Just had that thought, that holding frame is a neutral stance, that is doomed to fail with woman or in general social interactions.

What all that mocking and teasing bullshit boils down to in my head is to try to humiliated the other party.

With woman is it really enough, to mock them every now and then over some trivial thing? Don't they need to feel fear of being humiliated in order to be descend human beings?

The red pill and all this traditionalist articles seem to say, that it is enough, to hold frame and make her submissive in private.

Just like you need to go after pirates and hang them publicly, in order to prevent piracy, men as a collective should chase infidel women through the streets, cut their hair off or whatever.

Protecting women from being humiliated enables all this fucking degeneracy.