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Red Pill TheoryDispelling "Rape Culture" myth in two simple diagrams (self.TheRedPill)

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So, I was on fakebook the other day, and up pops some uneducated female hippie's misandrist post.

Basically, it was a vomit-inducing post equating Rape Culture with Pedophile culture. And of course, if you follow SJW "thought" (can it be called that?) "process": toxic masculinity -> rape culture -> pedophile culture? I dunno, some dumb shit like that.

Here's the article, by FeministCurrent (via archive.is of course) entitled "You’ve heard of rape culture, but have you heard of pedophile culture?"

Well... initially, I commented on the post, saying there are at least three major issues with the author's argument that Men are responsible for women's choices to present themselves as sexual objects.

1 - Rape culture doesn't exist in the US, see national & global statistics (diagram linked at bottom)

2 - The author implies that men are responsible for women's fashion choices: to shave, and dress provocatively. Yep guys, that's all our fault!! Yet the author fails to do her homework/research: Shaving, as a Western Female "social obligation/tradition" began in the 1920s and 1930s, when women began to wear clothing that revealed more of their skin, i.e. legs, armpits. Shaving went hand in hand w/ revealing skin, based on womens' fashion choices. However, if you want to be a stickler, shaving/depilation has existed since at least the days of Ancient Egypt.

3 - Men are attracted by neotenous traits by evolutionary predilection. Thank mammalian dimorphic evolution for that.

Someone on TRP did a great post on this:

In short, neoteny is the persistence of juvenile traits in adult individuals of a species. Amongst primates, humans exhibit a high degree of neoteny. Many stereotypical human traits – such as less body hair, higher foreheads, more delicate jawlines, and smaller brows are in fact neotenous traits. Neotenous traits have been selected for in human evolution, particularly in regards to sexual preferences of men. This includes the evolutionary psychology aspects of neoteny in humans (i.e. why women resemble children). More neotenous women are rated more attractive across all cultures.

So, after I logically defeated the arguments of the author with The Googles and my superior googling abilities (i.e. searched for "the history of shaving" and searched TRP for "neoteny") I slapped myself in the dick: "Mojo_juju-- dude, you're arguing with a feminist. She has already shown she is: uneducated, has no interest in logical thought processes and that she is unable to recognize illogical reasoning and ignorant presumptions, and has failed to see the author is entirely lacking intellectual basis of any kind, prior to accepting the baseless claims of the author (which are devoid of premise.)"

At the intro to my comment though, I mentioned "You're projecting your inner misandrist. This is simply a psychological projection of misandry for the purpose of attacking men, simply because the author and you feel like attacking men."

So, after slapping myself, I was like-- Wait a sec. Why the fuck did I complicate this, and raise the discussion to the level of high-school reading level? What a waste of time and energy.

Instead... I realized... all I needed to do was provide a nice, easily understandable picture. Because everyone likes pictures, and often they're easier to understand, especially for children (which all females ultimately are).

So, here's what I posted... Statistics on rape in the US, and a choropleth map comparing global rates of rape per country:

Two diagrams dispelling rape culture via statistics

It's just so goddamn easy-- google-image "rape statistics" and "global rates of rape" ... but, don't expect feminists to justify their arguments with logic or anything resembling an intellectually motivated interest to determine reality.

Anytime some dumb cunt mentions "rape culture" now you know the simplest way to slap her upside the brain with some reality. Let her know: Not only is she projecting her internalized misandry, she's also making an affront to and spreading ignorance about the reality of rape in the world, which centers in developing regions, especially Africa, India, and parts of Asia.

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[–]Goateeki 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The "stop the wolf whistle" campaigns are similarly unreasoned.

What women call a wolf whistle in some English speaking countries -- the construction worker whistling at an attractive female who walks by a construction site -- is nothing more than a male ACKNOWLEDGING the sexual signal sent by the female.

I saw a video by some young woman in Australia attempting to reason a guy out of his wolf whistling activity, saying that the majority of women don't like it. He responded that some women actually thank him for the whistle, taking it for the compliment that it is. I was overseas recently and a television presenter (female) said the same thing -- she had recently thanked someone for a whistle.

