had magical powers because I pet a goose and it didn't bite me. It is the responsibility of the parent to guide their children into the person that they will be, not the one they want to. If I did what I wanted at that age (looks to be anywhere from 7-9ish) I'd've just stayed home all day playing with my dog and occasionally having a friend over, and while I recognize that truancy and changing one's gender are not necessarily of the same caliber, the point is that children may not make the best decisions for themselves all the time.

[–]omgnodoubt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You see it as guiding the child in the right direction because you believe that transgender people are wrong for being trans. You do not understand that these people are actually born, trapped in the wrong body; they have no choice.

and while I recognize that truancy and changing one's gender are not necessarily of the same caliber.

I wanted to be a firetruck. I thought I had magical powers because I pet a goose and it didn't bite me.

I don't necessarily agree "caliber" is the right language. I would use the word "ball park". You can't compare being transgender to desiring to be a fire truck, that's pretty insulting.

You're pretty much the kid in 1st grade that forces all his friends to use only boy colors when they draw.

[–]Kon_EL77 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no, it isn't. anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

[–]karmander 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to get all knee-jerk, but what does gender identity have to do with morals?

[–]pbwarren2001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trans suicide rates are incredibly high (lots of it due to stigma) and as a result I wouldn't want my child to off themselves because they felt as if they were the opposite gender when they were a child.

[–]karmander 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what is the other option? Asking your child if they're sure they're not cis? Insist they reconsider their gender because life as trans will be harder? That's the kind of onerous behavior that reinforces those feelings of depression and aloneness that result in suicide. You'd basically communicating it's "bad" to be trans (the same way that gay children are burdened by performing as straight by parents/society).

Kids are capricious. If they're exploring their gender, and it turns out they're not trans and in fact cis, it will sort itself out over time. I don't think a parent needs to step in and warn them or push against them. A parent should be supportive and scaffold the child's decisions. If the child is being bullied at school, don't just sit by idly and wait for your child to off themselves. Talk to them, work with them, take them to a therapist that specializes in trans issues, etc.

I'd rather support my kid and find out it's just a phase than push back against them and coerce them to falsely represent themselves as cis and cause them even more confusion and strife than they'll inevitably face by living as a marginalized identity.

[–]wiredconcepts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, I have a gut feeling it isn't.

[–]WubbaLubbaDubStep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is an excellent question to ask and one that I submitted a question about on r/changemyview.

I had my view changed, to an extent. Might be worth a read.

CMV: Boys and Girls below the age of 18 are not mature or developed enough to determine that their gender is not the one with which they were born.

[–]HomSig 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's actuallly best to find out before puberty hits as it simplifies the transition.

[–]PM_ME_UR__RECIPES 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your gender identity isn't set in stone. It's what you identify as internally. Just like you can change your opinion on something, or change your taste in music, or convert to a different faith, you can change your gender identity.

[–]PolishRobinHood 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It more or less is set in stone. If it was so changeable as youbsuggest, conversion "therapy" would work.

[–]Eclania -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it is an internal thing. Some people are gender fluid, some are trans, some are cis, some don't feel like either. Your gender isn't set in stone, but you also can't force someone (or yourself) to be a gender you don't truly identify as. You may masquarade as it to please someone (the sad reality for many trans people) but you won't ever truly be a gender that someone tries to force on you.

[–]Beat2death -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't know. It it is like picking one of the first 3 choices of pokemon, you can always pick a new one later. Some of your progress may be lost though. Trade with whoever you want in the mean time. I doubt most of us knew who we were then.

[–]Black__philip 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please tell me You don't think there is 150 genders.

[–]MrMultibeast 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like a girl to me.

[–]Casserole233 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Looks like a happy kid to me. Don't understand why everyone is so concerned.

