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[–]themindset 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am a long term user and poster. Not a new account. Please just step down and let us move on.

[–]BlackFlagged 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since he continues to reject the community's will, I have a possible solution:

https://www.reddit.com/r/metanarchism/comments/63kcmu/possible_solution_to_the_negroyverde_travesty/

The proposal:

From:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/63e486/look_no_further_than_ranarchism_for_proof_that/dfupgjd/

[–]dbzer0 [+3] 2 points 2 hours ago

Anarchobot has no rights

[–]BlackFlagged [S] 1 point 45 minutes ago

since anarchobot is no longer operating as a bot, and it's your account, couldn't you petition the admins to give you (anarchobot) full rights so you can be top mod again, which is what the community wants anyway?

[–]dbzer0 [+3] 2 points 43 minutes ago

If the community wants me to try and do that, sure. I'd wouldn't get my hopes up as long as syncopate is top mod tho, since the admins will just defer to him.

[–]BlackFlagged [S] 1 point a minute ago

sync0pate hasn't posted for 9 months, so all you'd need to do is make a request to the admins and they'll remove him.


Some clarification:

/u/anarchobot is higher than negroyverde on the r/anarchism hierarchy, but is unable to demod negroyverde because anarchobot was intended to be a transparency bot, and thus was never given the permissions needed to demod or ban people from the sub.

For anarchobot to get the needed permissions, a mod higher on the list would have to grant them.

Since the only mod higher on the list is sync0pate, who hasn't been on reddit for close to a year, our only option is for dbzer0 to ask the admins to give anarchobot (dbzer0's other account) full permissions so they become the effective top mod.

The reason I think dbzer0 has proven themselves trustworthy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/63e486/look_no_further_than_ranarchism_for_proof_that/dfurbmx/?context=3

[–]Vindalfr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd support dbzero as top mod.

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (9子コメント)

he's in modchat rn telling someone that meta doesn't exist.

this is some unreal powertripping, damn.

[–]garcondecuisinefuck capitalism tho 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

LMAO THAT WAS ME. Sidenote: I've checked around and 3 months is the prerequisite?

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeah 3 mos activity in r/@ and 10 comments i think is the rule.

[–]necrodisiac| mod | can memes exist without a state? 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With positive karma.

[–]BlackFlagged 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait... someone asked about meta in modmail and negroyverde told them it doesn't exist?

smh

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

he said it had nothing to do with r/anarchism

[–]BlackFlagged 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hah. He'll be claiming r/anarchism has nothing to do with r/anarchism now that the outcry against his behavior has spread here. necrodisiac got near to 500 upvotes when they asked negroyverde to demod himself in the top comment of my thread.

[–]n1x_| cyber-nihilist™ | gender nihilist | @-goth | 2edgy4life ☭ ☠ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where is the chat?

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh just the reddit mod mail

[–]0neTrickPhonyand overly honest utilitarian. 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do us all a favor and bash yourself.

[–]Byzan-Teen 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm gonna be honest friend, I've not really kept up on the drama too close, but from what I have seen, and looked at, and particularly this here post, you don't have half a leg to stand on. Your argument seems to be, if I'm not misreading it, "Yes, the issues people have with me are accurate, but they're not really issues at all. They're good things." There are times when that's a solid stand to take, but it doesn't look like it's going to work here. I'm sorry friend, but I don't think you're much of a representative of this subreddit's policies or its users, and that's the kind of top mod this sub is clamoring for. Feel free to stay, but I'd expect stuff like this to continue to pop up fairly often going forward if you remain.

[–]Komrade_Pupper 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your self righteous beliefs are a spook just as anyone else's. Your actions directly conflict with the idea of autonomy. Let's just call you what you are, Stalin, an authoritarian.

I think you should switch to ancap ideology. You're already using egoism to build up your own walls to separate yourself from the peasants.

[–]Yglorba 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just step down, man. There's nothing to be gained from trying to mod a community that loathes your guts. Move on, find something else to do elsewhere.

[–]arui_ 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm gonna post something long and boring, but I need to say it. It's not eloquent, and I'm sure it sounds stupid, but I feel I need to get it out there, even if no one gives a damn.

I have no access to other radicals in my area, and I have severe social phobia, so the internet is basically it for me. I don't drive, and I'm not rich, so I'm pretty much relegated to the small midwest town I was born in. If it weren't for the internet, I would have probably blown my brains out more than a decade ago.

