/r/science mod issues part 3

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I'm wondering why this comment was removed:https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/5xou7o/11_types_of_cancer_are_highly_linked_to_obesity/dek5t9p/?context=3The only rule I see it could fall under would be #1.Also, the fact that you don't notify when removing comments means I could have spent ~15 minutes digging upsources and then have no idea nobody saw them because it was silently deleted. This kind of thing discourages peoplefrom spending time on high effort, educational comments. Which is a detriment to the sub.

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We delete any comments that try to respond to a previously-deleted comment. There's a reason we delete them, andwe don't want people to try to revive discussions.Because we have such strict rules, we remove

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of comments to keep the discussion on track. Some threads have100s of comments removed. We couldn't possibly notify everyone when their comment has been removed.

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We delete any comments that try to respond to a previously-deleted comment. There's a reason we delete them,and we don't want people to try to revive discussions. Would be great if you would add that rule to the sidebar to prevent people from putting lots of effort into comments and then have them silently removed for no apparent reason.Some threads have 100s of comments removed. We couldn't possibly notify everyone when their comment hasbeen removed.I don't see why this has to be the case. Notifying someone is not hard at all. If you set up RES macros or use /r/toolbox you can easily leave a comment citing one of the rules.There are other subs that do strict moderation but leave notifications every time. It's really refreshing to see. Checkout /r/neutralnews & /r/NeutralPolitics, here's an example:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/5xhbef/president_trump_has_accused_fmr_president_obama/deildxk/ - very simple to do, especially with the thousand moderators you have there's no excuse.I follow the microbiome science very closely and thus feel I have a lot of knowledge to share, but am very hesitant todo so in /r/science because it seems the majority of my comments get silently removed.

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Would be great if you would add that rule to the sidebar to prevent people from putting lots of effort intocomments and then have them silently removed for no apparent reason.It's considered to be under rule 1 for comment rules: comments must be on-topic. If a comment is removed forbreaking the rules, bringing it up and responding to it is considered off-topic.I don't see why this has to be the case. Notifying someone is not hard at all. If you set up RES macros or use /r/toolbox you can easily leave a comment citing one of the rules.This would then create 100s of removal comments in threads, all of which would spawn off-topic discussions aboutwhether or not we

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have removed the comment at all, whether they agree with the rule, whether they agreewith the comment removal, etc. It's just not at all feasible - many of our threads are pretty unwieldy as it is. We wantthreads to discuss the science itself, not get bogged down in explanations and debates about rules.There are other subs that do strict moderation but leave notifications every time.Yep, and it works for some subs. We don't run ours that way.


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Please know that I'm not trying to be argumentative or trying to get banned.But I think the moderating decisions/style on this sub do not seem well thought out as to the potential detriments.One of the biggest appeals of reddit is that the comment section is great for discussion & disseminating information,and this moderation style is completely destroying that.This would then create 100s of removal comments in threads, all of which would spawn off-topic discussions aboutwhether or not we should have removed the comment at all, whether they agree with the rule, whether they agreewith the comment removal, etc. It's just not at all feasible - many of our threads are pretty unwieldy as it is.Those comment notifications would be automatically hidden anyway, so it does not bog down anything. And itshouldn't spawn off-topic discussions anymore than currently as people would still not be able to see the commentthat was deleted.We want threads to discuss the science itself, not get bogged down in explanations and debates about rulesThose /r/neutralX subs have no such problem. They create stickied threads to discuss the rules with the community.In my opinion you guys seem to come up with solutions to problems that don't exist.


Someone said before you have an automod rule that removes comments with lots of links. I've been on reddit formore than 5 years and never once have seen a comment from a spammer that contained a bunch of links. In myopinion that kind of automod rule shows that the people writing them have little to no experience with reddit. Thatlink removal rule is common on other sites and severely hinders information sharing.

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from p1percub [M] via /r/science sent 29 days ago

In my opinion you guys seem to come up with solutions to problems that don't exist.In my opinion that kind of automod rule shows that the people writing them have little to no experience withreddit.It's kind of amazing that you think you know more about modding a sub of 15.7 million subscribed readers than wedo.1) it's not in-thread where comment removal notifications bog us down, it's in modmail. Fielding hundreds to tens of thousands of complaints that amount to "why was my comment removed" makes modmail unusable. 99.9% of thetime if you see your comment is removed, you glance at our rules, you can be pretty sure why your comment waspulled. If you aren't, then contact us. Simple.2) back in the day, there was an auto-sent notification of comment removals. There was no way to preved that auto-notification from sending 100 notices if you had commented 100 times in a removed thread, and we heard from veryangry users that these notifications were spamming their inboxes and making

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unusable. So we turned it off.Our moderation style comes from many decades of collective expertise moderating subs with millions of subscribers.The problems large subs with strict rules face are not the same as problems tiny subs like r/microbiome face (e.g. youhave 4 moderators, we have over 1400). Our moderation is constantly debated, adjusted, and modified to improve ourability to meet our mission of creating a forum for the scientific discussion of new peer reviewed research.Thanks for your thoughts, but I think we are done here.


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if you see your comment is removedThat's the thing, you never see your comment removed. You have to tediously check every single comment you make.Fielding hundreds to tens of thousands of complaints that amount to "why was my comment removed" makesmodmail unusableIf you leave a reason there would be no need for that...it's not in-thread where comment removal notifications bog us down, it's in modmailSomeone implemented automod notifications in another sub that gets lots of spam & removes a lot of content, and itdidn't increase the amount of modmails at all.

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