[–]Eclania 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (10子コメント)

They're not concerned. They're only trying to push their agenda by questioning to motivation behind the picture and demonizing this kids parents. They act like this kid can't possibly grasp that they feel like they're a girl, but I can guarantee that these people never thought they were anything but cis because that's just who they are. This kid knows she's trans because that's just who she is, and thankfully she doesn't have to hide that from her parents.

[–]Black__philip 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, it's not like people would exploit their own children for their own agenda in todays society, and I'm sure just like you, every 8 year old knows exactly what they are doing, and have a complete understanding of the world.

[–]onlyonebread 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When you were 8 could you not earnestly answer the question, "what gender are you?"

[–]Black__philip 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, because I wasn't brainwashed into thinking you can be whatever you want to, but even if I was, as an 8 year old, my brain, like everyone else's, wasn't fully developed, so you shouldn't act on anything so life changing I said at that time.

[–]logd14 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This kid didn't decide to do this on her own behalf. It was definitely her parents who decided to exploit her. I have no problem against trans gender people whatsoever, but using your child as a prop to motivate political gain is just plain fucked up. It would be the same thing as me trying to push for ant abortion and having my kid stand outside with a sign saying "I got saved from abortion". You would probably think that's fucked up wouldn't you?

[–]Eclania 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can't be sure that she did or not. Kids aren't as dumb as you're making them out to be, and with the current social climate it is not farfetched that she would want to express this. Maybe she picked up on being outspoken from her parents. Maybe she saw people on t.v. Maybe she heard someone talking about it. You can't be certain. In your example you give clear intent to manipulate your child for political gain, this post has no actual evidence of that, regardless of what you want to believe.

[–]logd14 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except for the fact that the sign was clearly made by an adult. You're right, there is no evidence but just from my understanding of kids and once being a kid, they don't give two shits about political gain and if they felt like they were a different gender they would just act it, not take a picture with a sign and post it on the Internet for everyone to see. It's clearly someone pushing an agenda. If not the parents themselves, someone is using this image for political gain. It's not just a cute profile picture.

[–]Eclania 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The poster could have been made by an adult. The poster could also be her idea. The picture could just be her parents being proud that she's comfortable with who she is. You just want to believe that her parents are manipulative people that exploit their child for personal gain because that's what fits your narrative.

[–]logd14 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And vice versa for you. You're right I don't know so I shouldn't judge. But you are defending this because it fits your narrative as well. Had it been something other than a trans gender you wouldn't have even clocked on this post.

[–]Eclania 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I'm saying you're making assumptions. The only assumption I ever made here was that most cis people never really questioned their bio-sex and their gender being one and the same.

[–]Kleemin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Suicidal people smile sometimes too. They are concerned because this is not the same as when parents try to force their effeminate boys to play sports. Some boys like "girly" things and some girls like "tomboy" things and that's fine but convincing a prepubescent child that they are transgender (as if a kid can really understand that) is child abuse.

[–]48395634986 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if i reinforce sexual activity with a 6 year old and they smile and love it because of that, nobody should be concerned?

things have lasting impacts, especially for children, and they dont even know what theyre doing. you can at least understand that, i hope

[–]No_Loli_No_Life 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I have nothing against trans, gay or w/e you wanna throw in there .. but this make me feel a lil weird, they are kids, they don't know what they are doing , why is a kid able to make a decision so important like this ? Are they capable of that ? How is this morally acceptable?
I can't see a brave girl here , I see a child...One that isn't mature enough to take decisions, I see a failed dad and mom.

[–]Desproges 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ask gays at what age they learned they were gay. It wasn't on the night of their 21th birthday.

[–]Kleemin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It also wasn't at 7. A pre-pubescent kid doesn't experience sexual attraction. They can find some one cute or ugly but as a straight man I know if a man is attractive or not and a gay man knows if a woman is attractive or not. Your argument is Apples to oranges.

[–]zabulistan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Actually, lots of people, both straight and gay, are/were aware of their attraction to men and/or women (well, boys and/or girls) during pre-pubescence, if mainly in an emotional way.