When I found this place several years ago, I was really happy. Ecstatic. Finally, I thought, I was a part of something. People here cared about the same things I cared about. Other than my immediate family, I live in a complete political wasteland. The only place I know of within 200 miles was a tiny radical bookstore in someone's basement that shut down before I even knew it existed.

I lurked here for a few years, since I was too shy to post, but I felt a part of the community nevertheless. The infighting was fairly frequent, but I always saw it as somehow promising – people deeply invested in the world hashing it out, trying to figure out this whole "compassion" thing. That's what anarchism is to me, fundamentally. Freedom and compassion.

Three or so years ago, I finally screwed up my courage and made an account. I made a few comments, had fun, made a few more, and it snowballed. I learned stuff, I made some friends (and a few enemies), it was a blast. Then I learned about opsec, deleted my account, and started the whole thing over.

I've never met any of you. I almost certainly never will. But I genuinely love you all. In our hyper-cynical society I know it sounds terribly stupid, but I do love compassionate people with all my heart. You all are wonderful people.

Unfortunately that's why I feel I need to leave. I feel that the compassion here is waning. I saw the flippant and cruel response from /u/negroyverde when he was asked to remove the word "b*tch" from a comment, and there wasn't compassion there. I felt the same deep disgust I felt watching Milo Yiannopoulis poking fun at trans folks. There was no debate, there was no reasoning, there was one man laughing because he had all the power, and she had none. It physically sickened me.

I love this place, and it really hurts to leave. I've learned so much from you all. But it'll hurt me more to see what I love disappear from it. I hope I'm wrong, and this place manages to survive with its spirit intact. But I don't think it will.

[–]-skatepunk- 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post. I am honestly also bummed about the infighting that has been happening much more frequently. When this community is unified it feels like we can't be broken, can't be stopped. This has become disheartening.

[–]Anarcho-Throwaway2 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never met any of you. I almost certainly never will. But I genuinely love you all. In our hyper-cynical society I know it sounds terribly stupid, but I do love compassionate people with all my heart. You all are wonderful people.

You're even more of a wonderful person than the rest of us and thank you for sharing, friend :)

[–]BlackFlagged 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We'll all miss you friend <3

Stay healthy.

[–]Until_it_snacks 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (49子コメント)

Dear /u/Negroyverde:

I have read your latest post, and could not be more disappointed. Your refusal to step down despite the will of the community prodding in that direction is disheartening, yet exists as further proof of the necessity of complete transition to another platform.

Your continued subversion of a democratic platform that has existed since before your de facto ownership of r/anarchism is, fundementally, in opposition to what I stand for.

Saying that if we don't like the community and how it is managed, we should leave is incredibly counterproductive. You say you are an egoist, illegalist, insurrectionary Post-Leftist. Well, I am an Egoist, Anarcho-Communist Synthesist. As was clearly demonstrated last week, I am the voice of r/Anarchism's userbase.

Your actions go against everything I stood for and fought for to keep r/Anarchism on Reddit. You are destroying the reasons to keep this platform in existence. You are directly harming the anarchist cause by your actions.

I, fundementally, cannot continue to support a top mod who does not respect the wishes of the userbase. I condemn negroyverde with every fiber of my being, and want them out.

Sincerely, u/Marusama

Bash the Fash.

Agreed. From the /r/@chat.

[–]FuckYeahKropotkin 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As was clearly demonstrated last week, I am the voice of r/Anarchism's userbase.

This is equal parts stupid and creepy.

[–]Until_it_snacks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its a meme.

[–]asdjk482 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what else was a meme? "Trump for President!" Memetic repetition is how thought dies and culture becomes mechanical, employed in the service of inhuman systems of propagation. Fuck meme shit.

[–]asdjk482 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

lol'd hard at "I am the voice of @'s userbase." "LOOK AT ALL MY LABELS AND MOMENTARY FAME! Clearly I am legitimate!"

Nobody is the voice of anything but their own throat. Any pretense or aggrandizement to the contrary is a damned lie.

[–]READ_B4_POSTING 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey look, some fucking Anarchist philosophy, what a god damned concept.

[–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Comrade Maru has spoken

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        [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        0/10 troll again, find your time more productive, negroyverde.

        [–]n1x_| cyber-nihilist™ | gender nihilist | @-goth | 2edgy4life ☭ ☠ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Is this the same place as the modchat?