The thing is, I know the location this Australian woman was at when she recorded her crusade. It's a typical downtown area with many, many bars. On any Saturday night during the warm months of the year, you will see dozens of young women dressed in a way that would cause them to be arrested for indecency 50 years ago.

And more to the point -- these women are dressing this way for a reason. The whole underbutt, sideboob trend in clothing is about one thing -- pushing your appearance to the absolute limit of decency. Whether or not they want to see it this way, dressing as so many young women dress these days is as much an attention seeking device as standing in the middle of an intersection with a megaphone.

[–]throw17453 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reasons women complain about wolf whistling / male attention:

  • To covertly signal that she is attractive - desirable. And also as a status thing, she has the power to complain about being deemed attractive, and women will often define themselves on how attractive they are to men. If she's complaining about it to a guy - its a covert "im attractive" and maybe an attempt to cause jealousy. If she's complaining to girls - its a way of establishing status.

The psychology behind this is not far removed from why women will take photo's of things and include themselves in it for no apparent reason. That is because the real reason is "notice me, recognise my attractiveness, validate me.". Bear in mind attractive girls are noticed, advanced on and validated by guys ALL the time - it is so easy to develop a narcissistic sense of self from this - and sense of value that is dependant on looks.

  • For attention, and something to complain about - this one speaks for itself.

  • As a reflection of bitterness. There are whole swaythes of women who will complain about harrassment culture - wolf whistling - sexualisation of women. Yet they themselves get none of it..... and they HATE that there are young attractive desirable women out there who do.

  • Because an unattractive // undesirable guy did it. Remember the rule - when hes valuable, desirable ofc its not harrassment! When he's not its gross, uncomfortable, and no women should have to face it.

And the whole irony, one minute a girl can be getting wolf whistled and it will make her light up, smile... she'll love it secretly (which is true of a lot of things) but 5 hours later she'll be casually (purposefully) dropping into conversation how she was wolf whistled at earlier and how wrong it is that people act that way...

Bear in mind these descriptions are not complete. Some women will genuinely not enjoy being wolf whistled - for whatever reason. And some will be excited and pleased for what they take as a genuine complement. But in the midst of that there is also a hell of a lot of psychological trickery - lies and bullshit going on.

[–]logicalthinker1 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely true.

I work in a lab with mostly girls and they loooooove to "complain" about guys checking them out and complimenting them on their body. And they make sure to tell every single woman they see. They want everyone to know how desirable they are. But if they straight up brag, they'll be seen as boastful. So they have to feign offense.

[–]DaSquariusGreen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And also as a status thing, she has the power to complain about being deemed attractive, and women will often define themselves on how attractive they are to men.

This right here is a great point. It is surprising how much of female psychology, especially the "radical feminist" variety, is based on the idea of male acknowledgement as power.

[–]red_auteur 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What they consider rape culture is the fact that not one single man that they will ever encounter, blue pill or otherwise will ever take them seriously in an intellectual context. The fact that they're perceived as a joke when they try to interject their inane musings in the spheres of Men (i.e. academia, the workforce, etc.) and that we're far more interested about what we can put in their mouths than what comes out of them, well this folks is what they mean by "rape culture." It's their babyish temper tantrum over masculine thought crimes. They don't actually believe that Men have to force their cocks on them. They're just pissed that their natural programming makes them want stiff monster cocks firmly embedded in their puckering little assholes from Men who rightfully deem them children and intellectually inferior. This gentlemen, is "rape culture."

[–]1awalt_cupcake 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

they shame men for what they themselves want. effectively making their boogeyman a reality.

[–]red_auteur 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They want us to respect their ideas in addition to wanting to ravage them like pieces of fuckmeat but unfortunately, per the doing of nature their ideas bear no merit and their orifices are the only utilitarian offering they possess. We didn't make them lactating fuckwits with feet. It's just how it is. This is what they are and only a moron can feign otherwise.