[–]omgnodoubt -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I knew and my parents knew I was queer since I was 5, it's not sexual attraction; it's a whole plethora of different things from only wanting to watch musicals and "girly" movies, to wanting to do gymnastics instead of baseball. Wanting to learn how to cook instead of learning about cars.

You know that you're queer when you're a child, even if you don't quite understand the entirety of the situation; you still know who you are.

[–]Patonthebach -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is some real bigot shit. Just because a boy likes musicals or a girl wants to fix cars that means they are gay? What are you on? People can have non-typical interests, that has nothing to do with sexuality. You stereotype mother-fucker.

[–]Kleemin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

they just don't get it, my little brother played with only little girls and dressed up in my mom's clothes and used to steal the little girl next door's heels and carried an old purse. He is a normal straight guy who keeps a tidy house/car and is a bit bitchy but he is straight. Just being into girly shit doesn't mean you will be gay or transgender. I think it is just because all the kids his age in the neighborhood were girls and all the kids my age were boys. My lil bother cant throw a football or catch a baseball but it doesn't mean he is gay/trans ffs, not that it would matter if he was.

[–]Eclania 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude I knew I was straight by the time I was 5, it's not that far fetched to think a person could know they're trans, too.

[–]StringcheeZee -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one is saying children can't have an opinion on this. What people are saying is that based on stats transitions have huge negative psychological impacts the suicide rates for people who go through the transition process are extremely high. For children who can not fully understand the process and the consequences they should not be allowed to actually undergo any medical or chemical processes that take steps towards an actual transition.

[–]Eclania 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who said anything about the kid starting to transition? You're making wild assumptions.

[–]bteyri 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What people are saying is that based on stats transitions have huge negative psychological impacts the suicide rates for people who go through the transition process are extremely high.

That's completely false. Usually when people say this they are referring to an old study which found that trans people had a higher suicide rate than the general population. It didn't compare people pre- and post-transition, and studies that have done so have concluded that transitioning improves mental well-being, which is why mainstream medical and psychological organizations support it.

For children who can not fully understand the process and the consequences they should not be allowed to actually undergo any medical or chemical processes that take steps towards an actual transition.

First of all, children can't fully understand all kinds of things they get involved in, including various difficult medical decisions. But more importantly, trans kids are not offered hormone therapy or surgery until they are in their late teens at the very least, and counselling is usually required beforehand. You're scaremongering about something that literally doesn't happen.

[–]StringcheeZee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said it did or didn't happen. I was relaying what people say about it.

[–]Eclania 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did you ever see yourself as anything other than your gender? Did you decide that when you were a kid? You're acting like a hypocrite. You wouldn't bat an eye if a bio-sex male says he's male but if she trans oh no call child protective services this kid is just confused.

[–]ScienceYouMonster 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's scary is that if these trans-denying people have children, there's a risk that they will force their child to act and look a certain way to fit the genitals they were born with. They're probably the type who would NEVER allow their sons to play with dolls or their daughters to play with trucks. It's really disgusting. They think trans people are obsessed with gender, but it's really the other way around.

[–]Dorion_FFXI -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you need to calm down. Their kids are 3x more likely to have a congenital heart defect than they are to be transgender. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. You're also strawmanning them.

[–]No_Loli_No_Life 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was kid, i didnt worry about my gender but playing with other kids.
Stop being a ignorant. Kids are kids, period.
whoever thinks that kids should make decisions like this at such a short age is SICK.

[–]Meta1425 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop being a ignorant.

Too much irony to handle.

[–]seacastles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You didn't worry about your gender because it wasn't a concern to you. For example, if you don't have depression, you won't think about how you have depression.

It's really easy to come from a perspective of never having any insecurities about your gender and use ONLY your experience to say "how do these kids know they're trans at such a young age!?"

[–]TheBadBrewer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So should the parents force their child to wear clothes, have a haircut, and go by a name/pronoun that they don't want to?