        [–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        no, the ratchat is an anarchist discord chatroom. i can give you an invite if you'd like.

        [–]n1x_| cyber-nihilist™ | gender nihilist | @-goth | 2edgy4life ☭ ☠ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes pls

        [–]Vindalfr 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You gotta let this one go.

        Step down, move on.

        [–]paradoxicaleu 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        "Democracy doesn't work, so let's be fascists instead"

        [–]FreddyBananas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        oh god I remember this phase

        [–]buttmunchnbutterflys 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Those in positions of "power" (and I hesitate to call it that, since mods here are basically janitors and little else)

        Janitors that can silence people they don't like. You are the language and content lawmakers/cops/judges in this space and while we have to use a site with a minority in that role you do have power.

        [–]FuzzyCatPotato 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (15子コメント)

        I refuse to de-mod myself.

        Call me bold

        I can think of some choice words, but none of them are "bold".

        [–]OrchidVase- kill your gods eat trash be free 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        I think "not an anarchist" does a good enough job.

        [–]cypro-★ anarcho-communist 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Is this satire? I visited this sub for the first time a few days ago, so I don't know any of the history here, but this reads like nothing more than a rant. And ffs, your defense of gendered slurs is pretty pathetic considering this sub literally has a policy contrary to this.

        [–]Copernikepler 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'm kinda sorry you had to see this so soon, but it was inevitable. This is one in a string of hostile takeovers. Unfortunately due to the way reddit is programmed there isn't really much that can be done, at a certain point if a moderator refuses to step down there isn't much that can be done. The moderator above negrshitbag and other mods is also there illegitimately. No one trusts sync0pate, or frankly, a lot of, the mods here.

        [–]cypro-★ anarcho-communist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You'd think this was /r/ML

        *rimshot*

        [–]originalpoopinbutt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ffs it wasn't a gendered slur. He didn't call anyone a bitch, he used the completely benign phrase "up in this bitch."

        [–]OrchidVase- kill your gods eat trash be free 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Seems like your posts are getting downvoted quite a bit, /u/negroyverde.

        How's that for 'democracy', you annoying prick?

        [–]enji-iro| Communisation 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        *grabs popcorn*

        [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        here comes another meltdown

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            [–]enji-iro| Communisation 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Apparently the ultra who decries vanguard mass parties is a tankie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            [–]Healer_of_arms 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            [–]enji-iro| Communisation 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Danke, Genosse.

            [–]FuckYeahKropotkin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            The "ultra" in a Leninist org. You will always be a joke

            [–]enji-iro| Communisation 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            It's almost like the org is big tent with a bunch of Leninists in it (and anarchos, and demsocs), and there's legit no other options for me.

            [–]FuckYeahKropotkin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            the ultra in a broad leftist coalition, because they feel they absolutely must join any organization for some reason - you can't make this up folks. Do you even take communization theory seriously or is it just the latest label? maybe you should revert to being the tankie or anarchist with a crap understanding of anarchism u used to be.

            [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            faraway, a dictator-elect was voted out by his people, refused to step down and he declared 'democracy did not work' then abolish the system to stop injustice he put up in the first place. he then declared his opponents and critics enemy of the state, engage in purges and expand his benevolent authority.

            wait this sounds exactly like this place!

            [–]n1x_| cyber-nihilist™ | gender nihilist | @-goth | 2edgy4life ☭ ☠ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            🚨ALERT🚨

            /u/Negroyverde pls fix the link in your post to https://0ch.org You have it linked to och.org

            Thanks. I'm otherwise going to stay out of the drama in this thread and instead remind everyone about 0chan. Please use it :3

            [–]Cttam| anarcho-communist 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            Some fair criticism of meta in there, which is worth discussing, but otherwise this is a silly tantrum.

            As a side note it's weird how overrepresented individualist, egoist/stirnerite, 'post-left' and nihilist ideas are here (and online generally). They've never been anywhere close to being widely held or a significant portion of the anarchist movement...

            [–]0neTrickPhonyand overly honest utilitarian. 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Mostly "let me do what I want, I hate you so much mom" types, from what I've seen.

            [–]Ayncraps 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            As a side note it's weird and how overrepresented individualist, egoist/stirnerite, 'post-left' and nihilist ideas are here (and online generally). They've never been anywhere close to being widely held or a significant portion of the anarchist movement...