[–]jahozafet 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

1) Asking a woman for consent to sex is universally recognized as the perfect way to ruin the moment, acknowledged by both men and women. 2) Not explicitly asking them for consent (which nobody truly wants and rarely ever does) means that you by default have to take a leap of 'rape' if you're ever planning on having sex since our culture has allowed this term to be redefined and it is now weaponized against men. 3) Feminists have ruined sex for everyone.

[–]tallwheel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"leap of rape". Brilliant. Did you just come up with that?

[–]DaSquariusGreen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is pretty spot on, and a point that so many men miss.

The "rape" is intellectually. It truly is a result of their own nature being at war with itself. On one hand they want to get fucked hard, and treated like 'adults', on they other the realize that they dont have the intellect, character, or physiology to go around masquerading as men (though many try). Thus, they externalize, and cry "rape" (similar to the college coed who has drunk sex the night before, and wakes up, realizes that she got used like a rag, and then wants a petty revenge/to salve your wounded insecurity).

It's actually a pretty tragic result of someone realizing that they are not nearly as valuable and special as they thought.

[–]BurnYourFlag 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You need to stop arguing with people who are not redpilled especially in a public form like facebook. I will give you 2 qoutes/ examples of why its a bad idea. 1. The cave by plato https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm 2. Quote from the matrix cause this is the redpill Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."

"Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."

Dont waste your time on them. You should be concerned with you not them. Keep working game, lifting weights, and working on your career.

[–]Devil-sAdvocate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our general language is not of things we can physically see, but of things we can only grasp in our minds.

[–]trptwerp 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"In pedophile culture, I often catch men in public checking me out with eyes full of lust, until they see the hair on my legs — at which point, they resort to a theatrical display of disgust. " Of course she doesn't shave her legs.

[–]tallwheel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, if she doesn't want men to check her out, at least she is doing a good job of trying not to be attractive. If she doesn't want even the initial attention then maybe she should try growing some facial hair too, or shaving her head.

[–]brinkleybuzz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many of the women who scream about "rape culture" get wet fantasizing about Chad ravaging them.

In "rape culture", the only rapists are unattractive men.

[–]reecewagner 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yyyyyyeah you're not gonna want to present those two diagrams to anyone with more than a high school education, female or male. Zero factual specificity, zero cited sources, zero credibility.

You may very well be correct, but your two google images aren't proving it.

I found your point about neoteny interesting though, and congruent with my experience.

[–]1mojo_juju[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Graph on left:

Source info: http://akarlin.com/2013/04/the-fraud-of-americas-rape-culture/

http://akarlin.com/2013/02/much-ado-about-rape/

National Crime Victimization Survey statistics on rape for 1973-2008 (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. 2009. National Crime Victimization Survey Spreadsheet )

Graph on right:

The global graph is from the "Woman Stats Project" at their data site: http://www.womanstats.org/data.html

The source where I found the graph is here: http://pamelageller.com/2013/07/statistics.html/

[–]reecewagner 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Much better. Those articles flesh out the graphical statements properly, and provide references of their own. Decent resource.

[–]jahozafet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Putting my feminist hat on here . . . will they not argue that it has always been a rape culture, only it used to be way worse than it is now, and that all these graphs really do is correlate the rise of feminism with the reduction of rape culture? Meaning, they would interpret these graphs as justification for feminism? You'd probably be better off conducting a test to see if rocks float than to use graphs with this audience.

[–]InvaluableTool 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Men are attracted by neotenous traits by evolutionary predilection

This is flat out false. There are many sociological influences there, so many so that no study would even ask such a question, let alone answer it.

[–]tallwheel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men are not, as a whole, genetically predisposed to be attracted to neotenous traits? It is self-evident that they are IMO. To claim otherwise is silly. It's consistent across cultures. I'd say there is little doubt it is an instinctual attraction that is propagated by culture. Not the other way around.