I get your reservation about it, but you need to consider the idea that the kid might be expressing something that's important.

[–]Dorion_FFXI 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So should the parents force their child to wear clothes, have a haircut, and go by a name/pronoun that they don't want to?

Yes? Parents force their kids to eat their vegetables and go to school and do all sorts of other things that they don't want to every day. It's part of how children are socialized.

[–]Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's how I feel. Some kids that age still want to grow up to be a firetruck, I don't think they really understand the implications of complex social structures like gender.

[–]karmander -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why is a kid able to make a decision so important like this?

We trust kids all the time if they say they're straight or cis. Why wouldn't we trust kids who say they're gay or trans? & what do these things have to do with "moral acceptability." Sounds like sneakily coded religious agenda language to me.

[–]fourdigits 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the comments here strike me as coming from people who haven't ever spent much time with a thoughtful child. Sure, there are some 10 year olds (just as guess on the age) who aren't capable of understanding the concepts of gender or sexuality or anything else complicated. But there are plenty who are quite capable of tackling those topics. And I'd be willing to bet that a 10 year old who's actually experiencing the thoughts and feelings of being transgender is especially capable of thinking about the issue at a higher level than many of the commenters here.

Children this age are real, actual people with a complex and nuanced ability to understand the world. And sometimes they are mature enough to make big decisions and express them to others like this. If my 10 year old daughter came to me and legitimately said she's really a boy, I'd be terrified for her, I'd cry non-stop, and I'd rush us all to therapy. But then I'd sure as hell cut her hair and help her make signs and whatever else we need to do to let her be who she is and feel supported.

[–]dermac 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are a tool used by your parents to push their agenda.

[–]steveinbuffalo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No - your parents are the people we should be warned about

[–]BTC_Millionaire 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah keep using your kids as political capital, you fucking pigs

[–]NutDaBees 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, because it can't possibly be that their parents are simply being supportive of their kid, right? nooo, they must be using her as "political capital".

What the fuck is wrong with you? you piece of shit.

[–]SamDrrl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You honestly think the kid wrote the sign?

[–]NutDaBees 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You honestly believe parents can't possibly support and love their kids even if they are transgender? Do you believe if they show support then it must be because there's some "sinister" intention behind it, like "political capital"?

[–]SamDrrl -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I do think that they love and support their kid, they could also be taking advantage of her mental disorder to prove a point.

[–]NutDaBees 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

taking advantage of her mental disorder

The fuck is wrong with you??

Being transgender is not a mental disorder or a mental illness.

[–]SamDrrl -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Really?

[–]NutDaBees [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"Really" what?

Gender Dysphoria and being transgender isn't a mental illness.

Not only that, but treating them as if they were mentally ill leads to them developing actual mental illnesses such as depression.

Fuck off.

[–]SamDrrl [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Treating someone as mentally ill causes them to be mentally ill? Why do you think that happens?

Ps: fuck off isn't a great argument, be more creative

[–]NutDaBees [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you fucking kidding me? maybe if you've bothered to read one of the articles by the American Psychological Association I linked.

"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons."

Again, fuck off.

[–]IHadToSayTheObvious 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Another psychotic schizophrenic in the making...

I don't know what to be or who I am bc the agenda around me has no definition.

Don't worry, there's a pill for that.

[–]aheedthegreat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems to me the people who think this is okay and that catering to a child who thinks they want to be a different gender are the same type people who cater to a child who thinks they can destroy anything they want and get anything they want.

You are a parent, teach your kids how to behave and act. Believe it or not they can learn by example.

[–]Eclania 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm confused by your comment. What exactly are you trying to say?

[–]kimfatty3rd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No - Bruce Jenner is the scary transgender person the media is telling us is brave and is encouraging people to be like.

[–]FlyrightBayou -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hush up you. Trying to wipe my dickgina.

[–]Yates56 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Figured it was Robert/Alexis Arquette. Switched from male to female, then "lived as a man" in their final moments.