            They don't really fit in anywhere else...

            [–]Cttam| anarcho-communist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm not arguing kick em out or anything, just an observation.

            [–]rechelon| post-left | pro-market | fight nihilism 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            There are large sections of the world where individualist and post-left anarchists are basically the entirety of the anarchist movement. Most of the west coast of North America and a number of countries in Eastern Europe, for example. There are plenty of other places where the scene is mixed.

            Nihilism is a very very recent position in the modern movement, only really surging in the last decade, but it is quite strongly represented in the bay area and greece. I've also encountered many in germany.

            In my experience the british isles, the NE of north america, and south africa tend to be 90% anarcho-communist or anarcho-syndicalist and assume that their local experience is indicative of the movement at large. But even in south america where platformism is big there's a huge post-left insurrectionary presence.

            [–]Cttam| anarcho-communist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            I think you're really overstating the case here. I would more associate what you're talking about with what I'd just describe as a non-syndicalist form of organizing, with greater focus on less 'organizationalist', autonomous collectives and affinity groups, and a higher importance placed on insurrectionism.

            None of that requires accepting Stirners thought or the, in my view, frankly ridiculous (if not incoherent) ideas around morality, ethics, authority, society and civilization that often come along with the other tendencies that I maintain are vastly overrepresented here.

            [–]rechelon| post-left | pro-market | fight nihilism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I mean I'm with you on absolutely despising nihilists and thinking most egoists/stirnerites are scum (although there ARE a number of good ones). But nihilism and egoism are just corners of the post-left, and only recently popular, despite their attempts to represent themselves otherwise. Probably most post-leftists are more in line with Crimethinc or insurrectionary anarchism. As those were what "post-leftism" mostly referred to in the 00s. Crimethinc completely monopolized anarchist representation in a number of eastern european countries after the fall of the Soviet Union. But yeah, unfortunately the nihilist shit has actually gotten rather popular on the west coast.

            [–]jackalw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            but like, despite everything, the fact remains that there is no prescribed, intrinsic narrative to the universe

            [–]rechelon| post-left | pro-market | fight nihilism 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            The word "narrative" is not particularly edifying in this sort of discussion. I'm a moral realist, I think in the most infinite limit minds in this universe/reality likely converge upon certain values ultimately as a consequence of structures introduced by math and physics.

            [–]jackalw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            which is a bunch of eloquent dodging of the is/ought question. Even if you're right, that doesn't mean meaning or morality or self or choice have explanatory power.

            [–]rechelon| post-left | pro-market | fight nihilism 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            [–]jackalw 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            yo i graduated from my alternative high school on a technicality, any way you can state your case in plainspeak?

            [–]rechelon| post-left | pro-market | fight nihilism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm writing something less technical up, but the concepts and arguments involved are not easily reducible to ELI5 language. That is a pretty good intro piece tho if you check the definitions/context I linked.

            [–]slotwuato 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This is a good example of how egoism collapses into authoritarianism. (Fuck what everybody else wants, I'm controlling the board and you can't stop me.)

            You should demod yourself.

            [–]Cheerwellbelligerent 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            lol. of course.

            [–]rechelon| post-left | pro-market | fight nihilism 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Legalistic conceptions of anarchy and existence sicken me.

            Here here!

            Promethean idealism is cancer to me.

            u wot get fucked m8

            [–]GothCD420 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I am a post-leftist, and egoist, an illegalist, and a nihilist, and these wings of anarchism are notoriously heretical (I have even been lambasted as - god forbid! - "controversial"). I have arrived at these positions after many years of Bookchin (and subsequently, alcoholism). It is readily conceivable that in order to allow the more collectivist, moralist wings of anarchism to dominate the online presence of anarchists, I would stand in the way of that project. And I do. Legalistic conceptions of anarchy and existence sicken me. Promethean idealism is cancer to me. Cultish prodding and policing is antithetical to anarchy in my view. And because those elements are present here, I refuse to de-mod myself.

            Is this the anarchist version of "holds up spork!"

            We're all alcoholics you edgy dumbass, it doesn't make you special or tragic.

            [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            that's his usual line. whenever people start egging on him, those lines suddenly come to be the special snowflakes of a derailment. or how he lives a bad life, become his favorite strawmans.

            [–]Edogaa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            tl'dr let's prevent this sub from becoming r/socialism by literally becoming r/socialism and ignoring what the users want. >_>

            [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            r/soc have less drama and more organized than here.