[–]Alcibiades_Rex 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it is a combination of the two. While there are many sociological reasons, evolutionarily, consider fertility. A woman's peak years for reproduction are roughly 18-25. After that, it begins to taper off, leading to complications such as down syndrome, etc. So having a young woman is better for fertility. A very young woman, with whom sexual relations would be considered pedophilia, still has not hit her peak fertility, and the man merely must wait, whereas an older woman will never get her youth back, especially in her womb. So if my goal was to generate as many healthy offspring as possible(an evolutionary imperative), it would be best to select the 18-25 yo, then the child, then the older woman.

So being attracted to evolution's second choice isn't surprising, especially with the difficulty males had mating.

[–]strikethrough123 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was waiting for someone to post about this. I especially love the part where it says that because men are attracted to younger looking features on a woman, we're automatically pedophiles because those features are present in toddlers.

He whole thing was such a headache to read.

[–]RealRational 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Figures are from 2011. I bet rape is way worse in Germany and Sweden today than 2011.

[–]maniclurker 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The easiest way to dispel the myth of rape culture is just to ask your buddies how they feel about rape.

"Hey Joe, how do you feel about rape?"

"Rape is bad."

"Agreed. Oh, you agree to, Chris? I guess we're all in consensus here."

The simple fact is, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in the West that thinks rape is acceptable. And everyone I know will have genuine sympathy for actual rape victims.

If we're all against rape, then who the fuck are all of these people generating "rape culture"?

Any of the rest of feminist garbage is them wanting to control what men find attractive. Well fuck you, bitch. You can't tell me what's attractive any more than I can tell you not to get wet for Chad.

In other words, they want to be sloppy bitches, while men have to stay fit and clean.

[–]wutangzus2002 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're's many refugee in the west who think rape is acceptable (yes I am trolling)

[–]Omnibrad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The same people telling you how awful rape culture is are the same ones telling you Islamic slave/rape culture is real feminism.

[–]thetotalpackage7 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't help but to notice that according to your chart, rapes occur at a higher percentage in the "browner/blacker" countries. But, I'm sure your SJW friend could somehow blame that on white, men too.

[–]B_L_Sisko 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imperialism, bro. Brown and black men rape because white men imperialed them.

[–]Anon_namdre 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they would only count them as 3/5 of a rape.

[–]adversaryroman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These comments, nothing short of gold.

[–]chambertlo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a rape culture, it just isn't a Western problem. Most countries that experience a any type rape culture are Muslim majority, such as every country in the Middle East, parts of Africa, and now many parts of Europe. Rape culture does not exist in the West. It does exist in Islamic nations.

[–]Aracnida 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honest question: How did you even get past the second paragraph of the pedophile culture article you posted? The writing was... horrifyingly bad.

[–]Mckallidon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Irony lost or not, pedophile culture is largely comprised of leftists. You can't both be for families and child abuse.

[–]zedest 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Point 2, Capitalism creates trends and social pressures in order to sell products. Historically it has been men doing this.

[–]spacedogg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's the blue line represent?

[–]TaylorSwift_AMA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, I was on fakebook the other day, and up pops some uneducated female hippie's misandrist post.

Get off of Facebook and you wouldn't have to see it.

So, after I logically defeated the arguments of the author

Think harder. No one cares about logic.

[–]ADVICEfromA-Z 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Two diagrams dispelling rape culture via statistics

Great charts that illustrate your point and makes your argument very convincing.

Anytime some dumb cunt mentions "rape culture" now you know the simplest way to slap her upside the brain with some reality.

Does not contribute to your argument, but instead makes you look emotional and unable to control your feelings.

Stick with logic mate, it works better.

[–]1mojo_juju[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Using the words "dumb cunt" and "slap upside the brain" is not ok with me

Ok, Got it. Not that I give a fuck lol :D

Stick with not telling people how to write provocatively, b/c you're shit at persuasion, mate :P

[–]ADVICEfromA-Z 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't need to act hostile towards women by calling them cunts. Your point is better made if you remain cool, calm, collected (stoic).

That's all. Emotions are better left for the other gender.

[–]mjr1234 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rape is still a huge problem in the United States.