[–]teentytinty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reading these comments makes me realize that people really condescend to children. They are smarter than people believe and deserve to have agency, especially over their own identity and self expression.

[–]Bacon666 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's almost as if they were human beings or something.

[–]teentytinty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a pretty difficult concept to wrap your head around, I know!

[–]PanOfCakes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no youre 12 I highly doubt you fully understand the significant difference between a man and woman.

[–]Stink-Finger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Parents need to be jailed something ... maybe their kid should be taken away. No one this young could possible decide for themselves that they are mentally-ill enough to be considered 'transgendered'.

[–]subesue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

parents were probably like, "hey hold this sign real quick"

[–]Tuco72 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Parents should be reported to CPS. This is straight up child abuse. This child has no idea what he wants to be yet. Her whole attitude can change drastically after puberty. The parents are assholes.

[–]veryPositiveThinker -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this is the western definition of "brave" ?

[–]gfunkk55 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your the confused kid whose way too young to have decided anything so impossibly life changing, your parents suck kid sorry

[–]Reboot153 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Question about this. If a child this age can make the decision about his/her gender to identify as one way or the other (or as one of the other 30(?) options), is it ok for this same child to identify as a different race?

Hear me out on this. Lets say that there's a kid that, instead of identifying as male/female, they're identifying as Asian or African-American or Latino even though their ancestry is anything but that. Is it ok to support a person who "wants to be" a minority and receive support for that identification (college scholarships, business loans, career support, etc) even though their physical features are obviously not that minority?

Think of how could be used in someone's life if they racially identify as a minority instead of identifying as their physical features and would this be any different than the current transgender movement?

[–]ScienceYouMonster 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's absolutely different and you're an idiot.

[–]The_Furtive 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

None whatsoever.

[–]Eclania -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enumerate the hormonal differences between races. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Edit: also I can virtually guarantee that most minorities you'll ever meet would give up all of those "benefits" in a heart beat if they didn't have to deal with the bs associated with being their particular minority everyday. It sounds enticing to people that only see the benifits, but it's very different when you live the drawbacks.

[–]Defuma -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sexualising children at such a young age is just as bad a paedophilia. I don't know why people are looking at it any other way. Let kids be kids. Simple.

[–]Actual-Pain 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nobody is sexualizing anything here. Its just a child existing and having a gender.

[–]Defuma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Telling a child they have two gender is sexualising a child. It only serves to distract and confuse the child. Children should be children and not have to worry about their gender. Also you can't have two genders at once you silly goose.

[–]ImOnlyGonnaSayThis1 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one has to "sexualize" kids... they are mammals... They are sexual by nature. But they are sexual in childish ways. Like * "Yours isn't like mine...cool!" or * "Wow, that feels good...cool!" or * "I like touching you even though we're both boys...cool!"

The problem with this girl (if it's not fake) is that it shouldn't matter to her. She should be allowed to dress as anything she wants (even a firetruck) and engage in sexual exploration with other children of either sex but no meds or surgery until she is mature enough to decide for herself... roughly the age when kids are considered mature enough to drive a car.

[–]Defuma 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Children aren't sexual by nature, That's worrying mate. You shouldn't publicly write things like that. Puberty is natures way to say your body is changing and you're almost ready for sex. No one cares what children wear, they ARE CHILDREN. just because a little girl has a soccer kit doesn't make her trans, it makes her a little girl in a soccer kit. same if a little boy wants to dress as a princess, it doesn't matter. Let kids be kids.

[–]JBIII666 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does anyone know how Brangelina's trans kid was affected by their breakup? I'd think it jumped them straight into animal-kinship.

[–]stankadanky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lets chop off her leg and stick it on her forehead, then she can be a 1 legged unicorn... #unicornrights

[–]redditron1968 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Child abuse. Using her as a means to an end. I loathe people like that.

[–]Mystic-monkey -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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