            [–]mypersonnalreader 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I dunno, they ban people for :

            -drawing cat ear on girls/women

            -saying the word "idiot"

            -contradicting the mods

            [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            the catgirl ban was fuck up.

            [–]jackalw 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You remind me of brandon darby. also, now that I know you're atpl, i'm remembering that you think its ok for adults to sexually assault children, because "I was sucking 40 year old men off when I was 13 and I'm fine" yeah you were also writing philosophical articles at 18 you dipshit

            [–]Mangalavid- Unrepentant in devotion to a life of grime 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Talk about tonedeaf

            [–]dbzer0| You're taking reddit far too seriously... 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            mate, is this really the hill you chose to die on? You really think being constantly hounded by this community is worth it just to have this tiny amount of control? Believe me, it's not worth it. You are at the point where you're alienating so many people that you're going to start having people oppose your policies and revert your actions just because they're anarchists and that's what they do. You'll reach the point where nothing you do will stick until you demod everyone else and finally seize all power literally. Is this really what you truly want?

            I've seen many top mods get hounded in this place. It kinda goes with the territory and it's part of the reason why I stepped down just near when you were modded in the first place. The only way to avoid constant conflict with the member of this community is to figure out a way to work via community mandates, i.e. via anarchist principles. This is what met@ is trying to achieve. Is it perfect? Obviously not, but it's surely better than hierarchical leadership, innit?

            Think this situation through. What is the endgame here?

            [–]hipstergarrus| synthesis anarchist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What a fucking joke

            [–]0TOYOT0 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I haven't kept up with this stuff much, and I agree that the whole "up in this bitch" thing is nonsense, but you do not seem to be representing the users of this sub in any way, whether the users are right or wrong. And furthermore, you smugly deflect any criticism, no matter how valid or reasonable.

            [–]kerne1_pan1ccrypto-anarchist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            tl;dr meta is shit, if you don't like /r/@, then go to [these](www.raddit.me) [sites](www.0ch.org/) or talk to people afk, those trying to demod me are new maoist drama-posting trolls, if I wasn't a mod then /r/@ would fall apart, and "I refuse to de-mod myself". Also rant.

            [–]BashTheAltRightthe conquest of bricks -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            also ratchat.

            [–]Ecoterrorism& egoist-nihilist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            I'm on mobile and in a hurry so I just have to say --

            This witch hunt is ridiculous. The individualist post-left needs a voice on r/anarchism and I would be pretty pissed if negroyverde was forced to step down over nothing. Meta hardly represents r/anarchism's population.

            Also it's far from being a fascist to refuse to step down over bullshit meta drama.

            [–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            we have like 3 other PLA mods

            [–]mypersonnalreader 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Who are they?

            [–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Me missy and yoda are all pla iirc

            [–]BlackFlagged 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            And deathpigeonx.

            [–]aragornoBut supporter of antifa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            and limitexperience and hamjam5

            [–]Ecoterrorism& egoist-nihilist -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Still don't see a real reason to get rid of a good, pretty-active one. Meh.

            [–]interestingtofu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I support /u/negroyverde because they are just following what the rest of metanarchism does which is ignore votes and procedure. Why should they be made to follow the rules, when it's clear as daylight that the people who are attacking them on meta have zero regard for them and are only claiming to do so because they are ideologically opposed to negroyverde?

            I was banned from meta for no other reason than saying that people need to follow rules, and it wasn't negroyverde that did it.

            There is a group in meta that don't give a shit about following procedure and the attempt to attack negroyverde is 100% politically motivated. Same as the attack on /u/hamjam5, who the trolls of meta abused and abused through gaslight attacks until HJ lashed out and then they immediately went on the defensive claiming that hamjam was the problem.

            There is a group of meta users who are actively trying to make this sub about their anarchism, which is random violence and banning anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%. NEGROYVERDE and HAMJAM are the two mods who are standing up to these people. Don't be fooled by these people who are claiming that they just want mods to follow rules, because as soon as NYV and HJ are gone they will start deleting and banning en masse with no transparency.

            [–]Yglorba 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Like I said, a glance at the response and discussion here makes it clear that they're loathed by most of the sub. Nothing else matters; if their commitment to anarchism has any meaning, they need to step down immediately.

