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/r/science mod issues part 1
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Description: /r/science mods ignore extreme flaws in their rules/settings. I give examples of high quality content their settings/rules remove
/r/science mods ignore extreme flaws in their rules/settings. I give examples of high quality content their settings/rules remove
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Yet again.https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/61l0xe/a_low_socioeconomic_status_is_so_damaging_to/dffs2jn/?context=3Please fix your automod settings.This is ridiculous that I have to message the mods almost 80% of the time I make a comment.
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from shiruken [M] via /r/science sent 9 days ago
Any comment that exclusively contains a link is immediately removed because it does nothing to add to the ongoing
conversation. If you want to link something, at least take the time to explain it.
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Dude come on... that's a ridiculous rule/setting. The link was self explanatory.Someone asked for sources and I provided it. These moderation settings/decisions are so bad.
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from kerovon [M] via /r/science sent 9 days ago
Its fairly good, because 99% of the time, when someone gives just a single link without any content, it is to someform of joke or meme. We keep an eye on how often false positives for that rule come up, and it very rarely happens.
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Oh god... I not only disagree, I'm also extremely skeptical about that claim since I ONLY post factual, scientificinformation to the sub and upwards of 80% of my comments get automatically removed.You guys have so many obscure and secret rules/settings for removal that you don't even give people the chance tofollow them.In the beginning I considered the /r/science moderation to be very good when you were removing jokes and otherpoor quality & non-contributive comments. But more and more I'm seeing
tons
of completely terrible, unnecessary,and secretive removals. This sub is like a total nightmare right now.
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I think you need to be MUCH more reliant on the thousands of mods you have, rather than automod settings. Yourautomod settings should be extremely lenient with as many mods as you have.Unless you manually scroll through every automod action every day you will miss the vast majority of false positivessince automod is not set to notify people, and most people will not manually check every comment they make.Also, if you guys don't know about it, check out /r/toolbox. It's an addon with lots of mod tools which could helpimprove the modding here.
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from nate [M] via /r/science sent 9 days ago
Many of us have been mods of /r/science for longer that you have had an account on reddit. Our rules have been setup based on these years of experience, and they are solid.since I ONLY post factual, scientific information to the subYou mean like this one:Lmao. Can't tell whether you're a troll or a genuine imbecile.We don't allow linking to reddit.com for good reasons. That's not going to change, you don't have to understand it,but you do have to accept that is the way it is.
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Sure, if you removed that comment that's certainly fine, and not the type of comment I'm referencing, and certainlynot one I'd modmail about.We don't allow linking to reddit.com for good reasons. That's not going to change, you don't have to understand it,but you do have to accept that is the way it is.This is exactly what I'm talking about. Secretive, obscure rules/settings with an elitist attitude over the user base with0 intention of transparency or peer review & open debate. The modding here seems like a good parallel to the knownflaws with industry run/funded research. BTW, I would typically include multiple citation links with a statement likethis and then my comment would be automatically filtered out - this is the standard /r/science experience.I remember you guys putting out some stickied "mod transparency" chart some years ago, giving all the details aboutmod actions over a period of time. It seems like you've turned into the complete opposite now. Don't know what wentwrong but /r/science modding now represents some of the worst of reddit.The fact is that I'm trying to share hard science with people and the moderators of /r/science are preventing that withextremely disconcerting excuses, IE: "no reddit links". When the majority of the time mod responses/explanations donot result in "ah ok, that makes sense", but instead result in: https://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/facepalm-8-630x420.jpg you're doing something wrong. Whether it be the rule/setting itself or how it's implemented & promulgated (lack thereof).
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from fsmpastafarian [M] via /r/science sent 8 days ago
These aren't "secretive rules," they're settings we've put in place to keep discussions on topic. I have yet to seesomeone link to reddit.com and actually have it be a relevant link that contributes meaningfully to the discussion. Thisis similar with our other settings - we have them in place specifically because there are so few false positives, i.e.times when people break these "setting rules" and are actually contributing meaningfully. If they were, we wouldconsider approving the individual comment, and if it were a common problem, we would change our settings.BTW, I would typically include multiple citation links with a statement like this and then my comment would beautomatically filtered out - this is the standard /r/science experience.It would only be filtered out if your comment included links and no explanation. It's not that difficult, really. If you'reproviding citations, at least add a couple of words explaining what you're linking to.When the majority of the time mod responses/explanations do not result in "ah ok, that makes sense", but insteadresult in: https://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/facepalm-8-630x420.jpg you're doing something wrong.We actually explain these rules and automod settings to plenty of people when they ask in modmail, and you're theonly one who has had this big of an issue with it. Most people are pretty understanding, and appreciative of being toldso that they can simply format their comments to avoid similar issues in the future. So perhaps
we're
not the onesdoing something wrong here...
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I have yet to see someone link to reddit.com and actually have it be a relevant link that contributes meaningfullyto the discussion.The link that started this particular modmail doesn't meaningfully contribute??This is similar with our other settings - we have them in place specifically because there are so few false positives,i.e. times when people break these "setting rules" and are actually contributing meaningfully. If they were, wewould consider approving the individual comment, and if it were a common problem, we would change oursettings.I'm more inclined to believe that you THINK there are so few false positives because there is no feedback given duethe fact that all removals are secret/silent.We actually explain these rules and automod settings to plenty of people
when they ask in modmail
Exactly. It's frustrating to explain this over and over:1. There is no notification given when a comment is removed, so most people have no idea when their comment isremoved.2. The rules/settings are not listed anywhere so people cannot abide by them because we have no idea what theyare.