            I can understand how it might be tempting to say that someone who agrees with you deserves to cling to power by whatever means they can, but they're not doing any good here - given how widely-loathed they seem to be, the only thing they can accomplish by trying to act like they have any authority or influence here at all is to run /r/anarchism into the ground.

            [–]Ecoterrorism& egoist-nihilist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Loathed by most of the sub"? Maybe loathed by several angry posters on this thread, but is that our idea of democracy? Most of the sub is just following the emotional drama. What about those of us who think this whole thing is a witch hunt? Are our opinions non-existent just because there's a lot of mob anger over... nothing? This is the tyranny of majoritarian democracy. If we're aiming for consensus democracy, it's clear that even in this thread alone there is no consensus on the situation.

            People asking for a step-down have, IMO, yet to present real complaints aside from the minor use of a slur. The impression I get is that negroyverde refused to step down over meta bullshit (which is fine by me because meta IS bullshit), and then other people heard, started calling them a fascist, and also started calling for a step-down because everyone gets caught up in drama without asking -- why? I see no real justification for this.

            [–]originalpoopinbutt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Thank you so much! This is the truth right here!

            [–]-AllIsVanity- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            You're fighting against the current. Not many people are fully aware of the true story here and of the toxicity of Met@, and not many people are going to waste an hour researching it to see if you're in the right. It's all rash downvoting and circlejerking because the main line of thought here is "tl;dr, but Met@ is supposed to be democratic even though I know nothing about it, and as an anarchist I have to be biased against the top-hierarch." Of course, the actual tyranny lies in Met@ itself.

            [–]cypro-★ anarcho-communist 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            As someone who first visited this sub a few days ago, I don't really have any idealistic conception of met@--a sub which I am not even a member of--and really my opinion here has just been informed by the evidence provided in yesterday's post, and then this juvenile response post and comments, which come off more as a bratty child trolling than as a meaningful response to concerns.

            [–]negroyverde/u/all-the-post-leftist[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Thank you for being lucid and aware of the whole story.

            [–]BlackFlagged 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            None of you r/AO mods can be described as 'lucid' with a straight face.

            [–][削除されました]  (4子コメント)

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              [–]negroyverde/u/all-the-post-leftist[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              I have no access anymore.

              [–]-AllIsVanity- -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Whoops, I deleted my comment (because I wanted to rewrite it) just after /u/Negroyverde replied. This is what it said:

              Do you have any plans or intentions with regards to Met@? Or are you just gonna sit around and collect downvotes by posting theses about it?

              You don't need access -- you can just make it obsolete. All you need is Sync0pate on your side -- i.e. a nice letter explaining the whole situation with evidence, which others would be willing to help you to write. Then you can work with others to figure out a new "constitution" that won't facilitate drama and trolls.

              Yeah, you'll get a torrent of harassment and downvotes along the way, but it's too late, you can't fight the circlejerk -- if only you had done the work earlier.

              [–]LucyParsonsRocks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Go back to r/anarchismonline and stop pretending you're a member of this community PK. It's fucking gross how you think you have any say over what happens in our community when you spend all day attacking it on r/drama.

              The only reason you're even here is because your authoritarian little friend there unbanned you.

              [–]negroyverde/u/all-the-post-leftist[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yeah, that's all quite true. I will strategize. Luckily I have a lot of time this week.

              [–]jackalw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              nah, i'm pretty sure everyone involved is a fucking asshole

              [–]0q548di 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I've been around for a few months on this account. Fuck your pompous bullshit, respect the overwhelming vote and step down.

              [–]justcallcollect -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Fuck the haters, stay bold nv

              [–]BlackFlagged 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Authoritarianism ftw amiright??

              [–]killthecopinyourBIOS -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              There seems to be a lot of brigading in this topic. Can we get a warning tag?

              [–]negroyverde/u/all-the-post-leftist[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              yes

              [–]SapiTim -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I don't entirely agree with you, but I think everything you're saying is completely fine. I don't agree at all with the butthurt thought vomit posters here are throwing at you. Nobody has to represent any odd but themselves. As it happens you're not that far off from my thinking, but that's honestly irrelevant. I am able to represent myself. I have no ownership over this forum. You have no ownership of this forum. We agree that each should speak for and support themselves. Anarchism has always been a workers movement, not a "lad" club. I support you. Do you need any help that I can offer?

              [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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                [–]Cheestake -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                When has anarchy "turned into" something? Every attempt has been destroyed by outside forces.